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The scene at Oikos University on Monday.
April 2nd, 2012
06:39 PM ET

Site of California shooting is Korean Christian college

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - A California college where authorities say that seven people were shot dead on Monday is a religious school that caters to the burgeoning Korean American Christian community.

The number-one objective of Oikos University, in Oakland, California, is "to demonstrate a comprehensive knowledge of the Bible and an understanding of Christian doctrine," according to the school's website. Its number-two objective: "To develop an appreciation for the Korean and Korean-American church denomination heritage."

The school is accredited to offer just a half-dozen degrees, according to California's bureau for Private Postsecondary Education, including an associate's degree in nursing, a bachelor's in biblical studies, a master's in Asian medicine and a doctorate in ministry.

"Oikos University has a very specific goal and mission to offer education programs in the area of religious studies, music, and vocational nursing," the school's site says.

Andrew Sung Park, a professor of theology and ethics at United Theological Seminary in Ohio, says that Korean-American Christianity probably represents the fastest-growing part of the Asian American religious landscape.

The community is largely a legacy of American evangelizing in South Korea, which is now home to the world's largest Christian church.

Most of 1.3 million Korean Americans are Christian, Park said, and they generally subscribe to an evangelical Protestant version of the faith.

"There is a saying that when Koreans get together in the United States, they establish churches first," says Park, who is Korean-American. "Some other Asians are more concerned with businesses or finances, but Koreans care about religion and about Christianity."

The school's focus on Oriental medicine, including classes on acupuncture and herbal medicine, speaks to the Koreans' holistic outlook on life, blending Eastern approaches to health and medicine with Western religion, even mixing Christianity with Korea's shamanistic traditions, Park says.

"Koreans are very much interested in healing, faith healing, medical healing, spiritual healing... there is a oneness," he says.

Oikos University, which takes its name from the Greek word for "house," espouses a literal view of the Bible, which the school's site describes as "infallibly and uniquely authoritative and free from error of any sort in all matters."

The site promotes "the literal existence of Adam and Eve as the progenitors of all people, the literal fall and resultant divine curse on the creation, the worldwide cataclysmic deluge, and the origin of nations and languages at the tower of Babel."

"We believe the realities of heaven and hell," the site says.

–CNN's Eric Marrapodi contributed to this story.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: California • Christianity • Violence

soundoff (468 Responses)
  1. HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN

    AND YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE?

    MIDGETS. I DON'T THINK OF THEM AS REAL PEOPLE. LOOK AT THEM. ALL SMALL-HANDED. THEY HAVE TO WALK TWICE AS FAR AS EVERYONE ELSE. AND THEY STINK. THEY ALL MAKE LIFE HARDER FOR THE REST OF US. LIKE WHEN YOU WALK INTO A BATHROOM SOMEWHERE AND SMASH YOUR SHIN ON A LITTLE STEP LADDER TO THE URINAL. PLUS, MIDGETS LIKE TO STEAL GOLD AND JEWELRY. AND THEY STINK. EVER TRY WALKING ONE ON A LEASH? DON'T. IT'S A REAL BITCH. THEY GET ALL WORKED UP AND START FLAILING ABOUT LIKE A TERRIBLE 2'S TODDLER. IT'S THE WORST THING EVER. AND THEY STINK. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY SHOULD BE BANISHED TO NEW ZEALAND. THEY'D FIT IN PERFECTLY SINCE LORD OF THE RINGS WAS FILMED THERE I THINK. SO IF THEY EVER MADE MORE MOVIES, THEY'D HAVE FREE MIDGET LABOR. PLENTY OF MIDGETS TO CHOOSE FROM FOR ACTING, OR SCRUBBING TOILETS. BUT DEFINITELY NOT FOR BANGING. KEEP YOUR WANGS OUT OF MIDGETS. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE OF THEM.

    April 3, 2012 at 1:53 am |
    • Strawberry Moonbeam McGillicutty

      You are a horrible person with your insane and bigotted rant against little people! People like you disgust me! If it weren't for these kind and warm people you so dispise, I could not toss midgets at my favorite pub in Australia! So shut up already!

      April 3, 2012 at 1:57 am |
    • just sayin

      Midget tossing is quite fun to be honest. Besides, who would dress up like elves if we didnt have midgets? Midgets are like clowns..they freak us out but we need them to laugh.

      April 4, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
  2. mmi16

    It is easy to see who are trying to make thoughtful comments and who are talking out of their anal oriface!

    April 3, 2012 at 1:15 am |
    • Mirror Mirror

      Oh, such wonderful irony!

      April 3, 2012 at 1:19 am |
    • HEAVENBENT

      Your comment is so thoughtful and things. Thanks for your solemn input.

      April 3, 2012 at 1:19 am |
    • derp

      Maybe jesus hates Koreans

      April 3, 2012 at 10:57 am |
  3. Alam

    It's really really painful!

    April 3, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • Bob Loblaw

      Preparation H might help

      April 3, 2012 at 1:17 am |
  4. oscar wilder

    When a person dies all sense of a personal self disappears. The brain creates the sense of unique separate self. When you don't have a brain anymore, the 'you' is gone. There is no heaven and hell. We are all part of the eternal consciousness.

    April 3, 2012 at 12:43 am |
    • Moonflatulence Batding

      That's really groovy, man. I am seeing a lot of colorful trails coming from your words, man, and it's blowing my mind!

      April 3, 2012 at 1:07 am |
  5. 0BS3RVER

    Not good.

    April 2, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
  6. Jay

    Rest in peace.

    April 2, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • Tommy Walker

      Why do people say that? It matches nobodies theories about what happens after death. To a Hindu or a Buddhist expecting reincarnation and samsara, rest and peace make no sense. To a Jew, Christian or Muslim, the afterlife is not about rest. To an atheist or other non-believer, you just stop, so it's not rest, and peaceful or not peaceful is not an option. It doesn't match ancient Greek or Roman or Babylonia notions either.

      Just wondering. I am not deriding your good intent in saying it.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
    • Mark

      Tommy, true, though I doubt it was really meant to be taken literally.

      April 3, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Wikipedia has an article on it, but it's not the most well written document ever. My guess – some xtians believe that the body gets to meet back up with the soul on judgement day – so maybe people are wishing for peace while waiting around to get judged.

      April 3, 2012 at 1:27 am |
  7. juudas

    The father, the ho and the b@star! son failed again. "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Gospel of Matthew 10:34). This is your brain on christianity.

    April 2, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • Alan

      You have no respect for anyone including yourself.

      April 3, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • derp

      "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"

      A sword and a glock 9.

      April 3, 2012 at 10:59 am |
  8. sunnymurchison

    An absurd tragedy. I love and hold dear my many wonderful Korean brothers and sisters in Christ at Fuller Theological Seminary, Pasadena, California.

    April 2, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • derp

      Too bad jesus just murdered seven of your friends.

      April 3, 2012 at 10:59 am |
  9. Last Call

    The families of these college students who died are grieving their loss. Put yourselves in their place and have a heart and pray for them.

    April 2, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • Danny

      If you want to help, call them or send some money for a burial.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
    • just sayin

      I wonder what they are asking their God?

      April 4, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
  10. toddsaed

    it is shocking how CNN allows obscene hate comments to appear uncensored, and those pushing ignorant political or religous beliefs, this is not democracy, local papers do better at deleting sick comments, why is that? C NN said North Korea and the DMZ was the most dangerous place in the world , and had a loaded poll that said there was a fifty three percent chance of war, war mongering, after the shelling of the Korean island. SInce then peace has reached no heights on the Korean penisula, summit meetings, and CNN is exposed as a one percenter shill, bought and paid for by corporate fascists, even though it is better than the crazed frothing dogs at Fox news, that is saying nothing

    April 2, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • Tortfeasor

      Did you know that more Koreans beat their wives than any other country in the world??? That's a real statistic(measured per capita, of course). The virginia tech shooter was also korean.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • peoplearecrazy

      the cost of freedom of speech is loss of dignity (for everybody).

      April 2, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
  11. GET A LIFE YOU PEOPLE

    get overselves NONE OF YOU CAN SEE IN A CRYSTAL BALL! sooo your wishful thinking is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUIT INSTIGATING HATE AND TROUBLE ON THIS BLOG!!!!!!!!!CANT WAIT TILL THEY FIX IT SOOO PEOPLE OF THE LIKES OF YOU ARE PUT OFF THESE SITES......

    April 2, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Melvin Purvis

      Are you referring to anything in particular, or have you transcended meaning and achieved pure free-form rant, unconnected to any underlying issue?

      April 2, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • mickey1313

      so, if people dont like what you are saying they should be banned. The 1st amendment clearly alows for speech that is unpopular and inflamatory. CNN is trying to be fair by allowing both sides to spew there vitrol. There are plenity of christians and other thiests who spout hate, you cannot block one side and not the other. BTW, when those comments get through, it is because those spouting hate know how to type so the auto censors cannot see it.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • Tortfeasor

      WHITE POWER!!!!

      April 2, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
  12. Always Amazed At What People Will Believe

    "Deborah Lee, who was in an English language class at the time, said she heard five to six gunshots at first. "The teacher said, 'Run,' and we run," she said. "I was OK, because I know God protects me."

    God protects Christians in the same incident where 7 Christians are shot dead and three more are injured. What a miracle that is.

    April 2, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • Bryan

      Being "protected by God" does not necessarily mean being protected from being shot or killed. Many Christians understand this.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • HEAVENBENT

      Bryan.

      Your comment is stupid. That's like saying bullet-proof vests don't protect against the same bullets all the time. "Sometimes, they decide to let a couple bullets through, you know, because it wants the wearer dead."

      You're dumb as a goddamn brick.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Bryan

      HEAVENBENT, you missed the point.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • HEAVENBENT

      No, I get the point. Basically you're justifying "god's will" which you have no fucking clue about.

      April 3, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • HEAVENBENT

      When people like you make your flight on time, you yell "PRAISE GOD!!"

      But when an earthquake hits and a tsunami kills hundreds of thousands... it's "god's will."

      That right there is the christian way. You people are PAINFULLY stupid. You do not deserve the air that you breathe. I really wish they'd tax morons for breathing air.

      April 3, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • Bryan

      Who else do you hate, heavenbent? Get it all out now before another tragedy like this one occurs.

      April 3, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • Anonymous Coward

      I do have to wonder, any time I see one of these incidents where someone says "I knew God would protect me" ... why did God want all those other people dead? When a survivor of a sinking ship credits God I have to wonder why that same God would drown little babies. It seriously makes no sense to me.

      April 3, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • HEAVENBENT

      Bryan, way to skirt around the issue, fuckstick. Go pray or something.

      April 3, 2012 at 1:31 am |
    • derp

      "I was OK, because I know God protects me."

      The seven dead people thought that too....except they were wrong.

      April 3, 2012 at 11:02 am |
  13. Aaron Santos

    Jesus was JEWISH! He was a Jew. He was never a Christian. After his death the Catholic Church invented "Christianity"
    claiming that Jesus was a messeger who created Christianity. It's a total lie! Jesus was JEWISH! Scammers invented the fake religion of Christianity. DO YOUR RESEARCH AND YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS TRUE THAT JESUS WAS A JEW! Christianity was build upon a lie and the religion is full of lies. Just look at how many new Christian churchs pop up everday claiming to be the "true church." Just last week I was approached by some Mormon missionaries and I said to them: "There are so many Christian churchs that it isn't even funny. What makes your church any more true than the next one? They are all frauds! Jesus was a Jew! Do your research before you try to sell me your beliefs." I do respect all people of all religions but it is so annoying to see people claim that Jesus was the founder of Christianity when he never claimed to be a Christian in the first place. JESUS WAS JEWISH!

    April 2, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Dave

      Aaron... feel all better now?..

      April 2, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • Z. Glass

      You could be right. But there is no way of knowing as he died thousands of years ago. I was raised a Catholic but in my mid-30s became a Buddhist. Buddhism is the religion for me.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Disciple

      Go away... this is a time of grieving =/

      April 2, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • skwinks

      yes, you're exactly correct, but this is prolly not the time/place to be on the right track, if you know what I mean.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • Clara

      Of course Jesus was Jewish, noone disputes that fact. Also, of course he was not a Christian. Christianity is based on the life of Jesus Christ. Only his followers are "Christ"ians.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • Mark

      I don't recall "Jewish" being a religion. Even the Bible states he was a Jew. I think you're arguing the wrong point.

      Furthermore, I don't think he'd call himself a member of his own faith when he is founder, you know? "Christ"ian? How can he follow himself? Perhaps you might want to read up a bit more before posting.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • Philologus

      Thank you Clara for bringing clara-fication 😉 to this rant by Aaron. You are clearly correct. Aaron: You would perhaps become better informed simply by thinking through what Clara wrote, rationally comparing it to what you wrote, and then applying some logic. (But take a deep breath first.)

      April 2, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • Stephanie

      Yes, Jesus was Jewish, "WE" His followers are "Christ"ians...those who follow Christ. Thanks

      April 2, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • Last Call

      YES, Jesus was Jewish. He was the Messiah – Yeshua!

      April 2, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • mickey1313

      jesus is mythology with nothing to stand behind it. All thiests are at best ignorant, but mostly a nice blend of crazy and stupid.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Ralph

      Aaron is completely correct....amen brother.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • Philologus

      Dear Mickey, I challenge you to do a little academic reading of real books, even those written by non-theists, and you will find that no thinking person asserts that Jesus did not exist. Actually there is more and stronger evidence that Jesus lived than of historically accepted facts such as Hannibal taking elephants into northern Italy through the Alps. The issue is whether Jesus was who and what he said - or not. But just to clarify (and reiterate) here: Your declaration that Jesus is mythological is silliness, as no thinking intellectual - not even the most staunch academic atheists - claim that this person known as Jesus did not really live. Please, check it out for yourself.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
    • Philologus

      Dear Mickey, P.S.: I notice your statement, "All thiests are at best ignorant" shows your own ignorance. The theists who are over the age of 10 that I know are not ignorant of how to spell theist.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • Geoff

      Hi Arron, Jesus is the founder of Christianity in that he brought new understanding and insight about God and his relationship to us.So although he was born from a Jewish family, he sought to change the Jewish views and traditions. So his followers eventually became known as Christians, those who follow his teaching which differed from the Jewish teaching & tradition. The reason why new churches continue to spring up through the ages is that, as in science we continue to deepen our understanding,and so change our view, also our understanding of God and spiritual matters is growing and deepening.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
    • gister

      your argument has a fallacy which undermines your post completely. I don't deny that Jesus was a Jew, but he transcended to another level and thus went to a point to where no Jew had ever gone which is why he can no longer be considered solely a Jew. If he were solely a Jew, he would've followed the Jewish ways and remained not as the inventor or creator of Christianity. The Catholics didn't create Christianity, the Catholics were always based on Christianity. The word 'christian' wasn't even invented by the Catholics; it was a name people started identifying the followers of Jesus with and first originated in the city of Antioch.

      Dude you better do your research. Religion is the essence of culture, Jesus is the essence of culture, not the other way around. Christianity is the essence of catholicism not catholicism the essence of Christianity.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • HEAVENBENT

      All that time wasted typing about some guy that probably never existed. How's that make you feel?

      April 3, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      Jesus was a reformist Jew. What we would today refer to as a Moslem.

      April 3, 2012 at 2:09 am |
    • derp

      "Dear Mickey, I challenge you to do a little academic reading of real books, even those written by non-theists, and you will find that no thinking person asserts that Jesus did not exist. Actually there is more and stronger evidence that Jesus lived"

      Interestingly, there is no mention whatsoever in either Roman or Jewish records during jesus purported lifetime that he existed at all. Both the Romans and the Jews of that period kept meticulous public records. Nothing on jesus though. The only records of jesus life come starting around thirty years after his "death".

      April 3, 2012 at 11:06 am |
  14. Lightfoot

    I am so sad for the kids and their families affiliated with this college. Even sadder is that a bunch of self rightous idiots want to use this moment in time to talk about themselves and their beliefs. If you had any decency, you would simply extend your thoughts, prayers (whatever religion you believe in) and good will to all affected by this tragedy. Some of your anonymous comments make me feel sorry for you.

    April 2, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Thunderbolt

      Thank you for using this moment in time to talk about yourself and your beliefs.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • derp

      You say.....

      "Even sadder is that a bunch of self rightous idiots want to use this moment in time to talk about themselves and their beliefs"

      and then you say.....

      "If you had any decency, you would simply extend your thoughts, prayers"

      Idiot jesustard logic fail.

      April 3, 2012 at 11:09 am |
  15. KHK

    Do you really believe Jesus was " omnipotent,omni-benevolent and superem being". If so ,you need to go to Kashmir India and see his grave with your own eyes.

    April 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Dave

      LOL.... and, you know this , how?

      April 2, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • JoethePlumber

      That Jesus the gardener, not the Messiah. Common mistake though.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
    • Tex71

      I have been there. The grave is marked by a stone in which are seen the footprints of Jesus, allegedly burned into the rock by the holiness of the divine feet. The prints measure almost 3 feet long and were obviously chiseled by monks with only a rudimentary level of stoneworking skill, being much less convincing than even the crudest Bigfoot prints in circulation.
      None of this detracts at all from the spiritual value of any religious tradition (in all fairness, the monks at the shrine very likely ascribe a symbolic value to the stone and are well aware that the footprints are metaphorical), but it is a perfect example of how idiotic it is to adhere to a literalist, fundamentalist tradition.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
    • mickey1313

      joetheplumber, um there was no savior named jesus. The name is hosana, and he hasnt come to earth yet. I find if funny that fools that believe in fairy tales, dont even know the lit. within there fairytale. They just believe what there leaders tell them and blindly follow. I live my life with both eyes open, it is sad that all thiest live there lives with eyes wide shut.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • derp

      "being much less convincing than even the crudest Bigfoot prints in circulation"

      How apropos, since the christ myth and the bigfoot myth are equally likely to be true.

      April 3, 2012 at 11:10 am |
  16. Pam

    The horror of what happened today in Oakland should not be attributed to any religion but to darkness in the soul of the shooter. I strongly suggest Andrew Sullivan's piece in Newsweek's Easter Week edition, the cover of includes the headline of "Forget the Church and Follow Him". The teachings of Jesus, even stripped of miracles, including the Resurrection, still offer a radical path for living. An invitation to be a true follower of Christ.

    April 2, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      Hi there Pam!

      1. Is it not written that people are labourers together with God?

      2. Is it not written that we are God's Husbandry?

      3. Is it not also written tyhat we, our bodies are the Buildings that God and His Godly Beings inhabit?

      April 2, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • HEAVENBENT

      god doesn't exist.

      religion is to blame for all tragedy.

      April 3, 2012 at 1:33 am |
  17. Jayzers

    Is this University affiliated by finances or doctrine to the Rev. Sung Myung Moon?
    The Unification Church ?

    April 2, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Philologus

      No, silly. So, are all Koreans of faith "moonies" to you?

      April 2, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
  18. tan

    IF KOREANS WERE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND BIBLE PROPERLY THEY WOULD NEVER BE CHRISTIANS IN THE FIRST PLACE AS JESUS NEVER UTTERED THE WORD CHRISTIAN OR CHRISTIANITY IN THE BIBLE. NOT EVEN IN ONE SINGLE VERSE IN THE BIBLE HAS JESUS UTTERED THIS WORD. THE RED LETTERED VERSION OF KING JAMES WERE JESUS WORDS ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED , JESUS NEVER UTTERED THE WORD CHRISTIAN, CHRIST OR CHRISTIANITY. WHEN JESUS ARRIVES TO THIS PLANET ON HIS SECOND COMING WHEN U CALL HIM JESUS OR TELL HIM THAT HE IS A CHRISTIAN HE WILL BE OBLIVIOUS AND IN FIRST PLACE NEVER TURN BACK AND LOOK AS HIS NAME WAS ESSA AND NOT JESUS

    April 2, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Brian

      With your crap grammar, I'd be surprised if YOU even interpreted the bible correctly. By the way, Christianity is latin for "Christ" or the "anointed one" and therefore, the religious view of Christianity is just the belief of Christ. If you were an omnipotent, omni- benevolent supreme being, would you CARE what people called you as long as they genuinely believed it was you? I'm not even religious lmao that's the funny thing. Your logic = flawed.

      April 2, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • concordance

      (Acts 11:26) . . .it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.
      (Acts 26:28) 28 But A·grip′pa said to Paul: “In a short time you would persuade me to become a Christian.”
      (1 Peter 4:16) 16 But if [he suffers] as a Christian, let him not feel shame, but let him keep on glorifying God in this name.

      April 2, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Dave

      Actually Tan.... it was Yeshua. Thank you though.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Tom

      So what exactly are you trying to whine about? Koreans can't read and understand bible? The fact that Jesus never called Christianity as "Christianity"? Or that everyone is calling Jesus by the wrong name? Well....tan.....when you meet Jesus on his second coming, make sure you call him by "Essa" and not "Jesus" so that he won't be oblivious to you and won't turn his back on you. Oh....and lose the caps.

      April 2, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Philologus

      Dear Tan, Just as one of over a dozen counters to your (sic) logic: In the red lettered edition of the King James bible, does it say Jesus had a nose? No. Per your logic then Jesus had no nose. And does the red lettered edition mention "Tan"? No. Per your logic you do not exist. (Please bear with me just one more time...) Does the red lettered KJV edition include the phrase "King James version", or "Bible", or "church"? No, no, and (verily, verily, I say again unto thee...) no. Therefore... well... you get the point by now. Right?

      April 2, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    April 2, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • zooni

      Witches probably believe their practices can help people as well. Pray to Jesus to let you walk on water and watch your self fall in. You will know exactly how much your prays are answered.

      April 2, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • mikstov33

      Niether are guns in the hands of idiots and the mentally unstable(ref. Trayvon Martin, or in the not to distant past, Representative Giffords of Arizona....Columbine....).I could fill in an entire chapter of this book with events of just the past year.It is not an issue of the religious mindset of the perp or the victims, it is an issue of the true ills of this American society we live in.
      Yes, please pray for mental stability in the fragile unconscious environments some of our fellow citizens,or immigrants for that matter, are pre-destined to live in.

      April 2, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • just sayin

      It is written you shall not put the Lord your God to the test

      April 2, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Forgot

      Did the victims of today's shooting forget their prayers today?

      April 2, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Apatheist

      @Atheism is not healthy for children or other living things... AKA @just sayin

      you're an interesting fellow.... not too smart though.....

      April 2, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • just sayin

      This from a box of rocks

      April 2, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • mickey1313

      yes it does, for the worse. Religon brings out the worst aspects of humanity.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • derp

      I would have to assume then that seven people who originally were going to not get killed yesterday, reversed course and prayed that they would be killed.

      Because as you say, prayer changes things.

      April 3, 2012 at 11:13 am |
  20. Marly

    Like most things people get involved in, the details get in the way of the true goal. Trues Christians know they need not defend their religion or what they believe. Those who come here to wish ill on those who are religious simply show the world would not be improved without religion. Those who truly want a better world would act in ways that would create a better world. Any death is a loss and these are a loss too.

    April 2, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Aaron

      If there were no religious people there would be nobody to wish ill upon and thus the world would improve. I'm Korean but I am against many people's interpretations of the Bible and I wish that people like Rick Santorum would shut the hell up and follow the values and ideas upon which this country was founded. He is making this country a more divided and unpleasant place to live.

      April 2, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      @ Aaron,,,,

      I am an American individual Aaron and from what I know this United States of America was built upon the principles of Christendom. I do not know where you get such an infanticidal idea the U.S.A. is not a nation of religious personage!,,,

      April 2, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Fred

      "Infanticidal?" How embarrassing. Lay off the pipe.

      April 2, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • HEAVENBENT

      religion is the source of all pain and suffering. You're welcome.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
    • derp

      "I do not know where you get such an infanticidal idea the U.S.A. is not a nation of religious personage!,"

      Maybe that John Quincy Adams guy who while president signed a treaty that said....

      "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

      Ih, and maybe the house and senate who ratified the treaty.

      April 3, 2012 at 11:19 am |
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