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BYU student video on homosexuality is not in violation of honor code, says administrator
One unnamed male student in the BYU video says he had thoughts of suicide.
April 9th, 2012
06:52 PM ET

BYU student video on homosexuality is not in violation of honor code, says administrator

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN)-– The students featured in a video about being gay at Brigham Young University are not in obvious violation of the honor code, according to Carri Jenkins, an assistant to the president of BYU.

Jenkins went on to say that for the video alone, the students would not be punished. The honor code, Jenkins said, is “based on conduct, not on feeling, and if same-gender attraction is only stated, that is not an honor code issue.”

All BYU students sign on to the honor code upon enrollment. The code outlaws premarital sex and breaking the code “may result in actions up to and including separation from the university.”

“Homosexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the honor code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings,” reads the honor code.

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The 9 minute, 37 second video features a number of gay, lesbian and bisexual students around BYU and is part of the larger “It Gets Better” video campaign started by writer Dan Savage. The project was started in response to a rash of suicides of teenagers who were bullied for being gay. The goal of the videos is to let people know they are not alone and that life gets better.

“It is very different to be gay and Mormon because it feels like neither community accepts you completely,” said Bridey Jensen, acting president of the group Understanding Same-Gender Attraction. “We put out the message for youth that are going through this and we want them to know that we were them a few years ago and it gets better and there is a place for you.”

Jensen’s organization is not recognized by the university, but she did say that professors and administrators have been supportive of what the group is trying to do.

The BYU video is unique in the fact that it discusses being gay at a university that has consistently been ranked as the most unfriendly campus for LGBT students in the country, according to Princeton Review.

Brigham Young is owned and operated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and many of the school’s board members are also church officials.

In 2007, the honor code was changed to state that it is based on conduct, not on feeling. Jenkins said, however, that the university observed that policy even before the rule change.

“One's stated sexual orientation is not an honor code issue,” was added in 2007.

Throughout the video, students speak of the hardships they have encountered. In some instances, students talk about their thoughts of suicide.

"I thought that eventually maybe it would be better if I died," said one unnamed male student, "so I did everything I could to really be that perfect Mormon. I thought that was going to cure myself."

Jenkins said what concerned her most about the videos was the talk of suicide.

“I hoped they would use the services available to them and that they would take advantage of the professional services that we have,” Jenkins said, speaking about the university's counseling services.

Though Jensen acknowledged the hardships of being gay and Mormon, she said that in her leadership of this unaffiliated group she has seen an unexpected changing attitude among Mormons toward gay rights.

Jensen said she believes that while church doctrine has not changed, feelings toward LGBT members of the church have.

“I am not sure how much the doctrine or policy within the church will change, but there is definitely a changing of how they treat the issue and how they treat the people who are gay,” Jensen said. “It is definitely getting better within the church. They are not so quick to judge. They understand that they don’t understand everything.”

Richard Bushman, a pre-eminent scholar on the doctrine and history of Mormonism, echoed Jensen. He says the fact this debate is even allowed to occur is a signal of liberalization in attitudes toward homosexuality in Mormonism.

“The last 10 years have been a huge sea change in terms of willingness to accept homosexuals,” Bushman said. “Gay kids are still going to have a tough time in the church, but this level of acceptance and acknowledgement, that is really that last decade I would say.”

Even within the last decade, however, the church has had a confrontational history with gay rights. When Proposition 8, a state constitutional amendment to make same-sex marriage illegal in California, was challenged, Mormons contributed half the $40 million war chest that was used to defend the proposition, according to TIME magazine. Mormons made up 2% of the Californian population.

During the Proposition 8 debate, the church leadership penned a letter that was to be read to all congregations on June 29, 2008.

“We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to assure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman,” read the letter. “Our best efforts are required to preserve the sacred institution of marriage.”

The response from gay rights activists was fierce; many accused the church of bigotry and blind religious obedience.

Jensen, however, as a gay Mormon, took a more nuanced look at the Proposition 8 debate.

“I think that what Prop 8 was all about was the church has a stance that eternal marriage is between a man and a woman,” Jensen said. “As a religious institution, they have every right to protect that.”

Jensen said that while the church defended that position, congregants at large “don’t view us [LGBT Mormons] any different.”

In the video, the students state that 1,800 students at BYU are members of the LGBT community. According to Jensen, those numbers were extrapolated from national numbers that show between 6% and 10% of people have homosexual urges at some point in their lives.

With around 34,000 students at BYU, Jensen said they figured around 1,800 would have experience homosexual urges.

Jenkins disputes those numbers, stating that the university has never collected data on the number of LGBT students at BYU. Those numbers are not “scientifically valid,” Jenkins said.


soundoff (659 Responses)
  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things..

    April 11, 2012 at 7:50 am |
    • CC

      I hate your face, you always post the same dumb thing about prayers. Get over it you're wasting your time.

      April 11, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • just sayin

      What does that face you hate look like? Describe it please. God bless

      April 11, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not change anything; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~ , 😛

      April 11, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • Robert

      "What does that face you hate look like?"

      Look in the mirror.

      April 11, 2012 at 10:48 am |
  2. Nii

    TRUTHPREVAILS
    I even misquoted de article which says 6-10% of Americans had gay feelings b4. This ties in very well with my friends experience where he complained about his girl n de next moment we heard he had used someones rear entrance. I don't think anyone is threatening them. Some r muscular.

    April 11, 2012 at 6:59 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Nii: Se.xual orientation, as noted by science-the only reliable source for these things, has stated that being gay is not a choice and is purely natural. I know enough people who kept it hidden due to fear, not due to it being a choice...the only choice they made was to deny who they really are for fear of retribution. You have in the past defined being gay as two men only and yet science disagrees with you completely...it is two people of the same gender regardless of what gender that may be. I'll personally take the word of experts who have studied this stuff extensively over someone who attends seminary any day.

      April 11, 2012 at 7:14 am |
  3. Nii

    TRUTHPREVAILS
    U know clearly that the dietary laws even among Jews are not a moral requirement so I don't know why u r forcing the issue.
    Mormons call themselves xtians to the exclusion of other sects. That shud tell u a lot. This is not to say I'm better but read more on it. I don't like religion.

    April 11, 2012 at 6:50 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Nii: You are wrong!! Mormonism bases their belief off the same buybull you do...they took it one step further, Joseph Smith believes he actually met jesus. I deal with a mormon every day you idiot...my daughter's fiance is mormon on the verge of the greatest reality of his life (he's questioning the whole god thing 🙂 and the more he is in my grips, the more he will come away from the grip of belief in a sky daddy...one more mind opened). I guess it depends on who you speak to though...this guy believes he is christian and I'm sure many other mormons do.

      April 11, 2012 at 7:09 am |
  4. Nii

    BOOMER
    I agree with u a 100%. Mormons mostly behave more xtian than many Xtians do. Personally I respect everyone who behaves in a loving manner n 4 this alone that person is a Xtian. That said there are doctrinal n ritual differences. Some of my best friends r Mormons. I'M NOT SAYING WE R BETTER!

    April 11, 2012 at 3:36 am |
  5. boomer1959

    I know a lot of Mormons. I know about a dozen atheists.

    Who would I rather be friends with? Mormons–no contest.

    Do I, a Christian, think that Mormons are Christian? They're not my type of Christian, but there's no doubt they accept and use the Bible, and they definitely try to follow Christ's commandments and teachings–that's Christian enough for me.

    The Atheists I know? Some of the most rude, selfish, un-law abiding group of people I know. I wouldn't trust them to wear a coat in the Antarctic.

    Nuff said....

    April 11, 2012 at 2:52 am |
    • Christians are such liars

      It's so easy to tell that boomer is a liar. You don't know any atheists, boom. Your description doesn't fit a single one I have ever met, and the "un-law abiding" bit is totally at odds with every study ever done on atheists.

      Another Christian liar. What a surprise.

      April 11, 2012 at 3:02 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      "The Atheists I know? Some of the most rude, selfish, un-law abiding group of people I know. I wouldn't trust them to wear a coat in the Antarctic. "

      Then you really don't know many Atheists or you're as.suming the bad ones are Atheists b/c your preacher has told you they're all evil people. If you look at the prison population, you will see it is higher in christians than Atheists. Most Atheists I as.sociate with are good, loving, law-abiding citizens. Did you happen to miss the article a few months back where Mormons were in the news for crimes against humanity?

      April 11, 2012 at 4:28 am |
    • ?

      Christ's commandments? If your church is telling you that Christ and God are the same person ....Your in a cult!

      April 11, 2012 at 7:30 am |
    • sam stone

      Boomer: What does law-abiding have to do with being good people?

      April 11, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
  6. thatguy

    I remember when we kicked out a student for being gay and fired the principal for letting them in. This was like 2 years ago.

    April 11, 2012 at 2:49 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      So bigotry is allowed at the school you're part of? People running that school should be held liable for their hate crimes! Oh and potentially learn something about the true nature of gays. Ignorance is bliss though and you prove it with your statement.

      April 11, 2012 at 4:31 am |
  7. tallulah13

    andrew.peter, discrimination is hate. There is more proof that being born gay is innate than there is proof of the existence of ANY god. Perhaps you should stop thinking about the "sins" of others and rethink the truth behind your own beliefs.

    April 11, 2012 at 2:09 am |
    • tallulah13

      Whoops. I didn't hit the reply button.

      April 11, 2012 at 2:09 am |
  8. mema

    Yawn.

    April 11, 2012 at 1:38 am |
  9. Bootyfunk

    it is so terribly sad that g.a.y people would want to be in a club with a rule book that says they should be killed. it's sad that people are so deep in the cult of christianity. it's hard mental programming to break. they are told that everything they feel and desire is wrong and in fact evil. christianity is disgusting in its bigotry.

    April 11, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • Wally World

      You said it. If you are gay, it's really not a good idea to be Mormon or Christian or Republican. Even if those groups seem to fit your beliefs, you are still a major enemy to them.

      It's like being a Jewish Nazi – bad idea

      April 11, 2012 at 3:06 am |
  10. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:----->>>>

    Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    April 11, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • Michael

      The only proof Mother Nature is responsible for gay people is realizing she made it quite popular in the animal kingdom.

      April 11, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • CC

      I'm a 100% sure the study didn't find gays are gays because GOD made them that way. You sir are an idiot.

      April 11, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • Reality

      Expanding on the situation:

      Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god or mother nature made them that way.

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (references used are available upon request)

      April 11, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
  11. Nii

    My scholarship is lacking cos I said Mormonism is further from Xtianity than Judaism? No denomination of de Xtian Church has a different set of Scriptures. Jesus as several Moslem posters here have indicated believe in de teachings of Christ but r not Xtians. I've read de Quran n Book of Mormon.

    April 10, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • Nii

      that line shud read"Moslems as several Moslem posters have indicated believe in JC and his teachings. Mormons also believe in Christ as A god not as God. Same as Jehovah witnesses thereby violating a basic principle of Judaeo-Christianity that God is one and there are no other gods but Him alone.

      April 11, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Reality

      ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

      Putting the final kibosh on religion :

      • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

      • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

      • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

      • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

      • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

      • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

      A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

      e.g. Taoism

      "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

      Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

      April 11, 2012 at 12:07 am |
    • johnfrichardson

      Nii, when comparing Christianity and Judaism, note that CHRISTIANITY has tacked on a bunch of new scripture and has a fundamental doctrine of the suspension of the Mosaic law. You can say Mormonism: Mainstream Christianity :: Mainstream Christianity: Judaism with their extra scripture and doctrine, But they DON'T overturn the central tenet of Christianity, ie recognizing Jesus as the messiah and savior.

      April 11, 2012 at 7:02 am |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (References used are available upon request.)

      April 11, 2012 at 8:28 am |
  12. lol

    Following that question , dooes that then make them gay?

    April 10, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
  13. lol

    My question, How many straight guys have had a gay encounter to test the waters so to speak
    I have had this discussion with many a freind and was suprised at the number its a lot larger than I would have guessed
    I did by the way, and I have an unual ablity of getting honest answers from people

    April 10, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
  14. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 10, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • Axel Jurgens

      Atheism is simply another way that people seek truth.

      April 10, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • just sayin

      Seeking Truth in atheism would be like producing gold from salt water. God bless

      April 10, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • errr

      please explain to me what is so wrong about Atheism? Give me some "proof" that god exists. There are more muslims in the world than Christians, so maybe their religion is the right one? But wait, there are plenty of Jewish people as well. It's all a big scheme. And sheeple will continue to follow religion until the earth ceases to exist. I'm not an Atheist, but I don't go pushing my religion on people. Also, they should touch up on their leviticus because while he is against gay marriage, there are about a half dozen other things that he's against that are absurd. For instance: Leviticus 11:10 "One shall eat not shellfish, or be damned" "Leviticus 25:44 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the Nations around you."

      And this is the chapter which Christians use to justify their hatred for gays. Hmm.....

      April 10, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    • truth

      31To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

      33They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendantsb and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

      34Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you do what you have heard from your father.c”

      39“Abraham is our father,” they answered.

      “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you wouldd do the things Abraham did. 40As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father does.”

      “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

      The Children of the Devil

      42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

      April 10, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • Axel Jurgens

      Well then it's a good thing that the atoms that are in salt water can be made into gold. Hahahaha

      April 11, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • Nii

      AXEL
      Honesty on these boards is very important. Where in Leviticus does it say "don't eat shellfish or be damned."? The moral laws in the Mosaic Law may sound harsh to your ears but then quote them correctly. You quoted a ritual law and gave your own penalty. SHAAME! So much for Xtians being liars.

      April 11, 2012 at 4:06 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Nii: Shame that so many christards don't know their own book of mythology! You asked Axel where it said that shellfish is forbidden (not quite your words but the same difference) in Leviticus.
      Here is the proof:
      Leviticus 11:9-12

      King James Version (KJV)

      9These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

      10And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

      11They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

      12Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

      Coming from a very coastal area, I can tell you that shellfish include lobster; crab; shrimp; clams...none of which have fins and therefore, according to the words in Leviticus are not to be consumed.

      April 11, 2012 at 6:21 am |
    • CC

      @justsaying Are you kidding me? Atheist usually are into science for answers. and knowledge. Religious people are in to information supplied thousands of years ago. Which one seeks truth?

      April 11, 2012 at 8:33 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not change anything; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~ .

      April 11, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • sam stone

      Just Sayin': Still on your knees, begging for salvation?

      April 11, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
  15. Nii

    The Mosaic Law is very specific. the moral laws do not mention masturbation or lesbianism as forbidden se.xual practises so properly speaking there is no LGBT in biblical terms. There is only GBT men. We do not hate sinners of any kind. It is their actions we deplore like if they were ad.ul.terers.

    April 10, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • johnfrichardson

      So guys who have s-ex with themselves while watching women having s-ex with each other are in the clear? That'll sure get a lot of guys off the hook!

      April 10, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Michael

      Give me a break. As late as the 1940's the Bible most certainly was condemning ma$turbation but when it became an accepted practice, and the church couldn't make money by condemning it, the scripture was conveniently switched to mean gay people. As for the moral code, your beloved leveticus scripture isn't found there, its found in the Holiness Code. But you already know this and do not care.

      April 10, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, get off it, Nii. Your posts do nothing to clarify anything.

      April 10, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • err

      Have any of you actually read the Bible before?

      April 10, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
  16. Nii

    Bootyfunk
    The Mormons are a religion on their own. It is not even potentially syncretic with Christianity like Judaism. It is as distant as Islam is to us. This is because both have their own unique set of Scriptures. There is no Mormon Christian. I reserve comment on their religious practise.

    April 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Yawn

      What a stupid comment. A Christian is a person who professes to believe in Jesus Christ and His teachings (you can even add accept as their Savior and God). Mormons qualify and more often are better Christians than most other Christians I've met.

      April 10, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • just sayin

      Their founder lacked integrity as well as their foundation. Nice people but it doesnt qualify their religion nor give it integrity

      April 10, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      Fraud alert

      April 10, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Yawn

      And you base this lack of integrity on what? Your insistence that Mormons are wrong? The same thing can be said of Moses, Jesus, Calvin, Constantine, Luther, Muhammed, etc. based solely on whether you think they were right or not. The lack of coherent arguments on Belief Blogs (from atheists and religious nuts) is baffling.

      April 10, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • johnfrichardson

      Nii, your scholarship is lacking.

      April 10, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Nii..it is obvious to those of us on the outside of religion that the "love' of gay folks and other religions is a thin veneer. Try as you might to cloak these feelings in biblical terms does not cover the true sentiment.

      April 10, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      Mormons use the same buybull you do Nii. Mormonism is another sect of christianity...just as Anglican's are and the RCC is.
      "Christianity is a monotheistic religion whose adherents believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the son of God and their savior. Christianity developed out of a sect of Judaism that believed Jesus was the messiah prophesied in the Old Testament. The main tenet of Christianity is that Jesus was resurrected."

      April 11, 2012 at 4:58 am |
    • just sayin

      Mormons are not Christians and do not "use" the same Bible. The primary text is the book of Mormon, the Bible is "used" only so far as it is interpreted correctly i.e. that it is twisted to fit Mormon doctrine. The Jesus of the Bible is not the Jesus of the Mormons. God bless

      April 11, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • Take it easy

      @just sayin – "Mormons are not Christians and do not "use" the same Bible. The primary text is the book of Mormon, the Bible is "used" only so far as it is interpreted correctly i.e. that it is twisted to fit Mormon doctrine. The Jesus of the Bible is not the Jesus of the Mormons. God bless"

      Do you not remember the Pew Research Center national study that showed that Mormons knew more about the Bible than any other Christian religion by virtue of a Bible test? (September 2010).

      April 11, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
  17. test

    test

    April 10, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
  18. Jonathan Miller

    To whom it may concern. I am an active mormon and therefore, I have a true perception of this religion. You wouldn't ask a mechanic to explain medical conditions. So why would you trust in the media to explain a religion that they are not even apart of? Or in other words, don't believe all that you hear. I know the Mormon church loves the gay and lesbian community. Sure there are members who probably say mean things or act distant towards someone like this, but we were never taught to hate gay people. In fact I can assure you that there are hundreds if not thousands of church talks/information that teaches the members to love the gay and lesbian people. The church may not agree with the lifestyle of someone who is gay, but that doesn't mean they hate or shun them. It's the old saying of "hate the sin but love the sinner." I love these people and I know many, many people who love the gay community. So if there is one thing only that I would like people to remember from this post, is that MORMONS LOVE THESE PEOPLE!!! Stop preaching false statements on the matter.

    April 10, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Michael

      Hey, we love you as long as you remain celibate and never find true love nor live your life as God intended. This is what you call love????

      April 10, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • John Doe

      Michael; Where in Jonathan Miller's post did it say that the Church is only to love gay members if they are celibate? I read it twice, and didn't see that part.

      April 11, 2012 at 7:53 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ John Doe – If the Mormons have such great love for gay folks, why did they spend tens of millions of dollars in California on Prop 8?

      If the Mormons have such great love for gay folks, why did LDS security guards hancuff and detain a gay couple after one of them kissed his partner on the cheek?

      Sorry, but these folks are just more ho.mophobic bigots.

      April 11, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • Michael

      John, the entire article says BYU will kick gay kids out if they're not celibate or even show public displays of affection.

      April 11, 2012 at 10:39 am |
  19. Nii

    I don't know but it seems Westerners suspect every guy with a male friend as gay.
    1) The Roman Centurion and his servant boy?
    2) Eunuchs are gay?
    Now a funny stat? How did those 3% get rid of their gay feelings? It is a choice for some people then! How many are irreversibles? Check these.

    April 10, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • johnfrichardson

      You're babbling ... again ...

      April 10, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Nii ...we know for sure though, that belief in god, any of them, is 100% reversible.

      April 10, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • Michael

      The term used in the Bible to describe the young male was 'pais' which is a Greek term for the younger male in a gay relationship. 'Born eunuchs' was used to convey a gay man. These are verifiable facts.

      April 10, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • fred

      Michael
      Which verse are you referring to?

      April 10, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Michael

      Matt 8 & Luke 7 for the Centurion. Matthew 19:10-12 for the born eunuch. A Google search provides an abundance of verifiable facts on these topics.

      April 10, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • fred

      Michael
      Sorry but Matt 8 and Luke 7 have nothing to do with a ho-mo$exual male. Matt 19:10-12 can be used to note orientation caused by man, nature or for the glory of God typically as to purity or celibacy in the context of hetro$exual marriage relationships. It can be stretched to indicate $exual desire being something one is born with.

      April 10, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      "How did those 3% get rid of their gay feelings? It is a choice for some people then"

      No it isn't a choice....science states this very clearly and it is the only thing that matters when it comes to this topic. There are people who remain quiet about the se.xual orientation due to fear of being condemned for it. If 3% denied they were gay, it is due to pressure from those around them, nothing more...the brain is a powerful tool and emotions are played on all the time. If these people felt like the were threatened in any way (being disowned; being harmed), it would account for them denying who they really are.

      April 11, 2012 at 4:47 am |
    • Michael

      Fred, go Google that info and come and tell me what the meanings of pais and born eunuch meant to the Greeks 2,000 years ago. You can not erase history.

      April 11, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • fred

      Michael
      That is a possible interpretation that is a bit reaching to be of value. Even if one takes a gay interpretation of pais at best you could say Jesus was not interested in scandal regarding the boy but, the faith of the centurion.

      April 11, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Michael

      Fred, you are avoiding the verifiable historical definition of the Greek word pais and the term born eunuch. You simply can not blow off the meaning of the word. It's not some interpretation but an actual verifiable definition. in both instances Jesus did not have one ounce if condemnation and if it was a sin He would have chirped in with "Now go and sin no more" as He always did when encountering sin.

      April 11, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • Michael

      Fred, Do you know anything about Roman history or have you maybe seen the movie Spartacus? It was very very common very Roman soldiers to have young male slaves as lovers. So you're trying to say when Christ encountered a man whom you believe is going to Hell for being gay, Christ isn't going to advise him to stop sinning and instead lavish the highest praise ever upon him? Do you even hear yourself??? It makes absolutely no sense. It's also unreal you're avoiding dealing with the definition of pais.

      April 11, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
    • fred

      Michael
      I think you have wrong person. I did not say or imply someone is going to hell as that is never my call. Hell by the way is reserved for Satan an his demons the other punishments vary.
      Your comment that Jesus said nothing does not infer Jesus approved hom-o$exuality. That would actualy support the view the use of the word pais was for young servant boy not $ex slave.
      The message was Jesus healed because of who Jesus was and a sign that he is the Christ. Further, faith is required for belief. I do not recall Jesus ever talking about hom-o$exuality with the exception of reference to the Nicolodians.
      Being gay is not a ticket to hell no matter how you cut it. Giving you life to Christ is what is required for salvation.

      April 12, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
  20. B

    Mormons are just plain not right in the head

    April 10, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      as opposed to the rest of the christian cults?

      April 10, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Jonathan Miller

      You basically just told me that you think I'm dumb. Thanks for being a jerk by saying that.

      April 10, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • Axel Jurgens

      I find this all funny. Is a man who dies and them comes back and then convinently disappears any more unbelieveable that that same man arriving on a different continent out of the blue?

      April 10, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      @B: You're stereotyping and wrongfully so. I know plenty of mormons and like every other person on this planet they are prone to good and bad...it's human nature. They are still christian...they just put a different spin on it but most sects of christianity do that.

      April 11, 2012 at 4:50 am |
    • CC

      @Jonathan Miller but you are stupid if you believe these lies. Think about what is the root of all religions? What does you precious church need from you?

      April 11, 2012 at 8:35 am |
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