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BYU student video on homosexuality is not in violation of honor code, says administrator
One unnamed male student in the BYU video says he had thoughts of suicide.
April 9th, 2012
06:52 PM ET

BYU student video on homosexuality is not in violation of honor code, says administrator

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN)-– The students featured in a video about being gay at Brigham Young University are not in obvious violation of the honor code, according to Carri Jenkins, an assistant to the president of BYU.

Jenkins went on to say that for the video alone, the students would not be punished. The honor code, Jenkins said, is “based on conduct, not on feeling, and if same-gender attraction is only stated, that is not an honor code issue.”

All BYU students sign on to the honor code upon enrollment. The code outlaws premarital sex and breaking the code “may result in actions up to and including separation from the university.”

“Homosexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the honor code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings,” reads the honor code.

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The 9 minute, 37 second video features a number of gay, lesbian and bisexual students around BYU and is part of the larger “It Gets Better” video campaign started by writer Dan Savage. The project was started in response to a rash of suicides of teenagers who were bullied for being gay. The goal of the videos is to let people know they are not alone and that life gets better.

“It is very different to be gay and Mormon because it feels like neither community accepts you completely,” said Bridey Jensen, acting president of the group Understanding Same-Gender Attraction. “We put out the message for youth that are going through this and we want them to know that we were them a few years ago and it gets better and there is a place for you.”

Jensen’s organization is not recognized by the university, but she did say that professors and administrators have been supportive of what the group is trying to do.

The BYU video is unique in the fact that it discusses being gay at a university that has consistently been ranked as the most unfriendly campus for LGBT students in the country, according to Princeton Review.

Brigham Young is owned and operated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and many of the school’s board members are also church officials.

In 2007, the honor code was changed to state that it is based on conduct, not on feeling. Jenkins said, however, that the university observed that policy even before the rule change.

“One's stated sexual orientation is not an honor code issue,” was added in 2007.

Throughout the video, students speak of the hardships they have encountered. In some instances, students talk about their thoughts of suicide.

"I thought that eventually maybe it would be better if I died," said one unnamed male student, "so I did everything I could to really be that perfect Mormon. I thought that was going to cure myself."

Jenkins said what concerned her most about the videos was the talk of suicide.

“I hoped they would use the services available to them and that they would take advantage of the professional services that we have,” Jenkins said, speaking about the university's counseling services.

Though Jensen acknowledged the hardships of being gay and Mormon, she said that in her leadership of this unaffiliated group she has seen an unexpected changing attitude among Mormons toward gay rights.

Jensen said she believes that while church doctrine has not changed, feelings toward LGBT members of the church have.

“I am not sure how much the doctrine or policy within the church will change, but there is definitely a changing of how they treat the issue and how they treat the people who are gay,” Jensen said. “It is definitely getting better within the church. They are not so quick to judge. They understand that they don’t understand everything.”

Richard Bushman, a pre-eminent scholar on the doctrine and history of Mormonism, echoed Jensen. He says the fact this debate is even allowed to occur is a signal of liberalization in attitudes toward homosexuality in Mormonism.

“The last 10 years have been a huge sea change in terms of willingness to accept homosexuals,” Bushman said. “Gay kids are still going to have a tough time in the church, but this level of acceptance and acknowledgement, that is really that last decade I would say.”

Even within the last decade, however, the church has had a confrontational history with gay rights. When Proposition 8, a state constitutional amendment to make same-sex marriage illegal in California, was challenged, Mormons contributed half the $40 million war chest that was used to defend the proposition, according to TIME magazine. Mormons made up 2% of the Californian population.

During the Proposition 8 debate, the church leadership penned a letter that was to be read to all congregations on June 29, 2008.

“We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to assure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman,” read the letter. “Our best efforts are required to preserve the sacred institution of marriage.”

The response from gay rights activists was fierce; many accused the church of bigotry and blind religious obedience.

Jensen, however, as a gay Mormon, took a more nuanced look at the Proposition 8 debate.

“I think that what Prop 8 was all about was the church has a stance that eternal marriage is between a man and a woman,” Jensen said. “As a religious institution, they have every right to protect that.”

Jensen said that while the church defended that position, congregants at large “don’t view us [LGBT Mormons] any different.”

In the video, the students state that 1,800 students at BYU are members of the LGBT community. According to Jensen, those numbers were extrapolated from national numbers that show between 6% and 10% of people have homosexual urges at some point in their lives.

With around 34,000 students at BYU, Jensen said they figured around 1,800 would have experience homosexual urges.

Jenkins disputes those numbers, stating that the university has never collected data on the number of LGBT students at BYU. Those numbers are not “scientifically valid,” Jenkins said.


soundoff (659 Responses)
  1. Schizoid

    "Religion is the most dangerous and destructive human construct ever. More people have died in the name of "god" than anything else. People who follow religion are idiots." -poiuytre-

    Let me make that comment more accurate, my friend

    "Goverments are the most dangerous and destructive human construct ever. More people have died in the name of political ideology than anything else.
    Remember the 50 million of WW2?, The 40 million of the great leap foward and the cultural revolution in china?, the starving masses in communist russia?, The constant bombing of any country that holds any difference with USA and that has killed more than 10 millions during the last 50 years? People who support any goverment are idiots."

    Seriously, I can´t believe that the same brilliant rationalist mind that dwell the internet these days are so eager to point to any flaws or evils that organized religons contains, but turn a blind eye to any other human enterprise that is capable or has done more damage than the later, seriously we created all these socials structures too, you know. Either you are resented or just trolling

    April 10, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  2. Levi

    Oh I hate it when people refer to gay people as " gay" how degrading like we're a sub species... When do we ever say "a straight" rude breeders

    April 10, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
  3. BANGARANG

    If atheists don't believe in an afterlife why are they wasting their precious time ranting about a non-news article? Shouldn't you be out enjoying your limited time on earth?

    April 10, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • no nothing

      we would rather bother you insted

      April 10, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • Chad

      Exactly...

      April 10, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
  4. no nothing

    GAY GAY GAY I'M SO GAY that's the way god created me, right, in his or her image, right?

    April 10, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
  5. Evil_Atheist

    Why is it OK to hate gays, but saying that a religious sect is wrong for supporting bigotry is grounds for condemnation? Moral relativism and political correctness swing both ways, and when we condone hate masquerading as faith we're doing greater harm than tolerating and allowing people to live & let live.

    April 10, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
  6. BANGARANG

    How is this even news.

    April 10, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Todd E.

      It's part of CNN's Belief Blog. They are not presenting it as news. You are an idiot.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Wonder Woman

      I agree. Why is this considered newsworthy?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • J Mayhart

      It is meant to be regarded as news, it's on a market leading news site and is meant to attract viewership and readership. So how's it not being portrayed as news? IDIOT

      April 10, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
  7. Martin

    the weak minded do need their religion, To think for yourself, study, research, conduct honest inquiry, takes mental work. The weak minded are more dangerous without religion, they need punishment and reward as moral training wheels. They cannot think beyond that level or morality. Because they are weak minded they believe in the imaginary supernatural realm to feed their ego and placate their fears.

    April 10, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • Frank

      True religion requires you to think for yourself, study, research and conduct honest inquiry. How else could you be expected to devote your life to it? Any religion that doesn't allow this has something to hide and is not of God.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • whatguy

      If I was to believe anyone as weak minded, it would be the people, from any religion or lack thereof, that feel they must push their thoughts and feelings on the subject onto everyone else, and tell everyone else how to believe, because that way it validates their belief and backs them up, because they don't have the strength to believe on their own, everyone else must too!

      April 10, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Kurt

      So what of the many brilliant minds throughout history who have believed in a higher power (God if you)? Were they weak minded? I would bet that many of the ideas you study in order to do your research and conduct your honest inquiries came from the minds of people who believe in a God or higher power.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Brian

      Martin thank you I was unware that you had scientifically disproved the existance of GOD. Thank you and your strong mind. You do know that you don't know everything don't you?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • SBSTR

      Brian, what is your belief? That there is a god? One god? Many gods? How do you explain multiple faiths with often conflicting or sometime diametrically opposite views about what gods might exist? Which is right? Have you disproved all of hypotheses other than the one you believe in?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  8. JAB

    I was a Mormon, went to BYU and even on a mission. The Mormons have always adjusted their faith/honor/morals to fit changing societal norms. They outlawed poligamy when it was no longer cool...they allowed African Americans to hold the priesthood only after the NCAA threatened to ban the football team from bowl games. Now they weasle out of their anti-gay stance by saying it's OK to have those feelings?? Unbelievable. Here's the truth from someone who was an insider..Mormons are about the same thing every other church is about. $$$$money$$$$

    April 10, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • Frank

      JAB

      You can guess at what the motivations for the church's actions are, but to say that you know because you were once a member of the church is stupid.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Jared

      As another "fallen" Mormon, (whose parents are serving a mission in SLC temple no less) I could not agree with you more. VERY WELL SAID!

      April 10, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Frank
      The primary motivation of teh LDS hierarchy are evident for all to see.
      "Ti.thing is an important test of our personal righteousness. President Joseph F. Smith (1838-1918) said: “By this principle it shall be known who is for the kingdom of God and who is against it. … By it it shall be known whether we are faithful or unfaithful” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 276)."

      To make sure congregants are paying up, each year they must go before a Bishop for a Ti.thing Settlement.
      A member is questioned in a one-on-one interview with the Bishop to ensure the member is paying a full 10%.
      Those members who are not paying a full 10% lose their temple recommendations and therefore are in serious jeopardy of losing their Celestial blessings.
      If a member cannot get into the temple, they cannot learn the secret handshake, secret password, secret "new name" and special “sealings”.
      Without these, the member will be unable to pass Joseph Smith and the angels who guard the entrance to the Celestial Kingdom.

      And where does the money go?
      According to the Deseret News Agency, the propaganda arm of the LDS, the Church has spent some $750 million internationally on charitable works since 1984.
      They have also spent 4 times that amount (approx $3 BILLION) in ¼ of the time to build a mall in Salt Lake City.
      Mormons are told: "if a dest.itute family is faced with the decision of paying their ti.thing or eating, they should pay their t.ithing." (Lynn Robbins, General Conference, April 2005).

      April 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • David

      The Mormons didn't change their rules on polygamy until they were forced to by the government. Polygamy ended because the US government would not allow Utah to become a state until they did.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • sam

      Frank – who the hell would know better than someone who was actually a member?

      April 10, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • JAB

      David
      Um, so...the church takes orders from the U.S. Government or God? Because if it's God, I'm sure he would have won in a stand-off with the U.S. Gov't. Just sayin'

      April 10, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Jab
      5 times Utah applied for statehood and 5 times they were denied due to Mormon polygamy.
      When the US gov't sent troops to SLC to depose Brigham Young, he sent a cadre of clandestine Mormons to sabotage the government. That event is known as the Mountain Meadow Massacre.
      Once Young was dead and gone, the Mormon council of 12 had a divine revelation banning polygamy. Since they were now in compliance with the Morrill laws banning polygamy, Utah was allowed entrance to the Union the next time they applied.

      April 10, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Chad

      Sad, you believe yourself, but worse you slander. Who better than a faithful member to call you out on your lies/misunderstanding.

      April 10, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
  9. Plug1

    @Urafkntool////
    I would LOVE!!! for you to call a Black man a monkey to their face you would look hilarious with a leg sticking out of
    your A$$!!!!

    April 10, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
  10. poiuytre

    Religion is the most dangerous and destructive human construct ever. More people have died in the name of "god" than anything else. People who follow religion are idiots.

    April 10, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • James

      There are more babies that have been aborted than have died in the name of any religion.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • sam stone

      james: many more miscarriages than abortions

      April 10, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Kurt

      Wow, those are some major generalizations! There are many good religious people, and much has been done in the name of religion that is good. Just because someone believes there is something greater than themselves in the universe doesn't make them an idiot.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ James – your god claims both omniscience and omnipotense. 50% of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion. Often before the woman even knows she is pregnant. Your god is responsible for each of those spontaneous abortions. Get him to knock it off, then we'll talk.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  11. Shaggy

    1904 – LDS Mormons finally give up on polygamy completely
    1978 – LDS Mormons finally admit Black people are not inferior race marked by Cain
    2007 – Brigham Young says it's ok to think you're Gay, as long as you don't do anything about it. Or get married

    Wow, what a record of progressive thought!

    April 10, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Thinker

      If you don't like our religion, don't join.

      I am not a progressive–I oppose Eugenics. Look at the "Progressive history" it is even uglier than you think the LDS history is.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Shaggy

      So treating gay people, blacks, and women as human beings is equivalent to eugenics now? You Mormons really are a brainwashed lot.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Shaggy
      They're not as progressive as you think.
      Under the direction of President Spencer W. Kimball, the First Presidency and the Twelve removed the policy that denied black people the priesthood but did very little to disrupt the multiple discourses that had fostered the policy in the first place.
      They still maintain that there is a direct link between skin colour and righteousness.

      The reason the ban was repealed was because in 1978, the LDS were opening their first temple in a country full of "cursed" people – Brazil. Prior to that, they had only expanded into lily white regions like England, Alberta and Switzerland.

      "From the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith even until now, it is has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Neg.roes are not ent.itled to the full blessings of the Gospel."
      – George Albert Smith J. Reuben Clark, Jr. and David O. McKay

      "We understand that when God made man in his own image and pronounced him very good, that he made him white. We have no record of any of God's favored servants being of a black race...every angel who ever brought a message of God's mercy to man was beautiful to look upon, clad in the purest white and with a countenance bright as the noonday sun. "
      (Juvenile Instructor)

      April 10, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
  12. Jake

    I find it extremely ironic that there are those out there that would condemn others, specifically the LDS faith, because of their beliefs and scream intolerance and narrow-mindedness and bigotry while in the same breath completely disregard, insult and defame our beliefs and our views. That is simply hypocritical. One cannot cry intolerance while at the same time be himself intolerant of the views of another. It is not our place to criticize and condemn the beliefs of another. We can be tolerant of the beliefs of another without having to believe it ourselves. But I see so many who completely contradict themselves in this manner. Tolerance is a two-way street. Let us be truly tolerant of one another.

    April 10, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • yeahalright

      Would you say you are intolerant of the views of, say, Hitler?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • xab

      The tenets of your religion amount to the teachings of a hate-group. To argue that you should have the right to be tolerated to be hateful misses the entire issue. You do not have a right to be hateful and hypocritical. You cannot pretend to preach love and be an absolute tyrant against normal, happy people who are different than you. Your belief systems causes people to kill themselves. How do you think you are worthy of tolerance?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Jake

      As stated above, it is neither mine nor anyone else's place to judge another human being. That being said, there are many things of which I do not condone. Please don't take my comment out of context by including Hitler. That is an irrational comparison to the topic at hand. Please stop trolling.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • xab

      That comment was correct. Your church condones and advocates action that tears the lives of normal happy people apart. It is based on fear, ignorance, bigotry and the exclusion of others. How is that not in line with what Hitler preached? How many people have killed themselves because your church has told them they are 2nd class, 3rd class or worse students. How many people have had to live with the inner turmoil that their normal feelings are somehow deemed wrong by what is written in a book that has no verification as to its veracity.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Jake

      @Xab,

      The tenets of my religion do not amount to the teachings of a hate-group. We are taught to love and respect all people regardless of our own perceptions and personal beliefs. I will admit that there are some within my religion that do not adhere to these precepts. However, it is not the position of the church to belittle others' beliefs. Each and every one of us has the freedom to choose for himself the path he will lead. No one can force him to do anything. As in any religion, society, or system of government there are rules and laws and the disobedience to said laws and rules results in consequences.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • REALIST

      churches are voluntary groups. You do have the right tofind chuches that fit your beliefs. We just need to do a better job about rescuing or showing people the way out of those environments. If the churches are not murdering or beating peoeple they have the right

      April 10, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • yeahalright

      Jake, dude, you said you can't claim intolerance yet be intolerant of the views of another. Why not? I'm not saying mormons are like hitler ok? get it? I'm saying your statement doesn't make sense, because you can quite logically and consistently claim intolerance while being intolerant of the views of another.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • Jake

      @yeahright

      My question is simply this: how can one logically and rationally expect someone else to be tolerant of their beliefs if they refuse to tolerate the beliefs of another?

      Tolerating the beliefs of another does not amount to condoning or conforming to those beliefs, it is simply respecting that others have strong feelings and opinions just as we ourselves do.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Jared

      Yes yeahalright, it is permissible to be intolerant of intolerance...idiot.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • bignevermo

      Hey Jake...have you ever seen the endowment movie... where YOUR religion makes fun of and equates the Protestant clergy the same as the devil??? did you go thru the edowment ceremony BEFORE 1990? your religion does to make fun of other religions! either you are ignorant or purposfully obfuscating your rligions doctrines and beliefs!

      April 10, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • Jake

      @bignevermo

      Have you been watching anti-mormon propaganda for your information here? Or have you actually gone to the actual source?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Kurt

      @bignevermo- Yes, because everything that happens in a movie is true. Have you ever been through an endowment session. I doubt it. So don't try to act like you know what goes on.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Tina

      Well said Jake. It is good to have something worth saying that can be stated calmly and with dignity. It is a demonstration of where your beliefs are based. I find is sad that Miss Jenkins is working to bring a difficult subject to the table in a dignified way, only to have such comments of hate made toward her religion.

      April 10, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
  13. Urafkntool

    Multiculturalism is evil, and anyone who believes in it is a complete moron.

    Cultural diversity is evil, and anyone who believes in it is a complete moron.

    Religion does tend to teach multiculturalism and DIEversity.

    April 10, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      Religion "teaches" and promotes ignorance and nothing but.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Casey

      Urafkntool – Jesus says in John 14 that, "My Father’s house has many rooms." I think there is room in heaven for people of many beliefs and creeds.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
  14. The 666 Club

    Religion is evil and anyone who still believes in it is an absolute moron.

    April 10, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Cassarit

      Shut your mouth you God hating idiot.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • gaucho420

      Amen brother. Religion is for the weak minded.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • xab

      How dare you! Religion is not for the weak-minded. I can't believe you said that.

      It's for those with no mind.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Brian

      Yeah, and you i bet believe we came from monkeys...LOL

      April 10, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      @Brian: Blacks did. Of course they haven't moved beyond Chimp either, but hey... can't have everything right?

      April 10, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • gaucho420

      And you beleive some dude named god sent his son to die for your sins and then, zombie jesus came back to save the day. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense...all hail Zombie Jesus, cleaning up what his Dad screwed up from the get go!

      I'll take the monkeys, as its backed 100% by science and facts...but hey, keep beleiving your BS written by totally uneducated people from 2,000 years ago.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Urafkntool

      @gaucho: What if I want to believe we whites were brought here on a starship from another planet to colonize this one as the main intelligent life form, since there wasn't another when the cave man was here?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • xab

      The only historical accounts of Jesus are.....in the bible. How convenient. Funny how we have umpteen thousands of sources about Julius Caesar, Marc Antony, other real life people and yet nothing on Jesus.

      Makes one go hmmmm.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Apparently brian and Urafkntool are îdiots who purposefully choose to be ignorant about science.

      Why is this not a surprise?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • see47

      Yay... see all the comments?

      The troll wins!

      April 10, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • sam stone

      What's the matter, Cassarit, did the good reverend not give you the common courtesy of a reach-around?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • sam stone

      Brian: No one is claiming we came from monkeys. Try to get some education before you embarrass yourself.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
  15. Frank

    I don't why anyone would say this is bigotry. Isn't a religion allowed to take stances on moral issues, even if they aren't popular? The LGBT kids at BYU have the same rules as everyone else there, which they agreed to keep. Jesus was compassionate to everyone including sinners, but he never taught tolerance for sin. I think the actions of the university are consistent with His example.

    April 10, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Scott

      But... isn't sin something for God, not people, to judge?

      April 10, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • yeahalright

      Uh...nobody's saying they aren't allowed to take stances on moral issues.
      When those stances are bigoted, which they are, expect to get called on it.
      You're allowed to be a bigot. I'm allowed to call you a bigot.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Except that being born gay is no more a "sin" than being born left-handed. This is just another example of what happens when people who are ignorant about something write religious tomes about it.

      The racist îdiots of years past claim they their god said those "colored" folks shouldn't marry us white folks. Heck, until a few years ago, the fine christian fundiots at Bob Jones University said that interracial dating was prohibited.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  16. Devon

    Not all religions are brainwashing garbage. I spent years walking the line between being an atheist and agnostic, but I have finally found a church were love and logic are our guiding principles. We understand that the bible is a teaching tool that requires deep analysis to obtain a proper understanding. We also do not treat it as the last and only word of god; just like any book it is written by man and as such is fallible. God gave us the power for reasoning so we could use it.

    April 10, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • J.W

      What denomination do you belong to?

      April 10, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Devon

      J.W.
      I attend a unity church.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Whatevs

      I'm sorry, does J.W. stand for Jehovah's Witness?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Whatevs

      Ha! I'm an idiot. Ignore my last comment...

      April 10, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  17. Mormon

    All you Mormon haters: you make me laugh. Such bigotry & prejudice & outright misinformation. Mormons don't talk like that about gay people, women, or minorities, but you all think it's okay to make inflammatory and prejudicial statements about Mormons? I think I'll stay Mormon thanks. They are much kinder and more open than many of you.

    April 10, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • gaucho420

      Really? Is that why the Mormon Church spent millions against gay marriage in California? Because they love the gays and respect them so much, they hoped a few states' over just to make them obey their teachings? Yeah, a real benevolent crew those Mormons!

      April 10, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Oneironaut

      No, Mormans just spend all their money towards legalizing their religious biases to the detriment of gay people and their families.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • yeahalright

      you're just as batcrap crazy as all the other religions that think their god and way is the one true god and way.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • W

      Wow you walked right into that one...

      April 10, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • xab

      It is your right to stay close-minded and bigoted.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
  18. REALIST

    Gays are what is wrong with America, i wish they need to go live in another country.

    April 10, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • REALIST

      To the guy that copied my name. The guy that works for CNN. Nice try I would not think that of anyone Gays deserve all the rights that everyone else is afforded. You need to go to another country and see how great the USA really is

      April 10, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • gaucho420

      No, its people like you that create problems in America, wandering into other people's bedrooms to tell them what they should and shouldn't do. Get a life and focus on your happiness and not what other's do in their own private time.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Mary

      You are so sick, i bet you are an atheist..

      April 10, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Oneironaut

      You might like it better in another country, Realist. In the Middle East it's a crime to be gay, often punishable by death. Sounds more in line with your thinking, so YOU can go live in a more suitable country.

      April 10, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • yeahalright

      Holy cow, get this realist person a nobel prize! He's figured it out! Our problems are due to gays! Who knew?! It's been staring me in the face this whole time! The economy, the wars, the potholes on my street even? This is great! Stop the presses, stop the studies, stop everything, just kick the gays out and everything will be great again!

      April 10, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • yeahalright

      Paranoid much Realist? Ooooh CNN has a guy especially devoted to copying your screen name and making posts with it. Get over yourself and/or check into a mental hospital specializing in paranoid schizophrenia.

      You. Aren't. That. Important.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Casey

      Bigotry is what is wrong with America.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • sam stone

      Wow, gays are what is wrong with this country? Not a poor economy, or partisan politics, or racial angst....gays.....you are a tool

      April 10, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • sam stone

      Mary: Spending lots of time on your knees, are you?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
  19. Chad

    Good article! The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a lot of understanding for a subject that cannot be fully understood by anyone. People on both sides of the issues should take notice. Everyone has feelings at one time or another that should not be acted on. It is the human condition; it challenges us to overcome ourselves. BYU does not punish anyone for having those feelings, but for acting on desires that are clearly not aligned with Godly values it does not service to someone to accept them in their miserable state of sin. It is more helpful for people to attain a better condition of self-control and dignity rather than everyone to stand back or reward them for acting on lusts of the flesh. Lust is not love. It never will bring the happiness and acceptance that its advocates so desperately seek. I'm happy to be part of a church that does not accept anything less than obedience to the laws that bring happiness. The LGBT community is off-base, and ironically counterproductive, if they press for anything more or less than that.

    April 10, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • REALIST

      your off base. Look past your own beliefs. This is why we have seperation of church and state to protect us from blind souls

      April 10, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • W

      How ironic that someone who implies they're not gay seems to know so much about what is and is not best for the LGBT community. Religion is dogma, plain and simple. Keep yours out of our lives and we'll be fine. Keep intruding and you'll get the fight you are asking for.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • yeahalright

      More or less than what, nutjob?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Primewonk

      A celibate gay person is still a gay person. These morons fail to understand the difference between behavior and orientation.

      Plus, your god says that committing lust in your heart is the same as doing it physically.

      April 10, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • sam stone

      By what right do you claim to know what "godly values" are, Chad?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Chad

      Realist–BYU = private university (separate from state and from your argument for that matter). W–more or less than obedience to the laws that bring happiness, you silly. Primework–Yes, that difference is key. But you're the one trying to lump everyone under "behavioral" (acting on it). Being tempted is "feeling" but is only lust in your heart if you think on acting on those temptations. Everyone feels (is tempted) to sin, but unless you desire it (sin by thinking it through), wanting to act on it in your heart, then until then it remains temptation and not sin. Sam Stone–from God (where priesthood authority comes from) Where else? I see you speak nothing of your authority/right or anyone else's to question like you do values established by God!

      April 10, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Chad

      Oops, "yeahalright" should be in place of what I put for "W." For W–Ironic you think being gay means more understanding on how to be happy living in sin, when in reality the trick to being happy is living without sin.

      April 10, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  20. REALIST

    Gays are what is wrong with America. They need to go live in another country.

    April 10, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Why do you hate the consti.tution?

      April 10, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • no nothing

      U R A T U R D

      April 10, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Cap'n Sayin Atheism Isn't an Angry Pervert Sue Neuman Relist
      Pick a name and stick with it, troll.

      April 10, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
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