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Holy Week around the world
April 6th, 2012
08:15 AM ET

Holy Week around the world

(CNN)–Members of the Spanish Legion carry a statue of "Christ of the Good Death" to Santo Domingo de Guzman Church during a Holy Week procession.

Click here to see a high resolution gallery of Holy Week being celebrated around the world.

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. JA

    by His wounds, we are healed. Amen

    April 6, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • I thought jesus was white

      You are a bit delusional, your post is proof.

      April 7, 2012 at 9:45 am |
  2. just sayin

    Interesting...........people worship a man who was delusional, insane, gay, pedo phile and suicidal. Jesus's background makes for the perfect brew for a cult leader.

    April 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      Careful what you post "just sayin" for words do come back to haunt one,,,,,,

      April 6, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Off your meds again?

      April 6, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      Fraud alert God bless

      April 6, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • just sayin

      God alert Fraud bless

      April 6, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • I thought jesus was white

      just sayn,, your interpretation makes far greater sense than the delusional who follow religion.

      April 7, 2012 at 9:46 am |
  3. Bootyfunk

    what a disgusting photo. christianity is just a death cult. like george carlin said, if jesus had been executed in the modern age, christians would be wearing an electric chair around their necks instead of a cross.

    April 6, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      lol, someone just said this.

      April 6, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • HAPPEE BUMPEE

      Feeling a little uncomfortable this week?

      Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
      Luke 23:34

      April 6, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  4. momoya

    Jesus– "whoah, bros!! I'm about to slip off!! A little higher on my right!"

    April 6, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • just sayin

      lol dude where is my donkey?

      April 6, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • just sayin

      Fraud alert God bless.

      April 6, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • just sayin

      God alert... Fraud bless

      April 6, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
  5. What!

    disgusting pictures.. something is definitely wrong with christians. Bet if their, delusion, jesus died in the 1700's, instead of crosses on the churches.. they'd have a guy with a rope around his neck hanging off their churches.

    April 6, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Or wearing an electric chair around their neck.

      April 6, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Primewonk

      "...if their, delusion, jesus died in the 1700's, instead of crosses on the churches.. they'd have a guy with a rope around his neck hanging off their churches."

      I wonder – if Jesus had been hung, what would happen if religious groups (like the SBC) told black Christians they should walk around with hangman's nooses around their necks? Would that be religious freedom? Or a hate crime?

      April 6, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
  6. Reality

    Putting all holy weeks in proper perspective:

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

    Putting the final kibosh on religion to include Mormonism:

    • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Added references are available.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    April 6, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
  7. Nonimus

    Probably inappropriate, but when did Chippendale's open a Spanish branch? Or was it GQ that hired these pole bearers?

    April 6, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Actually, they are the famous "Flamers For Jeebus Brigade".

      Extra tight uniforms and a five o'clock shadow to show their piety.

      It's an honor reserved for fomer Altar Boys (this explains the pained crucifix in the hindquarters look they all have!)

      April 6, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
  8. Ironicus

    Hey william demuth,

    get at me bro. lets meet up and duke it out. ill knock ur ass out son. ill fly anywhere in the US to come whip ur ass boy.

    April 6, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • momoya

      Technically, you're making a terroristic threat and CNN could provide the FBI with your IP and you could end up in jail in the next hour or so.. How's that for irony?

      April 6, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • William Demuth

      Struggle much with capitalization?

      Roar for Jeebus! Kill the infidel!

      Lets hear it !

      April 6, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • William Demuth

      momoya

      Don't sweat it, if his daddy hadn't punched his mom in her gut, he wouldn't have had the strenght to fight his way out of his momma's womb!

      April 6, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • William Demuth

      Plus Michigan is so nasty this time of year!

      April 6, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts or goblins

      Ah, the usual "can't beat the argument so time to physically beat on the person response". . .

      How typically christian is that?

      I don't always like the extreme positions William Demuth takes and his choice of words, and I have not visited his web site so am not supporting anything there, but when it is all netted out, WD has facts on his side and believers have a fairy tale. I won't waste anyone's time with yet another request for independent, factual, objective and verfiable evidence for the existence of any god.

      Happy Easter to all. To believers, may it be your last due to shedding your childish myths and cults over the next year.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Ironicus

      I'm obviously just kidding guys, just having some good ole fashioned fun and name calling. Cheers 🙂

      April 6, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts or goblins

      I think it's much more likely you were off your medications and are now coming to your senses. With a little luck you will quickly progress to non-believer status.

      April 6, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Ironicus

      I thought so dude, but was my stab at a Michigan IP close.

      Its a nightmare to hunt down my next victim thru all the CNN security.

      April 6, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • William Demuth

      0G-No gods, ghosts or goblins

      And as far as my "website" I hear of so often, what it actually is, is MSNBC's user forum.

      Basically the same as here.

      And rest assured, I do not own MSNBC!

      April 6, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Ironicus

      @william

      you guessed the continent correct, not too sure about the state.

      April 6, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
  9. William

    God infects us all- those wh believe and those who do not. God is part of our lives whether we wish God to be or not. Without God there could be no Christians, Muslims, Jewish, Hindu....Atheist. We are all made the same but what we are not the same in is what we use or abuse to give ourselves sanction in how we treat each other. Some use religion and God to treat others better, some use to abuse and those who do not believe use religion and God to do the same. God and religion is here- you get to choose how you will use God and Religion- to abuse others or to love others. Believers and non-believers...your choice and your choice alone.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • William Demuth

      So God is like Chlamidiya?

      Speak for yourself when you want to say we all have STD's

      Some of us are uninfected with the ignorance of the cult.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Without god there could be no atheists? That's like saying without mermaids there couldn't be people who don't believe in mermaids. Because there are people who don't think mermaids exist, there must be mermaids? That's some really messed up logic.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:26 am |
  10. Tomlin

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAssOfn5cAI&feature=player_detailpage

    April 6, 2012 at 10:32 am |
  11. Seek Help Demuth

    William Demuth is psychotic. Anyone go to his website and you'll see. Please don't respond to him people bc he really needs to seek help. Regardless of his belief he is completely looney.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • William Demuth

      Wearing you down!

      Ask Jeebus to smite me!

      I shall wait patintly to be smitten

      April 6, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • William Demuth

      Still patient (this time WITH an E) but alas I am still unsmitten.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • Seek Help Demuth

      Not wearing me down, haha if you think one measley psychotic person on a random comments board is wearing me down then you're more delusional than I initially thought. Seriously, seek help.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • William Demuth

      You hide as all cowards do.

      Whats the matter, will mommy slap you if you go on the blasphemous computer?

      Be wary, or she will put a clothes pin on your manhood and make you say100 hail maries while she gives you another high colonic to purify your soul?

      April 6, 2012 at 10:44 am |
  12. Me

    John 19:17-19
    17 and he went out, bearing his own cross, to the place called The Place of a Skull, which in Aramaic is called Golgotha.
    18 There they crucified him, and with him two others, one on either side, and Jesus between them.
    19 Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It read, "Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews."

    April 6, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • Infallible Bible

      Yo'ud think the inscription above Jesus would have been something that would have been seared into everyone's memory. A simple phrase should have been easy to remember on the most important event for the religion. Why then, do ALL of the gospels differ as to what is written? And if they can't even get something this simple and straightforward right, what does that say about EVERYTHING else:

      THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS
      Mt.27:37
      And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
      THE KING OF THE JEWS
      Mk.15:26
      And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
      THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS
      Lk.23:38
      And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
      JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS
      Jn.19:19
      And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • JA

      And somehow you think that is infallible? Interesting.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • Infallible Bible

      My handle was meant to be sarcastic. Apologies if that didn't translate.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • William Demuth

      Infallible?

      10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, 11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; 12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare [2] her nails; 13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. 14 And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.

      Deuteronomy 21:10-14

      April 6, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • William

      To Infalliblebible: You are correct...man has a way of infecting our world with his and that comes through in how each and every man and woman decifers the world about them. There are none of free from what we receive and what we pass on to others and being humble in knowing this might helps us to avoid thinoing we are the one without such infection. But, based on your premise, there is nothing we can believe...nothing at all...so do you truly believe in your premise or simply justify your knowledge by selectively applying it to others only?

      April 6, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • JA

      ~I.B.
      In all honesty though, is there an actual difference in the main message between the the 4 verses you cited.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • fred

      William
      Glad you are keeping up on your Bible study, it is the knowledge of God shared with us.
      Any reason you chose this verse to bring love and peace to a world deserate for Christ?

      April 6, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • just sayin

      Infallible quoting Harry Potter again?

      April 6, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Infallible Bible

      "But, based on your premise, there is nothing we can believe."

      That logic is so epicly bad, I don't know where to start. My premise – the bible is largely a work of fiction. How does that have any broader context beyond that statement? Wow.

      And JA – yes, the differences are minor, but if EVERY book differs on details like that, and if the bible is supposed to be the inerrant word of god, how do the two get reconciled? And if the bible is fallible and just man's interpretation of some events that god was involved in, how can we give credibility to any part?

      April 6, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • JA

      ~I.B.
      I dont know about you, but i actually give credibility to those minor details. So you are saying that since the the four gospels arent exact word for word, they shouldnt be accredited? What would be the point of having the four gospels then? Each gospel written from four different accounts.

      So 100 years from now, there will be written accounts from 9/11. Each will be different of course, ultimately everyone of them will describe exactly what happened that day. The main story will be the same. How can we a$$ume the credibility of any event in history with only one account, one view?

      The main story, the main message in the four gospels is the same. You can believe it or not, thats fine.

      April 6, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Infallible Bible

      No one claims that 9/11 accounts are the inerrant word of god.

      If the gospels aren't the word of god, then what are they? If they're divinely "inspired", what does that even mean? Why couldn't god divinely inspire a little more accuracy?

      April 6, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • JA

      "Why couldn't god divinely inspire a little more accuracy?"

      What makes the differences in each account inaccurate? I could understand if each account were contradicting to eachother, but they are not. Unless you could show me.

      April 6, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Infallible Bible

      Unless there were actually four signs up there, each book contradicts every other one. How can one sign possibly say four different things at the same time?

      There was one sign. It said one thing. Which of the four books (if any of them) accurately states the actual words on the sign.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      There doesn't appear to be much difference in the wording of the inscription. I would encourage all nonbelievers to continue to read and study the Word of God because hopefully they will find God. However, until someone is saved and can read it with the help of the Spirit they probably will not be able to have a lot of understanding. It is the living word and it can only be understood spiritually. A room full of believers can hear the reading of scripture and the Spirit can reveal different things to them in the same passages. Contradiciton you say. No, it is the living word. The Holy Spirit of God speaks to the heart of the believer, what that individual needs at that time.
      Hebrews 4:12
      For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
  13. Double R

    @ Truth

    That's because Atheists don't feel they're wrong by wishing us death. We know that's how Satan works. Satan uses the mind's of Atheist to seperate us from the truth of God's word. Not going to happen though.

    April 6, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • Truth

      True story. The hypocrisy is astounding but they never admit it. They love to mentino all the atrocities committed in the name of religion and then in the next sentence they can wish death on someone and they don't think it's wrong....unbelievable. Anyways, cheers and have a great Easter weekend! God bless 🙂

      April 6, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • Almighty Zebra-Zeus

      Yup. because all atheists wish death upon you. *eye roll*

      You might want to be careful, it appears you Persecution Complex is showing.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • William Demuth

      Christians are anti abortion but pro death penalty?

      It seems their dogma has shat upon their graven altar once again.

      Religion is and always shall be a blood lust for non believers.

      Either worship the buffoon god or else.

      Burning witches, terrifying the ignorant, making war, intimidating scientists and undermining democratic law. The dysfunction is consistent since the first liar, and shall continue to the last.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      "That's because Atheists don't feel they're wrong by wishing us death. We know that's how Satan works. Satan uses the mind's of Atheist to seperate us from the truth of God's word. Not going to happen though."

      First off, Atheists are threatening you with eternal torture for not believing as they do...that would be a christian thing.
      Second, Satan? If we reject your god than we obviously reject your satan, so no satan is not controlling us...we are quite capable of controlling ourselves.
      Third, truth of god's word? You do understand that the buybull was written by man and there is no verifiable evidence to state that a god inspired it...right?

      When you understand why you reject all other gods you'll understand why we reject yours.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • LinCA

      @Double R

      You said, "That's because Atheists don't feel they're wrong by wishing us death."
      I don't wish death upon anyone. Not even ignorant believers. I wish for you to open your eyes. I wish for you to open your minds. I wish for you to shed your infantile beliefs. I wish for you to shed your insanity. I wish for you to stop the bigotry. I wish for you to end the hate.

      You said, "We know that's how Satan works. Satan uses the mind's of Atheist to seperate us from the truth of God's word. Not going to happen though."
      If they exist, your satan and your god are either one and the same, or your satan is doing your god's bidding. Because if your god is omnipotent (that means all powerful), your satan couldn't exist but with the blessing of your god. So, your god must either be evil for allowing satan to do his evil work, or he isn't very powerful. Either way he's unworthy of worship.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • fred

      TruthPrevails
      The Bible is Divine and inspired by God. Consider the strength of the words contained within, the fact we argue and wage war over the word to this day 6,000+ years later, 3-6 billion Bibles sold worldwide, center of our Western World View, basis upon the election of every president in the United States since its founding, the first words spoken from space were “in the beginning God created….”, it is on your money, in your pledge, the Word is in your heart and mind, the Word of God does not come back void but seeks its purpose.
      Please tell me Truthfully does it not Prevail even in your own heart you cannot shake it though you try and cover it with a cloak of mans limited knowledge , a knowledge that only accounts for .000000000000000000000001% of what comprises our very universe?

      April 6, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • William Demuth

      Fred

      Thats silly. The points you make are because YOUR cult wants to force feed pablum to able minded men.

      Rome pushed Roman Gods, the Greels pushed Greek Gods.

      Religion is a means to enslave, not to liberate.

      And just as you God pushed out the Roman Gods, and the Romans pushed out the Greek Gods, someone will push out yours.

      He will fade into antiquity when the power base that promotes him dies.

      And even you sense Jeebus has the stench of the grave about him

      April 6, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • fred

      LinCA
      One of the key threads of the Bible is the sorting out of good and evil. If you use the Bible as the source for defining Satan and God then you must use the Bible explanations. Otherwise, you are just giving me your opinion on why Harry Potter is Christ.
      Sticking within the limited knowledge of man and thoughts of man your evaluation of God and Satan would lead to the conclusion that God is unworthy of worship. So why is it 3-6 billion Bibles are sold that speak of such an unworthy creator and 8 billion people over the years have worshiped such an unworthy creator? Your words, the words of spirit of the antichrist have drawn the attention of few in comparison yet you claim you are not a rebel with a cause. But, you are numbered among the rebellious that reject Christ and attempt to lead His followers astray. The excuses you have given for leading the cause of atheism are all the same tired excuses based upon the mind and knowledge of man even though you know how little is actually known by man. That takes a strong driving force and motivation that most would call a fighting spirit. You are driven by the spirit of the antichrist and it can be seen in your attentiveness to any that would speak negatively about your godless beliefs. Are we not both driven by spirit? Can you not see that there is a significant difference between the spirit that drives you and the spirit that drives me?
      If you say the spirits are the same in the absence of God then I would still claim my spirit is good and you would claim your spirit is good. In the absence of God good and evil are one. The fact I believe in God and you do not changes nothing about the realities of God, good or evil regardless of source. You cannot say the spirits are the same in the presence of God regardless of what you believe. This is why the Bible the Word of God divides good and evil from the get go. God separated light from darkness. Christ came into this world as the light of God but the darkness could not comprehend it. We serve a Holy God that will not stay in the presence of evil. That is where the Bible begins and the difference between the Spirit of the Holy one and the spirit of the antichrist.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • fred

      William
      Yes, you are correct most religions get it wrong and do wrong then fade as their power base fades. This is because they are all of man and are manmade religions as are their gods. You speak of gods I speak of God that always was. Mankind has forever attempted to put God into words or something that can be understood. We cannot understand and to this day no one that I know has ever drawn a picture of God for me that embraces what is indescribable. I see lots of manmade attempts from a blue eyed Jesus to a gray hared grandfather figure in the sky but, none come close and actually point to our pea brain attempt to make gods. We cannot limit or comprehend what is so far beyond us. This is the starting point to understanding our relative position in relation to God.
      The perspective we have is either man an evolved animal at the top of the word and his game or man a created being with purpose greater than self.

      April 6, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Fred

      So your God is different than the one who came before him?

      (here is a hint, the Jewish God is your God)

      His following is fading as well. Less Jews than ever as a percentage.

      April 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Those atheists aren't wishing death on you folks. They are simply hoping you get to go home sooner.

      April 6, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • johnfrichardson

      Fred, Yahweh is unabashedly evil. The church has embraced evil over and over again. Christianity and the other western religions are by no means the only one to try to sort out good and evil, and few have done as poor a job. Stop congratulating yourselves for two millennia of epic failure.

      April 6, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • fred

      William
      I think of God more like that great awe Einstein saw when he looked into the miraculous of the universe. Yes, some of Gods attributes were shown in the Jewish God and more attributes revealed in Christ I have not read of any greater attributes since. Current revelations simply reaffirm these older greater ones already revealed.
      Just like the Jews continued to add rules and stuff onto what God had revealed so too did the Catholics, Muslims etc. forming religions that often no longer resemble God but man. I understand why Jesus spent so much time blasting the religion and religious leaders of His day.

      April 6, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • William Demuth

      fred

      So you mean to tell us that if he actually came back he would be pleased?

      As for myself, I imagine him tearing the heart out of the Pope on live TV, and stomping his foot to collapse every damn church on this planet.

      Trust me, you are probably better off if he is a fable than you would be if he were real.

      April 6, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • fred

      Johnfrichardson
      Yes, and the main thread of the Bible is that man continues to seek that which is not God. If nothing else the Bible is in your face as it was in the eyes of the writers. Here also, we can conclude the heart of man is wicked generation after generation. Just because Christians do the same as the Hebrews where few actually follow the ways of God does not change who God is.
      The best living example we have is Christ (real or not). If there is a God would this not be the way the truth and the light? Would not this world function significantly better if we lived by the simple example given by Christ? If there is such a thing as good and evil did Jesus not clearly define it and show how we can move beyond evil?
      One can deny the Divine Word given by God but, that does not change it. Denial does not turn a truth into a lie because truth is truth. Tell me what truths revealed in the example of Christ do you object as far as how to live a life of love. God or no God what is the downside when one lives as Christ?

      April 6, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • fred

      William
      Jesus warned us of the spirit of the antichrist that would confuse the people. Martin Luther thought the Pope was Satan. Jesus specifically pointed out some key things to look for like white robes and fancy hats trimmed in gold that sit in the front of their great man made temples.
      Yes, you are right on as even Christians behave less like Christ than non Christians.
      He will not rip out their hearts and stomp on them but, those who are of Satan will find their hearts delight in hell. The rest of that try and do right also fail. The Bible says such things are impossible with man so we rely on the mercy and grace of Christ to save us. You may not need saving but I sure do so of course I need Jesus. You do not need saving in your estimation so you need assurance that there is no after life.
      We all need to answer that question and I know you and I have. Jesus was right we are a needy people (he called us poor in spirit).

      April 6, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • LinCA

      @fred

      You said, "One of the key threads of the Bible is the sorting out of good and evil. If you use the Bible as the source for defining Satan and God then you must use the Bible explanations."
      Nope. Logic will suffice.

      You said, "Otherwise, you are just giving me your opinion on why Harry Potter is Christ."
      Without any evidence to the contrary, there is no fundamental difference.

      You said, "So why is it 3-6 billion Bibles are sold that speak of such an unworthy creator and 8 billion people over the years have worshiped such an unworthy creator?"
      Could it be that they lack the capability to distinguish fantasy from reality? Could it be that they are comforted by the security blanket that religion is? Could it be that they fear what they don't (or can't) understand, and grasp at the delusion that is fed to them from childhood?

      But, no matter how much you would like it, or how often you repeat your claim of the number of followers, delusions don't garner strength or validity from the number of sufferers.

      You said, "Your words, the words of spirit of the antichrist have drawn the attention of few in comparison yet you claim you are not a rebel with a cause."
      I have a cause. I'm not a rebel. If my words resemble those of what you consider the antichrist, that really goes to the root of the problem. If rational and reasonable arguments go against the fundamentals of your belief, then your belief must be irrational and unreasonable.

      You said, "But, you are numbered among the rebellious that reject Christ and attempt to lead His followers astray."
      To rebel, you have to acknowledge an authority to rebel against. Fantasies and fables have none. Consider me a mental health worker. I aim to cure delusions.

      You said, "The excuses you have given for leading the cause of atheism are all the same tired excuses based upon the mind and knowledge of man even though you know how little is actually known by man."
      I am well aware that we don't know much. But just because we don't know something isn't a license to just make shit up.

      You said, "That takes a strong driving force and motivation that most would call a fighting spirit."
      A sane society, one governed by reason, is one worth fighting for.

      You said, "You are driven by the spirit of the antichrist"
      Bullshit. There is no such thing.

      You said, "Are we not both driven by spirit?"
      Nope.

      You said, "Can you not see that there is a significant difference between the spirit that drives you and the spirit that drives me? If you say the spirits are the same in the absence of God then I would still claim my spirit is good and you would claim your spirit is good."
      We appear to be driven by different forces. Which one we consider good or not so good, of course, depends on where you stand. What's your point?

      You said, "In the absence of God good and evil are one."
      Bullshit. Good and evil are independent of mythical beings, although to really fuck things up, having religion helps. There's no easier excuse to justify almost anything.

      You said, "The fact I believe in God and you do not changes nothing about the realities of God, good or evil regardless of source."
      Of course, your belief in fairy tales doesn't magically make them come true.

      You said, "You cannot say the spirits are the same in the presence of God regardless of what you believe."
      I don't think I ever claimed anything of the sort.

      You said, "This is why the Bible the Word of God divides good and evil from the get go."
      Yup, at least in part, and those believing the nonsense aren't necessarily on the good side.

      You said, "God separated light from darkness. Christ came into this world as the light of God but the darkness could not comprehend it. We serve a Holy God that will not stay in the presence of evil. That is where the Bible begins and the difference between the Spirit of the Holy one and the spirit of the antichrist."
      Whatever. It doesn't address the fundamental problem with your god. If the dude is all powerful, all evil is done with his consent.

      April 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Satan

      Hey, don't you guys bring me into this. I've had it with all of you. Let Yaweh sort you out.

      April 6, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • fred

      “Could it be… fantasy… security blanket…fear….delusion …..childhood?”
      =>My take is that whatever was the cause for Einstein to wonder in awe at the miraculous remains the core of worship. The need for security or lack of sanity, security etc. may become attached to what is worshiped but the cause.

      “delusions don't garner strength or validity from the number of sufferers.”
      =>beauty is in the eye of the beholder would a delusion favor a small minority of opinion or the vast majority?

      “If my words resemble those of what you consider the antichrist, that really goes to the root of the problem.”
      => I said spirit of the antichrist which is “that cause seeking to remove the worship of God”. I know you are not “the Antichrist” because you are not disguised as the angel of light. If you have wings you are hiding them for some reason. I suspect it is not because you are the Antichrist but a servant of Christ ready to burst out at any moment.

      “If rational and reasonable arguments go against the fundamentals of your belief, then your belief must be irrational and unreasonable.”
      =>rational and reasonable arguments for or against God sounds way to Greek for me. Their rationality and reason led them to erect a monument to the unknown God. Is that not the end result of all atheist reason for purpose of existence?
      God says right up front I will confound the wise with the things of the foolish. Yet, the wise continue to attempt to make sense of such foolishness. Now, that’s what I call rational.

      “Consider me a mental health worker. I aim to cure delusions.”
      =>It would be much easier if you just joined the Borg voluntarily. It is the minority that is assimilated.
      “A sane society, one governed by reason, is one worth fighting for.”
      =>there is no such governing force or sane society on this earth nor has one ever existed. That is your delusion. You fight for a delusion. Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world and died for the reality that man has demonstrated time and again the need for a savior.

      “You said, "You are driven by the spirit of the antichrist"
      Bullshi-t. There is no such thing.”
      =>how can you deny you are not driven by your spirit? What is the force that makes you fight against Christians? The spirit of the antichrist again is “the force that seeks to remove worship of God”
      My point is we are both driven by a spirit (force of some kind) so spirit cannot be denied. That force overrides reason and rational response many times.

      “Whatever. It doesn't address the fundamental problem with your god. If the dude is all powerful, all evil is done with his consent.”
      =>You skipped the first part where God separates good and evil which is why you must combine it again to make sense of your belief. Interesting I watch how you are struggling to hold onto your belief so I know it is important. I wonder if you view my struggle in the same manner. We should always consider why we struggle to hold onto something regardless of what it is. Jesus said where your treasure is there also is your heart. I struggle to hold on because I need a savior you struggle because you don’t need one. The key to my heart is why do I need one. The key to your heart is why don’t you need a savior.
      It’s good Friday take your parents out to dinner and a mass or go to an off hour Easter service to avoid the crowds. Let me know if you see the Easter Bunny.

      April 6, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • LinCA

      @fred

      You said, "My take is that whatever was the cause for Einstein to wonder in awe at the miraculous remains the core of worship."
      There is a major difference between being in awe of the natural beauty, and attributing it's creation to a fictional character.

      You said, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder would a delusion favor a small minority of opinion or the vast majority?"
      Merit of any hypothesis is determined by the quantity and quality of evidence in support. Believing a hypothesis without any evidence in support, and even without a rational narrative, is delusional. The believers got this one locked up.

      You said, "I said spirit of the antichrist which is “that cause seeking to remove the worship of God”."
      Really a distinction without a difference. Those that rationally evaluate the case for your god will inevitably have to dismiss it for lack of evidence. But, I don't aim to keep people from worshiping as they see fit, merely to open their eyes. The rest will follow.

      You said, "I know you are not “the Antichrist” because you are not disguised as the angel of light."
      Are you sure?

      You said, "If you have wings you are hiding them for some reason."
      I guess that is for me to know, and for you to find out. I try to not give out too many personal details on a forum as public as this.

      You said, "I suspect it is not because you are the Antichrist but a servant of Christ ready to burst out at any moment."
      Don't hold your breath.

      You said, "rational and reasonable arguments for or against God sounds way to Greek for me. Their rationality and reason led them to erect a monument to the unknown God. Is that not the end result of all atheist reason for purpose of existence?"
      No. There are likely no gods, known or otherwise. I, as do most atheists, reject all gods, not just yours. Even you are (probably) atheistic regarding all but one god. We are not so different in that regard.

      You said, "God says right up front I will confound the wise with the things of the foolish. Yet, the wise continue to attempt to make sense of such foolishness. Now, that’s what I call rational."
      That's just a convenient way to rationalize away any reasonable doubt. It in itself is irrational.

      You said, "It would be much easier if you just joined the Borg voluntarily. It is the minority that is assimilated."
      I realize that that would be much easier, especially for those still clinging to a shrinking pool of people to prey on.

      You said, "there is no such governing force or sane society on this earth nor has one ever existed."
      We can thank religion for that.

      You said, "That is your delusion. You fight for a delusion."
      It may be an illusion, but if it is, it isn't because it isn't the right thing. It may stay an illusion because it requires a sufficient number of people to shed their infantile beliefs.

      You said, "Jesus said my Kingdom is not of this world and died for the reality that man has demonstrated time and again the need for a savior."
      And as long as we cling to these fairy tales, and the atrocities we commit because of them, we may very well.

      You said, "how can you deny you are not driven by your spirit? What is the force that makes you fight against Christians? The spirit of the antichrist again is “the force that seeks to remove worship of God”"
      I don't fight against christians. I fight for sanity.

      You said, "My point is we are both driven by a spirit (force of some kind) so spirit cannot be denied. That force overrides reason and rational response many times."
      In my case, that force is reason and rational response.

      You said, "You skipped the first part where God separates good and evil which is why you must combine it again to make sense of your belief."
      I skipped it because whether he separated it at first is irrelevant. Your fairy tales tells us that he created everything and that he is all powerful. If he created everything, that includes all evil. If he's all powerful, he must have elected not to eradicate it (after he fucked up and created it in the first place). So, no matter how slice it, he's either evil or incompetent. I'll pass on worshiping such a miscreant.

      You said, "Interesting I watch how you are struggling to hold onto your belief so I know it is important."
      What makes you say that? There is absolutely no struggle for me to hold on to my disbelief. It is blatantly obvious, and becoming more so as time goes by, that all religious stories are nothing but fables. The more of these comments I write, the more convinced I become (if that were possible). The more I think about it, the more baffled I become that there are still adults around that fail to see that it is complete and utter nonsense.

      You said, "I wonder if you view my struggle in the same manner."
      I don't sense a particularly strong struggle in your comments. But if there's anything (else) I can say to help, just let me know. 😉

      You said, "We should always consider why we struggle to hold onto something regardless of what it is."
      Not so. You should, on occasion, evaluate what it is that you are struggling to hold onto, and if it is the right thing to be struggling for.

      You said, "I struggle to hold on because I need a savior you struggle because you don’t need one."
      Like I said, I'm not struggling. I can highly recommend letting go. It's liberating.

      You said, "[...] go to an off hour Easter service to avoid the crowds."
      I'll let you in in a little secret. There are easier ways to avoid the crowds by just skipping the entire charade altogether.

      April 6, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • fred

      LinCA
      “There is a major difference between being in awe of the natural beauty, and attributing it's creation to a fictional character.
      =>no, Einstein took it a step further and pondered cause. I was referring to this step in association with the force or cause behind 9 billion souls looking up in worship. Main point was that making the choice of a fictional character or no deity was sparked by this pondering awe.

      “You said, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder would a delusion favor a small minority of opinion or the vast majority?"
      Merit of any hypothesis is determined by the quanti-ty and quality of evidence in support. Believing a hypothesis without any evidence in support, and even without a rational narrative, is delusional. The believers got this one locked up.
      =>we were addressing the weight of numbers not scientific data. You are starting to sound like Bones (Temperance "Bones" Brennan on fox tv show). If 9 girls on the volley ball team thought you beautiful yet one thinks you’re not would you care about the evidence? At some point I would get your eyes or psyc checked out.

      “I don't aim to keep people from worshiping as they see fit, merely to open their eyes. The rest will follow.”
      =>Ouch you need prayer that your reality is correct as Jesus said “if anyone causes one of these little ones to stumble it would be better they were never born”

      “You said, "I know you are not “the Antichrist” because you are not disguised as the angel of light."
      Are you sure?”
      =>I was a little worried with your last comment “to open their eyes” as that was what happened to Eve in the garden and started this whole mess to begin with. Besides people are praying for you and I know God answers prayers real and imagined.

      “Even you are (probably) atheistic regarding all but one god. We are not so different in that regard.”
      =>yes, there can only be one God. Over time people tend to change their understanding of God often reflecting more of who they are rather than who God is. My understanding of God has changed simply because of a few things you have brought up but, God has not changed. I am still looking at the same God Einstein pondered in awe only I chose to look at what was known about God and Einstein preferred the unknown.

      “I don't fight against christians. I fight for sanity.”
      =>you fight what you call the delusions of Christians which is the same thing. Many Christians need their delusions to maintain sanity in which case if you win the battle you increase insanity.

      “In my case, that force is reason and rational response.”
      =>thank God for that! We actually need reason and rational response alongside impulsive irrational people.

      “he fu-cked up and created it in the first place….he's either evil or incompetent. I'll pass on worshiping such a miscreant.”
      =>now look what you did you got hot sauce all over those cute little wings that were starting to sprout. Given that the attributes of God and why evil is allowed can only be argued using the Bible which lays down the core assumptions I did not answer your question regarding God and evil.
      I am not at a loss as to how one can get those wings pure as the driven snow again. But, you already know how that is done.

      “The more I think about it, the more baffled I become that there are still adults around that fail to see that it is complete and utter nonsense.”
      =>That is the point you don’t just let it go even though you say you do. Saul of Tarsus was driven to kill Christians then driven to bring everyone to Christ. You are a real threat to the Prince of Darkness if those wings ever pop out. You are a stronger evangelist for the cause of nothingness than some Christian evangelists are for the cause of Christ. Instead of Tebow with Jets the next wave could be Linbow with wings

      April 6, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • LinCA

      @fred

      You said, "no, Einstein took it a step further and pondered cause."
      There's a big difference between pondering and blindly accepting.

      You said, "I was referring to this step in association with the force or cause behind 9 billion souls looking up in worship. Main point was that making the choice of a fictional character or no deity was sparked by this pondering awe.", and "we were addressing the weight of numbers not scientific data."
      The weight of the numbers is zero. Just because people have a hard time thinking for themselves doesn't mean that the bullshit they were fed is true. You have, again, fallen into the Argumentum ad Populum fallacy trap.

      You said, "Ouch you need prayer that your reality is correct as Jesus said “if anyone causes one of these little ones to stumble it would be better they were never born”"
      Your Jesus isn't any more special than anyone else. It's entirely irrelevant what you think he said. It's all part of the fable.

      You said, "I was a little worried with your last comment “to open their eyes” as that was what happened to Eve in the garden and started this whole mess to begin with. Besides people are praying for you and I know God answers prayers real and imagined."
      Don't waste your time praying for me. Please consider spending that time volunteering in your community.

      You said, "yes, there can only be one God."
      Every one is a s likely as the next. There is absolutely no reason to assume yours is any more real than Thor, Ra, Zeus, Bob the Magical Blue Sock or the Tooth Fairy.

      You said, "Over time people tend to change their understanding of God often reflecting more of who they are rather than who God is."
      Men has always shaped their gods to resemble themselves.

      You said, "My understanding of God has changed simply because of a few things you have brought up but, God has not changed. I am still looking at the same God Einstein pondered in awe only I chose to look at what was known about God and Einstein preferred the unknown."
      Your god is yours alone as he only exists in your mind. He's probably modeled on the same myth, but he isn't very likely to exist anywhere else.

      You said, "you fight what you call the delusions of Christians which is the same thing."
      But it isn't only christians that are afflicted. The delusion is spread world wide. I argue with christians because they are the largest group in the country that I live in.

      You said, "Many Christians need their delusions to maintain sanity in which case if you win the battle you increase insanity."
      That's a risk I acknowledge and am willing to take.

      You said, "now look what you did you got hot sauce all over those cute little wings that were starting to sprout. Given that the attributes of God and why evil is allowed can only be argued using the Bible which lays down the core assumptions I did not answer your question regarding God and evil.
      I am not at a loss as to how one can get those wings pure as the driven snow again. But, you already know how that is done.
      "
      There you deflect again. It seems that when you are confronted with irrefutable logic about how horrendously evil your god is, instead of honestly evaluating it, you shy away. Whatever. I realize that to believe, one has to lie to oneself.

      You said, "That is the point you don’t just let it go even though you say you do."
      I also realize that once someone has lied to himself before, there is no reason not to continue to do so. If the lie brings comfort, better not scrutinize it too much, right? But hey, I can try, can't I?

      You said, "You are a real threat to the Prince of Darkness if those wings ever pop out."
      My wings are out. Your "Prince of Darkness" and your god are one and the same.

      April 8, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • fred

      LinCA
      Well, looks like you made it through Easter without getting burned at the steak. Thank God you were not born 1500 years ago! Hope ya had a good Easter.....

      Like the rabbit said to the carrot
      It’s been nice gnawing you

      April 9, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • LinCA

      @fred

      You said, "Well, looks like you made it through Easter without getting burned at the steak."
      LOL. I doubt I'll ever end up on a steak. A stake on the other hand.....

      You said, "Thank God you were not born 1500 years ago!"
      See, christianity does evolve.

      You said, "Hope ya had a good Easter....."
      I did. It's the best time for home improvement projects. The weather was nice and the hardware store and parking lot were almost empty.

      You were right about the crowds during Easter services. Judging by all the extra parking at most of the churches in town, I'd be inclined to think that most christians go to church only once a year. How does your god feel about that?

      April 9, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • fred

      LinCA
      “See, christianity does evolve.”
      =>God reveals himself to people exactly where there are in life which includes the culture, knowledge, overall comprehension ability and heart. The same core doctrine (or foundations) of purpose, God and relationship to man does not change. Religion on the other hand where man runs to serve self constantly runs Noah’s ark up on a sand bar. Note that Noah followed Gods instructions on building an ark whereas most religions went ahead and erected great temples by men and for men. This very day the next world war will be centered on that same plot where the Jews and Muslims claim is reserved for their temple. One God one people yet religions driving a wedge between people and between everything that is of God.

      “I'd be inclined to think that most christians go to church only once a year. How does your god feel about that?”
      =>God always makes important principles very clear “I despise your festivals and celebrations for you have forgotten the Lord your God”. Yep, tradition and even the Easter bunny get in the way of the relationship God intended with man. If people only did a few of the key things Jesus pointed out (real or fantasy) this world would be a better place.
      Since the stores would be closed on Sundays because no one went shopping even you might say, ya know I just might mosey on over to that church and see what all the singing is about.

      April 9, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • LinCA

      @fred

      You said, "Since the stores would be closed on Sundays because no one went shopping even you might say, ya know I just might mosey on over to that church and see what all the singing is about."
      I don't know where you live (and don't tell me), but in my area the stores are open on Sundays. Maybe not all, but most. Even on Easter Sunday.

      Also, remember, I grew up in a christian environment. I've been to church. I know what the singing is about. Been there, done that, wasn't convinced.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
  14. Truth

    Peace be to all...........even William Demuth.

    April 6, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • William Demuth

      If I require peace I shall take it!

      But enjoy your Pagean death rituals!

      I have a few of their rituals I enjoy as well

      April 6, 2012 at 9:38 am |
  15. Truth

    He is risen! Peace be to all and God bless 🙂

    Christ is real and He lives!

    April 6, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • William Demuth

      So when is he gonna be on Fox?

      Or are you just full of s@*t?

      April 6, 2012 at 9:35 am |
    • Truth

      @William

      Feel free to believe what you want, He has given us that option. I myself know Christ is real and alive!!! Peace to you my friend.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      You have proof that christ lives...really? We've been waiting for years for this proof...where is it and what makes you call it proof instead of belief?

      April 6, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • JA

      Amen brother!

      April 6, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • William Demuth

      Truth

      I decline your peace, but do offer you indoctrination as an alternate.

      Use this day to purge your self-doubt and free yourself from this mental slavery.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • Truth

      @William

      I've made this choice myself. I wasn't raised indoctrinated or brainwashed or whatever you may say. I searched for truth whichever way it lead and I came to the conclusion after analyzing all sides. Isn't the FBI following you or something? I think that's more telling than anything.

      Yes folks that's right, Demuth has admitted the FBI keeps tabs on him. It's probably bc he posts vile, hateful rants everywhere he goes.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • William Demuth

      Truth

      Yes they do, or at least they did.

      If I were them I would!

      April 6, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • William Demuth

      Truth

      Deviants always feel their madness is of their own volition

      You are no different.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • just sayin

      Truth

      @William

      Feel free to believe what you want, He has given us that option. I myself know Christ is real and alive!!! Peace to you my friend.

      >
      Ah yes, another fine example of delusions. Only difference between Truth and a rambling insane person is one is wearing a jacket. So Truth, do you talk to a person in the sky? Do you hear or feel them? Careful because Santa check's his list twice.

      April 6, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  16. Via Dolorosa

    1. Father forgive them, for they know not what they do (Luke 23:34).

    2. Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise (Luke 23:43).

    3. Woman, behold your son: behold your mother (John 19:26-27).

    4. My God, My God, why have you forsaken me, (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34).

    5. I thirst (John 19:28).

    6. It is finished (John 19:30).

    7. Father, into your hands I commit my spirit (Luke 23:46).

    April 6, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • William Demuth

      30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father." 33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. 34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up. 36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab [1] ; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi [2] ; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.

      Genesis 19:30-38

      April 6, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • Double R

      William:

      What's your point? Just asking out of curiosity.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • William Demuth

      That using Bible quotes as a moral compass is like using Hitlers speeches as a political platform.

      You see they are both are quite ripe with both factual and moral inaccuracies.

      As a sixties poet once explained the bible is a "yardstick for lunatics".

      April 6, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • Jim

      Demuth is obtuse and can't see the relevance of the post to the article.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:03 am |
    • jimtanker

      At least HitIer's speaches are rooted in real life. Cant say that much about the bible.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:05 am |
  17. JA

    My God is not dead, he's surely alive. And he's living on the inside, roaring like a lion.

    April 6, 2012 at 9:20 am |
    • William Demuth

      Nah, he's outta the closet now, no more living on the inside.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:34 am |
    • JA

      RAWR

      April 6, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • johnfrichardson

      Are you sure that's not just acid reflux?

      April 6, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • Primewonk

      If you're roaring like a lion on the inside, it could be that HeyZeus had a bad beef & bean burrito last night.

      April 6, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
  18. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

    Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con/

    From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

    Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

    To wit;

    From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

    "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
    Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

    Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

    Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

    The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

    Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

    "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
    http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

    The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

    With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

    An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

    p.4

    "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

    p.168. by Ted Peters:

    Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

    So again, where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

    April 6, 2012 at 8:56 am |
  19. William Demuth

    Morbid picture.

    Good death?

    April 6, 2012 at 8:51 am |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    April 6, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • AGuest9

      So, the offensive piece of filth can't even be civil on his own religious holiday. That speaks volumes of his character!

      April 6, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Well, if rude posts are a judgement of character then are you ready to judge post by Atheist that are done in the same style, also as signs of bad character?

      April 6, 2012 at 9:39 am |
    • Truth

      @Mark

      No he won't, it doesn't matter how vile the atheist comments are, he won't say anything. BUT one Christian saying "prayer changes things" makes his head spin and he for some reason thinks it's atrocious. I've seen William Demuth wish death upon people and not one atheist has told him it's wrong.

      April 6, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • William Demuth

      Truth

      You support a supposed supreme space being that intends to exterminate the greatest part of the Human Race, and then chain their supposed immortal souls into eternal agony, and you claim I support a violent mind set?

      April 6, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • AGuest9

      By turning the other cheek (especially to christians!), you are only abused.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • AGuest9

      I guess you are OK with his multiple impersonations on this board, then, Mark? That's a form of lying. That speaks VOLUMES about character, does it not?

      April 6, 2012 at 10:03 am |
    • William Demuth

      Truth

      Plus "wishing" is like "praying". Both meaningless.

      I prefer more practical realistic approaches, like supporting the invasion of Iran as a means to have to different religious cults slaughter each other.

      April 6, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"I guess you are OK with his multiple impersonations on this board, then, Mark? "

      Guest, the problem is not to say that one bad is ok so we can overlook another bad. Its just realizing that there are ones on both sides that are not helpful in the promotion of dialouge here on the Belief Blog. I view his or her comments as a simple reflection of similar post made by Atheist. You know, the "wake up God does not exist" single line post. To me, I see Atheist going nuts over these 'Prayer Changes Things' post because they can not shout him down. Its simple "wind up Atheist and watch them dance" and repeat.

      While I do not agree with him or her doing such I do laugh a bit to watch Atheist try in vain to stop him and knowing in my heart that they will have to finally come to realization that they will just have to ignore his or her post.

      April 6, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!". . ..

      April 6, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
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