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April 8th, 2012
09:37 PM ET

Your take: Comments on Jesus deniers

Our story on a small cadre of authors challenging the existence of Jesus Christ drew almost 5,000 comments on Easter Sunday, with some upset that we did the story, others objecting to its publication on Easter, and plenty of others defending the article and the run date and debating the merits and implications of the debate.

Of course, most comments had nothing to do with our story, revolving instead around the debate about legitimacy of religion itself.

A sampling of the criticism:

Easter on CNN

You've gone too far.

While I am an advocate of spiritual exploration – by atheists to disprove or by the faithful to validate – running an article questioning the very core of a religious belief system on a holy day is indelicate, to say the least. Will you question that Muhammad received the word of God, running similar articles during Ramadan? Or on Yom Kippur, draw on conjecture to argue that the Book of Life is for fools?

This is not journalism. This sensationalist pander.

edeveryday

I would like to see if CNN would dare run a story saying that Muhammad was a "myth" on the Muslim' s holiest holidays and that Abraham was a "myth" on the Jewish holidays. Go ahead CNN and give it a try and see what happens.

rbsrs

Every Easter?...I mean why a negative story every Easter?? It has become a running joke.

ANGRY AT CNN!!!

CNN: IF YOU READ THIS GO TO HELL FOR YOUR ANTI-CHRISTIAN BIGOTRY THIS EASTER SUNDAY!!!!

Many other readers took aim at the critics:

JHC

To those who are insulted by this article,

If your faith is so weak that it cannot stand up to being looked at from an objective, historical, evidence based perspective, then this article is the least of your problems.

nomdefaitour

It is ironic that so many christians are "offended" at a dialogue about religion sponsored by CNN instead of greeting the opportunity to express their views. Perhaps they are shamed that we all know they are surfing the web when they should be worshipping on Easter Sunday.

Others weighed in on the merits and upshot of the debate over Jesus' existence:

JBOO

I do not doubt that a man named Jesus existed, and that he probably did preach about God. But I believe he was no different than any cult leader today that preaches about their own religious beliefs and gains a small number of followers. The difference with Jesus is that Christianity was already more wide spread, and the general population was very uneducated and easily influenced by a great orator. Do I actually believe their is a God, and Jesus is his son? No. But I'm sure the man existed.

Keith

It is actually more reasonable than not to conclude that Jesus was an actual living person. Whether or not he was "the Christ" is the only worthwhile point of debate. Regardless, many of the teachings of Jesus are worthy of people to take to heart whether they are Christians or not. As an agnostic, I take those things that are wise from any and all religions, and leave behind those things that are destructive.

gimmeslack12

I don't care whether he really existed or not. It's his story that never happened, at least the son of god part and dieing and coming back to life stuff. What matters to Christians is that he is a support system that is able to take the blame for all the bad stuff in your life so that you can move past them and continue living.

I was thinking about it the other day, and I think Jesus really is a great thing, because it allows people to psychologically take pressure, grief or guilt and remove the effects of anxiety and pressure that those feelings create. On the flipside it possible allows someone to conjure up Love by themselves.

I think Jesus is a psychological whipping boy for all things that people don't have or can't (don't want to?) deal with. So I think atheists and non-Christians (heck, maybe Christians themselves) are missing the point about the importance of Jesus to some people.

The Twitter conversation over the article was mostly complimentary:

@JoshTheLink

Interesting debate from CNN's site about whether or not Jesus was a real person: https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/?hpt=hp_c1

@CommonDescent

CNN asks: Did Jesus exist? https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/?hpt=hp_c2 Honestly, this is a topic I don't know much about. I'd like to learn more.

@TTCNews

CNN interviews two Thoughtful Christian authors for this intriguing question–Craig A. Evans... http://fb.me/1idvhPxXD

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Easter • Jesus

soundoff (2,443 Responses)
  1. Marquice

    Mixing religion and secular journalism is an ignorant and foolish thing to do.

    April 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • AdmrlAckbar

      except when you are trying to get two groups of people to spam their opinions to help you get web traffic cash.. then's it's a brilliant idea!

      April 9, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  2. AdmrlAckbar

    Who will win? Fervent religious zealots who can only quote the bible or interwebz atheists whose understanding of empirical research and scientific methods is almost at a Jr. High School level???
    The answer?– CNN's Web Traffic Ca$h! .. belief and politics, 2 great cash cows for people with opinions they just have to get out.

    April 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • SixDegrees

      Fortunately, I have the AdBlock plugin for Firefox. CNN's ads never load, which makes the important content load much faster and deprives the ad companies from counting my hits, because from their perspective I never generate any.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  3. ATTENTION !!! ATTENTION !!! ATTENTION !!! ATTENTION !!!

    Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things...

    † Atheism is a religion that makes you stupid, ignorant & blind.
    † Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
    † Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here are posted by closet Atheists)
    † Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
    † Atheists causes problem in our religious society.
    † Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
    † Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
    † Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders.
    † No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider'
    † Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime.
    † Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
    † Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
    † Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
    † Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency.
    † Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
    † Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
    † All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
    † The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
    † Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism!
    **Only 2-3% of the U.S. are Atheists/Agnostics VS. over 90% who believe in God (80% Christians) in the U.S.**

    †† Our Prayers goes to Atheists to be mentally healthy and seek their creator ††

    April 9, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • WorldBelow

      Hail Satan my brother. Burn the book of lies.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Jesus

      Atheism is a religion that makes you stupid, ignorant & blind. -LIE
      Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated. -LIE
      Atheism makes you post stupid things -LIE
      Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle. -LIE
      Atheists causes problem in our religious society. -LIE
      Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith. -LIE
      Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise. -LIE
      Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders. . -LIE
      No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider' . -LIE
      Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime. . -LIE
      Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet. . -LIE
      Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people. . -LIE
      Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved. . -LIE
      Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency. . -LIE
      Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history. . -LIE
      Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists. . -LIE
      All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals. . -LIE
      The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right . -LIE
      Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism! . -LIE

      Thanks for demonstrating to the world that Christians are incapable of following their own bible. Lying is a sin.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • hellodollyllama

      Your arguments are so obviously stupid and fallacious that we're wondering whether it's a joke.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • just sayin

      God talks to insane people

      April 9, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
  4. Emperor Vadik, CA

    Prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist and affect all things in life...

    April 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • † In God We Trust †

      Our Prayer goes to you to seek your creater....

      All I want to say 🙂
      God Bless

      April 9, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Glen

      We don't have to prove anything to you Emperor Vadik God does the proving! All you have to do is ask Him and read His Word and sincerely seek Him. You just don't know it yet but you are spiritually blind and God is Spirit, only God can work that miracle of removing the blinders like He did with St Paul and others....

      He opens hearts and the eyes of the blind:
      2 Chronicles 7:14 if my people, who are called by my name, will ... if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my ....
      James 4:10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
      Psalm 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

      April 10, 2012 at 10:44 am |
  5. J.W

    I pray that Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things will keep posting "Prayer changes things" and that Jesus and others will continue to respond.

    April 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Really?

      Really you want to endorse those two trolls? They have the mentality of 2 year olds, they're nothing but a bunch of bullies, you would think true Christians would stand up and say enough.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • fred

      J.W
      Ya spoofen me.
      Really? spoofen

      April 9, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
  6. frozen north

    I think it funny with all these people ripping on Jesus. If you don't believe in christ the lord our savior then don't celebrate Easter or Christmas.

    April 9, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • † In God We Trust †

      Of course some angry atheists now will call Christian holidays for "pegan or secular" just to be ignorant.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • OhPlease

      "Of course some angry atheists now will call Christian holidays for "pegan or secular" just to be ignorant."

      All you have to do is pick up a history book to know that Christian religion is based on pagan regions, but Christians can't handle the real truth about their cult.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • just sayin

      I guess some here never heard of Mithras. lol

      April 9, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
  7. Larry L

    So much of the logic is circular and the issue so sensitive any real and logical dialogue is impossible. The writing says it's real and to prove it – the religious folks provide more writing... Every generation modifies the "absolute truth" to meet their needs and usually those needs relate to power and wealth.

    April 9, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
  8. uknowitallright

    Sure, I'll prove to you that he existed, and still exists, right after you prove to me that he never did, and still doesn't. Go.

    April 9, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • LOL!

      "and still exists"

      LMAO LOL!

      April 9, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • SixDegrees

      A demand for a negative proof, a classical fallacy.

      Those making extraordinary claims for existence are the ones responsible for providing proof for those claims.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • uknowitallright

      Sorry, but if the shoe fits either wear it or shut up. If you don't want to believe, don't, but don't go pushing your non-belief as fact when you can't proove a damn thing either.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Really?

      "Sorry, but if the shoe fits either wear it or shut up. If you don't want to believe, don't, but don't go pushing your non-belief as fact when you can't proove a damn thing either."

      In other words, there is no proof so I have to be insulting.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • uknowitallright

      No, in other words you don't like the same logic applied to you, so you squirm away. Fact. Better things to do, going to watch paint dry.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • hellodollyllama

      Nice try. It is your team that posited the existence of God - it's your job to prove it. It's not our job to disprove it. That is how debate has ALWAYS worked. You can't just throw a bunch of fallacies in the air and then run away when people have the nerve to challenge you on it.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • WASP

      @"youknowitall": so by your logic you have to disprove ra,zues,the great spirit, zombies, werewolves,witches, ghosts, dragons, aliens, lochness montster, bigfoot.......wouldn't want to be in your shoes. lol you have a lot to disprove. i only have to disprove god because i know all the other things that are fables are still fables.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
  9. † In God We Trust †

    Jesus is the way, the truth, the love.

    Being Christian is the best thing someone could be. We are lucky having Jesus Christ as our main leader of our faith and religion. We should all be looking for him.

    God Bless

    April 9, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • LOL!

      "Being Christian is the best thing someone could be. "

      No it's not your kind murdered millions and stole from innocent people, continue to deny people their civil rights.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • just sayin

      Do you hear Jesus's voice?

      April 9, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • † In God We Trust †

      Let's not forget than Atheists – Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and even Hitler (became an Atheist later) killed hundreds of millions of religious and innocent people worldwide.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • gdp

      you are never called upon to prove a negative, thats a law of logic

      April 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • OhPlease

      "Let's not forget than Atheists – Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and even Hitler"

      Christians killed more Indians in America than Hitler killed Jews, but Christians are trying to hide that truth so they can sell their cult. Religion has killed 480 million people in human history.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • fred

      OHPlease
      Give it a rest. People kill people and religion is a tool for the killers. Even atheists killed off millions.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • WASP

      @fred and "in dog we trust": show me where any of those guys said "i am an atheist" before those massacres? those men along with most missionaries, popes and other religious people throughout history killed and enslaved people for power. not for any belief or lack there of. they all killed for power. now for a fun fact, theists have been around a lot longer than atheists have been so guess which of these groups holds the record for the most killings throughout history? men hiding behind religion to make their actions acceptible.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
  10. Shawn

    Wow, opinions everywhere. I say judge a mans religion by his actions. If he is of good character and lives a life that is dutiful to society than the religion that governed him can not be a bad one.

    April 9, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Huh?

      "If he is of good character and lives a life that is dutiful to society than the religion that governed him can not be a bad one."

      If he is of good character and lives a life that is dutiful to society than a atheist can not be a bad one.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  11. hawaiiduude

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHiW-hVf8D4&w=640&h=360]

    April 9, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
  12. Wade O'Connor

    He was a handsom Hack carpenter who went on to become a snake oil salesman and when the jews got tired of him they called him on it . you would have been there you would have done the same.-Wade

    April 9, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • just sayin

      I would have enjoyed seeing Jesus torn to pieces by some lions while he screamed to his magical father in the sky lol

      April 9, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • ed galbraith

      Wrong, Wade. Jesus was a Norwegian.

      April 10, 2012 at 11:16 am |
  13. Your Mom

    The use of supernaturalism to manipulate and control people is the world's oldest confidence scheme, it relies on the ritual abuse of children at their most impressionable stage by adults who have themselves been made childish for life by artifacts of the primitive mind.

    April 9, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • LouAz

      So completely FACTUAL. The world would be a far better place if everyone was 18 (maybe even 21 like alcohol) before any of these "stories" were "presented" to minds that had learned to read and write, do simple arithemetic, find their own way home, and maybe even had a job.

      I well remember;

      Now I lay me down to sleep
      I pray the Lord my soul to keep
      If I should die before I wake
      I pray the Lord my soul to take

      This is no "idea" to teach a 3 or 4 year old child !
      Bullies ! All you "religious fanatics" !

      April 9, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  14. Brad

    Jesus is alive. It's not a question of "did He", He does.

    April 9, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • sam stone

      Thanks for straightening that out, Brad/

      April 9, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • Heather

      WELL SAID!!!!!!!

      April 9, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • † In God We Trust †

      Amen.

      God Bless all of us who believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Really?

      "He does."

      Prove it.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Josh

      AMEN!

      April 9, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
  15. Reality

    Welcome to the 21st century with a bit of realism:

    Putting all holy weeks in proper perspective:

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

    Putting the final kibosh on religion to include Mormonism:

    • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Added references are available.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    April 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • hellodollyllama

      I think Moses existed. But the Bible isn't a totally accurate rendering of his story.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • AdmrlAckbar

      For being such a staunch logical positivist, your argument lacks any real solid empirical support.
      For being such a troll, your post not dumb enough to be entertaining and not smart enough that anyone would believe any of the opinions you try to push off as facts.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • AdmrlAckbar

      Who will win? Fervent religious zealots who can only quote the bible or interwebz atheists whose understanding of empirical research and scientific methods is almost at a Jr. High School level???
      The answer?– CNN's Web Traffic Ca$h! .. belief and politics, 2 great cash cows for people with opinions they just have to get out.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Reality

      Only for the those interested in a religious update:

      ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

      earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current problems:

      The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

      5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      April 10, 2012 at 11:17 am |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 9, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Jesus

      `Prayer doesn’t not; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!,. ,

      April 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • † In God We Trust †

      If you really believe and trust God from your heat; God will improve or help you out.
      Of course prayer won't work if you are a nonbeliever or pray for nonsense stuff...

      April 9, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • † In God We Trust †

      heart*

      April 9, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • hellodollyllama

      Religion is a delusion, mental illness. Only atheists can claim sanity.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  17. There is no logic in the Bible

    Jesus roams around and has clashes with the Jewish temple and speaks out as a dissident, irritating the local religious and civic authorities. None of them thought enough of this to make any record of it.

    Jesus performed many miracles which were widely witness, but nobody, Jewish of Roman, thought enough of them to make any record of them.

    Jesus' death was accompanied by the curtain at the Temple ripping, an earthquake, an eclipse that scientifically could not have happened, and dead saints rising and walking into town. Nobody, Roman, Jewish, or protoChristian, thought enough of these amazing events to make any sort of record of them.

    First written records of any kind came decades later, first non-Christian records come almost 100 years later (and are very vague). The consensus of historians is that none of these written records were written by people who ever knew or even saw Jesus.

    God was very good at making sure that Jesus' experience is supported only with the weakest of evidence. I guess it is that faith thing . . . but . . . none of the people in the Jesus story had to operate on faith. The apostles and Jesus' family all had the evidence of miracles and other god stuff. Even Paul got evidence, yet he insists that we must have faith.

    I wonder why God was so happy to provide such evidence then but steadfastly refuses it for everyone else? Oh well, as the Bible clearly shows, fairness is NOT one of God's strong points.

    April 9, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • chemistphil

      Actually, Tacitus (a ROMAN historian) did make note of him... Jesus existed. Whether or not Christianity or any religion is real is very up for debate, but your errors comments discredit your side of the argument.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • hellodollyllama

      Chemist, you don't get to appoint yourself referee. You have pointed out one "error", which isn't an error. Tacitus did nothing to substantiate the story purveyed in the Gospels. Nice try.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
  18. Santa

    I think Jesus didn't exist. Its only a growing story about a superman.

    I hope CNN have some reporters who can find the best arguments/evidence for us. Why not do a better jobb here???

    April 9, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Reality

      From Professors Crossan and Watts' book, Who is Jesus.

      "That Jesus was crucified under Pontius Pilate, as the Creed states, is as certain as anything historical can ever be.

      “ The Jewish historian, Josephus and the pagan historian Tacitus both agree that Jesus was executed by order of the Roman governor of Judea. And is very hard to imagine that Jesus' followers would have invented such a story unless it indeed happened.

      “While the brute fact that of Jesus' death by crucifixion is historically certain, however, those detailed narratives in our present gospels are much more problematic. "

      “My best historical reconstruction would be something like this. Jesus was arrested during the Passover festival, most likely in response to his action in the Temple. Those who were closest to him ran away for their own safety.

      I do not presume that there were any high-level confrontations between Caiaphas and Pilate and Herod Antipas either about Jesus or with Jesus. No doubt they would have agreed before the festival that fast action was to be taken against any disturbance and that a few examples by crucifixion might be especially useful at the outset. And I doubt very much if Jewish police or Roman soldiers needed to go too far up the chain of command in handling a Galilean peasant like Jesus. It is hard for us to imagine the casual brutality with which Jesus was probably taken and executed. All those "last week" details in our gospels, as distinct from the brute facts just mentioned, are prophecy turned into history, rather than history remembered."

      See also Professor Crossan's reviews of the existence of Jesus in his other books especially, The Historical Jesus and also Excavating Jesus (with Professor Jonathan Reed doing the archeology discussion) .

      Other NT exegetes to include members of the Jesus Seminar have published similar books with appropriate supporting references.

      Part of Crossan's The Historical Jesus has been published online at books.google.com/books.

      There is also a search engine for this book on the right hand side of the opening page. e.g. Search Josephus

      See also Wikipedia's review on the historical Jesus to include the Tacitus' reference to the crucifixion of Jesus.

      From ask.com,

      "One of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Cornelius Tacitus is a primary source for much of what is known about life the first and second centuries after the life of Jesus. His most famous works, Histories and Annals, exist in fragmentary form, though many of his earlier writings were lost to time. Tacitus is known for being generally reliable (if somewhat biased toward what he saw as Roman immorality) and for having a uniquely direct (if not blunt) writing style.

      Then there are these scriptural references:

      Crucifixion of Jesus:(1) 1 Cor 15:3b; (2a) Gos. Pet. 4:10-5:16,18-20; 6:22; (2b) Mark 15:22-38 = Matt 27:33-51a = Luke 23:32-46; (2c) John 19:17b-25a,28-36; (3) Barn. 7:3-5; (4a) 1 Clem. 16:3-4 (=Isaiah 53:1-12); (4b) 1 Clem. 16.15-16 (=Psalm 22:6-8); (5a) Ign. Mag. 11; (5b) Ign. Trall. 9:1b; (5c) Ign. Smyrn. 1.2.- (read them all at wiki.faithfutures. Crucifixion org/index.php/005_Crucifixion_Of_Jesus )

      Added suggested readings:

      o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.
      2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
      – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–

      30-60 CE Passion Narrative
      40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
      50-60 1 Thessalonians
      50-60 Philippians
      50-60 Galatians
      50-60 1 Corinthians
      50-60 2 Corinthians
      50-60 Romans
      50-60 Philemon
      50-80 Colossians
      50-90 Signs Gospel
      50-95 Book of Hebrews
      50-120 Didache
      50-140 Gospel of Thomas
      50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
      50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
      65-80 Gospel of Mark
      70-100 Epistle of James
      70-120 Egerton Gospel
      70-160 Gospel of Peter
      70-160 Secret Mark
      70-200 Fayyum Fragment
      70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
      73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
      80-100 2 Thessalonians
      80-100 Ephesians
      80-100 Gospel of Matthew
      80-110 1 Peter
      80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
      80-130 Gospel of Luke
      80-130 Acts of the Apostles
      80-140 1 Clement
      80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
      80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
      80-250 Christian Sibyllines
      90-95 Apocalypse of John
      90-120 Gospel of John
      90-120 1 John
      90-120 2 John
      90-120 3 John
      90-120 Epistle of Jude
      93 Flavius Josephus
      100-150 1 Timothy
      100-150 2 Timothy
      100-150 T-itus
      100-150 Apocalypse of Peter
      100-150 Secret Book of James
      100-150 Preaching of Peter
      100-160 Gospel of the Ebionites
      100-160 Gospel of the Nazoreans
      100-160 Shepherd of Hermas
      100-160 2 Peter

      3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
      – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"
      4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
      5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
      6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
      7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
      8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
      joezias.com/HealthHealingLandIsrael.htm
      9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson

      Added review materials are available upon request.

      April 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • hellodollyllama

      Hey Reality, subtract all the sources you have, who were Christians. And you have....nothing. No unbiased "observers". And almost none of the writings you cite were written during Jesus' lifetime either. So you got bupkis.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
  19. GodsPeople

    my comment on "Jesus deniers" is very simple:

    People are free to believe what they want to believe. on another thread, someone mentioned flat earth believers. They were comparing apples and oranges really, since science CAN disprove flat earth theory. Science has never been able to and will never be able to prove or disprove the existence of God. Jewish records show records of Yeshua (Jesus) and his existence, and of course some of the Jews did accept Him as the Messiah, today even more are.

    Pagans can be pagan. Buddhists can be buddhist. Even atheists can be atheist. Why can't Christians be Christian?

    April 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      There arent any jewish records of jesus. If there were, this wouldnt be much of a debate. Who's saying you cant be christian?

      April 9, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • William Demuth

      God

      I am not sure, but did you just deny the Holocaust in a previous posting?

      If so, I submit that as why Christians can't be permitted to be Christian.

      Whatever you want to call bigotry, it is still bigotry. Rewriting the past in a more favorable truth is the hallmark of Christianity.

      Luckily, no one is buying

      April 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      You're actually incorrect. There are records of His existence, and even the Jews admit they had Him crucified. They just won't admit He is the Messiah, the Son and Lamb of God. Messianic Jews, on the other hand, know that He is the Lamb of Passover.

      April 9, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @William: show me absolute and undeniable proof it happened. Until that happens (and said proof does not exist btw), it didn't happen. Next?

      April 9, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • William Demuth

      GodsPeople

      The testimony of my grandfather, who personally executed Jews in Poland as an instrument of the final solution.

      Good enough for you?

      April 9, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • William Demuth

      So the records of the Nazi's, and personal testimonies, and photographs, and films, and 500,000 printed records are no good, but a 2000 year old book printed by a special intrest group is infallible proof?

      April 9, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • mandarax

      GodsPeehole has already identified himself as a member of the white supremacist hate group "Stormfront." Nothing after that should surprise anyone. As for me, I will choose not to interact with him/her at all.

      April 9, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • hellodollyllama

      Science HAS shot down your only source for the existence of God, the Bible. Every time the Bible collides with science and fact, the Bible loses. And without the Bible, you have nothing. It is not up to us to disprove God - it's your job to prove it. That is how debate has worked since the age of Socrates. Nice try.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  20. mandarax

    "lives inside me.. speak to me and directs my way...whether I like it or not"

    Sounds like a tapeworm with mind control powers. You should totally get that looked at.

    April 9, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • JJ

      Absolutely...or a crazy person.

      April 9, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Your Mom

      Tapeworm, brainworm, clearly some sort debilitating parasite.

      April 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • hellodollyllama

      Hearing voices that no one else hears, isn't faith. It's hallucination.

      April 9, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
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