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Your Take: Comments on New York city schools banning ‘loaded words’ from tests
New York City's education department is looking to ban the word "dinosaur" from standardized tests, with some speculating it's because the word could offend creationists.
April 2nd, 2012
10:56 AM ET

Your Take: Comments on New York city schools banning ‘loaded words’ from tests

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – Anger boiled over in many of the comments on our recent post about the New York City Department of Education aiming to ban “loaded words,” including “dinosaur” and “birthdays” from standardized school tests, many of them apparently over religious sensitivities:

sarah
Oh-crying-out-loud!!! Stop worrying so much about offending people and get back to teaching!!! This is why every other nation is outranking us in education!!!

snowunbelievable.. lets add new words to the list… starting with "education" and "future"... geez!

Others raised questions about whether eliminating these words on tests would just mean these words would offend people more in their day-to-day lives:

angelis
If the kids won't encounter these words in school (where they are supposed to get basic learning/guidance on society & culture), I wonder how it'll be like for them someday if they hear/read these "banned" words elsewhere?

CalBob
The Stanford prof is right. Education is not supposed to be "warm and fuzzy." It should make us uncomfortable and make us think. Dinosaurs making fundamentalists uncomfortable? Give me a break. Teaching that there were no dinosaurs isn't education, it's ignorance.

Many extrapolated from the story to decry what they said was a larger problem with political correctness and censorship:

patriarchae
On the topic of censorship as a whole, it is an outrageous irony. They censor words because a few in our diverse melting pot of culture may get "offended," but sheltering them from these "offensive" things only serves to further divides between us. So what if Jehovah's Witnesses may get "offended" by the word "birthdays?” They live in a country where the majority of people celebrate birthdays so they HAVE to learn how to deal with it and grow some skin. They have no choice.

Scott
This is one of the most upsetting things I've read in the news today. Schools, teachers, and parents need to stop coddling kids. They are the reason our lower education system is so lacking. Specifically, we need to raise the standards and stop sheltering our children from scary things like the unknown, new ideas, and personal failure. Otherwise, they will be unprepared for the REAL world, and our country will fall further behind than it already has!

Though few and far between, some people did support the measure, with caveats:

Dick Tilton
After writing a serious rant about all this, I reconsidered: This is – hopefully – about improving effectiveness in standardized testing, NOT about limiting pepperoni from school curricula. The goal of standardized testing is to effectively measure performance and/or knowledge. In order to do so effectively, the tests must work accurately and fairly for the population to be tested. This means removing cultural, social and religious references wherever possible. In the classroom, however, this kind of political correctness would be a disaster. All parents need to be vigilant to make sure our kids are shown the world the way it really is, and educated to come to their own conclusions about what's offensive.

And then there was this commenter:

GAW
In the words of that great philosopher Charlie Brown "Good Grief."

- Dan Merica

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  1. The Meta View In The Subject

    What an endless freak show religion is!

    I find it amusing that so many people base their lifes and thinking on the totally evidence-free superstitions of ignorant uneducated peasants in the Bronze Age Middle East, and then angrily reject any paradigm based on rigorously tested theories and supportable tangible evidence.

    The majority of Americans reject solid evidence in favor of pure superstition. Doesn't say much for the average American, does it?

    April 2, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • VanHagar

      Thanks for sharing that. We're all better people now that we know you're so much better than us.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • The Meta View In The Subject

      There's one who could not refute the basic point and had to cop out to ad hominem instead. Any other takers?

      April 2, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • VanHagar

      @Meta...don't confuse "would" and "could." I've addressed the issue you've described many times on this blog, and I don't have to explain it every time one of you atheists try to establish your purported superiority.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • The Meta View In The Subject

      Cop out. You have never answered this question.

      Go ahead and point us to it, or better yet, cut and paste it here for all to see, with a reference to the story and page so we can ensure you are not lying.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • VanHagar

      You're new here right?

      April 2, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • The Meta View In The Subject

      Still avoiding the question? I am so surprised.

      Just a nice little cut-and-paste would easily support your claim. So easy, yet you don't. Hmmmmmm.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • VanHagar

      Not avoiding anything, just don't feel obliged to respond substantively to someone who begins his post with associating me with a freak show. You've already poisoned the well for any reasonable debate. As for the cut and paste job–really? You want me to try and find a prior post in some already forgotten articles at some unknown page number(s)? If I had that much time on my hands I'd be unemployed.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • HillBilly Bob

      Congratulations! You failed to address the subject at hand, failed to provide any evidence of your purported "earlier answer", and you copped-out to ad hominem in every single post. Bravo! Well done.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • VanHagar

      Hillbilly....I did address the issue–Meta's snobby and snotty post.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
  2. lastofall

    Since the time political correctness was established, it [the concept thereof] began the downfall with much of everything, including education.

    April 2, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Actually I always percieved it in Darwinian terms.

      As long as you don't believe it, it CAN be usefull.

      Anything you can do to give yourself an advantage is a really good idea. Its the other yahoos' who buy into it that have to pay a price.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  3. Reality

    As noted: "References used are available upon request" i.e. the references used to update the Apostles' Creed are:

    o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.
    2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
    – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–

    30-60 CE Passion Narrative
    40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
    50-60 1 Thessalonians
    50-60 Philippians
    50-60 Galatians
    50-60 1 Corinthians
    50-60 2 Corinthians
    50-60 Romans
    50-60 Philemon
    50-80 Colossians
    50-90 Signs Gospel
    50-95 Book of Hebrews
    50-120 Didache
    50-140 Gospel of Thomas
    50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
    50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
    65-80 Gospel of Mark
    70-100 Epistle of James
    70-120 Egerton Gospel
    70-160 Gospel of Peter
    70-160 Secret Mark
    70-200 Fayyum Fragment
    70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
    73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
    80-100 2 Thessalonians
    80-100 Ephesians
    80-100 Gospel of Matthew
    80-110 1 Peter
    80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
    80-130 Gospel of Luke
    80-130 Acts of the Apostles
    80-140 1 Clement
    80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
    80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
    80-250 Christian Sibyllines
    90-95 Apocalypse of John
    90-120 Gospel of John
    90-120 1 John
    90-120 2 John
    90-120 3 John
    90-120 Epistle of Jude
    93 Flavius Josephus
    100-150 1 Timothy
    100-150 2 Timothy
    100-150 T-itus
    100-150 Apocalypse of Peter
    100-150 Secret Book of James
    100-150 Preaching of Peter
    100-160 Gospel of the Ebionites
    100-160 Gospel of the Nazoreans
    100-160 Shepherd of Hermas
    100-160 2 Peter

    3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
    – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"
    4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
    5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
    6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
    7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
    8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
    joezias.com/HealthHealingLandIsrael.htm
    9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.
    continued below:

    April 2, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Reality

      10. The Gnostic Jesus
      (Part One in a Two-Part Series on Ancient and Modern Gnosticism)
      by Douglas Groothuis: equip.org/free/DG040-1.htm
      11. The interpretation of the Bible in the Church, Pontifical Biblical Commission
      Presented on March 18, 1994
      ewtn.com/library/CURIA/PBCINTER.HTM#2
      12. The Jesus Database- newer site:
      wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?t-itle=Jesus_Database
      13. Jesus Database with the example of Supper and Eucharist:
      faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb016.html
      14. Josephus on Jesus by Paul Maier:
      mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
      15. The Journal of Higher Criticism with links to articles on the Historical Jesus:
      mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
      16. The Greek New Testament: laparola.net/greco/

      April 2, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Reality

      Continued from above:

      17. Diseases in the Bible:
      etd.unisa.ac.za/ETD-db/theses/available/etd-08022006-125807/unrestricted/02dissertation.pdf
      18. Religion on Line (6000 articles on the history of religion, churches, theologies,
      theologians, ethics, etc.
      religion-online.org/
      19. The Jesus Seminarians and their search for NT authenticity:
      mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
      20. The New Testament Gateway – Internet NT ntgateway.com/
      21. Writing the New Testament- existing copies, oral tradition etc.
      ntgateway.com/
      22. The Search for the Historic Jesus by the Jesus Seminarians:
      members.aol.com/DrSwiney/seminar.html
      23. Jesus Decoded by Msgr. Francis J. Maniscalco (Da Vinci Code review)jesusdecoded.com/introduction.php
      24. JD Crossan's scriptural references for his book the Historical Jesus separated into time periods: faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan1.rtf
      25. JD Crossan's conclusions about the authencity of most of the NT based on the above plus the conclusions of other NT exegetes in the last 200 years:
      faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan2.rtf

      April 2, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Reality

      Continued from above:

      26. Common Sayings from Thomas's Gospel and the Q Gospel: faithfutures.org/Jesus/Crossan3.rtf
      27. Early Jewish Writings- Josephus and his books by t-itle with the complete translated work in English :earlyjewishwritings.com/josephus.html
      28. Luke and Josephus- was there a connection?
      infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/lukeandjosephus.html
      29. NT and beyond time line:
      pbs.org/empires/peterandpaul/history/timeline/
      30. St. Paul's Time line with discussion of important events:
      harvardhouse.com/prophetictech/new/pauls_life.htm
      31. See http://www.amazon.com for a list of JD Crossan's books and those of the other Jesus Seminarians: Reviews of said books are included and selected pages can now be viewed on Amazon. Some books can be found on-line at Google Books.
      32. Father Edward Schillebeeckx's words of wisdom as found in his books.
      33. The books of the following : Professors Marcus Borg, Paula Fredriksen, Elaine Pagels, Karen Armstrong and Bishop NT Wright.
      34. Father Raymond Brown's An Introduction to the New Testament, Doubleday, NY, 1977, 878 pages, with Nihil obstat and Imprimatur.
      35. Luke Timothy Johnson's book The Real Jesus

      April 2, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
  4. GodsPeople

    No matter how many times Fallacy Spotting actually posts spam, this whole situation is absolute insanity. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together (and while that may not include a lot of evangelicals, it does include most of us who are non-evangelical Christians, ie. Catholic and Orthodox) knows that dinosaurs existed, don't find "home computer" or "birthday" offensive (birthday MIGHT be to Jehova's Witnesses, but those people are nuts anyway, like mormons.) Hell, Christian Science (which does exist and staffs some wonderous minds) helps to carbon date bones to know what age range they are in. Where I'm from, we have Dinosaur Valley State Park just an hour or so away, and I've been there many times over. This is just nuts. Stop the political correctness and liberalism already!

    April 2, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      I'm curious – why, exactly, are mormons "nuts"?

      April 2, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Are you implying some of your fellow chosen people are actually idiots?

      If so I recomend you copywrite Jeebus, because your faith seems to attract those whom evolution has left behind.

      Must be frustrating to watch the lunatics who are using your God to drag this world into the toilet.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      Because, from what I understand about mormonism, when they die, they get their own planet. Seriously? What kind of crackhead thinks of something like that.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      And that is weirder than eating flesh and drink blood ... how?

      April 2, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • Reality

      THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD

      Joe Smith, the founder of the Mormom Church had his Moroni.

      "Latter-day Saints i.e. Mormoms also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".

      newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      For added information see the review at:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

      April 2, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @William: I'm more than happy to admit when someone is a complete idiot. Yes, it does annoy the ever loving hell out of me for stupid people to call themselves Christians and pretend to represent the Christian faith. Unfortunately, there are far more stupid people than there are of me. However, I can say Christianity isn't alone. There are annoying idiots in every walk of life.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Facepalm: Can you honestly say that when you cut your finger, you don't immediately suck on it? Because if you do, then you're a liar, since that's a normal human response. Instinctive. "Eat this bread, for this is My flesh. Drink this wine, for this is My blood." This is all symbolic. It is not truly blood, but is blessed to represent the body and blood of Jesus Christ that was hung up on a cross and desecrated for the sins of you and I. Read into symbolism. The bible is full of symbols that aren't meant to be taken literally, but are meant to be puzzled and figured out.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      "This is all symbolic. It is not truly blood"

      Holy epic catechism fail, batman. You obviously don't understand this most basic principle of the Catholic faith. Get thee to thy local parish for some basic education. To the Catholic church, there is nothing symbolic in the least to the Eucharist.

      And sucking on on'e cut finger isn't exactly the same as ritualistically eating someone else's flesh. Normal people might suck on a cut (for it's soothing abilities). Vampires and Catholics drink other people's blood.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Bob

      So GP, how do you decide which parts to take literally, and which not to? And why did god obfuscate things so much? Seems a real deity would be able to make himself more clea, but apparently the god that you've made for yourself is a little weak and flaccid in a few departments like that.

      Some of the nastier demands of your god are pretty clear, though. Take this one for example:
      "Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

      and then there are the explicit instructions from god for you to do animal sacrifice. It's a bit hard to accept that those aren't intended to be taken literally. Note that the bible is very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes your sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      April 2, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Bob

      *clear*

      April 2, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Facepalm: Actually, you're incorrect on, well, everything. Even the Catholics recognize it as symbolic of the blood and flesh of Christ. Nobody (except maybe the southern baptists) is crazy enough to try to say it actually IS. I actually attended Catholic RCIA and the Catholic Church prior to changing to the Antiochian (Eastern) Orthodox. Yes, in the Orthodox also, it's symbolic. Communion is required , and one's soul must be cleansed of sin prior (Catholics use Confessional, we pray straight to God for forgiveness). Nice try though.

      @Bob: Common sense tells you which parts to take literally. An example of this is where Jesus tells the Jews that while Moses did tell them to give their wives a certificate of divorce and their marriage would be over, he said this was because their hearts were hardened to their wives, not because it was in accordance with God's will, as it wasn't. He went on to say that anyone who divorces seeks to commit adultery and anyone who marries a divorced woman forces her to commit adultery. This is a literal statement, as there is no way to take it symbolically. Now, we'll use the Baptism of Christ as a symbolic example. After John baptises Jesus, a dove flies down and a thunderous voice echos, "This is My Son, and I am well pleased with Him." Of course, the dove represents God's love and pleasure at the acceptance of baptism and fate that Jesus shows, but the dove is not, itself, God. Many of the Parables of Jesus are symbolic, not literal, as Divine Truth is for men to figure out FROM the teachings, not to be given straight to men. It's not that God is either "weak" or "flacid," but instead instructs His creations to think.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Christian Scientists are just as, if not more nutty than Mormons.
      Mary Baker Eddy was a dangerous charlattan who went about trying to convince people that everyone can heal the sick like Jesus did. All you have to do is believe hard enough – oh, and buy her book.
      Pray away your cancer! Pray away HIV, broken bones, massive head trauma.
      Jehovah's Witnesses refuse blood transfusions, but Christian Scientists reject medicine outright.
      Hey diabetics, let Jesus be your insulin!

      April 2, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @GP,

      Don't know who educated you, but they failed massively. Here's some help, right from the official website of the catholic church:

      "The doctrine of the Real Presence asserts that in the Holy Eucharist, Jesus is literally and wholly present—body and blood"

      And from the catechism itself:

      1375 It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ's body and blood that Christ becomes present in this sacrament. The Church Fathers strongly affirmed the faith of the Church in the efficacy of the Word of Christ and of the action of the Holy Spirit to bring about this conversion. Thus St. John Chrysostom declares:

      It is not man that causes the things offered to become the Body and Blood of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself. The priest, in the role of Christ, pronounces these words, but their power and grace are God's. This is my body, he says. This word transforms the things offered.204
      And St. Ambrose says about this conversion:

      Be convinced that this is not what nature has formed, but what the blessing has consecrated. The power of the blessing prevails over that of nature, because by the blessing nature itself is changed. . . . Could not Christ's word, which can make from nothing what did not exist, change existing things into what they were not before? It is no less a feat to give things their original nature than to change their nature.205

      Don't feel bad, though. Nearly half of Catholics don't understand or don't believe in this most-fundamental doctrine.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      BTW – what you refer to is known as consubstantiation – that the conversion is symbolic. Catholicism preaches transubstantiation – that the wine and wafer is actually, physically transformed. For some more education, get thee to a dictionary. From Merriam-Webster:

      1: an act or instance of transubstantiating or being transubstantiated
      2: the miraculous change by which according to Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox dogma the eucharistic elements at their consecration become the body and blood of Christ while keeping only the appearances of bread and wine

      April 2, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • J.W

      I don't find any belief system nuts personally. Everyone has their own reason for believing what they believe.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Doc: I said "some." Everywhere gets fruitcakes. Actually, check out Christian Science Monitor. I used to read it (when I could afford the subscription) and they talk about medicine all the time. Heck, even God said somewhere in the Old Testament (I don't have my bible with me) to listen to your doctor.

      @Facepalm: If they're teaching that it's in the last 2 years. My mother was raised Catholic (she's 62 and knows it inside and out) and I actually decided to become Catholic a few years back (I'm going on 35 and just recently converted) and studied all of this stuff. Also, my old priest (Father Nick VERY good man, God bless his soul) actually taught my RCIA class after Mass, and explained this very thoroughly.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Kutcher

      godspeople-didn't your profit promise u 72 virgins? why do pretend you are a christian? you fool.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      The catechism hasn't change. If you want to know what the RCC actually teaches, go read the catechism, don't ask your mother. Just google 'transubstantiation' or go to catholic.com. I'm not making this up – I'm using the church's own information and the actual catechism. Sorry you're so misinformed – but again, that lumps you with about half of all Catholics.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Valley park

      Coming to a mosque near you godspeople. What a loathsome LIAR!

      April 2, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Observer

      Look, facepalm has an animated chat with itself godspeople, If only you didn't try so hard..

      April 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Since having your belief bubble popped isn't always easy, I'll help. The authority on what the RCC officially teaches is the catechsim – not your mom, and not the local parish preist. Do yourself a favor, read on what your religion actually teaches before going off on other religions as crazy. Here's a start:

      http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a3.htm

      Specifically, the section titled: The presence of Christ by the power of his word and the Holy Spirit

      April 2, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      I fully admit to posting under a range of other handles. I am definitely not, however, @GodsPeople

      April 2, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @ValleyPark: huh? What on earth makes you think I'm a muzzie? Sorry, pure bred European Christian.

      @Facepalm: I'd assume after 30+ years of ministering, Father Nick MIGHT know what he's talking about. Admittedly I didn't stay in the Catholic Church long, and I haven't been Orthodox very long either. I'll have to talk to Reverend Father Baba about this and get clarification. Fortunately, I'm one of those people that, if I'm wrong about something, I'll happily admit it. Give me a couple of days to get clarification though.

      @Observer: Dude.. I'm not him. This is the only name I post under.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
  5. mandarax

    I guess they didn't have a news story for the Belief Blog today. Why didn't they run the story on human sacrifices to Santa Muerte in Mexico here? That is a belief story if I've ever seen one.

    April 2, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      Actually, I saw a news story on Stormfront that linked to I think the daily news in the UK where they found ritually sacrified babies in Russia.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
  6. William Demuth

    New York is Jeebuses Waterloo.

    To many cults, too little space, and of all the religions in the City, the Christians seem to control the least wealth.

    If they ever start teaching religion is their schools, Jeebus won't be mentioned.

    He seems to have a big market share where extended families include barnyard critters, but the Big Apple ain’t buying.

    April 2, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
  7. InHisHands

    I find it amazing that folks always won't to say comments such as most of the ones posted on here, yet any religious person must accept all the lies taught in schools. When the coin is flipped, they are the first to say their offended at a religious symbol around them. It is so sad that so many folks that mind to understand but not the heart to hear. Either you believe in God, or you BELIEVE all came from nothing. It all boils down to this. Most that don't believe in God, don't because they want to be the boss of their universe. Having said that, PUSHING anything down ANYONE's throat never helps, whether it be religion or false science. That's my issue with all of this. It's ok to teach bad science, but nothing that goes against modern day evolution. BTW, the word dinosaur hasn't been around long, they USED to be called dragons. OH yeah, I forgot, dragons are myth. True, if you change the TRUE meaning of what a dragon is. I really hate how bad science has brainwashed so many folks today.

    April 2, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Wow

      Please stay away from our public schools. If you want to make sure your own children don't receive a proper education that leaves them deficient when they want to enter the real world, good for you. Just stay away from my kids, please.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      Got your edjumacayshun in logic from the self proclaimed "All-Knowing, All-Caring" El Rushbo skrëwal of logic I see.

      BTW: Disclaimer and credit where credit is due, the word skrëwal is NOT mine. It is from El Mushbo himself on his Execellence In Buffoonery (EIB) nwetork.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Root post by 'InHisHands' contains instances of several common fallacies, including the False Dichotomy fallacy and multiple instances of circu-mstantial ad hominem and ad hominemfallacies, as well as a Straw Man argument.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      April 2, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • InHisHands had another vowel movement

      So your lobotomy had a few complications, did it? Don't worry, InHisHands – it's nothing a whole lot of lithium and thoraxine won't take care of.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • Nonimus

      " Either you believe in God, or you BELIEVE all came from nothing."
      ... or you believe in some other god
      ... or you believe in some other goddess
      ... or you believe in some other gods
      ... or you believe that we don't know yet
      ... or you believe that the Great Spirit created it all.
      ... or you believe Aditi birthed everything into existence
      ... or ...
      ... etc.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      False science? Evolution can't be disputed...there is verifiable evidence for it. Dinosaur's have never been called dragons. The word has been around since 1842 and dinosaurs roamed the planet approximately 230 million years ago...once again there is verifiable evidence for this. A dragon is defined as A mythical monster traditionally represented as a gigantic reptile having a lion's claws, the tail of a serpent, wings, and a scaly skin. That definition does not meld with the definition of dinosaur. Sadly you have failed to get past bible school and thus fail to live in the real world. Do you realize that it is due to non-believers that you even have access to come to a blog like this and spew your stupidity to the world? There is no such thing as bad science until you cross it with religion and try to make the two fit together. As previously stated, please stay away from the school system...we want educated children not delusional children.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      "Either you believe in God, or you BELIEVE all came from nothing."

      Then where did your god come from? You simply bumped the argument back a notch – you certainly didn't solve it.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • just sayin

      God is. The name God gave of Himself to Moses, I AM. God has always been. In the beginning God ... alpha and omega without beginning or end, eternal.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • just sayin

      Evolution remains an unproven theory.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      And the universe can't have just 'always existed' because ... why?

      And, as any high schooler can probably tell you, you don't prove a scientific theory. Evolution is as unproved as the various theories of gravity are unproven. But you'd have to actually understand what a scientific theory is to get that.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      Evolution is proven! We have verifiable evidence to prove it...look up Lucy. Evolution does not just involve humans. It involves every possible species going from the domestication of dogs and cats to plant life to sea life to our universe.
      Creation has been proven false. All creation does is teach that incest is okay and we know quite well that our laws state otherwise!

      April 2, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Prayer for the country

      God keep our land glorious ... prayer that is the Canadian national anthem. All Canadians honor God on a regular basis no matter what they would have you believe.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • just sayin

      Evolution remains an unproven theory no matter how many dinosaur bones you drag in.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • captain america

      So where are New York schools in Canada? There's your sign

      April 2, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • question

      "Either you believe in God, or you BELIEVE all came from nothing"

      Really? Those are my only two choices? blah blah blah blah blah. you know NOTHING...much like the rest of us.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • just sayin

      Gods are only as strong as their believers. When the believers dwindle...so does their god and we can find them in the section Mythology.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Real Math

      Guess that's why Christianity hasn't gone away like myth...it really happened. I don't even have to open a bible to prove Jesus lived either as his crucifixtion is marked in a history book written by a non-christian named Josephus. So, if he really existed Christ was either a madman, a liar, or was actually telling the truth. Madman he was not, if he was a liar pretty much everything he claimed actually happened (no include His own death), so that only leaves He was telling the truth. But that would be nonsense to an aetheist who hides from the truth when challenged.

      April 6, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
  8. Payers change things.

    Payers change things. Prayer is a waste of time.
    Proven.

    April 2, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • just sayin

      I am Heaven Sent to be all the people I post as here.

      Amen..

      April 2, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • just sayin

      Everybody wants to be me

      April 2, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
  9. Chunks for Thunking

    I take this opportunity to comment on your take on his take on their take on your take on your comments on CNN's blog about your comments on their blog about your comments on their blog about your comments.

    CNN, take a rest.

    April 2, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  10. GodsPeople

    Crazy $#@*. This is what comes from accepting "politcal correctness" and liberalism.

    April 2, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Root post is an instance of the circu-mstantial ad hominem fallacy.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      April 2, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Also

      Don't forget non sequitur

      April 2, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      I think I might find a parent who's kid works on the announcements and pay them to announce they got a home computer on their birthday, but it's a dinosaur.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • The Taught Police

      Whose who's are you hewing into hues? There are two tu's to your tutu too. It's time for its correct usage.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
  11. Alien Orifice

    Indoor plumbing is over-rated, and you are all invited to my book burning on Easter Sunday. BYOB (Bible)

    April 2, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • No Gods, No Masters

      No can do. The accumulated copies of the Bible, Quran, and Book of Mormon that people gave my daughter over the years (always with instructions not to tell me), all already went where they truly belonged – into a port-a-potty. Ashes to ashes, shit to shit.

      Easier on the environment – no CO2 emissions that way.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • No Gods, No Masters

      That's true by the way. I really do that to anything that religious zealots try to force upon me or my family.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      When I stay in hotels, I often throw religious books into the garbage or leave "interesting" messages in them.

      April 2, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  12. Free Of Gods

    Boy they recycle news a lot on this Blog!

    Then again, there really is no true religious news, like "God Finally Show Up In Person On Earth, And It's . . . Nergal!" There are only the bizarre things religious people do and believe.

    Darn little good news comes out of religion

    April 2, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
  13. str8vision

    Oh come on, we all know dinosaurs could not possibly have existed! The Bible tells us the Earth is little older than the Egyptian civilization and quite obviously there weren't any dinosaurs running around eating people back then. The whole "fossil" thing must be a mass conspiracy perpetrated by scientific types bent on fooling people into dropping their guard so that Satan can work his mischief!..... Smartest thing we can do is just drop/ban such blasphemous words from our minds and books. In fact, I have a list containing hundreds of more words that are offensive to people of faith, let's ban them all! Then we can get back to the important business of hunting/burning Witches, more of Satan's mischief!

    April 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • just sayin

      That is not what the Bible tells us, nor was it intended to tell us that.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Average x-tard

      Listen to just sayin who clearly knows the mind of god and the Truth™

      April 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
  14. Chad

    On behalf of all creationists I can assure you that the word "dinosaur" is in no way offensive, scary, or a challenge to my belief system.

    so, don't worry about it.

    April 2, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • Chunks for Thunking

      How can you possibly speak for all creationists? You can't, stupid.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
  15. TheRationale

    Dinosaur is the one that gets me. If you "don't believe" in evolution and the billion year life of the planet and universe, you first deserve a real science education and second to fail if you can't pass the tests. It's akin to using incorrect grammar and then arguing with your English teacher that she's the uneducated one when she docks you points.

    April 2, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Easily offended

      I find the letter that precedes 'V' and follows 'T' to be extremely offensive. I hereby petition anyone that will listen to cease and desist in the application of this vile letter.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • str8vision

      Supposedly, the Bible was written by man but with the guidance of God to ensure accuracy. It's hard for people of faith to accept the existence of dinosaurs when the Bible tells them the Earth is just a few thousand years old. If one biblical "fact" is shown to be untrue it casts doubt on the accuracy of the rest of the book. That's why people of faith refuse to accept the actual age of our planet and of course "Dinosaurs".....

      April 2, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • Average x-tard

      @str8 – clearly, you're not reading the passages in question in the right context. If you did, then you would think exactly like me bc I have all the answers and know, conclusively, the Truth™

      April 2, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • question

      "clearly, you're not reading the passages in question in the right context. If you did, then you would think exactly like me bc I have all the answers and know, conclusively, the Truth™"

      Sad thing is that you know nothing of the "truth". No one does. Move along.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
  16. AtheismIsCrap

    God Is Great!

    April 2, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Which god?

      April 2, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • just sayin

      He said God not god. God is great, god is an idol.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • *facepalm*

      okay – which God? Or are you too stupid to realize that the capitalized English word 'God' represents more than one God?

      Tool.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • just sayin

      There is one God, the rest are idols and correctly identified by the small g

      fool

      April 2, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Just Sayin- proving once again that some xtian idiots just arne't able to get over themselves. What a sad, small world you must live in.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      XËNÚ worshiper.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • No Gods, No Masters

      "God is great" is the distinctive phrase of one particular religion – Islam. That's what Allahu Akhbar means. That is the last thing said by the 9/11 terrorist pilots as they slammed in.

      No god is great – multiple levels to that, all true.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Jesus

      Liars go to hell and there is NO proof of a god.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
  17. Nonimus

    This is ridiculous.

    My understanding is that this was not about political correctness or protecting children. It was simply an effort to test and evaluate the students accurately.

    By removing words (in the standardized tests for English, mind you, not science) that are irrelevant to a students understanding of the English language, but may cause the student stress regardless, they are attempting to test the true ability of the students.

    April 2, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Nonimus

      p.s. What a stupid photo for this article. IMO.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • str8vision

      The original article listed these words as "offensive" to certain groups and therefore dropped.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @str8vision,
      So?

      It may have, but the primary point of removing them was not to avoid offending anyone, but to minimize distracting the students from the purpose of the test, i.e. English.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Nonimus

      p.s.

      "The Department of Education said, 'This is standard language that has been used by test publishers for many years and allows our students to complete practice exams without distraction.'" ~ first Belief Blog article.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
  18. William Demuth

    NYC is a PC paradise.

    Having watched it my whole life I can assure you, one economic shift is all it will take to spiral the place down into a hell hole of Biblical proportions.

    Without Wall Street they would become Detroit within a year.

    April 2, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Hey now, Detroit worked a REALLY LONG time, and really hard, to get to the cess pool that it is today. It takes hard work and dedication – you don't just snap your fingers and end up in complete squalor. You have to consistently elect corrupt leaders and push businesses away for years to achieve those kind of results. When was the last time you were even in Detroit, the 80s? They actually had building that weren't abandoned back then.

      April 2, 2012 at 11:39 am |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    April 2, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      Repitïtive three word TRÖLL.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven

      April 2, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      The troll expanded it's vocabulary to 4 words. WOW!

      April 2, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Prayer changes lives

      April 2, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      "Prayer changes things"

      Guess that explains the correlation of the buckle of the bible belt with the bullseye of tornado alley.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      Wow 6 words! Took along time to come up with two more words!

      April 2, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Average x-tard

      @Elmer,

      To be fair, its only five unique words throughout all of the posts thus far.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      @Average x-tard,

      Your are correct.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Jesus

      ~Still spreading your lies. No it doesn't. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      Plus don't forget. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.!

      April 2, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • just sayin

      Still spreading wonderful Truths, yes it do

      April 2, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • question

      "Still spreading wonderful Truths, yes it do"

      To prove something as "True" you need proof.... you have no proof, only speculation and fear mongering. move along.

      April 2, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer is self imposed delusion in thinking that you are talking to something that doesn't exist.
      Proven

      April 2, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Brad

      Atheism is not... : All right. What is your alternative to atheism?

      April 2, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Atheism is for children and other living things

      Brad

      Atheism is not... : All right. What is your alternative to atheism?

      >
      Who says there has to be? However, for those that live in fear and ignorance..need something to get them through life I suppose.

      April 2, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Brad

      Well, you've changed your handle and back-pedaled. Do you claim that it is healthy now? Is it good for my tomato plants?

      April 2, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  20. Reality

    Hear ye, hear ye, all creationists and Christians of NYC:

    Only for the Newcomers:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (References used are available upon request.)

    April 2, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • .....

      copy paste bull sh it alert hit report abuse on above post

      April 2, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • ElmerGantry

      @.....

      STUPID POST NAME

      Don't like the comment. Nice anti-first amendment values. Attempting to censor someone: the last resort of an unintelligent person with no logical thought processes.

      Nice Christian family values, Do unto others as you would have them do into you and What you do to the least of my brothers, you do into me-Jesus, you are displaying.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • .....

      Phony those are not even the words of the person posting. free speech issue? you ass hole

      April 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Reality

      Actually, the words of the updated Apostles' Creed are "Reality" original.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • .....

      Hit report abuse on the bull sh it anyway

      April 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      @.....

      Doesn't matter if Reality supports that comment. Reality should however source it if it's not his/her own.

      So now you resort to name calling in addition to censorship.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      A "Reality original"

      That adds disinformation, maybe outright lying to your propaganda toolbox of censorship and name calling.

      April 2, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Average x-tard

      The abuse reporting anyone should be doing is on @..... comments. Really, dude, give it up already.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • ElmerGantry

      Just to be clear that last comment was meant for @.....

      April 2, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • No Gods, No Masters

      The "report" campaign is ironically being done by the prayer troll, who does the exact same thing.

      April 2, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • .....

      The line forms for tin foil conspiracy protectors on the left, masters

      April 2, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Reality

      References used to update the Apostles' Creed were posted at 3:01 PM on 4/2/2012. Scrool up the page.

      April 2, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • .....

      Never waste your time on reality bull sh it do the world a favor hit report abuse everytime reality posts

      April 2, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Reality

      Oops, make that "scroll-up the page"

      April 2, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Real Math

      Aethism = True = Aetheists only suffer pain of death

      God = True = Atheists lose everything and stil suffer pain of death, hell, etc.

      April 6, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
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