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April 8th, 2012
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Your take: Comments on Jesus deniers

Our story on a small cadre of authors challenging the existence of Jesus Christ drew almost 5,000 comments on Easter Sunday, with some upset that we did the story, others objecting to its publication on Easter, and plenty of others defending the article and the run date and debating the merits and implications of the debate.

Of course, most comments had nothing to do with our story, revolving instead around the debate about legitimacy of religion itself.

A sampling of the criticism:

Easter on CNN

You've gone too far.

While I am an advocate of spiritual exploration – by atheists to disprove or by the faithful to validate – running an article questioning the very core of a religious belief system on a holy day is indelicate, to say the least. Will you question that Muhammad received the word of God, running similar articles during Ramadan? Or on Yom Kippur, draw on conjecture to argue that the Book of Life is for fools?

This is not journalism. This sensationalist pander.

edeveryday

I would like to see if CNN would dare run a story saying that Muhammad was a "myth" on the Muslim' s holiest holidays and that Abraham was a "myth" on the Jewish holidays. Go ahead CNN and give it a try and see what happens.

rbsrs

Every Easter?...I mean why a negative story every Easter?? It has become a running joke.

ANGRY AT CNN!!!

CNN: IF YOU READ THIS GO TO HELL FOR YOUR ANTI-CHRISTIAN BIGOTRY THIS EASTER SUNDAY!!!!

Many other readers took aim at the critics:

JHC

To those who are insulted by this article,

If your faith is so weak that it cannot stand up to being looked at from an objective, historical, evidence based perspective, then this article is the least of your problems.

nomdefaitour

It is ironic that so many christians are "offended" at a dialogue about religion sponsored by CNN instead of greeting the opportunity to express their views. Perhaps they are shamed that we all know they are surfing the web when they should be worshipping on Easter Sunday.

Others weighed in on the merits and upshot of the debate over Jesus' existence:

JBOO

I do not doubt that a man named Jesus existed, and that he probably did preach about God. But I believe he was no different than any cult leader today that preaches about their own religious beliefs and gains a small number of followers. The difference with Jesus is that Christianity was already more wide spread, and the general population was very uneducated and easily influenced by a great orator. Do I actually believe their is a God, and Jesus is his son? No. But I'm sure the man existed.

Keith

It is actually more reasonable than not to conclude that Jesus was an actual living person. Whether or not he was "the Christ" is the only worthwhile point of debate. Regardless, many of the teachings of Jesus are worthy of people to take to heart whether they are Christians or not. As an agnostic, I take those things that are wise from any and all religions, and leave behind those things that are destructive.

gimmeslack12

I don't care whether he really existed or not. It's his story that never happened, at least the son of god part and dieing and coming back to life stuff. What matters to Christians is that he is a support system that is able to take the blame for all the bad stuff in your life so that you can move past them and continue living.

I was thinking about it the other day, and I think Jesus really is a great thing, because it allows people to psychologically take pressure, grief or guilt and remove the effects of anxiety and pressure that those feelings create. On the flipside it possible allows someone to conjure up Love by themselves.

I think Jesus is a psychological whipping boy for all things that people don't have or can't (don't want to?) deal with. So I think atheists and non-Christians (heck, maybe Christians themselves) are missing the point about the importance of Jesus to some people.

The Twitter conversation over the article was mostly complimentary:

@JoshTheLink

Interesting debate from CNN's site about whether or not Jesus was a real person: https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/?hpt=hp_c1

@CommonDescent

CNN asks: Did Jesus exist? https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/?hpt=hp_c2 Honestly, this is a topic I don't know much about. I'd like to learn more.

@TTCNews

CNN interviews two Thoughtful Christian authors for this intriguing question–Craig A. Evans... http://fb.me/1idvhPxXD

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Easter • Jesus

soundoff (2,443 Responses)
  1. WE ARE ALL BORN ATHEISTS

    God is a construct of fear and uncertainty in an unjust world.

    April 12, 2012 at 7:42 am |
    • just sayin

      Prayer does everything full enlightenment. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • just sayin

      All are born as a gift from God. Directly from the throne of God we come into a world for a brief time with the option and intent to increase our knowledge of God in love. Then to return to God having been redeemed through our Lord and savior Jesus Christ and sealed with the Holy Spirit to enjoy the wonders God has awaiting us. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • Jesus

      "Prayer does everything full enlightenment. "

      Prayer doesn’t not change anyting; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 12, 2012 at 8:25 am |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven
    Powerful
    Pervasive
    Prayer changes things

    April 12, 2012 at 7:05 am |
    • Tiger

      Prayer does nothing ... just empty self delusion.

      April 12, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • just sayin

      Prayer does everything, total enlightenment. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not change anyting; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~ `~

      April 12, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • browde

      "Not healthy"? I am not an atheist, but I don't think you should try to make such an unsubstantiated argument if you expect to persuade anyone. If you find prayer transformative and powerful, then by all means pray. If you find that it boosts how healthy you feel, excellent. It is, nonetheless, fallacious to assume that the absence of it would make someone else *un*healthy. And bringing children into your claim is just cheap and lazy, as if you felt that by doing so you would appear to be acting only out of care for others, instead of your real motive, which seems purely to be the validation your own point of view, and logic be damned.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:25 am |
  3. old professor

    I would make two points.
    If you look at the religions...and denominations of Christianity, it is apparent that God has spoken to many persons but did not tell them the same thing.
    If you read the Bible...and think about it...it is an account of the evolution of a mid eastern religion that now counts untold numbers of sects as its branches.

    April 12, 2012 at 5:03 am |
  4. Jesus

    Look you fools all I did was hang out with some fishermen, and you know how they lie. Get over it, have a glass of wine and Chill out.

    April 12, 2012 at 4:10 am |
  5. Zabazoom

    A two thousand year old fairy tale wrapped in a creation myth, with no credible proof and it's defenders wonder why they are considered wacko's? Oh that's right the fairy tales em to expect to, so even the framers got the joke.

    April 12, 2012 at 3:40 am |
  6. mickey1313

    Contrary to the lies of the thiests, absense of evidence IS evidence of absense.

    April 12, 2012 at 12:52 am |
    • Shane

      That has nothing to do with theists; that has to do with logic and argumentation.

      April 12, 2012 at 6:59 am |
  7. Ashrakay

    Repeating something, quoting something and believing something doesn't make something true. In physics, even having verifiable evidence doesn't make it true. They use a Sigma rating system of 1 to 5.

    One and two sigma results are unreliable because they come and go with statistical fluctuations in the data. A three sigma result counts as an "observation", while a five sigma result is enough to claim an official discovery. There is less than a one in a million chance of a five sigma result being a statistical fluke.

    When you apply this level of scrutiny to religion or god, most claims do not even rate 1 sigma. I'm sorry religious folk, but you can't expect reasoning people that deal with these standards to take your claims seriously. You have the right to have whatever fantasy you want in your own head, but if you want others to take you seriously, you should know what you're up against.

    April 11, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • Chad

      What does the "life sprang into existence by a random collision/combination of molecules" rate on the sigma scale?

      April 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      @chad, first of all, science does not pretend to be the definitive answer on the origin of life. That's the job of religion to know how everything happened. Science merely looks at the evidence and provides realistic suggestions that fall within the realm of physics and biology and to avoid using reductive logic to jump to conclusions. Those theories are then tested to provide reliable results that we can form more theories. If any of the theories turn out to be false, science lets go of it and moves to the next thing. That's why there is no law of creation yet. We don't know. To pretend other requires the arrogance of religion.

      April 11, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • jeremywhooten

      All I can say, Ashrakay, is that you'd better hope you're right.

      April 12, 2012 at 2:45 am |
    • peabody3000

      Ashrakay – and if he's wrong then religion is right? which religion? yours? or one of the other five thousand religions, all with their own dogmas?

      April 12, 2012 at 2:56 am |
    • peabody3000

      BTW i was responding to jeremywhooten, not Ashrakay

      April 12, 2012 at 2:57 am |
    • Ashrakay

      @jeremywhooten, One of the great side effects of using reason above emotional convenience, is it doesn't matter if I am wrong. If the evidence goes the other way, I just accept it. It's that easy. I don't have to be "right." I just have to follow the clues to the truth. Religion in their incessant need to be right have had to retell the story for expedient's sake. You can see how they have to keep reinventing it to make it true. When was the last time we reinvented physics? It either works or it doesn't. Being right about the earth being the center of the universe because that's how god made it, means that you have to eat crow when it's not. Following the evidence that says the earth is the center of the universe, means that we will follow this until new evidence presents itself. Science doesn't claim infallibility. Religion does.

      April 12, 2012 at 4:12 am |
    • browde

      @jeremywhooten "Better hope you're right...." When observations over time are added together, when models accounting for those observations are tested and re-tested, knowledge grows and the fabric of understanding becomes stronger. But no matter how many times, throughout the ages, people suggest that it's better to believe in something than to not believe, due to some fear of the consequences of being wrong–no matter how many times this idea is rehashed, it never adds to or strengthens anything. This admonition can only flat-line discussion. It's absurd. Either use your brain, or admit that your position is illogical and own it anyway. Don't try to do both, when your only tactic appears to be to appeal to base animal fear.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:42 am |
  8. Magic Delusion Detector

    PRISM1234 – "Now, say, who is delusional?!

    You (and robin), for starters. LOL

    April 11, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
  9. Muneef

    To believe in GOD unseen...
    --–
    This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -2:2

    Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,2:3

    And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].2:4

    Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. 2:5
    ---–

    And We had already given Moses and Aaron the criterion and a light and a reminder for the righteous 21:48

    Who fear their Lord unseen, while they are of the Hour apprehensive. 21:49

    And this [Qur'an] is a blessed message which We have sent down. Then are you with it unacquainted? 21:50

    --–
    And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And if a heavily laden soul calls [another] to [carry some of] its load, nothing of it will be carried, even if he should be a close relative. You can only warn those who fear their Lord unseen and have established prayer. And whoever purifies himself only purifies himself for [the benefit of] his soul. And to Allah is the [final] destination. 35:18
    --

    You can only warn one who follows the message and fears the Most Merciful unseen. So give him good tidings of forgiveness and noble reward. 36:11
    --–

    We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidences and sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain [their affairs] in justice. And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, and so that Allah may make evident those who support Him and His messengers unseen. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might. 57:25
    --–

    Indeed, those who fear their Lord unseen will have forgiveness and great reward. 67:12

    April 11, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • Tiger

      sounds like the same double talk that fills the christian bible from cover to cover ... there's nothing holy about holy books, just shot full of holes of logic and common sense ... fear of non-existent and unproven consequences is not a reason to believe anything ...

      April 12, 2012 at 7:50 am |
    • Muneef

      And [mention, O Muhammad], when We took from the prophets their covenant and from you and from Noah and Abraham and Moses and Jesus, the son of Mary; and We took from them a solemn covenant. 33:7

      That He may question the truthful about their truth. And He has prepared for the disbelievers a painful punishment. 33:8

      April 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
  10. Muneef

    Welcome back to the chase Reality...

    April 11, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  11. Really-O?

    Hey look...now Chad is posting as "Davey".

    April 11, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  12. b4bigbang

    8.2 and 8.2 earthquakes! Sign that the end is near – read the Gospels!

    April 11, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. We've had much bigger earthquakes over the history of the planet. It's because plates sit on molten lava and are constantly moving. Do you take pride in your ignorance or do you just enjoy spreading misinformation?

      April 11, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • tallulah13

      The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

      April 12, 2012 at 12:54 am |
    • mickey1313

      Ashrakey, ALL thiests revel in their ignorance, it is the thing that makes them thiests.

      April 12, 2012 at 12:56 am |
  13. Really-O?

    @Chad –
    I really, really tried to restrain myself, but I just can't help it...remember when you made these ridiculous statements?

    "I dismiss all other gods other than the God of Abraham because the God of Abraham has told me that they aren't real."

    "Every book that purports to accurately record history needs to be examined critically for internal consistency and for its accuracy in detail. The bible succeeds on all accounts."

    "The Genesis account stands alone amongst all creation stories of the time, a fact universally acknowledged...We are only know [sic] beginning to scientifically discover how accurate it is indeed."

    'As for supernatural vs natural processes, I also believe that the origin of life, and the development of more and more complex life forms on earth in the stages reflected in the fossil record, is the direct result of supernatural intervention (it's called "punctuated equilibrium" )'

    April 11, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • clgmm74

      Reality,

      Are we examining quotes in relation to context now? You are still holding on to that grudge. It doesn't refute the posters' statements.

      Consider for a moment, that there may be actual scholars present reviewing aforementioned material. What do you believe the viewpoint of your own quotes in relation to context and cited works would be?

      A scholar would recognize that your citations of works do not consistently match your proclamations. A list of works that are part of the NT does not substantiate you as a scholar or your opinion of said works. Your examination of the works is nowhere near the scholarly level.

      A scholar would also recognize that your citations include works that speak for and against your assertions.

      A scholar would immediately recognize the absence of specific relevant details when identifying aspects of each religion. The specific intent to omit pertinent historical background would also be blatantly obvious.

      It will make no difference what username you answer with. It will make no difference if you decide not to answer. It will make no difference who speaks for you. It will make no difference who speaks against you. The perceptions of who you are will be different and yet you will still be who you are

      April 12, 2012 at 12:48 am |
  14. Bob Beeman

    Atheism doesn't provide any hope or answers to life's questions. It is a dismal and bleak outlook on life. You live and die. Anything you do in this life is for feeding your ego or to keep your mind off the inevitable end. People use each other horribly. The wealthy and powerful have learned the manipulation and control necessary to have a higher quality of life at others expense. All your life's ambitions and hungers are selfishness. In the end you haven't done anything to help another. You've just been a parasite on others' backs.

    But 2000 years ago, a man did come among us and lived a life that showed us hope and endless possibilities. Those who knew him traded their lives to pass his words on to us and what he did. The religious leaders of his day feared his teachings and the power that he had. The government knew his popularity and bloodline in the royal family was a threat among the populace longing for freedom of outside rule. They made an example to him as they did with all the messiahs of his time. Yet this messiah's followers wouldn'tt remain silent to what they witnessed. They sealed their testimony with their lives. If this was one of the many false messiahs he would have remained as obscure as all the rest. Only the truth can stand up against these kind of pressures brought against it. Plus all those who knew him wouldn't have died for a lie when faced with death.

    April 11, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • andy 666

      Actually Atheism just means "not believing" in a God. Atheists have morals, are helpful, and pretty much just like your average Christian, except that they believe in one God less. You have a very warped idea of Atheists.

      Morals and care for one another evolved naturally as part of evolution, there are many science books on the subject.

      Try reading The God Delusion, and see why Atheists thing what they think. Might help.

      Best of luck with your education.

      April 11, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Atheists don't believe in god. That's it. There is no evil agenda. There is no desire for deviant behavior. In fact, there is a greater respect for this life, because we know that this is all we get.

      There is no proof of an afterlife, heaven, hell, god or satan. There is NOTHING to indicate that any of that is real. Why in the world would I take comfort in a promise that is not founded in reality? I am not a child. I don't need lies to comfort me. I am content in knowing that I have lived this one life as the best person I can be. I work hard, I don't steal, I try not to lie, and I do my ultimate best not to hurt anyone. Why would you think that is negative?

      You are judging from a position of deliberate ignorance. Is that what you consider good and moral? Is that what it means to be a christian? No thank you, Bob. I have higher standards.

      April 12, 2012 at 1:07 am |
    • jeremywhooten

      I agree, Bob Beeman. How dreary life must be for atheists. You live...and then you die. Big deal. According to atheists, you weren't conscious before you got here and you won't be conscious after you leave. What's the point? Why even tolerate this vale of tears if there's nothing to look forward to? Why don't all the atheists just blow their brains out and be done with it? Even those who say they live happy and fulfilling lives. So what?

      April 12, 2012 at 2:52 am |
    • WASP

      @jeremywhooten: i'm atheist and i live and do good to set an example to my child of how to be a good person. i enjoy every minute i am alive because for me this is all i'm given. i do good things because it makes the person i help feel good and i feel good also. i do good because it helps humans as a whole, me just talking and listenning compassionantely to someone may save their life, or give them a new idea of how to approach life. atheists don't have a reward/punishment system set up by some book written during the bronze age. we only have ourselves to hold ourselves accountible, no god or devil to blame our bad behavior on. if i steal i can't say the devile made me do it; if i save a life i can't say god made me do.....i can only say i did it. if heaven is so grand why don't the christians just jump infront of the next drive by, or put themselves in harms way so they can join their god? see how stupid that whole "why don't you kill yourself" thing is. i live to make the world a better place for my child. you live waiting to die to meet your "maker". lmfao

      April 12, 2012 at 8:08 am |
  15. PRISM 1234

    Keith, do you think that YOUR God would have created us, put this empty place in our hearts and this longing to know him, yet would leave us to our own selves, never revealing himself to us, causing us to go on guessing, and filling our lives with our own imaginations about Him, making a wreck out of them, trying to satisfy this longing?

    April 11, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • AGuest9

      Have you sought professional help for these "longings" and delusions?

      April 11, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • Robert

      "put this empty place in our hearts and this longing to know him, yet would leave us to our own selves, never revealing himself to us"

      It's only a chemical reaction in your brain, it has nothing to do with a God.

      April 11, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • robin

      You do not hear or know Him because you choose not to know Him. You can have a personal relationship with Him if you can accept that Jesus (His son) came and sacrificed himself on the cross for our sins in your heart. God wants you to hear Him and see Him and obey His will. He loves you, but it is not unconditionally. Choose ye this day whom you serve, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!

      April 11, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Ah......! it's always the Dead telling us how to become alive!
      Don't you see, you're missing part of you, the part that would make you really alive!
      Your brain can't possibly give you what you're missing... its' the lame part of you, opnly exposing the lack of the rest of you that should be alive, and yet you glorify it even above God who gave you life? Now, say, who is delusional?!
      LOL!

      April 11, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Magic Delusion Detector

      PRISM1234 – "Now, say, who is delusional?!

      You (and robin), for starters. LOL!

      April 11, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What makes you think others have this "longing", Prissy?

      April 11, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Every true believer of every one of the thousands of gods invented by humanity has felt the same passion you do. Prism. There isn't a single shed of evidence to support the existence of any one of those gods. Even yours.

      April 12, 2012 at 1:12 am |
  16. Ivory

    The whole problem with people when it comes to religion, is that too many ignore the historical information. Such as the population of the region or the political climate. Everyone has their own idea regarding religion. My belief is that; it's just a system created by those who seek to control the masses through fear and dogma. The bottom line is. One can believe in anything. But there's no one alive today that can say without question whether Jesus existed or not. The biggest hoax I've seen to date regarding Jesus. Is the Shroud of Turin. On What scientific basis can anyone say this is Christ. We aren't even close to indentifying the true face of this man. One thing that's for sure is that he can't look as many would believe.

    April 11, 2012 at 9:12 am |
    • robin

      Here is the truth...believe it if you will. Religion is mans attempt to reach God, while Christianity is God's way for man to reach Him.

      April 11, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
  17. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    "The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request)

    April 11, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • Bob Beeman

      Would you die foa lies about a man you knew as his early followers did?

      April 11, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Reality

      The "martyrdoms" of the apostles are mostly single attestations and therefore historically unreliable. Dying for bad theology and flawed history also is not unique as witnessed by today's crazy Muslim, koranic-driven suicide bombers.

      April 11, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things..

    April 11, 2012 at 7:56 am |
    • JustSaying

      Bull, prayer changes nothing, action changes things. You can sit on your ass and pray for fish all day but unless you actually get up and cast your line in the water your going to go hungry.

      April 11, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not change anything; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~

      April 11, 2012 at 10:42 am |
    • just sayin

      Two fraud alerts. God bless

      April 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • An Agnostic

      Nothing fails like prayer.

      April 11, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Leo

      Yes Easter was a Pagan Holiday...What is the point? Ow no I can't celebrate the ressurection of Jesus the Messiah, who was crucified on Passover, fulfilling Isaiah 53 Perfectly!!

      April 11, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
  19. Rae

    Why get offended? Easter is a pagan holiday anyways. Ishtar and Tammuz anyone?

    April 11, 2012 at 4:59 am |
    • just sayin

      No it is not. God bless

      April 11, 2012 at 7:57 am |
    • AGuest9

      just lyin is in denial (again).

      April 11, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • just sayin

      Proofs are available that Easter is not a pagan holiday. God bless

      April 11, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Look up the origin of the word "Easter", moron.

      April 11, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • just sayin

      Easter the holiday is from the Passover, and based on the time Passover occurs. The term Easter comes from Pesach, the Passover celebration. Many cultures celebrate the change of seasons but Easter deals with a specific Jewish God centered Holy day, not the pagan celebrations. God bless

      April 11, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I didn't SAY the origin of the holiday, you fuckwit. I said the origin of the WORD.

      Origins of the name "Easter":

      The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime. Some were:

      Aphrodite, named Cytherea (Lady of Cythera) and Cypris (Lady of Cyprus) after the two places which claimed her birth; 8
      Ashtoreth from ancient Israel;
      Astarte from ancient Greece;
      Demeter from Mycenae;
      Hathor from ancient Egypt;
      Ishtar from Assyria;
      Kali, from India; and
      Ostara a Norse Goddess of fertility.

      April 11, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Does it hurt your brain when you pick your nose, just lyin?

      April 11, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Origin of Easter – Its Pagan Roots
      The origin of Easter dates back to ancient times, not long after the global Flood recorded in Genesis 6-9 of the Bible. Nimrod, a grandson of Noah, had turned from following his grandfather's God and had become a tyrannical ruler. According to the biblical record, as king, Nimrod created Babel, Ninevah, As -shur, Calla and other cities, all known for lifestyles that promoted unspeakable evil and perversion. When Nimrod died, his wife, Queen Semiramis, deified him as the Sun-god, or Life Giver. Later he would become known as Baal, and those who followed the religion Semiramis created in his name would be called Baal worshippers. They became associated with idolatry, demon worship, human sacrifice and other practices regarded as evil.

      The origin of Easter involves the birth of Semiramis' illegitimate son, Tammuz. Somehow, Semiramis convinced the people that Tammuz was actually Nimrod reborn. Since people had been looking for the promised savior since the beginning of mankind (see Genesis 3:15), they were persuaded by Semiramis to believe that Tammuz was that savior, even that he had been supernaturally conceived. Before long, in addition to worshipping Tammuz (or Nimrod reborn), the people also worshipped Semiramis herself as the goddess of fertility. In other cultures, she has been called Ishtar, Ashtur and yes, Easter.

      The origin of Easter goes back to the springtime ritual inst ituted by Semiramis following the death of Tammuz, who, according to tradition, was killed by a wild boar. Legend has it that through the power of his mother's tears, Tammuz was "resurrected" in the form of the new vegetation that appeared on the earth.

      April 11, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Your turn, justlyin. Post your "proofs".

      April 11, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Tom, Tom –
      Yikes sister! You're on fire this evening. If you need something that'll add some whiskey to your soda, check out page one of this thread...Chad earned himself a blanket-party.

      Cheers

      April 11, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, is the chief vegetable at it again?

      I'll check it out.

      April 11, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ah, yes, Really-O, the little dink was twisting in the wind back there.

      There's something wrong with him.

      April 11, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Tom, Tom – regarding "There's something wrong with him".

      You know more about the players on this blog than I. I predominately engage Chad to quote mine, but I do have a real question: From your experience, is Chad simply dishonest or is he really as thick as he appears?

      April 11, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • Leo

      duh... wrong reply....

      Yes Easter was a Pagan Holiday...What is the point? Ow no I can't celebrate the ressurection of Jesus the Messiah, who was crucified on Passover, fulfilling Isaiah 53 Perfectly!!

      April 11, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • just sayin

      You can be wrong if you want to be Tom,Tom – two or three times or even more. God bless

      April 11, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • WASP

      @just sayin' nothing: all christian holidays were alterations from pagan holidays to make and encourage pagan believers to convert to the new faith called christianity........those that still refused and followed the old ways were either shunned from society or out right murdered for their beliefs. now a lot of chirstian holidays have been commercialized to sell stuff. santa clause went from an elf looking creature followed by a being that punished bad children to the fat jolly fellow we all know and love today.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:44 am |
  20. Keith

    Pick a God, pick a prophet, pick a wife, live your life, it doesn't matter how or who you call it, we are spiritual people and need that part of our lives to be filled with something. Atheists have it too, so they fill that spiritual place in their lives with something else. It is perfectly fine with me and you Christians should leave them alone. On the other hand you atheist need to quit attacking the Christians, that is what lions are for.

    I do believe in an afterlife, and I will see you all there, even you Evangelicals who tell me I am going to a different place. We will find some quiet place for you to get your Sh_t together and recover a bit when you see us all there. my God loves us all and wants to reward us for the difficulties we experience as Human Beings. An all forgiving all loving God.

    If you guys like your avenging hateful God then good for you, don't try to sell him to me.

    April 10, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      The follies of humanists think more than they imagine. Many would rather be but watchers. Fewer still, are the ones who dare to imagine the likelihoods and what ifs.

      April 11, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • DogmaDave

      Keith, you are my personal hero. I'm gonna print out your post and incorporate it into my personal manifesto.

      Bravo.

      April 11, 2012 at 2:14 am |
    • Bob Beeman

      He only avenges wrongs and hates evil.

      April 11, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • jeremywhooten

      Keith, it doesn't have anything to do with avenging; it has to do with justice.

      April 12, 2012 at 2:54 am |
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