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April 2nd, 2012
03:00 PM ET

Romney fields hostile question on Mormonism

By Rachel Streitfeld, CNN

Green Bay, Wisconsin (CNN) – A Green Bay voter confronted Mitt Romney over his religion at a town hall Monday, the day before Wisconsin's primary. Romney is a life long member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members are commonly called Mormons.

"I guess my question is, do you believe it's a sin for a white man to marry and procreate with a black?" asked Bret Hatch, a 28-year old Ron Paul supporter from Green Bay.

Read the full story on Mitt Romney fielding a question about his Mormonism
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Mitt Romney • Mormonism • Politics

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  1. Mark

    Primewonk wrote:

    "@ Mark – Before your god created the universe he knew he would create Lucifer. Before he created the universe, he knew that Lucifer would turn evil and become Satan. Yet he went ahead and created him anyway."

    Primewonk,
    Where in the world did you get that Lucifer is Satan? You didn't get that from the bible.

    April 4, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Where in the world did you get that Lucifer is Satan? You didn't get that from the bible."

      Of course Mark can't answer the original question so he has to deflect by asking another stupid question. There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12is likely the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28.

      Or don't you really know your bible Mark? LOL!

      April 4, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Mark

      This is how easy it is for false teachers to get you all.
      Lucifer is only mentioned once in the bible and that is..............Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

      And this is a proverb spoken against the king of Babylon, NOTICE just a few verses prior............Isa 14:4 ¶ That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

      April 4, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Mark

      YeahRight wrote:

      "Of course Mark can't answer the original question so he has to deflect by asking another stupid question."

      Everyone can see who can't answer.
      Where is the verse that says Lucifer is Satan? LOL

      April 4, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Mark

      The bible plainly states that Lucifer was the king of Babylon and you blindly followed some man who said he was Satan and now you wont admit that you were wrong. pathetic

      April 4, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • momoya

      @ Mark

      Why hunt down a side-issue like this one?. Why not deal with the issues squarely?

      April 4, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
  2. AtheismIsCrap

    Atheists brains are like colons. Ain't somethin but crap.

    April 4, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • YeahRigh

      According to your rule book lying is a sin and so is passing judgment. I guess you didn't believe your Christ when he stated love your neighbor like yourself. So based on your post you must think your crap.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  3. Nii

    Textual criticism is a literary art. It isnt art criticism where u use X-rays 2 determine where modifications have been made. I like it though. It gives one doubt n doubt strengthens faith. John n de Bible r not perfect in structure cos without doubt there can't b faith. Read Chemistry before?

    April 4, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Jill

      The common arbuckle has jaded opinions thence expecting corrugated pimples in the wild core incendiary pickle while the whole definitive rests with the amber jupiter.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  4. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 4, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! . .

      April 4, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Mark

      YeahRight wrote:

      "You're quoting from a book that has been proven not to be an historical book but merely a religious one, none of it is true. There is no god and yes your time on earth is all you have but you waste it by being delusional."

      How can you "waste time" if after this life there is no more? doesn't make sense. Again, Sad.

      April 4, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Mark

      Prayer from an atheist will go just as far in reaching God as the prayer of a "Baptist" "Methodist" "Lutheran" "Roman Catholic" "Pentecostal holiness" etc. etc. etc. NONE of them are in the bible..............1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

      Joh 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

      How can a person be a "worshipper of God" and be in a church that he never mentioned in His word?

      April 4, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "How can you "waste time" if after this life there is no more? doesn't make sense. Again, Sad."

      What's sad is we aren't wasting our time here only you are.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • momoya

      @ mark

      Think of it this way; the believers of other denominations who believe theirs is the only "true" one have some reason or other for believing your church is not correct for something you do or don't do.. You've all got reasons, they're just no good.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Rparrish

      All you geniuses. I'm not an atheist, now a fundamentalist. But it is absolutely shocking to me how people have all the answers to a mystery that has baffled man since his ability to reason. Men of much greater intellect than you. Yet you, without much study or research, are able to tell others how wrong they are, or how stupid. Whether you are an atheist, christian, muslim, or whatever, you do not understand or have the answers. All you have is your faith, based on your limited experiences on this earth. So treat others with courtesy and humility, for you may be wrong. And you will never know. Not on this earth you won't.

      April 4, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • J.W

      Hey cool Robert Parrish is commenting on the belief blog. You were a great basketball player.

      April 4, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • J.W

      Mark all of those groups you listed are Christians, which are in the Bible.

      April 4, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
  5. Mark

    YeahRight wrote:

    "Was God not good to Hitler? Do you believe Hitler should have been punished?"

    "Oh you mean like when your god killed everything on the planet but a few including women and children or when it killed it's own son. Yeah your God is = to Hitler and should be punished too."

    Is God not just? He would not be a just God if He didn't punish wickedness, NOTICE.............Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    God did not create them wicked, and besides, the innocent and children are safe anyway, He simply removed them from a wicked place and translated them to a better place. But aren't you glad He left a remnant (Noah & family) wasn't He merciful? He could have simply ended time then but NOTICE.............2Pe 3:9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    April 4, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Is God not just? He would not be a just God if He didn't punish wickedness,"

      Then it needs to punish itself that's the point moron.

      April 4, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "the innocent and children are safe anyway, He simply removed them from a wicked place and translated them to a better place."

      Making up lies and excuses for your god, how pathetic.

      April 4, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

      Funny how your god isn't all knowing guess your god isn't so great now is it. LOL!

      April 4, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • HellBent

      "the innocent and children are safe anyway, He simply removed them from a wicked place and translated them to a better place."

      This brilliant piece of fundie logic was also used by Andrea Yates to kill her five children. I suppose you want to give her a medal.

      Wow

      April 4, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Mark

      Yeah wrong,
      Must be really sad not to have any hope at all.
      You actually believe when your physical body gives out that's all there is????
      sad, but not true..........Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

      April 4, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Must be really sad not to have any hope at all.
      You actually believe when your physical body gives out that's all there is????
      sad, but not true..........Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

      You're quoting from a book that has been proven not to be an historical book but merely a religious one, none of it is true. There is no god and yes your time on earth is all you have but you waste it by being delusional.

      April 4, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Mark

      YR,
      What do you mean He is not all knowing? He knew to create a way from the foundation of the world to save mankind didn't He, It's not going to be His fault if you don't obey Him.

      April 4, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "What do you mean He is not all knowing? He knew to create a way from the foundation of the world to save mankind didn't He, It's not going to be His fault if you don't obey Him."

      LMAO – Your god supposedly created man but didn't know that in the future it would have to wipe it out? Oh please, then it has to create a son so it can kill that too because his creation still wasn't working out? LOL! You have to be really delusional to believe that.

      April 4, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Mark

      YeahRight wrote:

      "LMAO – Your god supposedly created man but didn't know that in the future it would have to wipe it out? Oh please, then it has to create a son so it can kill that too because his creation still wasn't working out? LOL! You have to be really delusional to believe that."

      "then it has to create a son so it can kill that too"
      Again, yeah wrong, you twist the scripture to fit your own thinking.
      Jesus was not "created" Jesus was with the Father from the beginning...........NOTICE, .Ge 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

      And then you state that God killed Jesus.............Ac 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

      Just because God knew what would happen doesn't mean He did it.

      April 4, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Again, yeah wrong, you twist the scripture to fit your own thinking.
      Jesus was not "created" Jesus was with the Father from the beginning."

      Oh, let's play your game, so your god hand to create itself to kill itself because it screwed up creation. LOL! wow are you delusional or what.

      April 4, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Just because God knew what would happen doesn't mean He did it."

      But it could have done something much earlier to stop itself from having to kill everything on the planet. But we all know that's not true through science anyway but I am just having fun playing your game.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "He, It's not going to be His fault if you don't obey Him."

      So it didn't know what the future would bring cause it can't see that far in advance.....then it's not a god but a delusional story made up by man, nothing more. LOL!

      April 4, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Mark

      YeahRight wrote:
      "Oh, let's play your game, so your god hand to create itself to kill itself because it screwed up creation. LOL! wow are you delusional or what."

      Where do you get the idea that God "screwed up creation"(not my words)?.........Ge 1:31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
      NOTICE "everything...was very good"

      April 4, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Yo!

      ""Oh, let's play your game, so your god hand to create itself to kill itself because it screwed up creation. LOL! wow are you delusional or what."

      Where do you get the idea that God "screwed up creation"(not my words)?.........Ge 1:31 ¶ And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."

      It wasn't good if based on the story it had to then kill everything but 2. It wasn't very good it it killed everything! Duh.

      "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."

      April 4, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • momoya

      @ Mark

      Why did god make a corruptible goodness?. Being god, couldn't he have made goodness that was incorruptible?

      April 4, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Mark

      YeahRight wrote:

      "Just because God knew what would happen doesn't mean He did it."

      "But it could have done something much earlier to stop itself from having to kill everything on the planet. But we all know that's not true through science anyway but I am just having fun playing your game."

      YR,
      Do you believe man has NO responsibility at all?

      April 4, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • YeahRigh

      Yo! don't forget this one too.

      "For after seven more days, I will send rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made."

      Guess it wasn't so good after all. LOL!

      G

      April 4, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • YeahRigh

      "Do you believe man has NO responsibility at all?"

      You don't need a god to be responsible only a weak minded person would believe that, humans developed morality, it wasn't a god, it evolved over time. Are we perfect, no, we have a long way to go but we don't need a god for it. Religion has killed more people on this planet because of their pathetic beliefs which only proves believing in a god isn't working.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Mark

      momoya wrote:

      @ Mark

      Why did god make a corruptible goodness?. Being god, couldn't he have made goodness that was incorruptible?

      This doesn't make any sense. In order to have "goodness" you must have a standard to base it on.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • momoya

      @Mark

      Are you saying that there are some things god can't do, or won't do?.

      Is heaven's goodness beyond corruption?. If so, then god is capable of making goodness that is incorruptible.. If not, why call it heaven.

      Is incorruptible goodness without a standard by which to judge the goodness?. If so, then how does god or any person know how good heaven is?. If not, why doesn't the bible explain the corruption by which the goodness of heaven is judged?

      April 4, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • momoya

      @ Mark

      Also, why couldn't god make a mechanism by which we could understand incorruptible goodness?. God can make incorruptible goodness understandable, can't he?!?

      April 4, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Nii

      THE ATHEIST DOLT'S POSITION
      GOOD(GOD)=EVIL(DEVIL)
      EVIL(GOD)=EVIL(GOD)
      leavimg out conveniently Genesis 2&3
      GOOD(MAN)=EVIL(MAN)
      All atheists be happy. Only u can. lol

      April 4, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Mark

      momoya wrote:

      @ mark

      Think of it this way; the believers of other denominations who believe theirs is the only "true" one have some reason or other for believing your church is not correct for something you do or don't do.. You've all got reasons, they're just no good.

      momoya,
      I do not have a church.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ Mark – Before your god created the universe he knew he would create Lucifer. Before he created the universe, he knew that Lucifer would turn evil and become Satan. Yet he went ahead and created him anyway.

      Your god, by virtue of claiming omnipotence and omniscience, knows if you will go to heaven, or hell. Your god knew this before he created you. Your god knew this before he created the universe.

      Can you trick god? If god knows your ticket is punched to go to heaven, can you instead go to hell? If you can, then your god isn't omniscient. If you are scheduled to end up in hell, can you surprise god and show up in heaven? Wouldn't this mean that your god doesn't know everything?

      This means that your version of a god purposefully creates billions of people knowing that he is going to torture them for all eternity.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
  6. Doc Vestibule

    The Mormon Elders are eagerly waiting to fulfill Joesph Smith's prophecy that they will take over the US government.
    "The time will come when the government of the United States will be so nearly overthrown through its corruption, that the consti/tution will hang as it were by a single thread, and the Latter Day Saints – the Elders of Israel – will step forward to its rescue and save it." – Joseph Smith (Journal of Discourses,7:15.)

    April 4, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • momoya

      @ Doc V

      It appears obvious to me that Mitt has been coached (at length) on how to deal with questions about his faith.. On the video, the person asking the question does not present the question correctly and with sufficiently sticky wording.. Mitt was able to weasel around the intent of the question and respond with an answer that strengthened his claim to the executive office..

      Conclusion: We should come up with more pointed questions that fundiot candidates can't easily evade..

      April 4, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • Primewonk

      " We should come up with more pointed questions that fundiot candidates can't easily evade.."

      Here are my questions:
      1. How old is the universe?
      2. How old is the earth?
      3. How long have modern humans been on earth?
      4. Why do humans and chimps share ERVs at the same points in the germ line, while humans and dogs don't?
      5. Why do turkeys and chickens share the same cytochrome c sequence, which is different than the cytochrome c sequence that humans and chimps share?
      6. What is the sound of one hand clapping?

      April 4, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Nii

      PRIMEWONK
      God is omniscient but has chosen to grant Angels(n demons inclusive) as well as humans freewill. what does this mean. There is a probability that without interference there will be disobedience. An eternal being understands this knowledge so He knows the beginning and end by the present.

      April 4, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
  7. Mark

    Yo! wrote:

    "Are you really that stupid when you hit the reply button it goes to the end of the original post. But based on your stupid posting you're to dumb to figure that out."

    April 4, 2012 at 11:12 am | Report abuse |

    momoya wrote:

    "It must be an issue with your device, then.. Don't worry about it.. Worry about the stupidity of the belief system with which you were indoctrinated."

    My point exactly, you all prove the bible to be true and don't even realize it............ Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

    April 4, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • YeahRight

      "Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also."

      The book of John shouldn't have even been in the bible and the fact your quoting it shows you don't know your bible. Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states, let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her. The crowd dissipates out of shame. That story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. It was added by later scribes. The story is not found in the oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • HellBent

      My prediction: People will disagree with me.

      We have seen that Mark has already proven me correct, therefore everything I say is true.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • momoya

      @ Mark

      Stop being a moron.. Most clubs include some sort of warning about how outsiders will disagree.. Humans have differing opinions–it doesn't take god to notice that–any human sees how obvious it is.. The question isn't, "Why would that scripture be present in a 'holy' book," but "Why wouldn't you put something that obvious in a 'holy' book?"

      April 4, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Nii

      YEAHRIGHT
      Bravo! Now tell me that you know also that the textual critics actually know which are the oldest texts. The inserted story is not actually a left out story. That you assert that the Gospel of John shouldn't be Scripture we r to applaud? None of the 73 books regarded as Scripture should b

      April 4, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Bravo! Now tell me that you know also that the textual critics actually know which are the oldest texts. The inserted story is not actually a left out story. That you assert that the Gospel of John shouldn't be Scripture we r to applaud? None of the 73 books regarded as Scripture should b'

      Keep showing the world your stupidity.

      April 4, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Nii

      YEAH
      I think you are not even seeing my stupidity. What? You don't understand that there doesn't have to be HOLY SCRIPTURE? When I read the fables of Aesop do I believe them to be holy? No. Do they teach me emotional maturity? yes! Why am I even wasting your time? Wisdom knows her children, right?

      April 4, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "You don't understand that there doesn't have to be HOLY SCRIPTURE? When I read the fables of Aesop do I believe them to be holy? No. Do they teach me emotional maturity? yes!"

      Knock knock....is there a brain in there.... people are quoting it as if their Jesus said it when in fact he never did – it's a lie, the very thing your bible condemns. DUH!

      April 4, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Nii

      The literal critics do not focus on the truth of the Scriptures. They focus on the literary skills. Ask them. The Canonical books are not the only Judaeo-Christian literature quoted. Even here others are. They were chosen for consistency not Truth. For faithfulness not exactness. Do you understand?

      April 4, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
  8. Mark

    hmmmm wrote:

    "God good to all, or just a few?
    PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
    JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them."

    You've spent a lot of time trying to disprove God, much like the video that momoya presented but if you would spend the same time studying the "sum" of God's word you would see there are no contradictions.

    I will take the first alledged contradiction you mention........Ps 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

    And you believe this contradicts..............Jer 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

    Was God not good to Hitler? Do you believe Hitler should have been punished?

    April 4, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • YeahRight

      "Was God not good to Hitler? Do you believe Hitler should have been punished?"

      Oh you mean like when your god killed everything on the planet but a few including women and children or when it killed it's own son. Yeah your God is = to Hitler and should be punished too.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:35 am |
  9. Mark

    momoya wrote:

    At the bottom of every post, you should see a date and time stamp, then a "Report abuse" link followed by a "Reply" link.

    I did not see a "reply" link at the bottom of your post. however it was one at the bottom of mine, but you said at the bottom of "every post"

    April 4, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • Yo!

      Are you really that stupid when you hit the reply button it goes to the end of the original post. But based on your stupid posting you're to dumb to figure that out.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • momoya

      It must be an issue with your device, then.. Don't worry about it.. Worry about the stupidity of the belief system with which you were indoctrinated.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:12 am |
  10. Mark

    momoya wrote:

    Hmmmm.. Many christians claim that the resurrection is the most important event that ever occurred.. (If not, they'll say it's up there in the top 2 or 3).. Yet, each of the four gospels describe it contradictory ways–only one version could be accurate if it really happened.. Stupid biblegod.

    Not only are there hundreds of contradictions in the bible, but there's FOUR contradicting accounts of the most important thing christ ever did.. You'd think a perfect god would be at least somewhat accurate some of the time.

    Again momoya,
    there are NOT "four gospels" Read my reply to HB.
    everyone claims there are "hundreds of contradictions" in the bible until asked to name one.
    Can you name one?

    Also about the reply, every post doesn't have "reply" I will admit I'm not real computer savy so if you can help me on this I would appreciate it.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • momoya

      At the bottom of every post, you should see a date and time stamp, then a "Report abuse" link followed by a "Reply" link.

      Mark, I don't care what you say about the gospels because you're not evaluating the bible honestly but with your preconceived notions and confirmation bias.. Watch the video I posted.. The bible is rife with contradictions–so much so that you CAN'T believe it–regardless of if you claim to or not.. If a math book claims that 2+2 = 5 and also 2+2 = 4, you can't say that you believe the math book–because the math book is telling you two contradictory things.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • hmmmm

      "everyone claims there are "hundreds of contradictions" in the bible until asked to name one.
      Can you name one?"

      God good to all, or just a few?
      PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
      JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
      [Editor's note: Some readers have raised an objection to this alleged contradiction. They point out that PSA 145:20 states that The Lord keeps all who love Him, but that He will destroy the wicked. In other words, some see no contradiction between "The Lord is good to all" and JER 13:14. Others contend, however, that even if the Lord destroys the wicked he could do so with compassion, pity, and mercy. Further, there are biblical examples that indicate that the Lord is not necessarily "good" or merciful–even to those who are not wicked. One such example is Job. As one reader points out, "If Psalm 145:9 was not a contradiction of Psalm 145:20 or Jeremiah 13:14, it would read something like this: "The LORD is good to all, except the wicked: and his tender mercies are over all his works, except when He is punishing the wicked." In any case, the idea that the Lord is good and merciful is contradicted by countless examples in the Bible where God orders the destruction of infants, personally kills David's infant child, etc.]
      ________________________________________
      War or Peace?
      EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
      ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
      ________________________________________
      Who is the father of Joseph?
      MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
      LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
      ________________________________________
      Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:
      MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
      MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
      JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
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      Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
      JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
      JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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      Which first–beasts or man?
      GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
      GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
      GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
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      How many stalls and horsemen?
      1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
      2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
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      Is it folly to be wise or not?
      PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
      ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
      1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
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      Human vs. ghostly impregnation
      ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
      MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
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      The sins of the father
      ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
      DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
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      Rabbits do not chew their cud
      LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
      "Gerah," the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also perhaps grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we can agree that that is irrelevant here). It does *not* mean dung, and there is a perfectly adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have been used. Furthermore, the phrase translated "chew the cud" in the KJV is more exactly "bring up the cud." Rabbits do not bring up anything; they let it go all the way through, then eat it again. The description given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and that's that. Rabbits do eat their own dung; they do not bring anything up and chew on it.
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      Snails do not melt
      PSA 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
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      Fowl from waters or ground?
      GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
      GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
      GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
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      Odd genetics
      GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
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      The shape of the earth
      ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
      MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
      Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
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      Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt
      GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
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      Earth supported?
      JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
      JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
      Heaven supported too
      JOB 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.
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      The hydrological cycle
      ECC 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.
      JOB 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
      Storehouses are not part of the cycle
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      Order of creation
      Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:
      Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
      Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
      Day 3: Plants
      Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
      Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
      Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
      Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)
      Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good."
      The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:
      Earth and heavens (misty)
      Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
      Plants
      Animals
      Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)
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      How orderly were things created?
      #1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days."
      #2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
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      How satisfied with creation was he?
      #1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
      #2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
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      Moses' personality
      NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth."
      NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."
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      Righteous live?
      PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
      ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."
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      ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."
      MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."
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      Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?
      MAT 5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

      LUK 6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."
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      Jesus' last words
      MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
      LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
      JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
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      Years of famine
      II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?
      I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
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      Moved David to anger?
      II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
      I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
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      The GENEALOGY OF JESUS?
      In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary is mentioned. MAT 1:6-16 and LUK 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus. The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.
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      God be seen?
      EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
      God CAN be seen:
      "And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
      "And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
      "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)
      God CANNOT be seen:
      "No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
      "And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
      "Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)
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      CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD:
      "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy." (JER 13:14) "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling."
      "The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy." (JAS 5:11)
      "For his mercy endureth forever." (1CH 16:34)
      "The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works." (PSA 145:9)
      "God is love." (1JO 4:16)
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      Tempts?
      "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (GEN 22:1)
      "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13)
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      Judas died how?
      "And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." (MAT 27:5)
      "And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)
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      Ascend to heaven
      "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2KI 2:11)
      "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (JOH 3:13)
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      What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?
      Before the cock crow – MAT 26:34
      Before the cock crow twice – MAR 14:30
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      How many times did the cock crow?
      MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.
      MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
      MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.
      LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
      LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
      JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice.
      JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.
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      How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount
      MAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      MAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
      MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
      MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
      MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
      MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
      MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
      MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      MAT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
      LUK 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
      LUK 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
      LUK 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
      LUK 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
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      Does every man sin?
      1KI 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;
      2CH 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;
      PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?
      ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
      JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
      JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
      JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
      JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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      Who bought potter's field
      ACT 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
      ACT 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
      MAT 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
      MAT 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
      MAT 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.
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      Who prophesied the potter's field?
      MAT 27:9-10 (mentions Jeremy but no such verse in Jeremiah) is in Zechariah 11:12-13
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      Who bears guilt?
      GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
      GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
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      Do you answer a fool?
      PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
      PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
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      How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?
      2SA 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.
      2SA 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:
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      How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?
      2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
      2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.
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      Marriage?
      Proverbs 18:22
      1 Corinthians 7 (whole book. See 1,2,27,39,40)
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      Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?
      ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
      ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
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      Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
      MAR 1:12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
      JOH 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
      (various traipsings)
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      How many apostles were in office between the resurrection and ascension?
      1 Corinthians 15:5 (12)
      MAT 27:3-5 (minus one from 12)
      ACT 1:9-26 (Mathias not elected until after resurrection)
      MAT 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
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      Judging
      1 Cor 2:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:" (NIV)
      1 Cor 4:5 "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God."
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      Good deeds
      Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (NIV)
      Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)
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      For or against?
      MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
      (default is against)
      MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
      (default is for)
      LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
      (default is for)
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      Whom did they see at the tomb?
      MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
      MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
      MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
      MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
      MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
      LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
      JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
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      God change?
      MAL 3:6
      JAS 1:17
      1SA 15:29
      JON 3:10
      GEN 6:6
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      Destruction of cities (what said was jeremiah was zechariah)
      MAT 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;
      ZEC 11:11-13 (Note: There is nothing in Jeremiah remotely like this.)
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      Who's sepulchers
      ACT 7:16
      GEN 23:17,18
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      Strong drink?
      PRO 31:6,7
      JOH 2:11-11
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      When second coming?
      MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
      MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
      LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
      (See also 1TH 4:15-18)
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      Solomon's overseers
      1KI 9:23 550
      2CH 8:10 250
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      The mother of Abijah:
      2CH 11:20 Maachah the daughter of Absalom
      2CH 13:2 Michaiah the daughter of Uriel
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      When did Baasha die?
      1KI 16:6-8 26th year of the reign of Asa
      2CH 16:1 36th year of the reign of Asa
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      How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
      2KI 8:26 22
      2CH 22:2 42
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      The differences in the census figures of Ezra and Nehemiah.
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      What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?
      MAT 27:28 scarlet
      JOH 19:2 purple
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      What did they give him to drink?
      MAT 27:34 vinegar
      MAR 15:23 wine with myrrh
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      How long was Jesus in the tomb?
      Depends where you look; MAT 12:40 gives Jesus prophesying that he will spend "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth," and MAR 10:34 has "after three days (meta treis emeras) he will rise again." As far as I can see from a quick look, the prophecies have "after three days," but the post-Resurrection narratives have "on the third day."

      April 4, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • momoya

      And if we open the category up for theological principle contradictions, not just narrative contradictions, there'd be a couple hundred more on that list.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Nii

      @MOMOYA & HMMM
      I think u shud now understand why I obviously don't see why I shud expend my energies debating Scripture with u. Why u didn't see it?
      PROVERBS 26:4,5
      If these are the contradictions then I can't laugh. I hope you get out of your confusion at a later date! lol... Evangelist enjoy!

      April 4, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Nii

      MOMOYA
      Seriously now were you struggling with questions like this as an Evangelist? And there were theological controversies too? I think sometimes my "pert" answers help u better than u admit. Let me give you one now. Use different translations n go to a non-Fundamentalist Church or cultic Church.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:49 am |
  11. pastmorm

    It's a long video, but it shows why the mormon church withdrew one of their main scriptures after science proved that what old Joe Smith said was a lie.

    http://youtu.be/hcyzkd_m6KE

    April 4, 2012 at 10:48 am |
  12. Mark

    HellBent wrote:

    "You'd think God (the holy spirit) would do a bit better job guiding people. I mean really – an omnipotent deity has that hard of a time getting his point across?"

    HB, you can stay that way if you want to, but you can't blame God..............1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Yo!

      "HB, you can stay that way if you want to, but you can't blame God."

      Your god is a monster and a tyrant and only a brainwashed idiot would fall for this cult.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • momoya

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      This video is hilarious where it plays the clips of preachers saying there are no biblical contradictions and that god is not the author of confusion!!
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

      April 4, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • HellBent

      Then fine, God doesn't contradi Himself – but then he also can't get a really simple message across. Is the Holy Spirit wearing a muzzle or somehting? I mean, if people have that hard of a time understanding the Holy Spirit, doesn't that still call into question the entire bible?

      That is SOME weak spirit.

      Also, you have no idea what circular logic means, do you?

      April 4, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • HellBent

      @momoya – saw the video yesterday and loved it.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:57 am |
  13. Mark

    A known Filipino wrote:

    "another battle between the online loser religious community and the online looser atheist community. I come here with a bag of popcorn and then read all of your comments for laughs."

    So you're simply an online loser full of popcorn.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • Yo!

      Hey idiot you look like a complete moron because you're too stupid to use the reply button.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:47 am |
  14. Mark

    HellBent wrote:

    "If the bible is accurate – and of course all of your arguments hinge upon that, why are four gospels all inconsistent with what actually happened after jesus supposedly rose from the dead. You'd think that given that this is the single most important event in the entire bible by a mile, that there would be some reasonable consistency."

    HB,
    There are NOT "four gospels" these are four views of the gospel of Christ penned by four distinct individuals guided by the Holy Spirit as to what they were to write but they each have their own "writing" personalities, just as when four people today tell an event they all witnessed, they may all speak the truth about the event but each have a different way of expressing it.

    April 4, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • HellBent

      You'd think God (the holy spirit) would do a bit better job guiding people. I mean really – an omnipotent deity has that hard of a time getting his point across?

      And thanks for admitting that the gospels (and I'll continue to call them separate gospels since they vary so wildly) are indeed NOT accurate. Of course, the authors of the bible didn't even witness the events in question, so that weakens your case even further.

      And is hte 'reply' link really that hard to use?

      April 4, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • momoya

      Hmmmm.. Many christians claim that the resurrection is the most important event that ever occurred.. (If not, they'll say it's up there in the top 2 or 3).. Yet, each of the four gospels describe it contradictory ways–only one version could be accurate if it really happened.. Stupid biblegod.

      Not only are there hundreds of contradictions in the bible, but there's FOUR contradicting accounts of the most important thing christ ever did.. You'd think a perfect god would be at least somewhat accurate some of the time.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • Yo!

      You look like a complete moron because you're too stupid to use the reply button.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • jim

      ~Yo!
      The reply button sometimes does not work with some smart phone and/or non-smart phones specifically with this site. Unless you have a real argument, i suggest you stop wasting your time here.

      April 4, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • Yo!

      "Unless you have a real argument, i suggest you stop wasting your time here."

      Tested on several worked just fine. Now since you didn't have a real argument practice what you're preaching.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  15. Mark

    momoya wrote:

    @ Mark
    "People in that day thought that miracles happened all the time, so when the followers of these prophets were disappointed when they didn't see one personally, they all had some similar line about not needing to prove themselves with miracles and how people were more blessed for believing without them–or some such falderal."

    momoya,NOTICE
    1Co 15:1 ¶ Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
    5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
    6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
    7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
    8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

    The Romans were suppose to be guarding the tomb, they were even paid to lie about someone coming and taking the body, the apostles were killed (some beheaded) for preaching the death burial & resurrection of Christ, which you claim is a hoax. There are over six hundred prophecies in the Old Testament which Jesus fulfilled to a tee, they NEVER found his body, you now observe dates and time differently on account of his death burial and resurrection, you have his written will and you still need a miracle??? You remind me of the rich man in Lk.16.............Lu 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
    31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
    Not going to be any more miracles momoya,.........Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

    2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

    April 4, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • HellBent

      If the bible is accurate – and of course all of your arguments hinge upon that, why are four gospels all inconsistent with what actually happened after jesus supposedly rose from the dead. You'd think that given that this is the single most important event in the entire bible by a mile, that there would be some reasonable consistency.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • A known Filipino

      another battle between the online loser religious community and the online looser atheist community. I come here with a bag of popcorn and then read all of your comments for laughs.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • momoya

      @ Mark

      Why list a bunch of reasons only to say at the end that "We walk by faith and not by sight?". That's like me explaining a mathematics principle to you, and then at the end I say, "But don't worry about the technical details; we know math works by magic, anyway."

      And, I'm pretty sure that atheists would accept the lesser blessing for believing based on sight; after all, Jesus proved himself to Doubting Thomas..

      April 4, 2012 at 10:41 am |
  16. Christianity is not healthy for children and other living things

    Christianity takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Christianity makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just go to http://santorum.com to find out more.
    Christianity prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Christianity makes you fat.
    Christianity wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Christianity contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Christianity fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Christianity can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Christianity reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Christianity exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Christianity makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Christianity makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Christianity makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Christianity gives you knobbly knees.
    Christianity makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
    Christianity dulls your senses.
    Christianity makes you post really stupid shit.
    Christianity makes you hoard cats.
    Christianity makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Christianity wastes time.

    April 4, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • Mark

      I'm sorry that the world has blinded your eyes.
      "Denominationalism" is NOT Christianity.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:16 am |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 4, 2012 at 5:34 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 4, 2012 at 8:21 am |
    • John 17

      20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
      24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
      25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”

      April 4, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • Christianity is not healthy for children and other living things

      Christianity takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
      Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
      Christianity makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just go to http://santorum.com to find out more.
      Christianity prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
      Christianity makes you fat.
      Christianity wears out your clothes prematurely.
      Christianity contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
      Christianity fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
      Christianity can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
      Christianity reveals how stupid you are to the world.
      Christianity exposes your backside to pervert priests.
      Christianity makes you think doilies are exciting.
      Christianity makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
      Christianity makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
      Christianity gives you knobbly knees.
      Christianity makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
      Christianity dulls your senses.
      Christianity makes you hoard cats.
      Christianity makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
      Christianity wastes time.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:59 am |
    • YeahRight

      "John 17"

      The book of John shouldn't have even been in the bible and the fact your quoting it shows you don't know your bible. Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states, let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her. The crowd dissipates out of shame. That story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. It was added by later scribes. The story is not found in the oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible.

      April 4, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • AtheismIsCrap

      The right statement is...

      Atheists childish minds are intolerant not only with lactose.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
  18. HEAVENBENT

    I still don't understand how this is a hostile question. The answer itself should be considered hostile. You know, because that religion promotes racism.

    April 3, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Joe

      That's not true, and it is sad that Santorum and Ron Paul supporters have to fall back to anti-Mormonism to try to win an election (especially when Santorum and Ron Paul both have actual serious racial issues, and Mitt does not.)

      If Mitt wins or loses, it doesn't change the fact that members of the Church of Jesus Christ are wonderful people, not perfect, but amazing. My racially mixed family feels at home among the Latter Day Saints.

      Everyone has some racism in their past, but Mormons have been much more progressive and have fewer issues with racism than mainstream Christians, Muslims, etc, and especially atheists, activists, etc who spend so much time on the internet attacking people for their faith.

      April 4, 2012 at 4:43 am |
    • Charles Lee Ray

      Pssssssst....

      Mormons are part of one of the most irrational cults in the country.

      By the way mormon, I like how your kind like to redirect everything to the other candidates. Let's look at the real issue here. Mormons don't have an intelligent bone in their stupid little bodies. Joe Smith got what was coming to him. Deserved it. He was a scammer. No different than one of those Nigerian 419 idiots.

      Shove your magic underwear.

      April 4, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • momoya

      @Joe

      Your last sentence states that atheists are racist because they attack people for their faith. ?!?!?!?!

      1. It's stupid to say that atheists are racist
      2. Racism has nothing to do with an attack on somebody's faith.
      3. Attacking somebody's faith isn't racist, even if it isn't desirable.

      April 4, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • AtheismIsCrap

      Yeah..it should have been...

      Atheists childish minds are INTOLERANT not only with lactose.

      April 4, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
  19. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWBIES:

    Putting the final kibosh on religion to include Mormonism:

    • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    April 3, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Joe

      Dude, I've always wanted to be omniscient, how did you come to know everything in the universe? ; )

      April 4, 2012 at 4:40 am |
    • Reality

      The power of doing homework:

      ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS-

      SOME CONCLUSIONS:

      THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD

      Joe Smith had his Moroni.

      "Latter-day Saints also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".

      newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      For added information see the review at:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

      April 4, 2012 at 8:00 am |
  20. ecrawford333

    Here's a good take on the topic: http://www.eacology.com/2012/02/are-mormons-such-as-mitt-romney.html

    April 3, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
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