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April 2nd, 2012
03:00 PM ET

Romney fields hostile question on Mormonism

By Rachel Streitfeld, CNN

Green Bay, Wisconsin (CNN) – A Green Bay voter confronted Mitt Romney over his religion at a town hall Monday, the day before Wisconsin's primary. Romney is a life long member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members are commonly called Mormons.

"I guess my question is, do you believe it's a sin for a white man to marry and procreate with a black?" asked Bret Hatch, a 28-year old Ron Paul supporter from Green Bay.

Read the full story on Mitt Romney fielding a question about his Mormonism
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Mitt Romney • Mormonism • Politics

soundoff (508 Responses)
  1. Voice of Reason

    *TAX THE CHURCHES AND KEEP YOUR RELIGIONS AND GOD AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GOVERNMENT

    April 3, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Keep the atheists away from mine!

      April 4, 2012 at 6:24 am |
  2. Just a pilgrim

    When choosing whom to vote for, a candidate's religion/faith should be taken into consideration as it affects their worldview. Out of the 5 candidates vying for POTUS, based on religion/faith I wouldn't choose any of them. In fact, I can NOT find a reason TO choose any of them. Do over.

    April 3, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • PeterVN

      Ideally, we wouldn't have to choose between candidates who believe (or claim to believe, for the purpose of electability) in slightly different versions of entirely fictional deities, but those are the only choices at present from both parties.

      However, times are changing, as the recent great rallies by Atheists have shown. Progress there, anyway. Eventually, we will have an atheist president. I look forward to that inevitable day.

      April 3, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
  3. Grant L

    This is a joke! People complaining because Mitt is a mormon is ignorant. Study the bible you will find there are times where God didn't allow certain people to hold the priesthood. Also, in the new testament you will find that Christ told Peter (his number 2 guy) "get be hind me Satan". Peter was trying to get in the way of Christ from doing what Christ had to do. What do you learn from this? Man doesn't always know best. So whether the LDS faith made a bad decision as a man or God made the decision that a black man should receive the priesthood. Either way there is evidence in the scriptures that this isn't anything new is Christ's Church in the latter days. Not to mention to hold a man accountable for his church's history. Look at the Catholic church's history. Why would you want to vote for anyone coming from that faith? So silly to act this way over a faith....

    April 3, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
  4. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just go to http://santorum.com to find out more.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you fat.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
    Prayer dulls your senses.
    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Prayer wastes time.

    April 3, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Mavin10

      http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/1-cor/2.14?lang=eng#13

      April 3, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • just sayin

      http://santorum.com says a lot about me.

      April 3, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven.

    April 3, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • Pauline

      "1 pair of hands working does more good than 10,000 hands clasped in prayer."

      So get off your knees and get a job.

      April 3, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • Dennis

      just sayin does a lot of jobs. He does them on his knees.

      April 3, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • just sayin

      10,000 Hands working without a plan are totally useless. Prayer provides , plan, inspiration and direction. God bless

      April 3, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • PeterVN

      Prayer is no plan at all. Prayer is just wimping out and expecting some fictional creature to deal with problems for you.

      April 3, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • Jesus

      ~No it doesn't you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.!`.. . .. ..

      April 3, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
  6. Just a pilgrim

    On the issue of science, does the evidence bear out Creation or Evolution? Check out these facts...

    http://creationresource.org/when-did-it-all-begin/

    April 3, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • momoya

      Evolution is fact.. It is proven thousands of times daily in labs across the world that perform genetic and other research.. Creationism isn't science, but a statement of assumption.. If creationism were a science, it would have falsifiable qualities and testable hypotheses.. To date, creationism has no falsifiable nature nor any testable hypotheses..

      Not only is creationism false, it's not even playing on the right ball field.. You may as well go throw a bowling ball on the ice in the middle of a hockey game.

      April 3, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • just sayin

      Evolution remains an unproven theory. God bless

      April 3, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      God(s), jesus, religion are unproven theories, with far little evidence than there is for evolution. I hope ('cause prayer is useless) that one day someone (a panel of experts?) does a "side-by-side" comparison of god and evolution using the scientific method. My bet is god would not fare well...

      April 3, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Pilgrim..you mix up conjecture with facts..as does your web site.

      April 3, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • momoya

      @just sayin

      We know much, much less about gravity than the theory of evolution, but you'll hardly go jump off a building.. Yes, evolution is harder to see than gravity, but it's much, much better understood.. You've been corrected many times on what a scientific theory is, yet you keep using stupid equivocations because it's all you've got.. Perhaps you should ask your god for some better ammunition than the glitter-painted-marshmallows you keep lobbying as you duck for cover under your desk.. Why do you have genes (switched off) for gills, just sayin???????
      .
      .
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4

      April 3, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
  7. Reality

    Romney also believes that the horn-blowing angel Moroni appeared to the con artist Joe Smith. Not good for someone who wants to be president of any group !!!

    April 3, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
  8. Mark

    momoya wrote:

    You're certainly not my enemy, but if you were, it'd be for your PRIDE in assuming that somehow you have "the Truth.".

    momoya,
    Is God a liar? Jesus said we can know the truth.......Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    April 3, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • momoya

      No, God is not a liar.. God does not exist or, if he does, he doesn't get involved in human affairs or care what we do.. If god did care about showing himself true to "all flesh," then he would have made his truth quite a bit more obvious–at least somewhere up there with geometry, math, and chemistry..

      April 3, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Mark

      Joh 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
      31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

      April 3, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • momoya

      You believe that you are right about god for the EXACT REASON that a muslim extremist believes he is right about god.. You, the muslim, and every other god believer can just assert that god is how you say he is because there's nothing stopping you..

      Gravity, math, chemistry, and euclidian-architecture are all obvious, so you and the other god believers don't argue about that.. You guys argue about what none of you can prove, because it's not obvious, and no god-believer has any advantage over another concerning who god is and what he does.. God isn't "true," because anybody can believe anything about him and claim whatever they want in his name.

      April 3, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • momoya

      @ Mark

      yeah, there were about 5 or 6 dozen prophets running around Palestine around 33 AD claiming to be the Jewish messiah.. A couple hundred stories or so survived from 3 or 4 dozen of these nutjobs.. For a few hundred years after the fact, various of these anecdotes came in and went out of favor until a handful were chosen to go into "the bible.".

      People in that day thought that miracles happened all the time, so when the followers of these prophets were disappointed when they didn't see one personally, they all had some similar line about not needing to prove themselves with miracles and how people were more blessed for believing without them–or some such falderal.

      April 3, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
  9. just sayin

    @just sayin
    allah is an idol

    April 3, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • just sayin

      I worship my pillow, not Allah. But now it has stains on it.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • just sayin

      all gods are idols. Every one of them. Except my pillow. It's a pillow but it has stains on it.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • just sayin

      God is who He says He is. God bless

      April 3, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • just sayin

      god piss.

      god pissed on my pillow again. Oh wait that was me.

      April 3, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
  10. Gavin

    Great video that Mark should watch:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

    April 3, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      Dead guy that used to funny sometimes, but in review not all that funny at all. He died kind of a sad, disillusioned old druggie. God bless

      April 3, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • just sayin

      What a great video. Really opened my eyes at last to the fact that Christianity is complete bullshit.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • just sayin

      I on the other hand know and accept God's Truth. God bless

      April 3, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • just sayin

      I always receive God's Truth on my knees. It's His favorite position for me.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • just sayin

      My god is very soft and fluffy. But he needs washing.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  11. Mark

    Ga 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

    April 3, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Ga 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"

      No because your delusional cult is harmful to society because it only breeds hatred and division among us.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • momoya

      You're certainly not my enemy, but if you were, it'd be for your PRIDE in assuming that somehow you have "the Truth.".

      Like some extremist muslim who was born and raised in Saudi Arabia, or some completely faithful follower of Zeus who was born and raised in Ancient Europe, you think that the god you were taught to believe in is correct and all others incorrect.. It's your arrogance more than your belief that's the problem.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Snow

      prove that you are telling the truth then..

      April 3, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • just sayin

      The word of God is Truth.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • just sayin

      The One True God being Allah, of course.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • momoya

      @ just sayin

      Impossible, for it contains numerous falsehoods and a god with about 24 different split-personalities.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Szilard 88:16 I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • just sayin

      @ momoya
      nope

      April 3, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • momoya

      So you claim that bats are birds, as does the bible?

      April 3, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • just sayin

      Review your knowledge of ancient Hebrew or your context . God bless

      April 3, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • momoya

      I already have learnt that, js.. Learn about the "monomyth" and study the cultural contexts in which the bible was written.. It's obvious that it's all borrowed myth.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Snow

      "nope" and "Review your knowledge of ancient Hebrew or your context" .. just the ways of saying you got no f;ing clue about how to answer momoya's argument..

      It is ok to admit you are wrong and got no idea how to respond, just sayin.. your god, if he exists, will understand

      April 3, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • just sayin

      momoya and you are wrong. Simple solution review the text question in the original doc ument and context. It isn't rocket science. Proper interpretation will clear up a good many of your "questions". God bless

      April 3, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • momoya

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

      April 3, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • Shari

      Momoya, that's a great video. Had me laughing all the way through.

      April 3, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
  12. momoya

    I wonder why Jeebus won't or can't help his followers state their case reasonably?. It's almost like he doesn't exist or doesn't answer prayer.

    April 3, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • HellBent

      For an omnipotent diety, God clearly has a lot of issue getting his message across clearly. My toddler communicates much more effectively.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • YeahRight

      You forgot that their god also makes mistakes and had to kill every thing on the planet except a few, then continued to mess it up so then it had to kill it's son. What a sick monster of a god.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Prayer changes things"

      ~No it doesn't you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.!` .

      April 3, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • just sayin

      Prayer worked for the 7 in shooting. Praise Jesus!

      April 3, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
  13. Mark

    YeahRight

    "It's already been published, you simply refuse to believe it. ...... Joh 17:17 ¶ Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

    Wow are you really this stupid. Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states, let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her. The crowd dissipates out of shame. That story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. It was added by later scribes. The story is not found in the oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible

    You must be like the so-called "Jehovah witnesses" when they see a passage they don't like, they simply remove it from their bible (NWT) has over 50 verses removed. The reason Jesus did not condemn the woman was because they were suppose to bring "both parties" Where was the man? NOTICE.............Le 20:10 ¶ And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
    Yeah, it's suppose to be there.

    April 3, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Yeah, it's suppose to be there."

      LMAO – That's why it doesn't match the rest of the bible and was proven that a scribe wrote and Christ never said any of it. It's also why the bible is not a historical book but a religious one, it has nothing to do with the real truth.

      You really need to get help with your huge EGO, it's only making you more stupid.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  14. Jerry

    Way to miss the thrusts of JustIn's post, Mark.

    April 3, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Mark, like most fundiots, suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect. And sadly, because they suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect, they lack the cognitive ability to understand the suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  15. Mark

    HellBent

    So, why did your "intelligent" designer give us an organ that provides little to no value, is entirely unnecessary, and sometimes kills?

    I keep asking this, I keep hearing crickets.

    In the beginning, before sin entered the world, everything God created was "very good".........Ge 1:31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
    Simply because man abuses what God created perfect doesn't mean it stays that way.

    April 3, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Yo!

      Hey moron – is your ego really that huge that you're can't use the reply button. What an asshole.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Hey moron – is your ego really that huge that you're can't use the reply button"

      He's just helping us prove how stupid Christians are and how big their ego's are, they are nothing like their Christ.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • HellBent

      So, man sinned, therefore ... we have an appendix? That's about the worst logic I've ever heard. That's saying a LOT coming from these boards.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • momoya

      @ Mark

      What stupid reasoning you use.. God made everything perfect, but there's still a loophole for why things are perfect.. I have a powerful, fire-breathing dragon in my garage, but he's invisible, breathes harmless fire, and can share space with three large vehicles.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Declan

      Mark's pretty slow and stupid. He can't help it; his god made him that way.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Primewonk

      " In the beginning, before sin entered the world, everything God created was "very good"."

      Modern humans have been here for 200,000 years. We've been evolving this whole time. [And we've been evolving as earlier hominids for tens of millions of years]

      So, what did the obligate carnivores eat before we had "death"? Heck, what did the obligate carnivores eat for the 9 months they were on Noah's boat, and then the multiple generations after the flood it would have taken an ecosystem to re-evolve to support a predator – prey relationship?

      April 3, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
  16. Mark

    Primewonk wrote:

    Mark, you really are an ignorant putz. You claim that our science explaining the Big Bang (which was neither big, nor a bang) is wrong. You claim that our science explaining evolution is wrong.

    So why don't any of you fundiots publish your scientific evidence that refutes our science? We've been asking you fundiots to do this for years. Yet you never do.

    It's already been published, you simply refuse to believe it. ...... Joh 17:17 ¶ Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

    April 3, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "It's already been published, you simply refuse to believe it. ...... Joh 17:17 ¶ Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

      Wow are you really this stupid. Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states, let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her. The crowd dissipates out of shame. That story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. It was added by later scribes. The story is not found in the oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible

      April 3, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • momoya

      No, Mark, science requires putting forth falsifiable hypotheses and performing tests.. A book full of ancient myths that lists scientific falsehoods by the hundreds is not "science.". Even believers recognize this fact.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Primewonk

      I'm sorry Mark, apparently you are ignorant about what peer-reviewed science is.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Snow

      Circular logic ain't ever correct dude.. nor is an evidence of correctness put forth by itself.. Try this.. if I say "I always say the truth" and then I say, "Since I always say the truth, I am Superman".. Does not make me a superman now, does it? It is a logical fallacy.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • just sayin

      Critics = 0, Bible = 1 Critics lost its in the Bible. God bless

      April 3, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Critics = 0, Bible = 1 Critics lost its in the Bible. God bless"

      Your bible has been proven NOT to be an historical book.

      Christians = dumb

      April 3, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • just sayin

      MOM!!! MEATLOAF!!! NOW!!!!

      April 3, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Snow

      Why don't people ever understand the concept of circular logic.. geez, just sayin.. the example above is clear enough for a six year old to understand.. you still don't get it?

      April 3, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • just sayin

      Gods logic is circular. Circles are pure and good – just like God and his logic. Alpha and Omega

      April 3, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Snow

      umm.. Do you realize what you are saying, just sayin? Are you admitting that your god is wrong?

      April 3, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Since the Bible says that Pi=3, God doesn't seem to know exactly what a circle is.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • just sayin

      God created the universe. Pi is whatever he defines it to be, silly atheist.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • just sayin

      for the record there is more than one just sayin on this thread.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      The Bible does not give Pi.The Bible is not a math text, but is incredibly accurate in math for its purposes. God bless

      April 3, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Primewonk

      just sayin wrote, "for the record there is more than one just sayin on this thread."

      Yeah, we have "just saying" the ignorant fundiots (fundamentalist ldiot). And we have "just sayin" the ignorant troll(s). Both are annoying hacks.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • HellBent

      Then why, oh why, oh why do people keep feeding the fundi-troll?

      April 3, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Primewonk

      " The Bible does not give Pi.The Bible is not a math text, but is incredibly accurate in math for its purposes. God bless"

      It's not accurate at all. You try riding in a chariot with wheels designed using a pi value of 3.0. Heck, other tribes in the area already had pi worked out to 22/7.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
  17. Mark

    Jerry wrote:

    Mark, others might be rebellious, but you lack the courage to admit that your "facts" are actually not proven to be such.

    Jerry,
    There is a whole lot more evidence (proof) of God (intelligent design) than the "theory" of evolution.
    Can't you look at the empire state building and understand there had to be a builder?.........Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

    Again man builds tape recorders and photo cameras, but where did he get this intelligence?....... Pr 20:12 ¶ The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them.

    You could put the hundreds of intricate pieces of a wrist watch in a bag and shake them up until eternity passes and they would never come together as a working time piece and yet that is what the so-called "evolutionist" would have you believe about the creation of the universe.

    April 3, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • HellBent

      So, why did your "intelligent" designer give us an organ that provides little to no value, is entirely unnecessary, and sometimes kills?

      I keep asking this, I keep hearing crickets.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • momoya

      Any argument for a designer works equally well (or more so) as an argument for a creator-god who made god.. And then for that god-creator, and then for the god of the god creator, and then for the god-creator of the god-creator of god...... and so on.

      If complexity requires a designer, then god needs a god.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Snow

      "If complexity requires a designer, then god needs a god."

      I love that.. great quote, momoya.. 🙂

      April 3, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Primewonk

      " There is a whole lot more evidence (proof) of God (intelligent design) than the "theory" of evolution.
      Can't you look at the empire state building and understand there had to be a builder?.........Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God."

      Wait! The ldiots keep claiming that ID is not religious. Now you are claiming it is? Which of you are lying?

      Plus, is a building an organic sel-replicating organism?

      You really don't get this whole science thing, do you?

      April 3, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 3, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • Jesus

      ~~No it doesn't you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.!`

      April 3, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • God Isn't

      ...

      April 3, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  19. Mark

    Primewonk

    Mark, you've been busy denigrating evolution. Why the switch to cosmology? You do understand, don't you, that these are not the same field or domain, right?

    Honestly, it's like posting over and over that ice hockey is all wrong, and when someone calls you on it, you respond with – well then explain why basketballs are round.

    Anyway – this universe came about as a result of the expansion of a singularilty approximately 13.7 billion years ago. This initial singularity was infinitely hot and infinitely dense. We have the science worked out to a couple femtoseconds after the expansion started. So we're talking about the Planck epoch. It was at this point that gravity calved off from the other 3 primary forces – electromagnetic, weak and strong nuclear forces. When this happened, time as we understand it, began.

    Before you post asking what came before this, or what made the expansion start – we don't know. We don't (yet) have math and physics to tell us what happened in negative time.

    Primewonk,
    You use words like "honestly"
    And then make bold statements without any proof about what took place approximately 13.7 billion years ago which number changes drastically with every quack scientist you talk to.
    The only true statement you made is when you said "we don't know"
    You, my friend simply do not want to ponder the fact that this universe was created by an intelligent designer, namely God.
    You cannot stand the thought of having an authority over you, and your children will probably be just as rebellious.

    April 3, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Jerry

      Mark, others might be rebellious, but you lack the courage to admit that your "facts" are actually not proven to be such.

      April 3, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "You, my friend simply do not want to ponder the fact that this universe was created by an intelligent designer, namely God.
      You cannot stand the thought of having an authority over you, and your children will probably be just as rebellious."

      It's stupid comments like this that shows why Christianity is so bad for our society. There is NO proof of a god, none. Then you make up lies about someone about authority and rebellion. You have to make up those excuses in your head so you feel justified in believing in something that doesn't exist, now that's childish!

      April 3, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Mark, you really are an ignorant putz. You claim that our science explaining the Big Bang (which was neither big, nor a bang) is wrong. You claim that our science explaining evolution is wrong.

      So why don't any of you fundiots publish your scientific evidence that refutes our science? We've been asking you fundiots to do this for years. Yet you never do.

      April 3, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • ttttalk

      so if evolution is the real deal, it would be continuous so from the ape to..... what next Asian, African American, Caucasian, Hispanic...etc? What race is further along in the evolution cycle? And where is the a stage of evolution between ape – human today?

      April 4, 2012 at 12:42 am |
    • *facepalm*

      @tttalk – your understanding of the underpinnings of the theory of evolution is severely lacking. IE – race is not akin to species. No race (or whatever that really means in this global world) is 'ahead'. And there is no line from ape to man – we evolved from a common ancestor. If you truly want to learn the basic science behind evolution, there are plenty of book available that don't require a doctorate in biology to understand

      April 4, 2012 at 12:52 am |
  20. JustIn

    Romney is still coming up short in candidates, but he does somehow get penetration despite not being rigid or firm on a number of issues. As far as religious candidates that are really willing to go the distance, I'd like to get behind Rick Santorum and give him my solid support, but until he's more open about all the stimulus that has gone into his package, we won't know for sure that he's a real Republican and a true evangelical Christian.

    No way has Santorum been able to get out and on top of Romney so far despite his occasional thrusts in the south. There's no way Romney should be going soft on him at this stage, either. No matter how oral he gets on Romney, Romney is still just getting a head.

    We can't take Gingrich as a serious contender any longer to make it a threi>esome, because he's so soft in both north and south, although he does have years of experience in going both ways. Ron Paul is against stimulus altogether, so he doesn't really come in to the picture.

    The messy climax is not far off in this little erection campaign and you can learn about it here at http://santorum.com

    April 3, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • david

      We gotta stop spending American blood, on Israeli interests.

      Copy, paste, change.

      April 3, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Jerry

      I think JustIn had other interests in mind.

      April 3, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Mark

      Justin,
      you make the statement..........."we won't know for sure that he's a real Republican and a true evangelical Christian."
      Santorum is not a Christian he is a Catholic.
      How do you know that Mitt Romney is a Mormon?

      Mt 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

      April 3, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Jerry

      Mark, way to miss the thrusts of JustIn's post. Guess you had your mouth where the money is.

      April 3, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      justin I think the subtlety of your post was missed by some.....hilarious.

      April 3, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
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