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BYU student video on homosexuality is not in violation of honor code, says administrator
One unnamed male student in the BYU video says he had thoughts of suicide.
April 9th, 2012
06:52 PM ET

BYU student video on homosexuality is not in violation of honor code, says administrator

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN)-– The students featured in a video about being gay at Brigham Young University are not in obvious violation of the honor code, according to Carri Jenkins, an assistant to the president of BYU.

Jenkins went on to say that for the video alone, the students would not be punished. The honor code, Jenkins said, is “based on conduct, not on feeling, and if same-gender attraction is only stated, that is not an honor code issue.”

All BYU students sign on to the honor code upon enrollment. The code outlaws premarital sex and breaking the code “may result in actions up to and including separation from the university.”

“Homosexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the honor code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings,” reads the honor code.

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The 9 minute, 37 second video features a number of gay, lesbian and bisexual students around BYU and is part of the larger “It Gets Better” video campaign started by writer Dan Savage. The project was started in response to a rash of suicides of teenagers who were bullied for being gay. The goal of the videos is to let people know they are not alone and that life gets better.

“It is very different to be gay and Mormon because it feels like neither community accepts you completely,” said Bridey Jensen, acting president of the group Understanding Same-Gender Attraction. “We put out the message for youth that are going through this and we want them to know that we were them a few years ago and it gets better and there is a place for you.”

Jensen’s organization is not recognized by the university, but she did say that professors and administrators have been supportive of what the group is trying to do.

The BYU video is unique in the fact that it discusses being gay at a university that has consistently been ranked as the most unfriendly campus for LGBT students in the country, according to Princeton Review.

Brigham Young is owned and operated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and many of the school’s board members are also church officials.

In 2007, the honor code was changed to state that it is based on conduct, not on feeling. Jenkins said, however, that the university observed that policy even before the rule change.

“One's stated sexual orientation is not an honor code issue,” was added in 2007.

Throughout the video, students speak of the hardships they have encountered. In some instances, students talk about their thoughts of suicide.

"I thought that eventually maybe it would be better if I died," said one unnamed male student, "so I did everything I could to really be that perfect Mormon. I thought that was going to cure myself."

Jenkins said what concerned her most about the videos was the talk of suicide.

“I hoped they would use the services available to them and that they would take advantage of the professional services that we have,” Jenkins said, speaking about the university's counseling services.

Though Jensen acknowledged the hardships of being gay and Mormon, she said that in her leadership of this unaffiliated group she has seen an unexpected changing attitude among Mormons toward gay rights.

Jensen said she believes that while church doctrine has not changed, feelings toward LGBT members of the church have.

“I am not sure how much the doctrine or policy within the church will change, but there is definitely a changing of how they treat the issue and how they treat the people who are gay,” Jensen said. “It is definitely getting better within the church. They are not so quick to judge. They understand that they don’t understand everything.”

Richard Bushman, a pre-eminent scholar on the doctrine and history of Mormonism, echoed Jensen. He says the fact this debate is even allowed to occur is a signal of liberalization in attitudes toward homosexuality in Mormonism.

“The last 10 years have been a huge sea change in terms of willingness to accept homosexuals,” Bushman said. “Gay kids are still going to have a tough time in the church, but this level of acceptance and acknowledgement, that is really that last decade I would say.”

Even within the last decade, however, the church has had a confrontational history with gay rights. When Proposition 8, a state constitutional amendment to make same-sex marriage illegal in California, was challenged, Mormons contributed half the $40 million war chest that was used to defend the proposition, according to TIME magazine. Mormons made up 2% of the Californian population.

During the Proposition 8 debate, the church leadership penned a letter that was to be read to all congregations on June 29, 2008.

“We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to assure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman,” read the letter. “Our best efforts are required to preserve the sacred institution of marriage.”

The response from gay rights activists was fierce; many accused the church of bigotry and blind religious obedience.

Jensen, however, as a gay Mormon, took a more nuanced look at the Proposition 8 debate.

“I think that what Prop 8 was all about was the church has a stance that eternal marriage is between a man and a woman,” Jensen said. “As a religious institution, they have every right to protect that.”

Jensen said that while the church defended that position, congregants at large “don’t view us [LGBT Mormons] any different.”

In the video, the students state that 1,800 students at BYU are members of the LGBT community. According to Jensen, those numbers were extrapolated from national numbers that show between 6% and 10% of people have homosexual urges at some point in their lives.

With around 34,000 students at BYU, Jensen said they figured around 1,800 would have experience homosexual urges.

Jenkins disputes those numbers, stating that the university has never collected data on the number of LGBT students at BYU. Those numbers are not “scientifically valid,” Jenkins said.


soundoff (659 Responses)
  1. Jon O

    All the proof I need that Mormons are just as evil as the rest of their non-progressive Christian brethren.

    April 10, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • sielingfan

      because.... they.... tolerate gays?

      I'm........ ugh. I need some duct tape for my head.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Burps

      If Mormons are your idea of evil, I hate to know what you think of murderers, rapists, and child molesters. May God bless your soul.

      April 10, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • steve

      why are they evil?

      April 11, 2012 at 9:31 am |
  2. sumday

    If gays are born that way and have no choice in the matter- where does that leave the argument about child molesters? Just saying if you are going to use the argument of being born this way then what do you have to say to the child molester who will also say they are just born that way?

    April 10, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • Primewonk

      If straights are born that way and have no choice in the matter- where does that leave the argument about child molesters? Just saying if you are going to use the argument of being born this way then what do you have to say to the child molester who will also say they are just born that way?

      See how ridiculous your argument is?

      April 10, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • J.W

      Child molesters are harming another human being. That is the main difference.

      April 10, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • BRC

      @Sumday,
      There is actually a considerable following in the field of psycology that says pedophilia IS a born in characteristic, that is intrinsic and unalterable in some individuals. The differnce is that An adult taking advantage of a child is widely accepted as morally reprehensible, and in pretty much all developed nations illegal. Two adults of the same gender engaging in a physical relationship is neither of those things. IT may be something you consider gross, but there's no reason to think of it as wrong. You're making a poor comparison.

      April 10, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • No Religion

      Child Molesters are sick perverted people. The fact that you would make the comparison of a pedophile to a gay person shows the level of your ignorance and stupidity. It's people like you that were not born as they say they were. No on is born a bigot....YOU MADE THAT CHOICE!

      April 10, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Magic Jew

      On the contrary, I argue that you should do the gene pool a favor and go off yourself.

      April 10, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      CONSENT
      Intercourse between consenting adults harms nobody and is not illegal.
      Non-consensual intercourse between adults is called r.ape and is a crime.
      A child cannot give informed consent – hence pedophilia is criminal.
      Animals are not capable of informed consent – therefore beastiality is a crime.
      Say it with me now – CONSENT

      April 10, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • captain america

      No one here really gives a sh it what you do in your country. Say it with me leave US to Us and go screw yourself. There's your sign

      April 10, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Trip

      Everyone LGBT person I've known personally had se.xual trauma in their childhood, without exception. They weren't born that way, but it's still not a choice, in my experience, and is obviously a hard thing to handle and should be treated with love, not hate, just like everybody else.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @cap'n Sayin atheism isn't an angry pervert newman sue
      I tried to screw myself, but I kept falling off the couch.
      Just because you're flexible enough to keep your head jammed up your own a$$ 24/7 doesn't mean that the rest of us are.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Trip
      You don't know very many gay folk, do you?

      April 10, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • captain america

      As long as you are willing to screw yourself try minding your own F'n business as well. We don't need your BS opinion, it means nothing to US. There's your sign

      April 10, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • GodPot

      @Trip – "Everyone LGBT person I've known personally had se.xual trauma in their childhood, without exception"

      If you consider the majority of their peers trying to pigeon hole them into a gender identlty they did not feel they fit "se.xual trauma" then yes, most have gone through the difficult adjustment of finding out why they feel different and then coming to terms with their se.xual identlty in a world of bullys and ignorant religious zealots telling them they will burn in heII if they don't conform.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • todd in DC

      *Sigh* this old argument? Child molesters are power trippers. Some molest boys, some molest girls. 90% of molesters are hetero. What is your point? You are comparing relations between 2 willing partners who are the same gender to a forced penetration between and older person (usually male) and someone too young to give legal consent.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • todd in DC

      Actually, Doc Vestibule, beastiality is not a crime... in Texas. Yup, in the reddest of red states, you can have carnal relations with a sheep and it's perfectly legal.

      Doesn't really surprise me.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
  3. Primewonk

    From the article, " In 2007, the honor code was changed to state that it is based on conduct, not on feeling. "

    More idiocy from the fundiot nutters. Do you know what we call a celibate gay person? We call them gay.

    And there god's own words state that committing lust in your heart is just as bad as doing it for real.

    The core issue here is that the god of the fundiots was plain wrong about this. He was so incompetent about science that he didn't haave a clue about the multivariate biological nature of se.xual orientation. Although, to be fair, we shouldn't single this god out for getting the whole gay thing wrong, when he totally screwed up so many other things in science as well.

    April 10, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
  4. SAPPERNU

    This year, BYU suspense a top basketball player for breaking the school Honor Code but, a gay student does not violate the honor code, HHUUMMM that makes sense!!

    April 10, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Nonimus

      Didn't the BYU-BB player admit to violating the code, i.e. having pre-marital se.x? The article states that the students in the video don't admit to any actions, just feelings. That is the difference.

      April 10, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
  5. Reality

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    April 10, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • Cindy

      Doesn't it concern any of you commenting that the good people of the Morman faith when urged by their church gave $20M to defeat prop 8. Seems to me that this is not a church but a political action organization and should be taxed.....

      April 10, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • sumday

      Devil’s advocate here- if you are going to use the reasoning that gays are born this way and have no choice in the matter then where does that leave the argument against child molesters? Huh? I mean they are born that way too. Just saying asking certain people to accept gay relationships as normal is like someone asking you to accept child molesting as normal bc after all they are born that way and don’t have a choice.

      Also just bc you are “born gay” does not mean you have to act on those desires- this is no different than a person who never marries not having premarital intercourse. Just saying if one remains true to the ancient teachings then an unmarried man would go through the same struggles of denying his urges as a gay man would go through denying his urges.

      April 10, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @Sumday – you make a false association between being gay and being a child molestor. This is a frequent, albeit dishonest, ploy of ho.mophobic bigots. You might as well state, " if you are going to use the reasoning that straights are born this way and have no choice in the matter then where does that leave the argument against child molesters?"

      Being born gay is a natural variant of se.xual orientation. You might as well condemn a group of folks for having the audacity of being born left-handed.

      Seriously – do any of you nutters ever crack open a science journal?

      April 10, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • be quiet

      @sumday, there's a huge difference between playing devil's advocate and being a complete and utter moron. check into that difference next time you choose to post something.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Reality

      Off topic but since ped-ophelia has entered the discussion:

      http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Ped-ophilia.html

      "The onset of ped-ophilia usually occurs during adolescence. Occasional ped-ophiles begin their activities during middle age but this late onset is uncommon. In the United States, about 50% of men arrested for ped-ophilia are married. "

      http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Ped-ophilia.html#ixzz0iQulgGTp

      "A survey was administered to 193 male undergraduate students regarding their se-xual interest in children, as well as their responses to a number of questions theoretically relevant to pedophilia. In total, 21 % of subjects reported se-xual attraction to some small children, 9% described se-xual fantasies involving children, 5% admitted to having mas-turbated to such fantasies, and 7% indicated some likelihood of having se-x with a child if they could avoid detection and punishment. These se-xual interests were associated with negative early se-xual experiences, mas-turbation to por-nography, self-reported likelihood of ra-ping a woman, frequent s-ex partners, se-xual conflicts, and atti-tudes supportive of se-xual dominance over women. The data did not, however, support clinical theories regarding se-xual repression or impulse-control problems among potential ped-ophiles."

      And this from Wikipedia:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ped-ophilia

      Due to the stereotype that ped-ophiles are always male, it has been difficult to determine the prevalence of female pedophiles; however, studies in the UK and USA suggest that a range of 5% to 20% of child se-xual abuse offenses are perpetrated by women.[20]”

      So even if Benedict removed the RCC celibacy and gender requirements for the priesthood, pedophilia would still be a problem.

      Bottom line: 1. Se-x is complicated 2. More s-ex education is needed to include reviewing the above with your kids. 3. Self-control does solve a lot of issues as does mast-urbation. i.e. Some studies indicate for example, routine se-xual activity reduces the risk of prostate cancer.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • btldriver

      Cindy - the LDS church did not donate a dime to the campaign for Prop 8 but they did encourage individual members to do what they could to help pass the proposition and some felt they could help monetarily so the Church is operating within the law. I know that there have been many who have said the Church did donate but no one has yet to provide any real proof.

      April 10, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • Dwight Rogers

      Members of the LDS Church donated very little to Prop. 8 in comparison to other groups. The LDS Church donated less than a half of one percent of the total amount donated for Prop 8. Yet the LDS Church takes all the flack for it. That shows some real bias.

      "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has filed the final report of its contributions — all of which were non-monetary — to the ProtectMarriage coalition," said Scott Trotter, church spokesman. "The report, submitted in advance of the Jan. 31 deadline, details in-kind donations totaling $189,903.58.

      "The value of the church's in-kind contribution is less than one half of 1 percent of the total funds (approximately $40 million) raised for the Yes on 8 campaign. The church did not make any cash contribution," he said. - http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705282297/LDS-C...

      April 11, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
  6. Primewonk

    These nutters have no credibility. Of course, most fundiots (fundamentalist îdiots) groups have no credibility. Ho.mophobes, racists, misogynistic cretins.

    April 10, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • Urafkntool

      You read directly out of the "Zionists Handbook for White Genocide," don't you?

      April 10, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @Urafkntool – Sorry Sparky, but I don't speak cretin. You might want to translate that for me.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      What you mean is you don't have the intellectual capabilities to understand what someone far more intelligent, insightful, and worldly than you says. What I said was fairly understandable. Your comments show that your entire life is built around genociding white people out of existence. G-a-y-s are just another weapon used, as when there are more g-a-y-s there are less white babies. I'll bet that makes libtards like you happy.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Church of Suicidal

      You'll have to forgive the Tool, Primewonk. His hood's on too tight and it's cutting off the blood flow to his tiny, inbred brain. Never fear though, his head will explode when Obama wins a second term in November.

      April 10, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  7. SueEllen

    I hope this deviant likes hot weather because he'll have plenty in the afterlife!

    God bless and happy Tuesday!

    April 10, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Kelly

      "I hope this deviant likes hot weather because he'll have plenty in the afterlife!"

      No, being gay is not a sin, your lack of understanding of God's love is the real reason Christianity is in the toilet.

      April 10, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • Primewonk

      So, SueEllen – your god commands that you kill gay folks. Are you doing this? If not, why not? At least your îdiot Muslim cousins have the balls to obey the commands of your god. Who do you think yopur god will be more "well pleased" with?

      April 10, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Is it possible that Cap'n Sayin' Atheism Isn't an Angry Pervert Neuman has adopted a female persona now?
      Sue's statement seems awfully Trollish to me...

      April 10, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • momoya

      Sue, on another board some christian stated that Hitler was not a christian because a christian wouldn't act the way he did.. I replied that I reject the christian god on the same basis.. (The christian god cannot be god because the real god wouldn't act the way biblegod did/does).

      Why in the world should anyone believe that your god is THE god if he's such a twisted freak that he tortures his enemies forever and ever and ever?. What a stupid belief in such an evil deity!!

      April 10, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • sam

      Not this troll again. Come on, get a better schtick.

      April 10, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • LinCA

      @Doc Vestibule

      You said, "Is it possible that Cap'n Sayin' Atheism Isn't an Angry Pervert Neuman has adopted a female persona now?"

      Yesterday, HeavenSent seemed to claim to be at least one of the incarnations of just sayin and acknowledging to be female. See:
      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/09/can-a-public-servant-be-a-non-believer/comment-page-1/#comment-1181401

      But who knows, hijacking a handle is pretty easy.

      April 10, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • myweightinwords

      Cheerily condemning another to eternal torment is such a pleasant way to spread the Love of god, isn't it?

      April 10, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Nonimus

      @momoya,
      "The christian god cannot be god because the real god wouldn't act the way biblegod did/does"
      Interesting logic, like a No True God argument. 'There is no God because a true Christian God wouldn't behave this way'. I like it.
      Although, I suspect it is a variation on the Logical Problem of Evil started by Epicurus.

      April 10, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • anna

      Yes!

      And instead of talking about suicide – just do it!

      April 10, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Magic Jew

      LOL @ threatening people with eternal burning and torment because you find it icky that he's gay. You are what is wrong with our species.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • todd in DC

      Actually, Momoya, Hitler was Catholic, and he never renounced his faith. So yup, he was a Christian.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
  8. Doc Vestibule

    Brigham Young had 55 wives.
    It is ironic that a religion that had non traditional marriage as one of their original defining tenets would be so against gay marriage.

    April 10, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • BRC

      @Doc,
      Technically in the Abrahamic religions polygamy IS traditional marriage. The strange thing is that so many pushing for marriage being "between one mand and one woman" claim that that is the position supported by the bible, and that it is sacred as such. But hey, what's life without a little irony right?

      April 10, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • johnfrichardson

      Bible clearly is pro-polygamy, specifically pro-polygyny.

      April 10, 2012 at 10:51 am |
  9. johnfrichardson

    Some things do seem to be changing slowly for the better. Very slowly, but for the better all the same.

    April 10, 2012 at 9:20 am |
  10. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things

    April 10, 2012 at 7:03 am |
    • doctore0

      Your magic man and magic book = 100% lies, scam, fraud; You are a victim of religion...

      April 10, 2012 at 7:53 am |
    • i'm not a doctor but i play one on tv

      And you of a victim of your own mortality

      April 10, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • johnfrichardson

      Believing silly things doesn't confer immortality. How sad that people will make such rubbish not just part of their lives, but central to it.

      April 10, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • Jesus

      `Prayer doesn’t not; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~

      April 10, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • johnfrichardson

      Jesus, if you are going to repost your reply 10,000 times, could you fix the first line, ie the garbled "Prayer doesn't not"?

      April 10, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • Jesus

      "Jesus, if you are going to repost your reply 10,000 times, could you fix the first line, ie the garbled "Prayer doesn't not"?"

      Nope but it's fun to see you only posted towards my response and not the original posters. Typical.

      April 10, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Likealion

      Atheism is not healthy......is a troll; he/she believes the opposite of they post. The person posting as "jesus" is also a troll; probably the same person.

      April 10, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
  11. Saved

    I was saved by destruction.
    I was saved by revenge
    I was saved by grace under pressure.
    I was saved by foolishness.
    I was saved by wisdom.
    I was saved by lightening.
    I was saved by thunder.
    I was saved by hunger.
    I was saved by a feast.
    Jesus was not there. We are on our own.

    April 10, 2012 at 5:45 am |
    • just sayin

      Grace and wisdom come from God. God bless

      April 10, 2012 at 9:01 am |
    • William Demuth

      If you're looking for Jeebus, i hear he was deported.

      I think he lives in a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon these days.

      April 10, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • OhPlease

      "Grace and wisdom come from God"

      That's why so many Christians are adulterers, full of gluttony, greed and pass judgment on so many people on this blog, you're nothing but a hypocrite.

      April 10, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Yes YOU are!

      April 10, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Jake

      I find it extremely ironic that there are those out there that would condemn others, specifically the LDS faith, because of their beliefs and scream intolerance and narrow-mindedness and bigotry while in the same breath completely disregard, insult and defame our beliefs and our views. That is simply hypocritical. One cannot cry intolerance while at the same time be himself intolerant of the views of another. It is not our place to criticize and condemn the beliefs of another. We can be tolerant of the beliefs of another without having to believe it ourselves. But I see so many who completely contradict themselves in this manner. Tolerance is a two-way street.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Church of Suicidal

      Grace Under Pressure comes from Canada.

      April 10, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
  12. truth

    1 Corinthians 5 >>
    New International Version 1984

    9I have written you in my letter not to associate with se-x-ually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are im-moral, or the greedy and swindlers, or id-olaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is se-xu-ally immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

    12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you

    April 10, 2012 at 3:08 am |
    • BeHonest

      Nice verse, but you forgot to mention that the bible as we know it has been translated, heavily censored, and heavily modified by the Roman Catholic Church.

      Besides, Corinthians is a collection of letters from a man (Paul, was it?), and was not teachings coming from Jesus or God.

      April 10, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • just sayin

      ALL scripture is God breathed... God bless

      April 10, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • todd in DC

      My son talked back to me, so I killed him, just like it told me to do in the Bible. God bless.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  13. tallulah13

    I'm sure as soon as enough mormons believe that gays and lesbians deserve a place in the church, or as soon as the law forbids discrimination against gays and lesbians, the church "prophet" will have a vision saying that it's okay. That seems to be how these things work in the LDS church.

    April 10, 2012 at 1:30 am |
    • Janice

      How correct you are Tallulah13 I lived in Utah for 17 years. I remember all the revelations from that time period. Like when it was ok for African American people to join the church or be able to go to BYU. What made me mad was when they broke into my TV show to tell me about the revelations

      April 10, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • J.W

      Whoa they cancelled shows to talk about a new revelation, like they do with weather reports? I am a religious person but that is taking it a little too far.

      April 10, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
  14. b4bigbang

    momoya: "Why dodge the question, b4? How in the world do you get "hostility" from that post?!? You christians are weird!"

    Are you serious momoya? You think it's gentlemanly to engage in name-calling? I attended a debate between a Christian and an atheist at a local college and NOT ONE derogatory word was spoken.

    Do you think it's ok to throw out words like "idiot" just because it's a posting board? That just makes you a troll momoya, rather than someone who wishes to debate politely.

    You mentioned that you were raised Independent Baptist, and i take it that you resent it. How is your relationship with your parents?
    If they're still alive, do you visit them often? And when you do, do you use words like 'idiot' to describe their God? Does it not offend them? Do you no longer love them?

    How about the people you interact with at school or work? I'm assuming you have enough wisdom to refrain from rudeness at those places.

    April 9, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ahhahhhahhhhhahhha, Pot, meet kettle.

      Look up "hypocrite" in the dictionary, dingus. Your picture will be next to the definition.

      April 9, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • momoya

      The god of the bible is an idiot by any possible standard at all.. Why shouldn't I call him that?. What do you care?. I'm not calling you an idiot.. You should really watch the video I posted below.. It really speaks to your behavior, here.

      April 9, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      So, how IS your relationship with your parents momoya?

      April 10, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • johnfrichardson

      The god of the bible is a jerk and an idiot. I was raised Methodist. John Wesley was a self-impressed, verbose fool. My relations with my parents have never been perfect, but have always been good. Yesterday would have been my father's 101st birthday (he made it to 96). I posted an online birthday greeting to him yesterday. I had dinner with my elderly mother on Sunday and we spoke about dad a bit. Who the hell are you to question anybody's personal relations?

      April 10, 2012 at 9:17 am |
    • momoya

      b4bigbang

      How's your relationship with your sadistic, tyrannical god??. Do you share his passion for eternal torture?. Can't you just imagine the day you'll be sitting around in heaven–praising god for the trillionth, trillionth time–smelling "the smoke of their torment" of the unsaved as it rises into the throne room of god??. It's going to be a blast for you, isn't it?

      I reject your god as god for the same reason you reject Hitler as a christian.. Except I find your god much, much, much more evil than Hitler could ever contemplate.

      April 10, 2012 at 11:12 am |
  15. Haley Behre

    Reblogged this on haleybehre.

    April 9, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
  16. Monti

    Jesus was gay so what is the big deal?????????????????????

    April 9, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    April 9, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~ ;-P

      April 10, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Burps

      @Jesus,
      I will pray for you even if you don't believe it. It's called Faith and I have it. Don't worry, God can take the fact that you don't believe. He still loves you and so do I and that is why I'll pray for you.

      April 10, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  18. momoya

    This video is for b4bigbang and any other christian who THINKS that atheists are being hostile when they aren't at all:
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8ZMMuu7MU

    April 9, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
  19. TheRationale

    Why? Why do you care about what other people do in their personal lives and bedrooms? Why do you even want to know?

    How unsurprisingly Christian...

    April 9, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      I had a great Easter and i am having an excellent day today as well. The weather is warm and sunny, and i just want to thank the Intelligent Designer who is the Father of all the physical laws, gravity, etc, etc.!
      Yep. He set up the universe and we study it with our science and it gives me a sense of awe.

      April 9, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • momoya

      Too bad your god isn't as observable and verifiable as gravity and the physical laws of the universe.. What an idiot your god is!! Somehow he's able to get gravity, chemistry, and math just right for us to discover, but he can't do the same for himself.

      April 9, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • Me

      But what about when it spills into the "public square"? Then can we speak up?

      Christian.

      April 9, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Why the hostility momoya?

      April 9, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Gee, I can't speak for mono, but how can you wonder why someone exhibits hostility toward you, you brainless dolt?

      April 9, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • momoya

      Why dodge the question, b4? How in the world do you get "hostility" from that post?!? You christians are weird!

      April 9, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      b4bigbang..what a boring view of life.. I prefer the truth far more interesting and exciting than a sacrifice.

      April 9, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      That's because you actually possess a working cerebrum. Bfarting ain't so lucky.

      April 9, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • HellBent

      Why in the world did your "Intelligent" Designer give us necessary organs of questionable value that occassionally kill us? Is it sadistic?

      April 9, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Me (aka Christian),
      "But what about when it spills into the "public square"? Then can we speak up?"
      Not entirely sure what you mean by "spills into the public square," but I suggest you do the same thing you would do with any other personal/bedroom matter spills into public. If it's obscene, then it's probably illegal. But just because you don't "like" it, is no reason to think it's illegal.
      I don't care for obese people wearing spandex, but I'm not going to call the cops about it. I tend to look the other way. Gee, it's kind of like turning the other cheek when you think about it.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
  20. HotAirAce

    If the morons are so uptight about sex, I wonder if the code has a section that reads something like:

    "Hetrosexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the honor code. Hetrosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the opposite sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to hetrosexual feelings."

    April 9, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Kejsare

      Yes, it does say something to that effect and they take it seriously.

      April 9, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • GodPot

      They seriously take it... over and over.. yeah, thats right, seriously take it, you know you want to...

      And I'm pretty sure HAA was making the point that this is exactly what the honor code says, not just something to the effect, which is why it's in quotes.

      April 9, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls!

      I was seriously curious to know if they specifically singled out homosexuals. If they have a similar section about hetrosexual behaviour, they could have simply written:

      "Sexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the honor code. Sexual behavior includes not only sexual relations, but all forms of physical intimacy."

      and avoided any controversy.

      April 9, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
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