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April 10th, 2012
04:33 PM ET

With Santorum suspending campaign, some religious conservatives wonder how to proceed

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Evangelical activist Michael Farris was not exactly surprised that Rick Santorum suspended his campaign on Tuesday. But that doesn’t mean that Farris, a longtime political organizer, knows what he’s supposed to do now.

“Right now my choice is to sit on my hands and do nothing or to actively try to find some alternative” to Mitt Romney, Farris said in an interview shortly after Santorum's announcement.

“Some of us just have a hard time supporting a person who said he was going to be more liberal on gay rights than Ted Kennedy,” said Farris, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association, referring to remarks Romney made in a 1994 letter.

Farris’ reaction is a stark emblem of the disappointment among religious conservatives over Santorum's announcement, and a reminder that Romney’s enthusiasm deficit among the conservative evangelicals who form the GOP’s base hasn’t gone away.

CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories

“There are two kinds of disappointment today,” said John Green, a religion and politics expert at the University of Akron. “One is felt by people who care a great deal about social issues, especially white evangelicals, who are uncomfortable with Mitt Romney.”

“And there’s another group who really liked Santorum,” Green continued, “and were quite excited about him not only because of the social issues but because they saw him as representing this positive role for faith and values in a society.”

The conservative and largely evangelical Family Research Council said in an email to supporters Tuesday night that Santorum's announcement "was clearly disappointing news for those looking for a nominee who understands and articulates the connection between the social and fiscal challenges facing America."

"His historical run for President achieved remarkable success because his campaign was based not on money spent, but on the pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-freedom message he carried," the Family Research Council email blast said.

Religious conservatives were the key to Santorum’s unlikely rise as a serious presidential candidate. Conservative evangelicals and Catholics were drawn to Santorum as much for his personal story – he is a conservative Catholic and homeschooling dad of seven – as for his outspoken advocacy against abortion rights and same-sex marriage as a U.S. senator.

While polls showed him at the back of a seven-person pack just weeks before January’s first-in-the-nation Iowa caucuses, Santorum won a plurality of Iowa evangelicals, who accounted for nearly 60% of the electorate. That support laid the foundation for a first place Iowa finish.

After Santorum’s primary loss in New Hampshire to Mitt Romney - and days before Santorum would lose to Newt Gingrich in South Carolina - conservative religious activists convened in Texas and congealed behind the former Pennsylvania senator.

With strong evangelical support, Santorum went on to win primaries and caucuses in 11 states, even as Romney racked up more than twice as many delegates.

Not all conservative religious activists are as dead-set against Romney as Farris, who is also chancellor at Patrick Henry College, a school for homeschooled youth.

“Barack Obama will unite conservatives and people of faith more so than any single Republican candidate can hope to do,” said Mat Staver, an evangelical Christian who leads the conservative legal group Liberty Counsel.

But Staver said Romney would have to work hard to excite social conservatives.

“He’s going to have to make some intentional steps to reach out to evangelicals and religious conservatives,” said Staver. “It would be a mistake to assume he has every vote from evangelicals and religious conservatives locked up.”

At the moment, plenty of other conservative activists say they’re still in wait-and-see mode about the primary season.

“It’s very likely that he’ll end up the nominee, but he’s not he nominee yet,” said Steve Scheffler, president or the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition, about Romney. “He was never my first choice, but I’ll support him because the alternative is something we can’t live with.

“But I’m not ready to throw my support to him yet,” Scheffler said.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Politics • Rick Santorum

soundoff (1,591 Responses)
  1. Reality

    If the Pill and male condoms were used properly, abortion would not be an issue and Obama would not be president.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    April 12, 2012 at 10:47 am |
  2. Carol

    Michael Farris is a sleazebag. Someone should investigate him for corruption. Hint hint.

    April 12, 2012 at 8:27 am |
  3. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven
    Powerful
    Pervasive
    Prayer changes things

    April 12, 2012 at 7:20 am |
    • Prayer Makes You Even More Stupid

      Prayer makes you hoard cats.
      Proven.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not change anyting; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~ `~

      April 12, 2012 at 8:19 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Well, the problem is obvious. The parents of the ones that died did not pray to the right god.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • Jesus

      It's not proven at all. Prayer doesn’t not change anything; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 12, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • yahmez the mad

      Why won't god heal amputees?
      If a carpenter (Jesus' trade) cuts off his finger, no matter how hard he prays, his finger is not going to grow back.
      If god is capable of healing this man, why won't he?
      If he can, but won't, how are we supposed to believe he loves us all?
      If he is not capable of healing this man, how are we supposed to believe that he:
      Created the universe,
      Created mankind,
      Created all other forms of life.

      April 13, 2012 at 12:24 am |
  4. Rainer Braendlein

    I am a Protestant. I belong to the Christian Churches, which keep the age-old sacramental baptism (also infant baptism) and regard baptism as a divine call for discipleship.

    Nothing is more harmful for the mankind than all the sects, cults, false churches and false religions, which distort the genuine Christian doctrine or have got completely different tenets. That is a topic, I am very interested in. Even Mr. Romney and Mr. Sanctorum are affected by that problem:

    There is nearly no difference, spiritually seen, between a Catholic presidential contender and a Mormon one. Both are sinners (I don't want to be presumptuous; I don't mean that they are not respectable people, but merely refer to their spiritual state from God's sight), because their alleged faith is worthless.

    Up to around 600 years after Christ the Roman Catholic Church was a real Christian Church and people could find health there for their soul and for their body. Gregory the Great (Gregory I) was the last good bishop of Rome or Italy. He refused to accept the ti-tle "Bishop of all Bishops", but wanted to remain merely Bishop of Italy. After Gregory I bad bishops, which were hungry for power, honor and money, assumed rule over the Catholic Church, and thus she corrupted in the course of time. Now she has reached such a state of perdition that her priests molest guiltless children. How shall such a "Church" confer health to its members? Real health means righteousness in daily life.

    Secondly, the Mormons believe that God had had se-xual intercourse with Mary, to beget Jesus. Alone this is enough, to condemn them as a horrifying cult.

    What we need, is a new Reformation. We need an international council of the Christian Churches, which is free and not predetermined by a lousy pope. Such a free council, where bishops, pastors, priests and laymen could discuss freely, would be led by the Holy Spirit and the outcome would be the clear will of the Lord, the Eternal God.

    People need to realize again the meaning of sacramental baptism (sacramental baptism was not invented by the lousy pope, but be Jesus Christ himself). Baptism is the rebirth by Water and Spirit. At baptism a man, which feels sinful and hopes to get deliverance by Jesus, realy gets connected with the Godhead, which delivers him or sets him free. After baptism a sinner is "in Christ" and can overcome his sinful body by Christ's help. It is equal to say that at baptism one receives the Holy Spirit, and by his power he can overcome the lust of his flesh (body). Object of faith and baptism is Christ's death and resurrection. He has borne our sins on the cross and has resurrected for our justification.

    By baptism one gets metaphysical connected with Christ's atonement and thus becomes able to live a life of practical righteousness, which will certainly be appreciated by human observers.

    One more argument against the Mormons:

    The Mormons are a dangerous cult. Good night America, if Romney becomes president.

    The Mormons are no Christian Church. This is easy to prove. The founder of the LDS, Joseph Smith, once had a vision, the socalled First Vision, where "God" told him that he would not be allowed to join any of the current churches of his time. This, of course, was actually demonic.

    A true Christian Church will always be connected with the Early Church, which was founded by Jesus. Out of the Early Church emerged the Byzantine Church, the Catholic Church and the Protestant Churches. Regretably the Catholic Church has turned apostate by papacy. The Protestant Churches meanwhile have entered a state of crisis, because they ordain gays priest and pastors and preach the gospel of the cheap grace.

    Nevertheless the Protestant Churches can trace back their roots to the Early Church, which was founded by Jesus. Hence, we need no new church, like Smith falsely assumed, but a Reformation of the existing Protestant and Orthodox Churches (the Orthodox Churches emerged directly from the Byzantine Church).

    April 12, 2012 at 6:08 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Pagan Roots of Baptismal Regeneration
      The worship of elements of God’s creation—humans, animals, trees, water, etc.—is the religion of all who reject God.

      One of the most popular ways such idolatry has subtly infiltrated the church is through the doctrine of baptismal regeneration, which says that water baptism saves.

      In teaching that water baptism saves, the doctrine of baptismal regeneration is a form of worshiping the creation and not the Creator.

      Whoever or whatever we look to as our source of salvation is our God or god. There is no neutrality, no middle-ground–our God or god will either be the Creator or the creation (Romans 1:18-25).

      If we look to Christ alone as our Lord and Savior, we acknowledge Him as God. If we look to water (used in water baptism) for salvation, we deny Christ as Lord and Savior, and worship created things (water, ourselves, etc.).

      Isaiah 44:19 reads,

      “No one considers, nor is there knowledge or discernment to say, ‘Half of it I burned in the fire; I also baked bread on its coals; I roasted meat and have eaten. And shall I make the rest of it an abomination? Shall I fall down before a block of wood?’”

      Neither should we make water an abomination, and fall down and worship it by trusting in it for salvation.

      To attempt to mix looking to Christ and looking to water for salvation is to be no better off than those who look solely to water baptism for salvation. For polytheism (in this case looking to Christ and water for salvation) no more saves than looking solely to water for salvation.

      When one does not look to Christ alone for salvation, one doesn’t look to Christ at all, but one or more false gods. The Bible considers any doctrine of salvation beyond “hearing with faith” (Galatians 3:1-6; 1:6-9) a different gospel. (For more on why baptismal regeneration is a denial of saving faith, see “The Danger in Believing Water Baptism Saves.”)

      Given then that the doctrine of baptismal regeneration is idolatry, we should not be surprised to find that it has pagan roots. Below are some excerpts from the writings Rev. Alexander Hislop and Abram Herbert Lewis on this very topic.

      I. Rev. Alexander Hislop (19th century critic of Roman Catholicism), in The Two Babylons; or, the Papal Worship proved to be the worship of Nimrod and his wife, writes,

      “Now, this doctrine of Baptismal Regeneration is essentially Babylonian. Some may perhaps stumble at the idea of regeneration at all having been known in the Pagan world; but if they only go to India, they will find, at this day, the bigoted Hindoos, who have never opened their ears to Christian instruction, as familiar with the term and the idea as ourselves. The Brahmins make it their distinguishing boast, that they are ‘twice-born’ men, and that, as such, they are sure of eternal happiness.”

      “Now, the same was the case in Babylon, and there the new birth was conferred by baptism. In the Chaldean mysteries, before any instruction could be received, it was required, first of all, that the person to be initiated submit to baptism in token of blind and implicit obedience.

      We find different ancient authors bearing direct testimony both to the fact of this baptism and the intention of it. ‘In certain sacred rites of the heathen,’ says Tertullian, specially referring to the worship of Isis and Mithra, ‘the mode of initiation is by baptism.’ …

      There was this grand inducement, however, to submit, that they who were thus baptized were, as Tertullian assures us, promised, as the consequence, ‘REGENERATION, and the pardon of all their perjuries.’”

      “Our own pagan ancestors, the worshippers of Odin, are known to have practiced baptismal rites, which, taken in connection with their avowed object in practising them, show that, originally, at least, they must have believed that the natural guilt and corruption of their new-born children could be washed away by sprinkling them with water, or by plunging them, as soon as born, into lakes or rivers.

      Yea, on the other side of the Atlantic, in Mexico, the same doctrine of baptismal regeneration was found in full vigour among the natives, when Cortez and his warriors landed on their shores.”

      Rev. Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons; or, the Papal Worship proved to be the worship of Nimrod and his wife (Edinburgh: James Wood, 1862, Digitized Oct. 25, 2006), 190-192.

      II. Abram Herbert Lewis (19th century writer), in Paganism Surviving in Christianity, writes,

      “Various forms of baptism, and the doctrine of baptismal regeneration, were common characteristics of pagan religion before the birth of Christ.

      “The pagan water-worship cult is secondary only to sun-worship, in age and extent. Its native home was in the East, but it appears in all periods and on both hemispheres. It had two phases: water as an object of worship, and as a means of inspiration; and water used in religious ceremonies to produce spiritual purity. These phases often mingle with each other.

      “This reverence for water, and faith in its cleansing efficacy, arose from the idea that it was permeated by the divine essence, from which it had supernatural power to enlighten and purify the soul without regard to the spiritual state of the candidate.

      This doctrine of baptismal regeneration was transferred to Christianity before the close of the second century, and through it the Church was filled rapidly with baptized but unconverted pagans.”

      Abram Herbert Lewis, Paganism Surviving in Christianity (NY: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1892), 72, 73. (Disclaimer: We do not endorse Abram Herbert Lewis’ Seventh-Day Baptist views, namely, his rejection of Sunday as the Christian Sabbath. Biblically, Sunday, not Saturday, is the Christian Sabbath.)

      April 12, 2012 at 7:44 am |
    • Carol

      Yawn. No one needs to bother reading Rainer Whiner's long copy and paste posts. Same old same old "my god is better than your god" nonsense. Christianity is just another supersti.tion and cult for stupid, gullible people. Get over it already.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:21 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      ....and Carol, what of the other folks like Reality and his cut and paste post? Why are you silent on his and many Atheist cut and paste post?

      April 12, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Reality

      Make that agnostic followed by a prayer i.e. a repeti-tive plea to the gods:

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (References used are available upon request.)

      April 12, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Ryan

      Don't bear false witness: Mormons do not claim God had intercourse with Mary. Separately, if the church was corrupted, then it could only be restored by Jesus, not reformed by man. This was prophesied in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3. I bear witness of this truth.

      April 12, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Carol

      Mark, why aren't you silent?

      April 12, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Diarrhea of the mouth.

      April 12, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • nope

      nope

      April 12, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • sam stone

      Always good we can go to Rainy to find out who is a True Christian (TM).

      April 13, 2012 at 8:05 am |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven !

    April 11, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • Rick Santorum

      Prayer did not work for me. Prayer flopped for Michele Bachmann. Prayer fumbled for Jon Huntsman. Prayer douched Rick Perry. Prayer sodomized Tim Pawlenty.

      Prayer almost works.

      April 12, 2012 at 2:43 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for my cat and other stuff

      Prayer works. Give it a try.

      April 12, 2012 at 3:59 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Fake Rick.....it's called biblical prophecy, not unanswered prayer. The US has to be brought down for prophecy to be fulfilled. You're witnessing it.

      April 12, 2012 at 7:51 am |
    • Jonathon The Enormous

      You'd love to be an athiest, but you don't have the balls and your penis is too small.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • Jesus

      ~Prayer doesn’t not change anyting; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~ `~

      April 12, 2012 at 8:19 am |
    • just sayin

      The first step to becoming a wanna bee atheist is to lie to yourself until you can convince yourself. For most wanna bees lying becomes like a second nature. Without being able to lie to yourself convincingly there is no step two. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • just sayin

      Fake Jesus for example is trying to use the lies of others to bolster its standing, but its immaturity is obvious. Granted fake Jesus is seriously trying to lie to itself as well , it just isn't that good at lying to itself yet. Hard to imagine that there is a person on earth as bad off as fake Jesus. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • Robert

      "The first step to becoming a wanna bee atheist is to lie to yourself until you can convince yourself. For most wanna bees lying becomes like a second nature. Without being able to lie to yourself convincingly there is no step two."

      Actually the Christians lies on this blog have been called out all the time, then you have to lie and make excuses for a god that doesn't exist.Then you have to continue to make up lies about atheists.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • Jesus

      "Fake Jesus for example is trying to use the lies of others to bolster its standing" – -LIE, It's based on real facts.

      "Granted fake Jesus is seriously trying to lie to itself as well ," – -LIE.

      "Hard to imagine that there is a person on earth as bad off as fake Jesus." – -LIE,

      Thanks for proving you are a LIAR and my posts is correct, keep up your desperation.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • just sayin

      @Robert
      Since there is a God and He has revealed Himself through His works and His Son, it would appear that so called atheists are the ones trapped in a lie as originally posted. A wanna bee atheist first has to lie to itself. See you are well on your way, but though you may partially believe yourself i don't believe you. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • Robert

      "Since there is a God and He has revealed Himself through His works and His Son, it would appear that so called atheists are the ones trapped in a lie as originally posted. A wanna bee atheist first has to lie to itself. See you are well on your way, but though you may partially believe yourself i don't believe you."

      You just proved Jesus right you do lie which means you have no integrity and anything you post is insignificant.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • just sayin

      @fake Jesus
      Your "facts" have long since been shown to be false
      We are agreed you are trying to lie to yourself as you admitted by printing lie after the statement
      So we can imagine there is a person as bad off as fake Jesus? Definitely needs sympathy and probably therapy. There are wonderful God given medicines for mental disorders available. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • just sayin

      @richard
      Hope you don't leap off a cliff as readily as you leap to conclusions. Your life musty be a train wreck. Sympathy extended to you. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • Jesus

      "Your "facts" have long since been shown to be false
      We are agreed you are trying to lie to yourself as you admitted by printing lie after the statement
      So we can imagine there is a person as bad off as fake Jesus? Definitely needs sympathy and probably therapy. There are wonderful God given medicines for mental disorders available"

      More lies on top of mores LIES you are such a LIAR that you are not a true Christians and will burn in hell. Thanks for continuing to prove me correct. You're hysterical cause you're the one lying to yourself.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • just sayin

      Try prayer. God bless

      April 12, 2012 at 9:00 am |
    • Jesus

      "Try praye"

      Prayer doesn’t not change anything; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~

      April 12, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • sam stone

      "The first step to becoming a wanna bee atheist is to lie to yourself until you can convince yourself"

      In the case of christians, the same thing is accomplished by going to church and convincing yourself that you know the mind of god

      April 12, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • Wes Scott

      I confess – I am a sinner. I fornicate at every opportunity. I lust after women. I enjoy life. I love nature. And, I am not about to give all of that up just to blindly follow some vengeful god that is so incompetent that when he sends natural disasters our way they kill his most faithful followers and destroy his own churches. You would think that an omniscient and omnipotent god would have the ability to save his own followers and preserve his own churches that his faithful followers spent all their hard-earned money to build as monuments to his "greatness."

      When I die I want to go to hell with all the naked women rather than to a place that is like Sunday School for eternity. Besides, heaven would just full of self-righteous hypocites like those claiming that prayer actually works, and that is the LAST place where I want to spend eternity!

      April 12, 2012 at 10:13 am |
  6. gale routh

    THIS IS SCIENCE:
    FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body:

    as a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B, HCG AND indoleamine 2, 3-dioxygenase- so her body doesn't kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death.

    So since the human fetus is a parasite, the woman has a right to remove it from her body...deal with it.

    GALEROUTH BLOGSPOT COM

    April 11, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Mark

      You are sick. Unless you change your ways, you will probably spend a very long time wishing you had after this life.

      April 11, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Reality

      Hmmm, so a growing baby is considered by some to be nothing more than an infection or parasite? Talk about having no respect for human life!!!!!

      And Nature or Nature's God is the #1 taker of everyone's life. That gives some rationale for killing our growing young inside or outside the womb or those suffering from de-mentia, mental disease or Alzheimer's or anyone who might inconvenience your life???

      April 11, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      So you are saying that this parasite miraculously transforms into a human being?

      April 12, 2012 at 7:53 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Oh please, a blastocyte may be human but it is not a person. I never hear of massive grief over the hundreds of thousands of miscarriages that occur every year(many many millions world wide). More tha 25% of known pregnancies end in early termination. Up to 40% of all conceptions terminate early. If these are all people where is the earth shattering grief that should be occuring? Reality is that almost no one considers an early term fetus to be a person. At most it is a personal loss to be gotten over to try again. The only argument worht having is WHEN a fetus becomes a person. Nail that down, subtract a couple of weeks to allow for some error and get on with reality.

      April 12, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • sam stone

      mark: your empty proxy warnings are laughable.

      April 12, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Wes Scott

      Gale, I appreciate what you are saying, but you are using scientific fact to persuade people who believe that men can rise from the dead to live again, walk on water, turn sticks into snakes, use sticks to part the Red Sea, be conceived by virgin birth, and a host of other nonsense like feeding a host of 5,000 with five fishes and two loaves (or is it the other way around?)

      Still, your statement is one of scientific fact, and it is fun watching those who believe differently (the irrational and illogical) trying to convince you that you are going to be sorry for having your own beliefs that differ from theirs. Fortunately for you and all of us, our great nation will NOT be led by one of them! And, it is not going to be led by a cultist like Romney, either!

      April 12, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • Reality

      You don't have to be a Christian to be a person who respects human life in all its forms.

      A prayer from one said person:

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (References used are available upon request.)

      April 12, 2012 at 10:45 am |
  7. Atheism is unhealthy for my cat and other stuff

    Prayer works.

    April 11, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
  8. Reality

    If the Pill and male condoms were used properly, abortion would not be an issue and Obama would not be president.

    The reality of contraception and STD control: – from a guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-
    Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

    The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill ( 8.7% failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    Consumer Reports, January, 2012

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

    Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

    The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

    1a. (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
    1b. (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

    Followed by:

    One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
    Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
    The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
    Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
    IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

    April 11, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
  9. lll

    Santorum said his god told him to run. What does this mean? Is Santorum turning his back on his god's wishes? Did his god change his mind?

    Or was it all delusion from the beginning?

    April 11, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Wes Scott

      The answer to each of your questions above is, "YES!"

      April 11, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Before long you will both be wishing God had a man in the white house.

      April 12, 2012 at 7:54 am |
    • Carol

      Ah, but you are wishing that there is a god. There clearly isn't one, at least not one with the set of traits that the Christians claim for theirs. Hey, look up "Fallacy of Wishful Thinking". Educate your ignorant self.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Hey, he ran didn't he? Never said how far his god told him to run. He saw the cliff coming up fast and decided to bail before being embarrassed in his home state. I'm sure he is doing just fine with his personal flavor of god.

      April 12, 2012 at 9:38 am |
  10. El Flaco

    So the Republicans are going to settle on an east coast, elite, millionaire from an aristocratic family? What is his experience that will make him a successful Conservative President?

    1. He fires people, lays off employees, and outsources jobs while pocketing the pension funds of those same employees.

    2. He is comfortable in an upper class setting. After all, America IS the upper class, isn't it? The little people, like you and I, are not really very important. People of Romney's class and background see us as livestock that can understand English.

    3. He does not care if Americans suffer. He has made lots of them suffer so far in his life. He's made of tough stuff. No weepy compassion will ever cloud his judgment.

    4. He knows how to destroy corporations and sell off their assets. He could use those skills to destroy the federal government, a stated goal of Conservatism

    4. After the Romney Administration is over in 2016 or 2018, Conservatives will say, "Hey, you can't blame us for the disastrous Romney Administration. He wasn't a TRUE Conservative. What we need is a TRUE Conservative like Ron Paul or Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum … or maybe Senator Palin."

    April 11, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • mrklrsn

      well said El Flaco.

      I don't expect Mitt will destroy the whole govt though. He's got to grow the military so as to be able to destroy other governments.

      April 12, 2012 at 10:55 am |
  11. Nii

    IMPOTENTS HAVE BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN MARRIAGE FOR TOO LONG!!!
    Why, if there is a woman of her own freewill willing to marry them, does de govt say NO cos they can't consummate it? I mean they r not harming anybody with their limp sausage which Viagra cant resurrect? IMPOTENT MARRIAGE NOW!!!

    April 11, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things-

    April 11, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Theism is not healthy for your sanity and other reasonable things

      It sure does.

      Remember religious conservatives, this election don't vote, instead stay home and PRAY.

      April 11, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • One one

      It didn't help Santorum.

      April 11, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • just sayin

      One one
      In what way? God bless

      April 11, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      I guess it depends on whether or not Sanorum prayed to win or for God's will to be done. Of course, since God's will is always done regardless of what you pray for, nothing changes, same outcome prayer or not. But I suppose God already knew if you were going to pray or not.

      April 11, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Jesus

      -Prayer doesn’t not change anyting; you are so full of crap and lies. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~,~

      April 11, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Wes Scott

      Unlike Christians, Ahteists do not start wars to exterminate entire civilizations that have different religious beliefs, and they surely do not pray that their god will be on their side and protect them as they kill people while claiming we are all god's children!

      April 11, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • just sayin

      @wes scott
      Please explain atheists Joe Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh ,Pol Pot and others then. God bless

      April 11, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Just lyin, why don't you pick up a history book instead of just picking your nose?

      April 11, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Megalomaniacs that got religion right but politics and governing wrong.

      April 12, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • TR6

      @just sayin:” Please explain atheists Joe Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh ,Pol Pot and others then. God bless”

      Shure. Communism is just another murderous dogmatic religion just like Christianity and Islam.

      April 12, 2012 at 6:40 am |
    • WASP

      @just sayin
      "Please explain atheists Joe Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Ho Chi Minh ,Pol Pot and others then. God bless"

      ok once again i will explain it to your feeble mind seeing the last time you must have forgotten. those men just like the missionaries, conquers and popes through out history have murderer millioons all in the name of power and control. none of these men did any of these horrible things for god or for a lack of god. second show me where any of these men, out right stated they were athiest.
      you have been proven wrong so many times on so many topics that it's becoming hilarious how little you truly know and understand about the world.

      April 12, 2012 at 9:14 am |
  13. Nii

    Patrick
    U do realise that according to St Paul
    Obama is right about allowing non-Xtians 2 live as they want. It is up to us 2 enforce anti-abortion n anti-gay views in our communities but not on non-Xtians. Even that only excommunication is allowed by Scripture. Who is cherry picking now?

    April 11, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • Wes Scott

      If you want people to understand your opinion, then you might want to consider writing in English so that we can actually tell what you are saying and understand the points you are trying to make. Writing in your own form of ebonics does not help.

      April 12, 2012 at 1:28 am |
  14. Nii

    America can't afford to miseducate their children cos of religious differences. Let children pray in schools and teach them ID then teach them Evolution too. you need the doctors, and engineers. The Chinese r beating u!

    April 11, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What are smoking, Nii? Your posts seem even more delusional and disjointed than usual.

      April 11, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Carol

      Critical thinking takes courage, which is just one more thing among several that Nii is short on.

      April 12, 2012 at 8:23 am |
  15. nookster

    These religous wingnuts have destroyed the GOP. Obama's a shoe in for 4 more years. If they continue to run the republican party into the dirt and put up more candidates like Santorum, Bachmann and Perry in 4 years then they'll get 8 more years of Hillary Clinton.

    April 11, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Carol

      You're probably right except that I don't think Hilary will run for office after Obama's term is done.

      Ha, I nearly posted just "I don't think Hilary will run after Obama." Now that would be too weird :-).

      April 12, 2012 at 8:26 am |
  16. Jake

    The Bible specifically prohibits slandering someone and creating distrust. In fact, it mentions it several times in the Bible several times more than any "sins" these so-called Christians seem to be more passionate about. Yet, conservative Christians are one of the main culprits in perpetuating slander and creating an environment of distrust and even hatred against Obama. And just like greed and gluttony they'll find some way to excuse their actions. You'd think as "Christians" the first thing they'd do is advocate for loving and praying for Obama, not so with these guys. Oh I'm sure they suggest praying for Obama on occassion just so they can "act Christian" and all, but their hearts, the one where Christ is supposed reside in, well now, during the week they'll forward on those spammed emails of "evidence" about how Obama is the anti-Christ who's trying to turn us Muslim and all. So what will conservative Christians do now Santorum is not in the race? Do what they always have done, pick the candidate based on hate, as in the one they hate less. Ironically, for Protestant evangelicals, the most vocal religious conservatives, they have to choose between a Mormon and a Protestant. How to rectify that? Deny Obama is a Protestant. It wasn't that hard for the devil to pull that trick; after all God was never in the conservative Christian's heart to begin with.

    April 11, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • Wes Scott

      Well stated, Jake! If a Christian wants to convince me that his way is THE way, then he should act more like Jesus than like a hate-filled, vulgar sociopathic conservative "Christian." Jesus was a flaming liberal. He advocated helping the poor, taking care of the earth, being your brother's keeper and speaking no evil about your neighbors. God instructed them not to commit adultery (Gingrich), bear false witness against their neighbor (every conservative who ever claimed Obama is a Muslim born outside the United States), love thy neighbor as thyself (most conservatives want to exterminate whole civilizations because they believe in a different god even though they claim there is only one god), and the list goes on and on.

      Hey, Christians! Listen up! If you want us to believe what you have to say, then try living by example. What we see from you now is hate, anger, rejection of what Jesus taught, war, class warfare, greed, hypocrisy, lies, killing and everything else that Jesus specifically preached against.

      "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ" – Ghandi

      April 12, 2012 at 11:13 am |
  17. janelle

    The alternative to Romney is Obama, given that choice, what do you think we religious conservatives will do? Vote for Romney every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

    April 11, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Primewonk

      "religious conservative" is an oxymoron. Your Jesus was the biggest liberal ever. You, and the other fundiots (fundamentalist îdiots) are about as far from his ideals as possible.

      April 11, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • QS

      Which has kinda been my point all along....conservatives don't really care about the economy as much as they do social issues. So even though some of them may understand what Romney would do to the economy, they'll still vote for him just because he's against gay rights!

      April 11, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • El Flaco

      So Christian Conservatives prefer a White infidel to a Black Christian?

      That seems odd. What is the explanation for that?

      April 11, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Primewonk: actually, Jesus broke the political categories we use today.
      He was clearly a social progressive (breaking cultural norms everywhere he went)
      while yet being absolutely a theological conservative (appealing to Scripture all the time).

      April 11, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
  18. Nii

    IMPOTENT RIGHTS!!!
    Now all Evangelicals can form behind that. Let Obama run on that and all the Evangelicals follow him so that the Evangelicals then vote for an Evangelical.

    April 11, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Primewonk

      The impotent have the same rights as to potent. They are just shooting blanks.

      April 11, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Nii

      Primewonk
      U r talking about the infertile. They can consummate their marriages. I am talking about limp sausage no amount of Viagra can help. They shud be allowed to waive consummation of marriage.

      April 11, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • drinker75

      You are obviously speaking from experience and nobody cares. Impotent men have every right anyone else does.

      April 11, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • Nii

      DRINKER75
      Are u saying we the IMPOTENT RIGHT ACTIVISTS r impotent as in gay rights activists are gay? That is so hateful. You must be a believer or non-believer. Secularists see what I'm talking about. Believers and non-believers hate Impotents.

      April 11, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
  19. noradicals99

    i am a christian, and really dont care what these religious loonies who cannot make an independent educated decision without quoting the bible or there interpretation of

    April 11, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • noradicals99

      *their

      April 11, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Patrick

      So....you're a Christian who scoffs at those who use the Bible as a guide. You sound very much as the type of Christian who only uses a Bible when it goes along with what you think. No thanks. We have one of those right now as the sitting President.

      April 11, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Wes Scott

      Patrick

      "So....you're a Christian who scoffs at those who use the Bible as a guide. You sound very much as the type of Christian who only uses a Bible when it goes along with what you think. No thanks. We have one of those right now as the sitting President."

      Patrick, one can be a Christian without having to rely upon a book of fairy tales assembled by the Holy Roman Church from a collection of various and sundry ancient texts that they then redacted and assembled to tell their own version of what actually happened and what was said.

      Your very own statement proves that you and Jesus are on opposite sides. Jesus would never have made the patently false statement about our president that you made.

      I understand what noradicals99 was saying even if he did fail to complete his sentence. Apparently, you don't. The truth is, those who quote the Bible then promote hydraulic fracturing, which destroys water, air and soil, sickens and kills humans and animals, and harms God's creations (including the planet) are doing exactly what you accuse noradicals99 and Obama of doing.

      Those who promote hate and killing of other people and cultures while using the Bible as their justification are doing exactly what you accuse noradicals99 and Obama of doing.

      Those who bear false witness against others, including our president, are doing exactly what you accuse noradicals99 and Obama of doing.

      You are testamony to the very things you claim to abhor. The Bible constantly contradicts itself, and it is NOT the divinely inspired word of God. It is a collection of ancient writings selectively compiled and edited by the Catholic Church, and then periodically redacted to fit the current needs based upon how society has changed over the centuries.

      If you had ANY knowledge about the truth of the Bible, then you would realize that the Nag Hammadi and Dead Sea scrolls that were unearthed more than 60 years ago, upon which the Bible is compiled, contradict much of the modern Bible. Do you mean to tell me that the original manuscripts had it wrong, and that those written centuries later have it right? If so, then you just lose ANY credibility you may have had!

      April 12, 2012 at 11:45 am |
  20. rodneycompton

    Evangelicals better not support Romney. If they do, it will greatly reduce the evangelical and Tea Party influence in politics for years to come.

    April 11, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • noradicals99

      laughable, the complete joke that congress has become is reflection enough of the tea party damaging the ability of the republican party to get anything done on the hill

      April 11, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
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