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 Roy Moore won a primary vote on Tuesday for his old job.
March 14th, 2012
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'10 commandments judge' Roy Moore poised to return to Alabama Supreme CourtBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor (CNN)–Roy Moore, the former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice made famous by a Ten Commandments monument, is one step closer to getting his old job back. Moore won 50.14% of the vote on Tuesday in the Republican primary for the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court. Moore appears to have narrowly avoided a runoff by capturing more than 50% of Republican voters. The state Republican Party has a week to certify the vote but Moore and his campaign are proceeding as if there will not be a runoff. "We need leadership in the legal branch," Moore told CNN by phone after fielding congratulatory calls from local officials. Moore held the job of Chief Justice from 2001 to 2003 but was forced out when he defied a federal order to remove a 2.6 ton stone monument of the Ten Commandments he had placed at the courthouse. CNN's Belief Blog – all the faith angles to the day's top stories U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson ordered Moore to remove the monument, saying at the time it constituted an endorsement of religion thus violating the First Amendment. In November 2003, the 9-member Alabama judicial ethics panel voted unanimously to remove Moore from office. The ethics panel said they made their decision because Moore had put himself above the law by "willfully and publicly" flouting the order to remove the monument from the state judicial building's rotunda. "I was removed by a judicial panel, not the judge who made the order," Moore noted on Wednesday, saying he was never held in contempt by the judge who made the order nor had any recourse for appeal and called the ethics panel a "tribunal." Moore's case became a rallying point for Christians who felt under sedge by legal system they said was bent on the removal of God from the public square. "God has chosen this time and this place so we can save our country and save our courts for our children," Moore said at the height of the controversy. Today, Moore maintains the monument's placement was constitutionally appropriate. "There's nothing in the first amendment that prohibits the display of religious objects," he said. But Moore said if he wins in the general election, don't expect to see monument return to the judicial building. "I don't have any intention of bringing the monument because that will confuse the issue," he said. At issue for him is the acknowledgement of God and he added, "I will continue to acknowledge the sovereignty of God." In Alabama, Supreme Court Justices are publicly elected and serve six-year terms. There are no term limits, but there is an age limit. In the primary Moore beat out sitting Chief Justice Charles Malone and Circuit Court Judge Charlie Graddick. Moore said he and his wife rode their horses on Tuesday to their polling place. They were able to tie the horses to a tree when they went in to cast their ballot. Moore said he relished the chance for a ride in the country after spending the last eight weeks on the road campaigning and it "saved gas anyway." Moore will face off against Democrat Harry Lyon, a lawyer from Pelham, Alabama in the general election in November.
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So I guess Fuddruckers and Ruby Tuesday are relegated to the NIT..errr...NIB tnranumeot this year huh? Oh well, serves them right, all they had to do was win their conference tnranumeot 😉
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Now, which of these commandments is offensive?
The void left by removing 10 commandments has already opened the door for satanic cults to pollute and infiltrate.
Like the Satanic Cult of the Republican Money Jesus
I've lived in Alabama my whole life.
This nut cannot be put back in power. The sheer amount of delusion that he and people who vote for him hold is unfathomable. Moore and the Christian Right constantly scream that their freedom of speech is under attack. This is clearly not true, based on the fact that I can't go to get a pack of cigarettes without seeing three churches. I really don't want to have to have a repeat of this "OH LOOK AT ME I'M A POOR OPPRESSED CHRISTIAN" crap.
Feel free to move away, you idiot!!
"...unfathomable..." is okay. Some of us 'born-again' Christians can't 'fathom' cigarettes... "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; that which is born of the Spirit is spirit"... CPT Roy G. Moore was my commanding officer in Vietnam in the 504th MP Bn, 188 MP Co. at Camp David Land, near DaNang over 40 years ago and single-handedly apprehended a buddy of mine who had just tried to kill the 1SG. All 7 of my wonderful grandchildren live in Alabama. Their parents learned the Ten Commandments by heart. "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye Must Be Born Again."
why dose one side get so angry about what others believes
NORTHERN I think you do not know the meaning of myth as used on some Bible stories. Also since you are ready to offer your intellectual opinion on the matter. If I say Freud was promoting Christianity after reading his book does that mean he didn't write clearly enough or I am wrong. Get serious!
Nii Nii The Stupid Guy does not know anything. He is brain dead and should learn to keep his dishonest opinions in his own country...garbage picking TARD!! America does not need the opinion of Nii...it is not a 3rd world country like Ghana!
I'm a bit confused. TruthPREVAILS aka ... Do u think 3rd World Country is an insult or a description. If it is an insult then it rolls of GH's back since as at 2008 it is no longer described as such. Also u r not making any sense as America's principal ally is Ghana South of the Sahara.
Nii: What exactly are you accusing me of? I happen to be educated enough to know that Ghana is not a 3rd world country and would not speak such stupid garbage! Making as.sumptions only does one thing...it makes you look like the complete ASS we already know you to be! I use one alias and one only...unlike christards I don't need many aliases to get my point across. However the person going by "..." has a valid point and you have proven it by making this as.sumption! Before you accuse someone of something be sure to get your facts correct loser!
No, you are just a horses rear end when you make statements believing that only one side uses aliases and makes assumptions. So many of us come in with the assumptions that all Atheist believe one way and all Faithful believe another. Mostly because our groups are so defined by the loudest amongst us that when a person states that they are a member of either group the image of Bill Mahar, a Bin Laden or a Pat Roberston instantly comes to mind.
To Nii
"Which religion one we may ask? Atheism?"
Please advise how and in what way the wars you note are caused by non belivers.
The wars you speak of are the result of the despotic leaders you name and are no different than those recently deposed in the middle east.
History s repleat however with wars and civil strife caused by religion.
The crusades and the reformation come to mind.....not to mention the current wars you take part in the the middle east in which the US is considered the infidile....it is a "holy war" for the Taliban.
Please adivse the last time you recall a person tortured on the rack or had the head severed for failing to belive that there are no gods.
"If I say Freud was promoting Christianity after reading his book does that mean he didn't write clearly enough or I am wrong.!"
The faullt lies not in the author.....but in the reader.
The man holds up the Ten C's and yet does not keep them. I am amazed at the number of people who had yard signs stting theat they stood for the Ten Commandments, yet try to forget the one that says "Remember..." ! Or want to toss them out, all together as "nailed to the cross". If that is how they feel, what is the big deal all about? If, as many Christians, Jews and even Muslims believe, they are carved on stone by the very finger of God, and no other writings of such character were commited to stone by Him, then it follows that these Commandments are to be permanent and binding, not temporary. If they were to be temporary, why would just one be obsolteted? If they are permenant, why ingore one or say it has changed, when God is changeless with "no shadow of turning"?
I know that you lovely atheists are going to berate me and that is fine, howl, if you like. "Spiritual things are spiritualy understood." "The wisdom of God is foolishness to the world and the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God." I proud to be a fool, in your eyes, for God. Many atheists say we are dangerous, yet I submit that we have preserved society by being salt and light. Mankind has made many blunders and Christians have been at the heart of many of those, yet true adherance to Christ has softened the harshness of the evil you may not wish to admit exists. History, if you really study it, shows that if the Roman empire had not collapsed and the "Christian era" arrived, we likely would have decended into an extremely violent society and would be nowhere near where we are today. True, in many cases the church held back progress, but were we really ready for that progress in that time? Don't know, perhaps not! We will never know for this is where we are. Let us keep moving, together, agreeing to disagree.
"we likely would have decended into an extremely violent society and would be nowhere near where we are today."
And just what is the root of most of the violence and chaos today....RELIGION.....backward thinking people with bronze age gods and symbols.
Yes Yes ....just think of where we could be if all the.... "tme"..... spent on the worship od imaginary dieties .....was spent on a cure for cancer , heart disease and the "education of the young ....and a cure for war......but no your gods are more important than the human race.
NORTHERN I sincerely believe here that by your definition the Nepalese, Colombian, Angolan, Burmese, Vietnamese, Chinese, Cambodian, etc civil wars were caused by religion. Which religion one we may ask? Atheism? Thank you for giving us proof as to why when we are eradicating religion we must add it
@Northern light: If we were to take the time spent on religious things and put them to secular things, then we would have to take into account for the extra time to build more efficient means of killing people, more drugs to make us "fly" better, more ways to get away with doing what society does not want us to do. Its always a balance. You get good with evil.
Prayer really changes things !
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!!~~~~~
Prayer can cure baldness.
Proven.
"Prayer can cure baldness.
Proven."
You've been proven a LIAR over and over again on this blog. It's been proven prayer doesn't work it's why Christians were sent to jail when prayers did cure their children but modern medicine would have.
You are replying to a name thief, one of your own kind and we are greatly amused that you are not smart enough to figure it out. Praise God
Religion is not heallthy and should be kept away from the young ...lest it infect their minds......with the myth of creationism.
The most unhealthy religion is atheism which decieves its followers into thinking it is not a religion. It also does not offer a viable path to emotional maturity. Most atheists are irrational but claim to be rational which is a symptom of delusion at least. They are also extremely paranoid too.
Nii Nii the stupid guy...if he was not so stupid he would know that ATHEISM is not defined as religion but he is too stupid to believe anything based in reality. WHAT A RETARD!!! Stay in your own country you stupid foreigner...America does not need your type!
Prayer changes nothing, why is the world in the shape it is if prayer could easily change it. Live right and be civil that is the only way!
To Nii
You seem to need some education in definitions.
"Atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.
Get over it. ........ Athiests do not have a religion....we have no holy books or hyms do not attend a building to pray to anyone.....we have no sppecial days (except Earth Day) .....and on Sunday we do what all senseible people should do in with their time in summer ......we play golf.
By successfully getting the 10 commandments out from schools etc. what did you exactly achieve ????
You just opened the door for an alternate culture to step in, whose negative repercussions only the future generations will unfortunately experience 🙁
We have already had the experience of religion ....The Inquisition...The Salem witch trials......The forced conversion off native peoples throughtout the Americas to the christian faith......oh and the priests who like to play with alter boys......
I do not belive there has ever been an athiest inquisition or people burned at the stake for not being am athiest.
How many years before the hatred being spread here turns into crimes against humanity? Which party will be responsible next? It is oh so easy to hide behind a religion when comitting a crime cause the criminal just says God made me do it. god becomes the scapegoat for a crime an individual or group of individuals decides to commit. How will the ideals you put forth be any different.
Years from now when someone decides to use Athiests as the scapegoat what will you do???? Will you look back and say hey I tried to be civil or I tried to stop the hatred before it escalated into uncontrollable proportions or I tried to find a way to coincide? Or will you look back and find I encouraged the hatred with my eye for an eye mentality. But hey, at least I WON the argument.
Inquisition n Salem? How many were killed. Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, these names strike terror in the heart of their people to this day. Every religion can be used for good or evil even atheism. Just love your neighbor as yourself n forget religious arguments.
Nii Nii The STUPID Guy...this is America, not Ghana...stay the out of American business...business you know nothing about you stupid dumb a$$ 3rd world country fore.igner...you prove your stupidity daily. You are a liar!
Doc there were over five Councils of Nicea so which one are u talking about. The Old Testament Canon was determined in Jamnia by Jews(which included CHRISTIANS). The New Testament Canon did not proscribe the other writing either. The fact that they were preserved by Christians attest to this fact.
Negative Christianity is what we Christians accept as Christianity. Are u ok now? If we accept ur definition Moslems especially Amaddhiya Moslems will be Christian.
I obivously missed part of an earlier conversation. But after reading your post:
GODPOT I was posting this but I had a bad connection. I accept Musollini, Pinochet, Mobutu, Bokasa, Napoleon Bonaparte, Frederick the Great as Christians but reject Joseph Konny and Hitler for the same reason. Their doctrine is not Christian. They use it as a pretext nothing else.
I understand what you are saying. But once again, it is a moot argument. Arguing whether or not Hitler was a Christian proves nothing about the validity of Christianity.
Lunchbreaker I am not on an evangelism mission here. U asked me something I answered u. I did not come to prove that Christianity is best to u.
Nii Nii The stupid guy is a stupid uneducated person...he can't spell and should not be allowed to freely use a computer until he can. Dumb a$$ foreigner without a brain!
Shown by articles of the Code of Alabama:
13A-6-70: (c) A person is deemed incapable of consent if he is: (1) Less than 16 years old...
13A-6-67 : (a) A person commits the crime of se ual abuse in the second degree if: ...
(2) He, being 19 years old or older, subjects another person to se ual contact who is less than 16 years old, but more than 12 years old.
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My god they are a bunch of drippy drooly knuckle dragger down there,
No wonder they lost the war..slow and stupid
Roy Moore should never be allowed to be judge again. What he did was wrong.
Separation of church and state!
Religion is a private matter and we have to treat it as such.
Perhaps you can find employment with CNN. Try the "Out of Context/ Misquotes Department". Be sure and copy/paste your posts to your resume. The fact that you are at odds with most of the country shouldn't hamper your chances. In fact, they may never notice.
Only for the newbies:
Dear Citizens of Alabama,
Suggested billboards for Birmingham and Mobile:
SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY.
Details available upon request-
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Since reality seems important to you, Reality, who's going to pay for your billboards. Those aren't free. Traffic counts, production fees, etc. Those creative guys can be more expensive than the lease of space - or is that you? LOL. I'd love to see the details just to see how far you really live from reality. HTH
March, 2010
"The atheist group American Atheists has raised enough money to start spreading the word — not to be confused with "The Word" — about atheism. Billboards declaring that God is "a myth" will go up in Muslim and Jewish communities in New York."
November 29, 2010, 8:00 am
For the Holidays, an Atheism Billboard
Among the many advertisements lining Interstate 495 in New Jersey en route to the Lincoln Tunnel is a new one promoting atheism for the holidays rather than another gift.
It is very difficult to have intelligent discourse with people who belive:
-you can walk on water
– change water into wine
– heal the sick thru non medical intervention
– make one loaf of bread into one than one loaf of bread
– become alive once you have been exicuted
– sincerely belive in the tooth fairy and Santa
– think there is an invisible man in the sky watching waht billions of people do....he must have a huge staff ...imagine the future pension costs
Agree, couldn't be more right!
Mirosal the problem here is that most atheists on this board are so ignorant of the usefulness of our mythology and others that they make Christianity look like the better of the two.
I enjoy Greek and Norse mythology. However I do not enjoy "scientific" atheist myths like "believers are stupid, atheists r smart" the theory of evolution of viruses, Hitler was a Christian, God is evil and above all God does not exist because evil does". I also keep answering the same questions.
Quote by Hitler:
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."
Quote from Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
“Forgiving is not forgetting; its actually remembering–remembering and not using your right to hit back. Its a second chance for a new beginning. And the remembering part is particularly important. Especially if you don't want to repeat what happened.”
As an atheist I just love to the Ten Commandments and the Two Great Commandments n attending Church and hate atheism. Wow doesn't that make me the greatest atheist alive. Politicians r the least trustworthy when it comes to public statements, remember Bill "Lewinsky" Clinton. Hitler is the ultimate
Hitler's " I'm a Christian" is like atheists looking at "In God we Trust" n swearing it is a secular motto or looking at the Scales of Justice n the Angel of Justice oblivious of their Judaeo-Christian symbolism. An atheist, MIROSAL I believe, disambiguated Hitler's religion not me here.
Hitler's "I am a Christian" is a direct quote. Nothing ambiguous about that. But either way it doesn't matter, there are horrible people of every belief system. And just because a horrible person is of a certain belief does not disprove that belief. Look at 2 statements: Hitler was a Christian, therefore Christianity is false. and: Hitler was an athiest, therefore there is a God. Neither of these statements are logically valid.
LUNCHBREAKER It really does get old trying to express an intellectual opinion over n over again. How does Hitler like Christ n hate his Jewishness? An Aryan Christ is not the Jewish Messiah is he? Look there are a lot of material u caan review. A blogpost only carries so much. Read more.
So to sum up your position Nii, anyone who proclaims they are Christian but does bad things means they are not Christian and should be called atheists and anyone who says they are Christian and does good things is really a Christian, and anyone who doesn't profess a belief in Christ but does good things is still evil because they haven't accepted Christ as their savior. Yes?
GODPOT I was posting this but I had a bad connection. I accept Musollini, Pinochet, Mobutu, Bokasa, Napoleon Bonaparte, Frederick the Great as Christians but reject Joseph Konny and Hitler for the same reason. Their doctrine is not Christian. They use it as a pretext nothing else.
I even accept that de Boers who promoted arpatheid r mostly Christians. I also accept that the trans-Atlantic Slave Trade was perpetrated mostly by Xtians n so was WWI n de 100yrs War. I'm being strict about de definition of Christian however. Bill Clinton is Xtian too. He was a politicians x'ter eg
GODPOT I'm not Evangelical. I don't believe u r saved by professing Christ. U r saved by loving your neighbor as yourself no matter what u profess. To quote Christ,"Not all who call me Lord shall enter my Kingdom but those who do my Father's will". I take flak from some evangelicals but its biblical
There is a lot of material available, such as: Positive Christianity (German: Positives Christentum) was a movement within Nazi Germany which blended ideas of racial purity with Christian doctrine. It was adopted as part of the official party doctrine at the NSDAP congress in 1920 to express a worldview which was Christian, non-confessional, vigorously opposed to the spirit of "Jewish Materialism", and oriented to the principle of voluntary association of those with a common racial-ethnic background.[1]
LUNCHBREAKER Christianity is negative. Negative Christianity is Christianity. That is what I have been telling u all along. Moslems and Bah'ais and Scientologists and a host of others are not Christians for the same reason though they claim.
Hitler cud have remained an AGNOSTIC or DEIST Roman Catholic. He cud have joined the Dutch Reformed Church. He however chose to form his own religion adapted from Christianity but essentially his own. This is what we are talking about. There have been worse Christian leaders than him.
Lunchbreaker
My my but you seem so poorly informed about your "faith"
This Jesus Christ....the son of a mythical god........"was a Jew"......there were no christians until after his death...you religious folk are so ill informed on most of the really inportant topcs......mostly reality.
To Nii
"Mirosal the problem here is that most atheists on this board are so ignorant of the usefulness of our mythology and others that they make Christianity look like the better of the two.
Cannot let this pass!!!!
What possible good do myths play in society apart from that of entertaining children ....who are too young and lack the intellectual capacity to separate fact from fiction. Fairy stoies are nice....but they are still fairy stories.
I leave it to one of the greatest minds of all time who wrote.....Quote:
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."
In Nigeria you will now be wondering which will reach you first Boko Haram or Abdul next door. Its best to respect others or at least fear them. Its not like Holland where u want to be killed for votes like Van Goph. Obama is likely to win.
Nii Nii The Stupid Guy...Nigeria much like Ghana is a 3rd world country and thus has no meaning. Get off this blog you stupid foreigner...you have no place in American business.
There is no other god but God and Rick Santorum is his Prophet.
What about the Greek and Norse gods....don't they count??...
What about the gods of the Maya and Aztec people?
Hey and what about Angelina Jolie....she is at leasat a goddess?
You mean his "profit" after all he is financed by the ridiculous evil Koch Family
Prayer Changes things .
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for a day
Teach a man to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime
Give a man religion and he will starve to death praying for a fish
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!! .........
The only thing it changes is the amount of time you wasted that day doing something that has no bearing on reality.
Prayer never ever works
Proven
"Prayer never ever works
Proven"
That's why there are Christians in jail because their prayer didn't work for saving their child. LOL!
Prayer changes things
Proven .
Prayer did not change anything for the Jewish people in the camps in WW2.
Prayer,faith and by the testimony of it did indeed change things in the camps of WW II . Faith and prayer often meant the difference between life and death.
To ....An inconvenient truth
"Prayer,faith and by the testimony of it did indeed change things in the camps of WW II . Faith and prayer often meant the difference between life and death."
Maybe for a very very few .......did the 6 million who did die not pray properly ...or maybe t the wrong god???
The translation of the Bible does not automatically mean it is wrong. I read the Didache, Homer, Archimedes, The Three Musketeers and The Monkey King as translations and transliterations. Does it mean I picked and chose what I like?
@Nii
Translation problems primarly are an issue for biblical literalists.
If one believes that every word is 100% true and accurate, then the words selected in the translation process become of paramount importance!
For example, in researching 1 Corinthians 6:9, I found 11 different translations of the words "ar.senkotai" and "malakoi". For one who bases all their morality on the Bible, those two words can determine whether to be ho.mophobic or not.
Just look at Andrew Schlafly's "Conservative Bible". It is his opinion that Jesus is too much of a commie in the King James, so he removed words like "comrade". He even deleted whole pa.ssages like the story of the adulteress in the Gospel of John in which Jesus declares "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" and Jesus's prayer on the cross, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing"since, according to Schlafly, "the simple fact is that some of the persecutors of Jesus did know what they were doing. This quotation is a favorite of liberals but should not appear in a conservative Bible".
Doc it is unfortunate but as I wrote on a previous page interpretation is not right. Translate even transliterate but don't interprete which is what the "Conservative" Bible seems to have done. The Benjamin Franklin Bible n The Harmony of the Gospel n others. But all these r technically not Bibles.
Growing up I had the opportunity to read the My Book of Bible Stories and a Gideon's Bible. The Gideon's Bible is a Bible. The other is an interpretation. Even Christians don't know the difference at times. There are lots of Bibles so do well to check them out. My favorite is The Living Bible.
Doc Vestibule
@Nii
Translation problems primarly are an issue for biblical literalists.
If one believes that every word is 100% true and accurate, then the words selected in the translation process become of paramount importance!
For example, in researching 1 Corinthians 6:9, I found 11 different translations of the words "ar.senkotai" and "malakoi". For one who bases all their morality on the Bible, those two words can determine whether to be ho.mophobic or not.
Just look at Andrew Schlafly's "Conservative Bible". It is his opinion that Jesus is too much of a commie in the King James, so he removed words like "comrade". He even deleted whole pa.ssages like the story of the adulteress in the Gospel of John in which Jesus declares "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" and Jesus's prayer on the cross, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing"since, according to Schlafly, "the simple fact is that some of the persecutors of Jesus did know what they were doing. This quotation is a favorite of liberals but should not appear in a conservative Bible".
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What he did is no different than what the Council fo Nicea did when they created "The word of God"...no??? Men decided and wrote what they thought the word of god was....present christians faith is based on this ..is it not?
@Cap'n Sayin Atheism Isn't an Angry Pervert
You are correct sir.
Unless you understand ancient Hebrew and Greek, your bible is an imperfect translation – making literal interpretation useless and absurd.
For the Corinthians passage I mentioned, 11 different translations of the Bible gave 11 different flavours/definitions for "malakoi". Until the Reformation in the 16th century and in Roman Catholicism until the 20th century, malakoi was thought to mean "mas.turb.ators." Only in the 20th century has it been understood as a reference to hom.ose.xuality.
So should Christians hate gays becuase the bible condemns it?
'Twould seem it all depends on which translation one is reading.
I cannot and will not deny that the Bible has great insight into human nature, especially when put in the proper historical and cultural contexts. What it is NOT is the inerrant, ineffable "Word of God".
The OT is an apocyphal history of the Semitic people and the NT is a morality tale – mythologized historical fiction.
Just as Beowulf gives us a glimpse at the mores and morals of the ancient, pre-christian Anglo-Saxon culture, so do the books of Bible give us insight into ancient middle eastern cultures.
But just as there are no Grendels in real life, there are no cosmic carpenter zombies. You simply can't take those stories as literal, historical truth.
Doc there were five Councils of Nicea so which one are u guys talking about. Also the OT Canon was determined by the Jews at Jamnia. The NT was by Ireneaus not by a Council. They did not proscribe the non-canonical books. These were preserved by Xtians too. No more atheist myths.
After reading several of the posts on the "interpretation of mythical texts into a book called the bible"
one is left to wonder how a being who is supposed to have created the universe would permit what is often referred to as "his inerrant words".......to get so screwed up.....you would think he/she/it would have been keeping a close eye on a book that he/she/it wanted to have in print for .....mass distribution......it is not not a womder the bible is messed up the way it is....it is a "human" construct......only humans could mess a book up that badly......gods do nor make mistakes.....except for Rick Santorum
The Law was given to show that man was incapable of keeping the law and was in need of someone to cover our sin.
as an atheist, you face a different "problem of evil" than that faced by Christians. The problem for us Christians is to reconcile the existence of evil with the concept of a benevolent God, which is easily accomplished by positing that God has a morally satisfactory reason for allowing evil.
Your problem is less easily resolved. You must explain why you think some acts are objectively evil in the context of a godless universe that offers no grounds to establish a distinction between good and evil.
That is the strangest thing. How do atheist claim ethics when they refuse to acknowledge those same ethics in anybody else. If every believer is evil how did u determine that?
Nii: Who is saying all believers are evil?
And I read here somewhere that God was evil? Under what pretense? Judeo Christian Law? Quite funny ; )
Sam if u have not read it here b4 let me give you an examples
"Science builds planes, religion flies them into buildings"
"If religion is proscribed then the Earth will become peaceful"
"Believers lie to defend Scriptures"
"Abrahamic God is evil". What will his followers be?
If you stop looking at it as good vs. evil, and start looking at it as right vs. wrong it becomes a lot easier to understand the atheist’s position.
There are as many Christian persectives as Christians. How do we aggregate it? By using the most popular. Same stick for aatheists. Good vs Evil works just fine.
MarcTTF, typical atheist answer. Stealing Jesus' wisdom, changing the wording, claiming it as your own concept. Come out of the closet atheists ... and admit you are God's children.
HS, why can't YOU admit that you're gullible and have fallen for the same myths that have plagued humans since the species evolved? Yes, I said evolved, NOT "created". You'll readily admit that Zeus, Apollo, Odin, Thor, Isis, Osiris, and the like, are ALL myths, right? Why won't you admit that your 'god' is no different and is also a myth?
Nii Nii The Stupid Guy...This is not Ghana...stay out of America's business. You are full of sh!t! There's your sign!
“Stealing Jesus' wisdom, changing the wording, claiming it as your own concept”
Well that’s an ironic claim seeing as half of the Christian belief system was taken from other earlier religions.
" Your problem is less easily resolved. You must explain why you think some acts are objectively evil in the context of a godless universe that offers no grounds to establish a distinction between good and evil."
Some of us do the right thing, simply because it is the right thing to do. We need no threat of death or eternal torture from a magical sky-daddy in order to do the right thing.
It boils down to not doing something if it violates the rights of another.
You also said, " And I read here somewhere that God was evil? Under what pretense? Judeo Christian Law?"
Wouldn't a god who admits to creating evil, have to be evil? Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
>>>”Some of us do the right thing, simply because it is the right thing to do. We need no threat of death or eternal torture from a magical sky-daddy in order to do the right thing.”
Wonk, I just finished my midterms and slowly tuning down but I read your post and had a question. If we go by your premise that “Some of us do the right thing because it is the right thing” and those of Faith because we are threatened, then why have we not acted more on the prescribed punishments that are threatened and demanded by God?
Your statement appears to want it both ways, if we do good acts because of a fear of God, would more or equal amount of us do bad acts because of a fear of God as well?
HeavenSent
MarcTTF, typical atheist answer. Stealing Jesus' wisdom, changing the wording, claiming it as your own concept. Come out of the closet atheists ... and admit you are God's children.
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What do you base this upon????????????? Writings of men 1000's of years pas tthe alleged time? or a council of men who dictated what "god's word" is??