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More Americans say too much religion in politics
March 21st, 2012
05:06 PM ET

More Americans say too much religion in politics

By Kevin Liptak, CNN

(CNN) – For the first time since 2001, a plurality Americans say there is too much religious talk from politicians, according to a new survey released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.

The poll showed 38% of Americans saying there was too much religious expression from politicians, compared to 30% who said there was too little. Twenty-five percent said the current level of religious rhetoric was the right amount.

Those figures represent a shift from 2010, when more Americans (37%) said there was too little talk of faith compared to those who said there was too much (29%).

Wednesday's survey was the first time since 2001 the figure for Americans believing there is too much religious talk in politics has surpassed the number who say there is too little.

Read the full story on CNN's Political Ticker.
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: 2012 Election • Church and state • Politics

soundoff (332 Responses)
  1. closet atheist

    William Demuth by a landslide!!

    March 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
  2. thomas mc

    It's odd, how Baptists now want the Pope to decide matters of religious freedom in America!

    March 22, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
  3. Pipe-Dreamer

    To those of U who say God is not male, consider U this,,,,, If God is not a male He would be a GODDESS and not called a God,,, Stupid thinkin is stinkin thinkin

    March 22, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Yeah, just like female actors are called .... oh, wait.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      What's the matter Nonimus,,, afraid to call a Goddess a Goddess and and actress an actress? Is your mind so full of idiosynchronicities? So sad, so saddening,,, 😦

      March 22, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • sue

      God is not. Period.

      March 22, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Pipe-Dreamer,
      In the unlikely event that there is a supernatural being, I have no problem with it being a female god, i.e. goddess. In fact, I'd likely prefer it, but that another discussion.
      My point was that an argument that God is male, simply because otherwise we would use the phrase Goddess, is specious on its face, a semantic circle of logic.

      p.s. You'd better take another hit from the pipe; your post was almost completely clear and understandable..

      March 22, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      Why couldn't God be as.exu.al?

      March 22, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Amused

      Lunchbreak – "Why couldn't God be as.exu.al?" Impossible. God was created in the image of man! That is why God is so petty, jealous, spiteful and self-serving! No actual omniscient being would care if they were worshipped or not! Only man is so self-absorbed that he would assume that an all-knowing being would care in the least about being "worshipped" by lowly humans.
      How silly.

      March 22, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
  4. Myrna

    For the people who don't believe, or are having fun mocking God I have something
    to say.
    You won't have anything to say , when your time comes and you see him face to face. Nothing.

    March 22, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Nonimus

      True, because it almost certainly won't happen.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Well Myrna, once you finally die I hope you are a Virgin, so Allah can give you to a suicide bomber.

      Otherwise, it wont go well for you!

      March 22, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      Sitting someday upon the Judgement Seat in front of Godliness, you will be asked one question and that question is, "Where do you say the Kingdom of God is?" If one cannot answer this one simple question, then I feel sorrow for your outcome. If on the otherhand you answer it correctly then, you will be given a part and parcel of the Kingdom of God.

      Where then is the Kingdom of God located?

      March 22, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • jimtanker

      I would have plenty to say, such as:

      Why do you think that it is fair to punish someone for eternity for a finite crime? Isn’t that kind of unjust for a supposedly just god?

      Why do you say that we can’t got to heaven unless we believe and then don’t leave any evidence that you exist? Isn’t that kind of petty for a supposedly loving god?

      March 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by Myrna is a form of the flawed argument known as Pascal's Wager.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      March 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • sam

      Myrna, are we going to the lake of fire?

      March 22, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ Myrna – What you are doing is invoking Pascal's Wager. But this was refuted years ago. You assume it is a one-off situation – your god vs no god. But in reality it is 10,000 gods vs each other vs no god. If it is any other version of any other god, than the one you pick, then you are in the same boat as everyone else.

      March 22, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Pipe-dreamer wrote, "Sitting someday upon the Judgement Seat in front of Godliness, you will be asked one question and that question is, "Where do you say the Kingdom of God is?" "

      If this is true, then your heaven will be empty. We all know that women cannot read a road-map. And we all know that men refuse to ask for directions.

      March 22, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      @ Primewonk,,,,

      Mat 6:33 tells all readers to seek 1st the Kingdom of God and in my seeking thru the Bible I have found a truth which is found in Luk 17:21 stating that the Kingdom of God is inside us all and with understanding the mustard seed parable via the act of s3x does the Kingdoms of the Gods take shape and form. It is also written that we are together with God laborers even though God and His subjects inhabit our bodies which are said to be but BUILDING FOR & BY GOD as said in 1Cr 3:9. It doesn't take a scientist to understand such things but it does take an openness to see the truth in scripture's teachings

      March 22, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • Amused

      Pipedrivel – "Where then is the Kingdom of God located?" The answer is simple. In your imagination!

      March 22, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
  5. Pipe-Dreamer

    Religion itself is a politicied augmentation of rationed superlatives. To rid political assentions of religiocities will never happen. For the politically engendered clairvoyances' diatribunalists, keeping politicied secularism awashed in religious diversionisms is but a key to offset and make patterned altruisms the mainstay of cow-patty-like bargainings. 🙂

    March 22, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
  6. Jan

    Sorry but politics and religion are two separate subjects. When did religion ever come to play in politics. Really? Leave religion out of politics and where it belongs in the church and at home! I wouldn't vote for one person because he's a good Christian...define what makes him a better person than someone who doesn't believe? Nothing...you are taught morals and values when growing up, you don't need religion to instill this in you over and over again.

    March 22, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • closet atheist

      Come on, Jan... everybody knows that religion has a lock on morals. No faith = no morals.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Sir Craig

      closet atheist: You left off the </snark> in your post-people might take you seriously otherwise.

      March 22, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Who says closets don't exist?

      March 22, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
  7. Pipe-Dreamer

    Primewonk,,,

    Your slant on engendership(s) is shallow at best. Creation itself is the feminine gender and God the Holy Spirit is the Nothingness wherewith Creation is separated by. Even within the scalar atomic cosmos; space is infinitely abundant. There is way more space within a human body than there is matter. This being said, can you Primewonk foresee and proclaim your perception(s) as to just exactly why you want to re-arrange the male/female consecratives regarding Nothingness and Creationisms?

    March 22, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • derf

      From another perspective: the male gender is complete with regard to information for creation. The female gender is not. A reflection of this is found in we who were created in God's image. We have a Y chromosome. Women do not.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      Of course in order to be consider male, generally one has a certain appendage. If God is not a material being with chromosomes and "appendages", gender wouldn't apply.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • momoya

      @lunchbreaker

      Gender is determined by the presence of one or the other se.xual organs; however, "s3x is a social construction.. Maybe in god's peer group he acts more like the males of our species than the females of our species..

      March 22, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • False Dichotomy

      Sorry, I think you got that backwards. S.ex is biological, gender is socially constructed.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      derf theoretical physics can only derive commentaries awashing in more questionings. Physics has many branches of assumptives whereby many are left awashed and begging to be considered and/or constrained. I for one, believe in there being universes within the very fabrisciousness of what we know of a "atomic mattter". Any Life form and I mean ANY is made up of cellulrized commodities I call miniature universes. Our celestial universe is but one universe amid a Grand Cosmos of untold amounts of Celestial Universes.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • momoya

      Thanks False Dichotomy.. You are correct.. I typed faster than I thought it through.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Elias

      If you could expand an atom to the size of a football field and stand inside there would be nothing but light and sound and perhaps strings of light and sound hold this universe together. But this dimension of time and space, cause and effect cannot be the home of the Soul. The Soul may be here to see this show of life and has forgot its true home, trapped in the web of action and reaction of mind stuff mischeif and bodily desires. The trick is to get back to the highest dimension whence we came, the place where the lords will surged and order came out of chaos. This place is pretty much an illusion controlled by terrestrial Gods that like us in their playground. The way out is in, it's all esoteric. You may need to find a living Master to take hold of your strings. Not easy.

      March 22, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      Elias,,,,

      If one could expand an atom to the size of a stellar nebula the only difference would be orbital velocities

      March 22, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Wow – the BATSHlT crazy nutter woo is strong with these ones.

      March 22, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Pipe-Dreamer,
      "If one could expand an atom to the size of a stellar nebula the only difference would be orbital velocities"
      ... and the number of particle, amount of energy, dark matter, dark energy, values of nuclear-strong, -weak, electromagnetic forces and gravity.

      Other than that... I'm sure you're right.

      March 22, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      @ Nonimus

      Please explain to me the following web-site,,,,, http://www3.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw/menu.html

      March 22, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
  8. Bible just a theory

    The beer companies DEFINITELY want religion – especially the Mormon religion – OUT of politics. On the other hand, there is so much booze consumed in UTAH that if you divided the number of gallons of beer per year just by the number of NON-mormons, then every one of them would be drunk 24 hours a day! Thank god there are so many heretics and apostates in the world!!

    March 22, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Al

      Bible just a theory

      No offense there, buddy, but the Bible is nothing like a theory. Theories, at least the good ones, actually account for evidence. Your name suggests that the Bible is on the same par as scientific theory, and that's just not the case.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I have a relative that used to care for the daughter of a former ambassador of Saudi Arabia.

      While caring for her, she realized the little girls was tipsy.

      After an investigation, she discovered a ginger ale bottle in the fridge actually had champagne in it.

      She was told that in the future "Ginger Ale" was only for the adults.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
  9. Pipe-Dreamer

    Does GOD really need to be a Light in the illumination proximities around political witch-hunts? Isn't there enough dough being passed around and winding up in otherly places to become a fixation of social concern? GOD the Father of Creation Itself needs no socialized interminglings upon the political arenas of civility's namesakes. As a firm believer in Creation, I would rather see the political avenues remain a purity far away from any GOD-orientated perplexism. It is so very rude of politicians gussying along the tales of religious sanctimonies. Spare religions' hijacking by insecure political wranglers please!

    March 22, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Primewonk

      I have never understood why god is the father of creation. Shouldn't god be the mother of creation – giving birth to the universe? Wouldn't a father of the universe just spew out a godly amount of holy, sacred sperm, that became everything?

      March 22, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • William Demuth

      Prime

      Religions are Paternal because they were created by men as a tool to subjugate

      March 22, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • GodPot

      God must be male to have ejaculated the big bang into being... I mean that does require a penis right? Banging? And i'm sure he also has a beard (though why humans still need bears is unclear let alone a spirit creature) which must be long and white as well (apparently God isn't powerful enough to ward off age related melanin loss) or maybe he's just dealing with some male pattern baldness...

      March 22, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Primewonk

      godPot wrote, " God must be male to have ejaculated the big bang into being... "

      This must be the reason the Catholics are so anti-con.dom?

      March 22, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  10. David

    Funny how the right loves war in the name of God but rarely fights it and leaves it to the less fortunate of our society to fight as usual

    March 22, 2012 at 11:23 am |
  11. JEN

    HAVE YOU NOTICE EVERY YEAR, RELIGIOUS GROUPS NEVER MENTION THEIR GOD WHEN THEY LOST A RACE OR CAMPAIGN. HOW SAD IS THAT.THEY PRAY AND PRAY AND STILL GOT THEIR BUTT KICK.THE ONLY ONE THAT WON IS THE CHURCHES BANK ACCOUNT

    March 22, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • Ramshackle Underground

      Yes, God lost three of the last five elections, and the two he won brought us two wars (one of which was unjust), torture, a concentration camp,illegal wiretapping of Americans, suspension of habeas corpus, a stacked Supreme Court full of right-wing activist judges, the Plame scandal, the White House e-mail scandal, the Lawyergate scandals (ever notice how there have been no scandals under Obama?), the Yellowcake scandal, the Abramoff scandal, a massive increase in spending and debt, an economic implosion, and a massive bailout of the corporations that caused it (which conservatives STILL are trying to blame on Obama).

      God just isn't very good at politics, and America is the worse for it when he gains control.

      March 22, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • Reality

      Obama says he is a praying Christian so apparently his prayers are being answered.

      Then there is this observation:

      Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

      Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, Newton Leroy Gingrich, Ron Paul or Rick Santorum, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

      The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

      2008 Presidential popular vote results:

      69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

      And the irony:

      And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

      The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

      i.e. If the Pill and male condoms were used properly, abortion would not be an issue and Obama would not be president.

      March 22, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
  12. David

    I believe in God. I also believe that God does not favor any country, political party, candidate, church, or sports team.

    March 22, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • William Demuth

      But does he prefer Coke or Pepsi?

      March 22, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Observer

      Does He always choose the lesser of two weevils?

      March 22, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Sports Fan

      Clearly god hates the Miami Dolphins.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  13. Reality

    All the religious talk you will ever need:

    ONLY for the newcomers:

    • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    March 22, 2012 at 11:08 am |
  14. William Demuth

    Any politician that claims the Bible supersedes our laws is just a redneck Talibani, and needs to be sent to Guantanamo as a traitor to his country.

    We can NOT permit these indoctrinated lunatics into power.

    Where is todays Sirhan Sirhan when you need him?

    March 22, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • BG

      A French policeman just shot him in the head.

      March 22, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Observer

      Do you have a calling, William? Don't hide from it. Aren't you the next Sirhan?

      March 22, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • William Demuth

      Observer.

      Me? No, I am more like the guy who manipulated him.

      Divide and conquer. Make the Theists kill each other.

      It is a time tested method that has worked for centuries.

      March 22, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • BG

      They're perfectly willing and able to kill each other without your 'manipulation.' You're just a sideshow act to them.

      March 22, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • William Demuth

      BG

      You really believe that.

      Iran will see half a million deaths if we go to war.

      Like it or not America holds their lives in our hands.

      Afghanistan has been over 10 YEAR, but we don't care about the whole thing because Evangelical kids go to die.

      Enact a draft, and either we wont fight, or it will be over with in less than a year

      March 22, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • BG

      "You really believe that (?)."
      Of course. Atheism is nothing more than comic relief to the devout.

      "Iran will see half a million deaths if we go to war."
      Come on, Demuth – do you really believe that? I suppose the world is ending on 12/21 too.

      "Like it or not America holds their lives in our hands."
      Wrong. They hold their fate in their OWN hands. Stop with the castigation of evil America. it's pathetic.

      "Enact a draft, and either we wont fight, or it will be over with in less than a year"
      No, Bill. Enact a FAIR draft, then we'll talk.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • William Demuth

      BG

      A fair draft? Don't make me laugh!! The stupid and the poor shall go REGARDLESS of any foolish belief you might have about justice. Luckily, large amounts of stupid and poor folk can make life tuff for the elites!

      I am the most loyal American you will EVER meet. That is why I speak the truth that you fear. We are going to start another war QUITE soon for no reason greater than pandering to some wealthy Jewish political donors.

      We knew the Jews were building a bomb and we HELPED.

      We knew the Chi Coms and the Norht Koreans were building a bomb and we did nothing

      We knew the Pakastanis were building them and we did nothing.

      Now the Iranians are some big threat?

      Only to the Theocracy in Israel.

      You send your kids, and let em die for Jeebus in a war between Jews and Muslims. Mine aren't going.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • BG

      @ Demuth

      "I am the most loyal American you will EVER meet... We are going to start another war QUITE soon for no reason greater than pandering to some wealthy Jewish political donors."
      No, you're not, or you wouldn't be blaming America for potential outcomes due to Iran's bad behavior. You're busted, Bill.

      "We knew the Jews were building a bomb and we HELPED."
      Helped? No, more like 'shared' with them – we gave them nukes, just like we did for Great Britain and India.

      "We knew the Pakastanis were building them and we did nothing."
      What should we have done? Gone in and blown apart the most fragile peace on the planet and initiated Armageddon? You're a fool. "We" couldn't do anything but watch and maintain some modicu m of diplomacy with the Paks.

      You've outed yourself Bill – you're either simply another mindless liberal on a rant, or a muslim patsy playing American interests against each other. You choose – either is just as pathetic as the other.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • William Demuth

      BG

      It seems obvious that it is YOU who have fooled yourself.

      You deny fact after fact. It seems both justice and reality are limited to those whom you favor. You rationalize inaction, and then refute a comparable action when it suits you.

      What we should have done is minded our own business in ALL of the cases we mentioned. Alas YOU want to pick and choose.

      To be sure, Iran is a cesspool, as all theocracies are. But they are FAR less a threat than ANY of the other countries I have named. You know, I know it, the whole WORLD knows it, yet you STILL rationalize.

      It is you who is exposed. I smell a Zionist sympathizer in our midst! Your loyalty certainly does not lie here! Exactly whom do you want to spill American blood for?

      March 22, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • BG

      I stopped reading after "...But they are FAR less a threat than ANY of the other countries..."

      Pfft – with spit.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • closet atheist

      And the winner is.....

      March 22, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • closet atheist

      W. Demuth by a landslide!!

      March 22, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
  15. momoya

    The american voting public should want more of a politician.. A devout, religious person assumes that the best has already come, and we are all in a "holding pattern" until the final judgement, and that's a stupid and dangerous way to think.. If we could focus on future solutions and, as a nation, support science and research more than any other country, perhaps we might have a chance to make up for some of our wrongs and be an overall help to the planet and non-americans.. We could, after all, feed, clothe, and provide clean water to almost every poor person in the world for a 10th of our military budget, our politicians just find it more important to swagger all over the world with our di,cks hanging out.

    March 22, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • William Demuth

      Or we could give the little buggers birth control so they stop breeding like rats.

      Less people means less war, less hunger, less crime, less global warming and less reality TV!

      Just a simple man made virus that reduces fertility in anyone who dosen't have certain antibodies, and within a generation or two 90 percent of our problems are solved.

      March 22, 2012 at 10:59 am |
  16. MikeC

    Politicians should abide by civil laws and the 10 commandments. However, when they start trying to force their religious convictions on people (a la Father Rick), that's where I draw the line.

    March 22, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • Primewonk

      The 10 commandments? Seriously?

      Your 1st commandment says that I must worship only your god – under penalty of death and eternal torture. On the other hand, my 1st amendment says I can worship your god, some other version of your god, completely different gods, or no gods – whatever I want. Guess what? My first trumps your first. I win. Every day. Every time.

      March 22, 2012 at 9:59 am |
    • derf

      Primewonk- You prols can worship whatever you want whenever you want. Who really cares? We demand more of our politicians.

      March 22, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • BRC

      @derf,
      Who is we? I think you will find that a great many (apparently the majority in fact) of Americans want politicians to hold the Bill of Rights above the 10 Commandmants while in office. Which they should, since ours is a nation built on freedom, and that means not everyone has to follow the tennents of one specific faith (thankfully). If it is your assertion that all those who do not follow the 10 commandments are wicked an evil, then I can say that you are unequivically wrong, and welcome you to look around and see how innacurate that belief is.

      March 22, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      prols?

      March 22, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • William Demuth

      Many acts in the Bible would get you the death penalty today.

      It is a yardstick for lunatics that is irrelevant in a modern rational society

      March 22, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      MikeC
      Funny that you include democratically formed civil laws with the 10 Commandments that were just imposed upon people either by God, or Moses claiming that they came from God. Tell me, would you as freely accept being ruled by a dictatorship?

      March 22, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
  17. Jorge

    There always HAS been too much religion in politics, because the two feed off of the same human frailties. Since the first tribal members stared in horror at a solar eclipse and begged their leader to make it go away, promising him they'd do anything for him if it did, politics and religion have become pretty sweet rackets. Politicians and clergymen have driven whole societies into war, servitude and oblivion in the name of God and country since the dawn of "civilization." They have both on many occasions retarded the advancement of science and society solely for the pleasure of imposing their ideosyncracies on whole nations. Religion will forever be tied to politics because their perpetrators are united by a common motive, POWER.

    March 22, 2012 at 9:42 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      Have you read Robert Wright's The Evolution of God? His first two chapters tie together the link between Chiefs and the Shaman in "primitive" society.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
  18. Robert Brown

    What if someone you knew died. Sometime later, they appeared before you and said, “God, heaven, and hell are real. I have seen them and God let me come back from the dead to warn you.” Would that be enough to convince you of the existence of God?

    March 22, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • BRC

      After I underwent thorough medical treatment to make sure I wasn't halucinating; yes, I could consider that some evidence that there is an afterlife.

      But, here's a fun little twist. If that same relative came back to warn me that not only was "God" real, but the Bible was right, I still wouldn't worship him.

      March 22, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      I'd start therapy because I'd as.sume it was hallucination. Unless many other people saw the exact same thing I would think I was going crazy, not that all those things are real.

      March 22, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • haha

      Mental health examination first

      March 22, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      You also might want to research the most advance hologram technology available. You can be sane, yet still deceived.

      March 22, 2012 at 9:55 am |
    • William Demuth

      No.

      I am often lied to, so such blatherings mean nothing to me, except as an indication that I need more contempt for the fool.

      March 22, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Luke 16:
      19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
      20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
      21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
      22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
      23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
      24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
      25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
      26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
      27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
      28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
      29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
      30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
      31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

      March 22, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • tnfreethinker

      @BRC...I totally agree. Real or not, the god of the bible is an evil tyrant who I would never worship.

      “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
      ― Marcus Aurelius

      March 22, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • momoya

      The god of the bible is far too stupid and inconsistent to be real.. If there is a god, he's a lot smarter than that nitwit.

      March 22, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • BRC

      I see him as part evil tyrant/part petulant teenager

      March 22, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      @ Robert,
      That passage shows how diluted your god really is. He basically said that if someone doesn't believe the ravings of one man, then he won't believe proof. Which is completely backwards. Someone has a much better chance to believe something if he is given proof as opposed to just someone saying its true. Based on that story alone, I believe your god is an evil god who is unworthy of worship. No good god would send people to suffer for eternity because they didn't believe some lunatic on the street when said god could easily prove himself to these people.

      Your religion should be as far away from politics and public life as possible.

      March 22, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • momoya

      Maybe bible god was a child of some species, and our planet was one of its playthings.. One of the parents just came along and said the equivalent of "Hey, quit kicking the dog; that's not the way to take care of your pets!"

      March 22, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      momoya
      Or there is the idea that we are all just Sims playing out our parts in some advanced being's computer game. Judging by how fast computing power is doubling and how fine pixel resolution is getting, this is very easily conceivable.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      I hope He provides what you each need to believe. Try focusing on His love for you rather than His wrath. He provided the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Seek and you will find.

      March 22, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • momoya

      @ Robert B.

      I focused on god's goodness and love for nearly 5 decades.. It's meaningless within a framework that is fallible on almost every demonstrable point and on the contradictory nature and actions of its god.

      March 22, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
  19. Religion is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. You really need to see http://santorum.com.
    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you fat.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
    Prayer dulls your senses.
    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Prayer wastes time.

    March 22, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • Joe

      ...for someone accusing other people of wasting time doing what they earnestly believe in

      March 22, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • Sue

      Struggle against the idiocies and foolishness of religion is only a waste of time insofar as the pract-itioners and advocates of religion are generally unable to see past their delusions; their cases are prettymuch hopeless. However, there is some hope; occasionally one meets a bright individual who with guidance sees through the nonsense and leaves religion. That makes the effort worthwhile, and makes the world a better place. The less religion, the better, as many Scandinavians and others are showing.

      March 22, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Sue

      Struggle against the idiocies and foolishness of religion is only a waste of time insofar as the pract-itioners and advocates of religion are generally unable to see past their delusions; their cases are pretty much hopeless. However, there is some hope; occasionally one meets a bright individual who with guidance sees through the nonsense and leaves religion. That makes the effort worthwhile, and makes the world a better place. The less religion, the better, as many Scandinavians and others are showing.

      March 22, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
  20. christina knight

    Religion is a personal issue and should have no role in the public life we all share, period! There is an inverse relationship between the the level of religiosity in a society and the level of freedom in that society (in general).

    March 22, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • derf

      I guess you mean the freedom to do evil. God has granted you the ability to do evil. Is it in society's best interest to grant you the freedom to do evil?

      March 22, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      @ derf
      It depends what you consider evil. The bible says its okay to ki.ll someone for working on the Sabbath. If you do that now, it would be evil. The idea of what's evil changes over the years so basing what society should do using a 200 yo book is irresponsible. Christina knight is right on this.

      March 22, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      Sorry, 2000, not 200

      March 22, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • Nonimus

      @derf,
      It seems very telling to me that you equate freedom with evil. Does freedom not include the freedom to give, help, and love?

      March 22, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • derf

      Nonimus-

      What you say reminds me of Galatians 5:22-23

      "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." (NIV)

      Something that should always be taken into account.

      March 22, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @derf,
      So Jesus, or at least Paul, agreed; freedom does lead to love.

      March 22, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
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