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April 9th, 2012
08:38 AM ET
Can a public servant be a non-believer?(CNN)– Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, and Ralph Reed, discuss on State of the Union with Candy Crowley whether a public servant can declare be a "non-believer." Their answers may surprise you. For more on State of the Union with Candy Crowley and the debate over religion and politics here. Watch State of the Union with Candy Crowley Sundays at 9am ET. For the latest from State of the Union click here.
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I suppose if you limit the question to the US, right now no. But luckily other major countries are much farther ahead in this regard. Australia's current Prime Minister is an atheist.
To be elected President at least you NEED to be a christian, unfortunately. We had one cahtolic, and was shot. Obama is not a muslim, though the right refuses to admit he a US citizen, let alone christian.We may have a Mormon soon, but there is zero chance an atheist will be president. You have to believe in some invisible man in the sky in country. Logic goes right out the window in politics
Prayer changes things
Proven
Powerful
Pervasive
Prayer changes things
Prayer doesn’t not change anyting; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~ `~
Yes it do. God bless
"proven" that flys in the face of "faith". You don't need proof. Just keeping talking louder and insist that prayer works
if your goal is to be annoying as possible by spamming EVERY SINGLE belief blog article with your banal claims, well the, mission accomplished.
"You can tell the same lie 1000 times but it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes just once more and once more believe that they all still believe in you." -Randy Blythe
He doesn't believe there actually are atheists because 'no self-respecting atheist' would walk around with something in his pocket that said In god we Trust' ... did he actually say that? Am I not understanding what he meant by that? Do I have a choice? is there a different currency that I can use? Is there an atheist currency that doesn't have that line that really shouldn't be there any way? How stupid! Then the second guy, he feels the american public can look past a candidates religious views and judge him on whether or not they would be a good leader... Not a chance, sad, but no way. It's said out right... but that's the reason Romney is having such a hard time. There is a large population that simple will not vote for a mormon, especially on the republican side. It is absurd of course, but obviously a true.
CNN should be called out on a double standard in regard to a story that aired mentioning that Mitt Romney is a Morman. I'm not a Morman, but respect their religion and have a couple of friends that are Mormans. My question it is ok to be MUSLIM, but not ok to be a Morman. When's the last time a Morman terrorist attacked the United States? Also, did you realize that Harry Reid, Democrat, is a Morman? Candy Crowley should be embarrassed that this is even a topic! Shouldn't you be discussing the Economy, Healthcare, Gas Prices, International Relations or ANYTHING other than religion!? Sounds like CNN is deflecting from the true issues! As an Atlantan I'm embarrassed that your headquarters are in the city I call home!
Am I reading this right??? Do you have to believe in fairy tales to work for the government?? REALLY????
Not if you're a scientist or an engineer.
No, but unfortunately you do have to believe in fairy tales to be elected by people in the US.
@Aguest9
Too good to know that you're not the only one here. You must be sharing the other half of your quark sized-brain with NickZadick.
So the of you should listen to mandarax that your brains may grow to a full quark.
And FYI..it can never be "undereporting". A dishonest respondents couldn't make the survey dishonest. You just can neither blame nor indiscriminately and maliciously accuse any polls for either the cowardice or plain dishonesty of (atheists) your kind.
What are your kind afraid of when you got nothing worst than wet pants in your latest, what you called that? "reason rally"?
Did you participate in that rally? Good thing you don't multiply when got wet by rain. lol!
I'd like to see an American Indian run for President. I think that they'd understand better than anyone the damage that corrupt politicians can cause. They may not be considered "puritan christians", but I think that they're more down to earth and have a much deeper sense of spirituality than some arrogant people who call themselves christians or atheists. I think that they'd be more inclined to care about the middle class more than the top 1% and would care more about human rights and dignity.
"Can a public servant be a non-believer?"
"Seriously? Someone actually asked that question? Of course, and many are, especially in the sciences"
@Aguest9
Scientists perhaps for you are public servants. BUT..I do hope that you'll read even one line in the article to be on-topic next time you punch that keyboard and to avoid humiliating yourself as well.
And it never cease to amuse me how many times you use "Science" in most of (if not all) your posts but it seems that there's nothing scientific with you but your half quark brain.
Many scientists work for the government at various levels. Typically, they are employed at the federal and state levels, but some are employed by local municipalities, many of whom are contracted consultants.
I don't have to prove anything to you. I am paid and promoted. You mean nothing to me.
"half quark brain" must be your tag-line. I've seen others use nonsensical tag-lines, such as "There's your sign" Are you actually just another incarnation of Just sayin Atheism is Herbie In God We Trust Prayer Changes Captain America?
P.S., You might want to not misuse scientific terms. It just makes you sound even more foolish.
"Many scientists work for the government at various levels. Typically, they are employed at the federal and state levels, but some are employed by local municipalities, many of whom are contracted consultants."
Did I seem to disagree with that? There are also atheists newscasters and radio broadcasters and other jobs related to public service, hence, they are called "public servants". But...I mean, (the huge)
BUT!
The million dollar question is.......are they the kind of public servants that the aticle is talking about?
Please go back to me if you're ready to say the straight and honest answer.
OR, you could go around and waste some more space on this board using your half quark brain proving yourself to be a PIECE of CRAP.
*article
I'm sure your employer would be interested in the nonsense you are spouting on their network resources. Oh, let me guess, you're unemployed because you are barely literate and the extent of your computer knowledge is CNN and Facebook?
Better answer my question STRAIGHTLY and HONESTLY and quit proving yourself a PIECE of CRAP.
And you've been very good in HYPOCRTICAL GUESSING (the atheists scientific way to determine something) using your half quark brain. It futher prove that you are nothing but a PIECE of CRAP.
So, do the people of Tennessee now get a choice whether to pay their school taxes, since any old hokey nonsense can be taught as "science", and as such, their children will never be able to pass an AP science exam?
Prayer changes things..
Name one verifiable thing that prayer has changed
Prayer doesn’t not change anything; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~
Prayer changes things......from being reasonable to delusional.
@Lee
slavery
Prayer changed slavery? And all this time I thought that came after we fought the bloodiest war in our history. Turns out we could have skipped the bloodshed and just prayed, since that's what did it.
Don't tell me they are going to stamp "In God We Trust" on my debit cards next. I hardly use paper money these days Actually, I don't care, but it does get obnoxious, because it reflects a very paranoid need to assert majority rule.
Will they also have to start printing archaic symbols representing secret societies on credit cards, too?
I'm sure that many are non-believers but few if any of them would admit it. It is much more lucrative to feign belief.
Yeah..it's seems that you're so sure.lol!
ya rot,
You should look into how many preachers are now atheists....and are still preaching.
Because politicians aren't known for telling untruths.
I bet my lunch money there are several non-believers in public office. They'll just never openly admit it if they value their jobs.
That brings us to another point.... the under-reporting of atheism/agnosticism by most polls. Many people probably won't even admit on a poll (not dissimilar to pot use, I bet).
@ otto
"You should look into how many preachers are now atheists....and are still preaching."
Would you mind naming one of those "many preacher" and what made you say and think that they are (atheists but still preaching)?
@Aguest9
"Because politicians aren't known for telling untruths."
Based on the topic and on the thread that are currently at, are you saying that there are atheists politicians but are BALD FACED LIARS?
@closet atheists
"I bet my lunch money there are several non-believers in public office."
So good to know that you are willing to bet anything for an assumption. Too bad..nobody would want take a welfare coupon for betting.
closet atheist,
"That brings us to another point.... the under-reporting of atheism/agnosticism by most polls. Many people probably won't even admit on a poll"
Yes, I used to just tick that [ ] Christian box in polls or surveys... out of habit, slight paranoia that they would not be truly 'confidential', and most embarrassingly, in the early years of my non-belief, out of superst'ition that if I actually put it out there something bad would happen!
And FYI..it can never be "undereporting". A dishonest respondents couldn't make the survey dishonest. You just can't blame either indiscriminately and maliciously accuse any polls for the cowardice and pure dishonesty of (atheists) your kind.
And one more thing, what are your kind afraid of when you got nothing worst than wet pants in your latest, what you called that? "reason rally"?
Did you participate in that rally? Good thing you don't multiply when got wet by the rain. lol!
Another less-than-cogent point made by Just sayin Atheism is Herbie In God We Trust Prayer Changes Captain America AtheismIsCrap. There's your half quark brain sign Amen, right?
Thanks for you support in proving the legitimacy of my momiker, you're such a peach.
If the country were really as free as is claimed, I should not run risks as a non believer. I doubt this is the case. You can slam my hands on the car and kick my feet apart but you cannot force me to believe.
The Creed of the Non-Believers : (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)
ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:-–>>>>>>>>>
Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??
I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)
Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,
He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
Jerusalem.
Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.
Amen
(references used are available upon request)
You forgot to sign it.....Satan the Deceiver
Ooooooh......Satan.
Light, a little secret, there is no "Satan", either. It's ALL made-up.
"Can a public servant be a non-believer?"
Seriously? Someone actually asked that question? Of course, and many are, especially in the sciences!
As are Bill Gatesand Warren Buffet.
bill gates and warren buffet arent public servants.
show me a congressman or senator thats a self styled athiest, and first i'l drop dead of a heart attack, then i'll show you at least 100 bible thumpers for each athiest public servant.
bob - please do not read this - we don't want to lose you.
Pete Stark, a well-respected U.S. Congressman from California for 39 years, is an agnostic/atheist. Yes, he is the only one now, but thanks to him perhaps the door is opening... but you are correct, bob, the thumpers do have him greatly outnumbered as of now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Stark
Buffet for President !!!!!!
It's Buffett, you steer! How can you vote for him when can't spell his (sur)name correctly?
Oh, poor reality..when will you learn to do something with your own. You can't even construct a phrase correctly without that CRAP copy and Paste.
Ah no wonder, you must be an atheist. The typical half quark-brained ones.
And to all atheists out their, I hope you're half quark brains could grasp that agnostics aren't affiliated with atheists. Agnostics have not ultimately dismiss the probability of God. While atheists has nothing big but their egos kept on make believing that they are something of worth but the fact is they are nothing but PIECE of CRAP!
*there
Could somebody quit using that slash then inserting that crap next to mine? PLEEAASSEEE!!!
@ Know what
So you want bob to spell out to you each name of the hundred bible thumpers as counterparts of the ONLY one atheist that you were bragging?
You are losing him...
Stark won the election in 1972 but had reaffirmed his atheism 3 and a half decade after.
He's the single proof in the history that an atheist can be a public servant BUT..a unarguably a LAME one.
bob, it mentioned public servants, not only elected officials. Very few scientists are elected. Most attain their status by being capable researchers.
Aguest9
So you think, that is the article talks about?
I have a friendly tip for you; read again the article and try a little comprehension. I promise, the article isn't that hard to comprehend. Even that half quark brain of yours might help if only you will use it properly.
Warren Buffett for President !!!!
Well I think the black guy represents how most Christians are, without reasoning ability. He really believes that some smart a_sed comment about our money says something and shows his obvious superiority. How stupid is that ?????
the other guy was asleep, why have him on at all.
I don’t think America would vote for a non-believer if the person running stated that they were a non-believer. I believe we have had many presidents in the past that were non-believers if the beliefs of the Evangelicals or Fundamentalists are the litmus test. If a reasonable respect for mystery will suffice then even Adams and Jefferson were believers.
Did anyone else notice that Candy is going to explode soon? Sweetie, back away from the trough.
We all love you Candy but you are going to die, you won't be able to conduct great interviews anymore. We will miss you too. Lose some weight.
Prayer changes things .
no it doesn't.
stop lying
Just sayin Atheism is Herbie In God We Trust Prayer Changes Captain America – lying is what it does best.
Actually it appears that what he or she does best is wind up Atheist with a single line.
Apparently, prayer doesn't change things after all...just ask Rick Santorum.
Prayer changes things
Proven !
Carrying something my pocket that says In God We Trust????? I think that shows how people of faith see an atheist as total opposites in that a theist will have nothing to do with matters that are not religiously based.
So they must think that atheists are EXACTLY the opposite were anything remotely hinting an association with religion somehow makes the atheist contradict himself. I personally feel atheists made a mistake by assembling themselves as the "anti-religion" because theists will only see them in that light. We're good, you're evil mentality. As a force to be combated rather than to be listened to and understood. The approach atheists should have tried is similar to the idea that it is best make someone believe that their thoughts are original. You can have all the same thought provoking discussions to try and get the theist to think but don't give face or substance your cause. Let them believe they've come to a resolve all on their own, which in way they will but you of course being the atheist merely gave them something to think about it.
But I digress....
In God We Trust gives the typical theist the image that the country is a christian nation...they don't give a damn about anyone else, as long as they believe their sky daddy is supporting them in their hypocrisy.
God keep our land glorious prayer provided by the Canadian national anthem. In God we trust is American.
So, Conartist, you make the assumption that all people who are atheist have joined this organization?
Aguest9
So you think it's the article talks about?
I have a friendly tip for you; read again the article and try a little comprehension. I promise, the article isn't that hard to comprehend. Even that half quark brain of yours might help if only you will use it properly.