April 2nd, 2012
03:00 PM ET
Romney fields hostile question on Mormonism
By Rachel Streitfeld, CNN
Green Bay, Wisconsin (CNN) – A Green Bay voter confronted Mitt Romney over his religion at a town hall Monday, the day before Wisconsin's primary. Romney is a life long member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members are commonly called Mormons.
"I guess my question is, do you believe it's a sin for a white man to marry and procreate with a black?" asked Bret Hatch, a 28-year old Ron Paul supporter from Green Bay.Read the full story on Mitt Romney fielding a question about his Mormonism
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The Jesus we follow taught that it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
What does your religion (LDS) teach about wealth and greed?
You also believe in a man named Joseph Smith that declared himself a general against the American Government and then said he would create a Theocratic Monarchy with himself at its head.
You also believe in a man named Joseph Smith that married a 14 year old girl – even though he already had plural wives – because he told the child's family they would receive instant eternal salvation if they have her to him (Smith).
You also believe in becoming a god after this life if you have committed to and followed all of your temple rituals sincerely and without deviance.
You also believe that anyone that is not a mormon will NOT be allow to be with Jesus Christ or God, no matter how good they are, if they do not accept your gospel (religion) to be the only true church. For example. Mother Teresa will not be in heaven if she does not accept a posthumous baptism in the after life.
You also believe that you must take on secret temple names, wear garments (underwear) that has secret symbols that are used in secret rituals in the temple as well as a blood oath that began in 1843, but ended in 1990 when there was a general uproar amongst non-mormons that found out about this particular ritual.
You also believe Blacks and Native Americans were marked with dark skin for being evil in the pre-life or because they just displeased god.
You believe that once you are a god of your own world, you with your heavenly wife will create spirit children that will then fill the earthly bodies of human on your own particular planet that you rule over...meaning that you are already (in certain terms) better than the God that created this planet.
You do believe that Lucifer and Jesus were and are brothers.
Wow, he spent a lot of time NOT answering that question didnt he? Typical politician.
How does Mitt keep his temple recommend? Since he lies all the time.
Considering that his church is run by a bunch of lying business men it only seems fair that they give him his temple recommend any time he wants one. Of course there are lots of famous dead people that he needs to be baptized for and they can't get behind on that.
Did anyone read that Thomas Jefferson and his mistress "slave" were just sealed in the temple recently? Wow?!?!!?!
Prayer changes things .
Prayer doesn’t not; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!"" .
Prayer changes things .
You're a proven liar demonstrating you can't even follow your own rule book. What a hypocrite.
Atheism, if you think you're changing the world by posting the same thing over and over and over and over and over...you're not. You're actually showing people how stupid and annoying christians really are. I thank you for that!
Prayer changes things
WOW! What a lot of arguing over a lot of nothing. Everyone has a different opinion about god and his kingdom and yet nobody has any proof except for a book that was written by a lot of men long after this supposed Jesus Christ died.
When it comes down to it, if you're a mormon you believe in Joseph Smith. You make secret commitments (covenants) in your temples with your secret names, your secret handshakes and you believe that someday you will become a god yourself if you are good enough on this earth. You also acknowledge that your founder, Joseph Smith, declared himself a general against the American Government and claimed that he would install a Theocratic Monarchy with himself as its head. Lets look at Romney in that light (that is what this article is about...). We non-mormons have to accept that mormons cannot be trusted because to them, everything is a secret (they'll say it's sacred). And we also have to worry because Romney could turn the government over to the mormon church as soon as he has control (look up the White Horse Prophesy). Bad news mormons....you're not getting control of the White House this next year. :o)
So, what does pastmorm actually mean? Just curious. Actually the transcripts that make up the Bible were written before, when born, and during Christ's life. Just because we see Joseph as being a profit doesn't mean we worship him. We respect him, but we worship God and we follow Christ. What goes on in the temples we understand that others may find it strange or different, that's because everything that is unknown is usually that of as strange. We don't just say it's sacred, it is sacred which is why it doesn't get discussed openly. I also find my body sacred, this is why I don't walk into a store naked. It's not a secret of what the human anatomy looks like, I just choose not to show mine to the general population. As for you comments on Joseph Smith and his thoughts, these are not Church Doctrine. We don't show up at church on Sunday and get lessons about how we will take over this country. Our focus, believe me, is not politics. We are more worried about our families and love ones spiritual well being. These may be things that he thought could happen, I don't know. Even if so, I feel you are taking it way out of context. Maybe you have experienced a Mormon or two that have really let you down or hurt you in some way, but Mormons for the most part are some of the most trustworthy people I know. I, for one, hope that Mitt makes it to the White House so he can prove you, and others that share your thoughts, wrong.
Oh gosh Jabe, you need to learn history. The bible wasn't written until long after the death of Jesus. The old testament was was written before your Jesus was born, but it's a Jewish book that for some unknown reason christians thought added to their own mythology.
pastmorm means that I was a mormon. Returned missionary, 7the generation with an ancestor mentioned in the D&C.
I loved how you pointed out that you see Joseph Smith as a "profit." If that wasn't a Freudian slip I don't know what is. You obviously have not been through one of your own mormon temples because you would know that before you can enter heaven you must answer to Joseph Smith before you even answer to Jesus. So yes, you do worship him. You've got more statues and paintings of him all over SLC than you do of Jesus. Look at the old Hotel Utah with that HUGE statue (and it's not flattering for the old boot-legger) of Joseph Smith.
Actually, when I am in Vermont, I walk into stores naked because I'm allowed to. You're analogy of what is sacred is weak at best. I grew up being told to tell people that what we do in the temple is sacred not secret. Of course since you've taken out the blood oath, there isn't as much to keep secret except for the stolen Mason handshakes and symbols...which is why mormons cannont be Masons...they would see the similarity.
You are hardly worried about your families and well-being. Utah has one of the highest use of prescription drugs (anti-depressants and anti-anxiety) as well as being one of the highest domestic abuse States. You suppress your women and you shut out anything that isn't mormon because you believe that you are better than anyone else. Think about it bud...you BELIEVE that you're going to be a god when you die. For Pete's sake! That's a mental illness! That's megalomania...at the very least.
Of course since you are mormon you are declaring them the most trustworthy people you've known. Romney sure is showing the true side of you people...so pull down your fake, smiling, warm and fuzzy facade and face the reality that you're a creepy cult. Romney will not make it to the White House because there are so many people like myself getting the world out to people about what mormons are really like. You should see how my friends reacted when I showed them my old garments and the handshakes and told them my "secret" temple name. They laugh and call me "god" now. LOL!
Pastmorm, your sarcasm is very cute. Okay, so I was half right on my dates. I mean you were a missionary, you should have had it in the bag but I'll give it you. And Freuidian slip, it was not. It and all of the other typos you see throughout my post are due to my many distractions. For you see, I am a Mormon, stay at home MOM who is not on anti-depressants or anti-anxiety drugs or any other drugs for that matter. So, I am not your "bud". I would be your friend, but people with such negative views tend to wear me out. Again, like I said in my previous post, I'm not sure of your past. Return missionary, okay, and I'm just guessing, but raised in Utah? Maybe you grew up in one of these hostile environments that you speak of? Maybe you should get out a little and experience something other than Utah and you occasional trips to Vermont to streak through stores. Where I'm from, it's all quite different that what you are making it out to be. And, maybe you should check your history. Mr. Smith himself along with several other leaders were Masons, and there are still LDS men that are Masons to this day. Not sure where you received your info. And the similarity has been acknowledged. Actually there have been many Masons that convert to the church and then leave the Freemason organization once they go through the temple. They do this because they find that they get more out of going to the temple than through being a Mason. And I have been to the Temple several times and never have I had to "answer" to Joseph Smith, but I am going again this weekend. Maybe I'll just check again to make sure nothing has changed. I'll get back with you on that. And I'm not going to speak for anyone else, but I am not suppressed. I wanted to be a SAHM. I get to do whatever I want, really. I honestly don't believe that I am better than anyone else. I have been humbled PLENTY of times. I know my worth is no greater than yours. Also, I don't see that having the want or need to try to understand gods plan and thinking things through for oneself as mental illness. Believing that we will be gods is yet again, not Doctrine. This is merely an idea of possible progression.
I have many other people that I trust that are not members as well. I am convert to the church and the only one in my family. So, I also trust my Family. And maybe we Mormons would feel more comfortable trusting the general population if people like yourself weren't so hostile towards us. And last but not least (because I'm going to even address the last two sentences in your post) I don't have a fake, warm-smiling, facade. I'm that there have been times that I have smiled even though I've wanted to cry. Like the many times I take my kids into a store and they decide that they would like to use the clothing racks as their own personal monkey bars, or they would like to scream at the top of their lungs while the old lady on the next isle over gives me and my children go-to-hell eyes. But I wouldn't call this being a Mormon, it's more like being a Mom. I find it so bizarre when I here stories like yours, only because I can't fathom being in your shoes. I can't imagine what it would take for me to give up my church but my religion as a whole.
WOWSA Jabe...I bet you could have just saved time and posted your testimony on facebook and gotten a lot more thumbs-up. Good for you for believing in your church! Good for you for being such a super great mom with a real, positive, happy smile that isn't a facade!
Frankly your post is so well written that I think you protest too much. Are you trying to convince me or yourself that what you believe is true?
I'm not a mean person, so I won't put you down, but you claim you're happy and that you can't imagine anyone giving up their belief or religion. Well, I can't imagine anyone remaining a mormon if they really study history and look around the at the beauty of the world that doesn't need to be saved by you or your religion to be wonderful. You believe you will be a god when you die. You can't deny that. I think that just living on this earth and being a part of humanity is much better than being a part of your elitist religion and come election, I believe the rest of the country will show you that they concur with me.
Oh, by the way, on a side note (because many women aren't taught the same thing in the mormon church that the men are) did you know that Joseph Smith forced a 13 year old girl to marry him while he was still married to his wife Emma? Thus began polygamy. But not just polygamy...I think we call that pedophilia.....Most good Moms wouldn't be okay with that....
Pastmorm, I'm not going to join in on your battle with J abe, but I can't believe how you would degrade a good woman and mom over and over again. You are obviously a very hateful person to degrade a woman the way you do. I imagine that your wife left you and you in turn left the church and view women in a hateful way, and I'm sorry for people like you. No matter what your belief is or isn't you should learn to talk to a woman. Your behavior will get you nowhere in life and I'm sorry to have to tell you this. By the way, Joseph Smith never forced young girls to marry him. You can't put forth any evidence of your lies. You can't even find one bit of evidence that he had more than one wife while he was alive. Don't worry about responding to me, because I won't be looking back but learn to speak to a woman and maybe you'll get married again.