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 Tim Tebow will now be "Tebowing" for the New York Jets.
March 21st, 2012
02:28 PM ET
Denver Christians mourn Tebow’s departure, say they’ll root from afarBy Dan Merica, CNN (CNN) – When star quarterback Peyton Manning signed with the Denver Broncos this week, Denver pastor Jim Mackey signed at the thought that Tim Tebow probably wouldn’t be wearing Broncos blue and orange next season. The Broncos don’t need two star quarterbacks and the New York Jets announced Wednesday that Tebow is now theirs. “It was a topic of conversation last night,” Mackey said in a phone interview Wednesday, describing Tuesday night services at his Next Level Church. “It is an emotional thing and a bit more emotional for people who have connected with Tebow’s expression of faith,” Mackey said. “Rather than just a QB controversy, which is not unique in the NFL, this does seem to have hit more of a personal nerve for those in the Christian community.” Mackey’s church meets Tuesday nights, not Sunday mornings, because Mackey believes Sunday is a day for people to do Colorado things – skiing, hiking and Broncos games. Tebow, who helped turn the bottom-dwelling Broncos into a playoff team last year, transcended sports with his overt professions of faith and his late game heroics, which led some to believe that God was on the young quarterback’s side. CNN's Belief Blog – all the faith angles to the day's top stories Throughout the season, Tebow’s jersey was flying off the racks and “Tebowing” – the act of getting down on one knee and praying while everyone around you does something else – became to be an internet meme and widely recognized symbol. Tebow quickly became the public face of FRS Company and Jockey; for months, it was hard to click on ESPN without hearing his name. “Tim Tebow seems to have won the hearts of not only football fans in Denver but the people here at large,” said Rob Brendle, pastor at the evangelical Denver United Church. “One of the most exciting aspects of last season was that casual sports fans and those who aren’t even interested in football, like my wife, became captivated by the influence of Tim Tebow.” “Around the water cooler and in church, there is sadness at the likelihood of his departure,” Brendle said, a few hours before the Jets announcement. Though Tebow cashed in with endorsements, he also lent his face and celebrity to causes he believed in, many in the Denver area. Like many players, Tebow invited individual fans to his games. In his last game with the Broncos, a playoff face-off with quarterback Tom Brady and the New England Patriots, Tebow hugged Kelly Faughnan, a 22-yard old female who had been diagnosed with a brain tumor and whom the Tebow Foundation had invited to the game. Brendle said that Tebow showed that you can be both good at sports and good at giving back. “It is hard not to cheer for the Christian kid,” Brendle said. Jim Daly, president of the Colorado Springs-based evangelical group Focus on the Family, teamed up with Tebow for antiabortion Super Bowl ad last year. The spot illustrated how comfortable Tebow is trumpeting his Christian beliefs, even on a polarizing issue. “I think there is going to be this period of mourning for Tim Tebow’s departure,” Daly said. “I think that that affection that people have for Tebow goes well beyond Denver and his ability to play football.” Daly says Focus still hopes to work with Tebow in the future. “Regardless of where he is, he is a national celebrity and it would be great to work with him again – even if he is in New York,” Daly said. Matthew Ware, Executive and Worship Pastor at Victory Church in Denver, said Tebow fans were hoping for the quarterback to stay local even after the Manning announcement. “I think most people were hoping for a "both/and" instead of an "either/or" situation,” Ware said. “We love the idea that perhaps Manning could ‘disciple’ Tebow into greatness in the next few years.” Many believers in Denver will now have to balance being a Broncos fan with rooting for a New York-based Tebow. “Tebowmania has a magnetism and loyalty that's undeniable,” Ware said. “While most people will ultimately support their home team, once in a while a player comes along that wins your heart. Tebow is that kind of player. He'll have Denver fans no matter where he plays.” soundoff (1,423 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 Next »
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"For all men shall see that in the end of days, our righteous Father shall cast out of His kingdom those who put greed and pride before Him. And they shall wail and cry out in agony because of their sins against the Father." Baloneyans 2:69
See, it's not really any Bible verse...just wanted to show how easy it is for a mortal human to write flowery crap, as has been done by mortal humans for thousands of years during the editing, translating and embellishing of a cultural piece of literature that has eventually come to be known as the Bible. They are all Baloneyans.
You are a fool.... May God have mercy on you and open your eyes before it's too late.
Ps 118:8 - Better to trust in God than man.
Open any Bible to the middle and this is what you find. Very interesting huh?
BRW11, that same book says you're not supposed to judge people. You just called someone else a fool, thereby judging them. I'll save you a seat in "hell", right beside Tebow.
Oh, by the way, BRW11...Matthew 5:22 says do not call someone a fool. Buy yourself a bag of marshmallows, and find some long sticks.
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."
Feelin' warm yet, BRW?
BRW11 "Better to trust in God than man."
The odd thing is, though, you (all) can get your "God" to say just about anything that you want 'him' to say.
BRW11...or is it BR549?.....Don't wish upon me salvation...I went to Catholic grade school for 8 years, Catholic high school for 4 years then Catholic college....I've had more religious studies in my lifetime than your extended family...so it's not for lack of exposure that I quit believing the crap you still believe from childhood. I pity, you, actually. All the time you wasted when you could have expanded your mind thru more secular studies.
You're right, almost anyone can write flowery baloney sayings - as you demonstrated. But how many can foretell that the Messiah would be born in a small town called Bethlehem 500 years before the fact (Micah 5:2), foresee 750 years in advance that this same Messiah would then grow up and live in despised Galillee (Isaiah 9:1,2) His hands and feet will be pierced and his bones put out of joint as he is hung up and people will cast lots for his clothes (Psalm 22:14-18 1,000 years before it happened) that he would be rejected and executed as a criminal for our sakes and that after he was dead, a rich man would come and put him in his grave to spare him a criminal's buriel (Isaiah 53 - 750 years before Christ). Now don't tell me anyone can do that, because I have done extensive research of other so-called "holy books" (Qur'an, Baghavad Gita/Veden - even Nostradamus) and there is nothing to compare with it.
In a previous post you asked me to explain how Noah could have constructed the Ark on his own (if you take some time to read the story, you'll find he wasn't alone on the construction.) It also wasn't for every living organism, only a pair of every air-breathing species. Actually some very highly decorated scientists/zoologists have done their homework on that and have confirmed it is indeed feasible. But here is a question for you: can you explain to me how scores of cultures scattered all over the globe - from the jungles of the Amazon to Siberia, from Australia to China and Africa and the Middle East –and they all have correlating indigenous accounts of a worldwide flood in which one family was spared by God. How do these widely isolated people groups come up with a similar account? I see that as evidence that the global flood was indeed a historical event.
"Actually some very highly decorated scientists/zoologists have done their homework on that and have confirmed it is indeed feasible"
Not one credible scientist has ever done that.
"can you explain to me how scores of cultures scattered all over the globe – from the jungles of the Amazon to Siberia, from Australia to China and Africa and the Middle East –and they all have correlating indigenous accounts of a worldwide flood in which one family was spared by God"
Another blatant lie. There are countless cultures all over the globe that do not include the flood myth.
Any scientist worth a rats butt will ask one simple question. Where did the water come from, and where did it go.
The "great flood" is an environmental impossibility.
roccop777: "But how many can foretell that the Messiah would be born in a small town called Bethlehem 500 years before the fact... etc. etc."
Don't you think that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul (and all who wrote under those names), and even Jesus himself, if he existed, read or knew about those old-time 'prophecies'?! There is no verified evidence, outside of their biased writings, that any of these things were 'fulfilled'.
To Derp - mockery is cheap and easy - providing substantive evidence takes more time. John Woodmorappe spent seven years compiling detailed evidence and models to demonstrate the credibility of the descriptions of the ark and its capacity for holding animal species and published them in his book Noah’s Ark: a Feasibility Study Try considering this research before mocking.
Secondly you doubted the claim that scores of widely scattered and isolated cultures have correlating reports of a global flood. In the Funk and Wagnall’s 1950 Dictionary of Folklore, Mythology and Legend it was stated under the heading ‘Deluge or Flood’: “A world cataclysm during which the earth was inundated or submerged by water: a concept found in almost every mythology in the world.
It is their opinion that these are just legends - but they simply dodge the question (as you do as well) how Aztecs, Australian Aboriginals, American Indians, Scandinavians, Eskimos, Egyptians, various Mesopotamian cultures, to just name a few of the literally hundreds of cases, who have correlating accounts of a worldwide flood in their history.
To Bizarre - Even if they knew about the prophecies (however, from their own accounts, they were shocked that Jesus fulfilled the ones about his crucifixtion and even tried to prevent it) - C'mon do you really think that Jesus would willfully get himself crucified and then instruct his disciples to pin all their hopes on his resurrection three days later? Also, who would willfully write prophecies foretelling that their hero would be rejected and executed like a criminal. This is not the script humans would write, even if they could.
Oh, and the prophecies about the promised Messiah being crucified, with his hands and feet being pierced were foretold 1,000 years (Psalm 22), 750 years (Isaiah 53) and 450 years (Zechariah 12:10) before it happened. All these descriptions of crucifixtion were made long before the syro-phoenicians concocted this method of execution and the Romans observed it and adopted it for their use. It would be like someone in the middle ages describing execution by the electric chair.
If it is so easy to fake such prophecies, why weren't the other so-called holy books of man-made religions able to duplicate such prophecies? I mean, it has been a very successful recipe. Have you ever thought that perhaps the eternal, timeless God is trying reveal His plan in a unique, supernatural way.
He's not a "christian". If he was, he'd know hos "bible" says he's not supposed to "pray" in public.
His, that is. Oops.
That is so far from the truth... please elaborate?
No, it's dead on. Matthew 6:6. Or is your "god" wrong?
correct, ...according to Matthew 5:5-6 Tebow is a hypocrite...of course the bible is just totalitarian crap for theists, so pray on Tebow, you're gonna need it...your mentality is only gonna get you killed in the NFL
Where'd ya go, BRW? Can't handle the fact that atheists know more about your myth than you do?
When's he gonna come out?
I wonder how many pastors would remain Tebow fans if he came out supporting gay/human rights?
What a sad group of posters today. So much anger, and so much to vent on. America has become a mess of whiners and gripers.
I'm not sure what your post is whing and griping about.
Colorado across the board mourns Tebow's exit. A Denver news station's poll asked "Are you less of a Bronco fan now that Tebow's been traded"–73% yes. Tebow' unique–he brought a spark, energy, determination and relevance to a 6-21 team and led them to a playoff win his first 14 games in the NFL. Tebow's a glass completely full kind of guy, and he'll be great without the Broncos–the Broncos without Tebow? Not so much.
I'm in Colorado and could care less about the guy, especially since he is a Christian nutjob. Poof goes your 'across the board'.
So Sue says she "could care less" about Tebow, so she must care somewhat for him now.
😉
"and he'll be great without the Broncos–the Broncos without Tebow? Not so much"
He will have to be better without the Broncos. It is not possible for him to be any worse. He was DEAD LAST in the league in completion percentage and DEAD LAST in passing yards per game. The Broncos offense scored LESS points with Tebow as QB than they did with Orten. good thing the defense stepped up in the second half of the season or the whole season would have looked like that playoff debacle in NE.
The Broncos just dumped the worst passer in the NFL for one of the all time greatest. Nice move Denver.
I am glad to see him gone as are most football fans I know. A 48% (?) completion rate isn't a solid foundation for an NFL team.
I just think it would be funny if he went to the Jets, started hanging around with Cromartie and turned into a DBAG like Cromartie.
You're assuming he's not already a d-bag...he might be, we just haven't caught him with his hand in the cookie jar just yet.
If Tebow performance is a sign of divine inspiration than God is only 47.3% effective at the most basic tasks...in other words when God intervenes your chances of a successful intervention are less than you would have if you flipped a coin.
And...Peyton Manning, who's success is not attributed to divine intervention by his fans, has a 2 in 3 chance of a beneficial outcome at the most basic task required of QBs. With god...less than a coin flip...without god...2 in 3 chance.
Or maybe God doesn't care about football as much as these people think.
don't confuse the morron believers with facts..tis unfair and cruel
See thats kind of a bad comparison. Statistics show that turnover ratio and interception rate is a better indication of success than a completion percentage. The games that he won, he did not turn the ball over.
On a related side note, Tebow intentionally grounds balls that he thinks could be intercepted. While his completion percentage is low, if he doesnt throw interceptions (and doesnt fumble), he wins.
pray for him to get cut – because he sucks!
why are they mourning? did he die?....stupid
How STUPID does somebody have to be to think God cares about football? What a bunch of idiots.
I love all of these nutjobs can't even follow the 10 commandments and yet they claim to be above everyone else–THOU SHALT NOT WORSHIP FALSE IDOLS (tebow). Sort of like the conservatives ignore "Thou shalt not kill", apparently it's okay when convenient (wars, executions, etc.).
God cares about everything thats the Point! He cares about us and what we care about and important stuff too 🙂
rebecca: 16000 kids die a day because of hunger and god cares about football?
As long as he helps the Jets make it to the Playoffs, I don't care if he's kneeling to Jesus or Allah or Ronald McDonald.
Is this Rex Ryan?
"Jesus or Allah or Ronald McDonald"
All of them are equally real, and praying to any one of the three has the exact same outcome.
Actually Ronald McDonald is real. The other two, not so much.
ELWAY.......YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!@!!
Elway solved his biggest problem. He got rid of one of the most polarizing Football players in a generation. And dim Tim is a lousy player anyway.
I agree. What does Elway know about winning football games? With Tebow's prayers nothing could have stopped the Broncos. God doesn't have time to feed the thousands of people that will die of starvation; he's got games to win.
Yeah what an idiot. He traded the worst passer in the NFL for a guy who already has a spot in Canton. What a dummy.
Well CNN, let's bring attention again to something you feel will be divisive. You report on something like this because you know it will draw Christians out to defend him, opposition to bash him. Can you actually report a story without sensationalizing it? Accept your role in instigating problems like this because you focus your attention and news articles on what you think will get the most views/ attention.
I truly wish there was an unbiased news source.
That being said, I've never heard Tebow attack anyone because they don't agree with his views. Isn't it weird that you who disagree with him don't show the same kind of understanding? Just observations. I believe in God but that doesn't mean I will force it upon you. I try to live with my focus on my relationship with God, not others. If my example draws someone to my faith, great. If someone asks, I will tell my beliefs. If they don't agree, that is ok too. I don't condemn or hate them because of it. I live life focusing on my actions- who am I to judge others when I have enough to handle? Even people who don't believe in God should ask themselves that question.
"If someone asks, I will tell my beliefs"
I'm interested. Always have been in what reasons people give for their beliefs. Would you share yours?
Tebow was hired to play football, not proselytize. So let him play football and stop all the silly "god talk".
Because you've asked "Sailor" ( people typically only ask after they've come to know me personally. I feel uncomfortable making this discussion forum a platform for my beliefs when my true intentions were not that at all. But if I don't come back with my beliefs, I'm either a coward or ignorant. There is no right reaction to this proposition. )
I believe in God with my heart, soul, and mind. I believe in loving others as I love myself.
I am sure I will be mocked for this and I accept that. At the same time, I feel you've put me on the spot to explain in order to make fun of me. Do you make fun of someone because they are atheist? Or if they believe in Buddha? If they are Jewish?
The same certainty I allow you to have (that my beliefs are wrong) can not be allowed on my own "personal" beliefs?
My point exactly. Why must CNN focus there coverage on something as pointless as this? Oh, because it is controversial. Popularity or sensationalism has taken over factual, informative reporting. Instead of informing us of events around the world, lets focus on one QB beliefs because it gets attention. Statistics aren't important, he "Tebowed" ___ times in the last game. His completion rate, win/loss record, etc. isn't important because he believes in God and is vocal about it. Now sit back and watch the fighting ensue.
Beth,
I find it difficult to "ridicule" an atheist because an atheist is someone who does not believe in god and their reasons are sound. But the atheists I know would quickly change that lack of belief in the face of evidence.
Most believers I have talked to find it difficult to lay out their reasons. You have offered to give yours (I apologoize if I put you on the spot, but you did offer).
I'll leave it there if you still feel uncomfortable.
"Do you make fun of someone because they are atheist?"
No, because atheists don't believe in sill myths.
"Or if they believe in Buddha? If they are Jewish?"
Yes, because they believe in silly myths.
Sailor, I apologize. You are right, I did offer. I mean this the most sincerely- I typically only feel comfortable explaining my beliefs in person, usually one on one. After someone has know me for sometime, enough to become a friend. And ONLY if they've asked why I believe in God. I am not perfect, I make lots of mistakes. My life isn't the best example for others to follow. But I try. I don't vocalize first, act later. I try to let my actions speak. Which is totally contradicting what I am doing now. I have to get back to work and I'm not sure why I felt compelled to focus so much attention on this conversation today, I guess because I am tired of the media reporting on others beliefs (not just Christianity) because it is polarizing. It has pushed me into disagreements I didn't intend on starting because I am upset that others feel it necessary to tell me I'm wrong. Like I said, its cool if you think I'm wrong. If you're an atheist, I don't pass judgement on you. That's not my focus.
I believe without proof. (I await the references to believing the world is flat, Santa, or space slugs.) I know that its crazy based on typical rationalization(scientific proof) but despite that, I still believe.
Beth,
I understand all you are saying and the courage it must take to attempt to "bare it all" in fromt of strangers. I'll leave you with one thought though.
It can be very exhilirating to begin to look at the universe from a different angle.
The word "Christian" is being misused in this context. Christian covers a lot of territory, much of it unaware that Tim Tebow even exists. For one part of Christendom to assume they speak for all of it is colossal arrogance.
For anyone to assume there is a god is colossal ignorance.
Tebow: A good Christian and as a player...sucks!
More like Satan Manning!
Yes!
Tebow is a good quarterback. Jesus is our Savior. There is a God. One only needs to be paying attention and thinking a bit to determine all of these statements are ridiculous.
Science builds modern jet planes.
Religion flies them into buildings.
Don't go telling me who my savior is!
Who says religious people aren't arrogant.
You determine what is "ridiculous" based on what you believe. Wow, to not be a christian- you sure are judgmental.
Beth- Maybe in the fantasy world in your head all beliefs are equally valid, but in the REAL world it isn't unreasonable OR judgmental to expect people to have GOOD reasons for their most sacred beliefs. But I am sure you feel like a super awesome person coddling someone who believes giant space slugs will invade the earth by the end of the week.
To solidify your point that I'm crazy for what I believe, you suggest space slugs? Creative. Jumping to that extreme certainly proves your point. Congrats.
I didn't say that all beliefs are valid. I simply stated each person should be allowed the right to believe as they choose. I didn't realize it was your job to dictate others beliefs as correct or incorrect. It must be an immense responsibility.
"To solidify your point that I'm crazy for what I believe, you suggest space slugs? Creative. Jumping to that extreme certainly proves your point."
Please explain how giant space slugs are any more extreme than talking snakes, magic apples, walking dead people, immaculate conceptions and sky wizards.
In fact, if you look at it objectively, a giant space slug is far more believable that the christian myths.
Aren't we missing the real story here? I agree with the author, "...once in a while a player comes along that wins your heart." With 14 years in the league, eleven Pro Bowl selections, four league MVP awards, a Super Bowl ring, and character in spades, Peyton Manning is that player. Nothing against Tebow, but Peyton is an icon, both personally and professionally. This Broncos fan couldn't be happier.
Couldn't have said it better myself...
In the Bible Jesus declares that God knows how many hairs are on our heads, concerned about a single sparrow - if that seems preposterous to you, then consider that when astrophysicists look through their telescopes, they discover an amazing order in the universe - and when molecular biologists look in to their microscopes they find the same amazing order in the nano-world as well. So it does indeed appear that the Creator is not oblivious to the details, no matter how small or large they are. Many of you have stated that you don't believe in a Creator/God - okay, then you must believe in Almighty Chance - that with enough time, through random, undirected processes, order can arise out of chaos. Now I personally find such a concept baseless, because all that I can observe complex order and organization only result from intelligent planning.
But back to Tebow - if this God is not indifferent about details, no matter how large or small - then I'm sure He is interested in how one does his job - even if that job is professional football. Is he fair and honest, a good, self-less teammate and role model, especially for young people who try to imitate their sports heros? Does this person use his position to encourage people who are less fortunate - like people struggling with life threatening illness - and remind them they are precious no matter what their performance level is. Yes I think, that God is interested in the character of His people, no matter what job they do– but not so concerned about the scoreboard or rankings of a particular team. In this respect, yes I think that God does care about football - and what Tebow has done in Denver and what he will do wherever he goes.
You are looking through colored glasses and seeing what you want.
just so you know, the bible was written and edited by a bunch of fallible human beings over a long period of time. Those are not the words of god, but the words of men trying to manipulate the masses.
Please tell me why and how your god made the Patriots beat the Broncos in last years Playoff ? I lost $50 because your god interfered with a fair and square contest between mortals.
Please....tell us the story about a guy named Noah who, by himself, build an ark 300 cubits by 90 cubits, and 2 of every known micro-organism on earth came aboard when God got angry and flooded "the whole world" killing innocents including the unborn in the womb, and we are all descendents of this one man, Noah. Is that the intelligent design you are referring to?
I don't believe in almighty chance, as you put it, or your god. I believe in physics which is very ordered and helps created order in a chaotic system such as the universe, which was likely very chaotic when it began. Physics says your god cannot exist, it also explains why things are as they currently are. Educate yourself in the sciences with an open mind to see how your god cannot exist.
roccop: why does a creator have to be a being that judges human interaction?
roccop: 16000 kids a day die from starvation. it is arrogant to think that this creator cares about a football game
People who blindly believe the many-times translated and re-interpreted writings and myths of ancient Middle Easterners are mentally ill.
Amen !!! T hank God He has blessed me with the knowledge of Him,and removed the blinders from my eyes....I used to be blind,but,now I see!!!..I pray all of you doubters will be touched by HIM.......otherwise,soon,you will be eternally separated from his blessings.........that would be sad.Please,seek the real truth.I did , and I am so,so happy,that I did........PRAISE THE LIVING GOD,AND MARANATHA !!
Maybe the great sky daddy should pay some more attention to one of those little things like Tebow's throwing motion. He had the worst completion percentage in the league. God needs to work on that one a bit.
Don't cry, Denver "christians". Who knows, maybe Peyton will take up some aggrandized, empty religiosic gesture that Jesus told his followers SPECIFICALLY NOT TO DO.
He could stand on his head with a bible taped to the bottom of each shoe.
And run in place while upside down. Kind of like an upside down foot bible windmill.