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With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist
Kirk Cameron released a documentary in theatres on Friday titled "Monumental."
April 13th, 2012
05:02 PM ET

With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– Kirk Cameron could have joined the ranks of former TV heartthrobs who rode off into the sunset, reappearing only for the occasional reunion show or career-reviving role in a TV drama. Think Ricky Schroder or Scott Baio.

But Cameron, known to millions of Americans as Mike Seaver on the hit ‘80s-era show “Growing Pains,” is carving out a new niche for himself, as an unlikely voice of politically conservative American evangelicals.

Cameron has a new documentary on the faith of America’s founders that arrives in theaters on Friday. He is neither a historian nor theologian, but the film, “Monumental,” shows him consumed with Christianity - and with rage over what he says has been the systematic removal of religion’s role from American history.

The film opens with Cameron sitting on an Adirondack chair in his backyard. Looking straight and silently into the camera, a voice-over of his own voice alerts viewers that the world around him is going to hell.

“There is something seriously sick in the soul of our country,” the voice-over says.

“Don’t worry about the fact the world is going to hell in a hand basket - just get out of the hand basket,” his friends tell him. But Cameron explains that he refuses to listen and instead sets out to make “Monumental: In Search of America’s National Treasure,” which investigates the debate over America’s soul.

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Over the last decade, Cameron has become the wholesome, boyish face of Christian cinema. He starred in “Left Behind,” the low-budget film based on the wildly popular Christian book series.

More recently, he played the lead role in “Fireproof,” a breakout film that shocked the Hollywood establishment when it debuted in the top 10 in its first week and wound up taking in an estimated $33 million. The film was made by Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia, for just over $500,000.

Cameron was one of the only professional actors in the film; the rest were congregants from the church.

Along with such popular movies as Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ,” ”Fireproof” showed the potential for a new market in explicitly Christian films. In the last two years, crossover movies like “Soul Surfer” and “Courageous” have had parallel advertising campaigns targeting churches.

The movement has propelled Cameron back into the spotlight.

“Monumental” is Cameron’s baby. He is its executive producer and its star.

“When I survey the landscape and turn on the news, all signs are saying panic,” Cameron recently said.

“Instead of listening to everyone play the blame game … maybe the best place to look for solutions was to talk to the men and women who built this country 400 years ago and laid the foundations that resulted in a nation that has experienced more blessing and prosperity and strength than any other nation in the world,” he said.

“That launched me on this journey to retrace the Pilgrims and find the sacred sauce.”

In the film, Cameron retraces the Pilgrims’ steps from England to Holland to the New World. He talked to scholars and historians, digging in on the faith of the Founding Fathers.

What he found, he said, is a forgotten historical narrative not taught in schools.

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Those first principles, as Cameron sees them, are spelled out in a scene depicting a large stone monument near Massachusetts’ Plymouth Rock, the spot memorialized as the place the Pilgrims landed.

“Faith in God … produces character, character will produce courage, courage to face the challenges of the day,” Cameron says in the movie, riffing off the Pilgrims’ story.

Cameron teamed with NCM Fathom, a company that streams live events to movie theaters nationwide, like live performances of the Metropolitan Opera and boxing matches, to offer a sneak peek at the film a couple of weekends ago. That debut was emceed by Cameron, featured live performances by Christian bands and was beamed out live on more than 600 screens, grossing $1.23 million, according to NCM and Cameron's publicist.

Kirk Cameron stares at an inscription at the Jefferson Memorial in Washington.

The new documentary has faced criticism for its inclusion of self-taught evangelical Christian historian David Barton.

A favorite among evangelicals for his Christian-centric views of the Founding Fathers and his vast collection of historical documents, Barton is heavily featured in the film.

“The reason I went to go see David Barton is because he owns the largest collection of original source documents from the founding era that I can get my hands on and that you can go and see,” Cameron said.

“When you look at those documents it becomes incredibly clear there has been a lot of cherry picking of the evidence done to support a very particular worldview, and that’s the worldview our children are learning in school and it’s not the full and complete historical record because it doesn’t reflect the faith of our Founding Fathers,” the actor said.

In a version of the film made available for screening and in clips posted online, Barton shows Cameron the “Thompson Hot Press Bible,” which Barton said was printed in 1798 and was funded by 12 signers of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, including John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

“They wanted the word of God out to every family,” Barton says in the clip. “If these guys happen to be Christians it makes a lot of sense.”

Barton then picks up a small rare Bible known as the “Aitken Bible.” “The Bible of the Revolution was printed by the Congress of the United States. So Congress printed the first English Language version of the Bible,” Barton said. He goes on to say the Congress said, “This was a neat edition of the Bible for use in our schools.”

Warren Throckmorton, an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College, a private Christian school in Pennsylvania, has criticized Barton’s version of history and Cameron’s films.

About much of the history featured in the film, Throckmorton said, “That’s just not what happened.”

After seeing clips of the documentary, Throckmorton fact-checked some parts.

He said he found that the “Thompson Hot Press Bible” was not funded in total by 12 Founders. Instead, he said, the Bible was funded by a subscription base of 1,200 customers that included 12 Founding Fathers. “The printers funded that Bible, the Founders didn’t fund it. It was a business venture for them.”

As for the quote Barton attributed to Congress about putting the Bible in schools, it actually came from Robert Aitken’s petition to Congress. Aitken was a colonial printer. The Journals of Congress from 1782 shows Aitken completed the Bible on his own and sought the blessing of Congress.

The record shows a report from two congressional chaplains who examined the work, which they praised.

Congress passed a resolution to recommend “this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States and hereby authorize him to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.” That resolution did not mention it being put in schools.

“David Barton gets the facts wrong when it comes to these two Bibles,” Throckmorton said. “The facts of the case are stretched and embellished to create a narrative that is misleading.”

Cameron defended Barton’s work. “No one is more guilty of cherry picking evidence than those who bow to the god of political correctness, especially historians,” Cameron said. “Everyone is going to select the information that is important to their thesis. If you’re bent on being politically correct, it’s very easy to fall into that trap.”

Throckmorton noted that he and other critics of Barton’s work hail from Christian colleges and universities.

Early controversy surrounding Cameron's comments on social issues have given the film more media coverage than Cameron could have imagined for a small-budget documentary.

Appearing on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight last month, Cameron fielded questions about abortion, gay marriage and what he would do if one of his six children came out to him as gay.

None of the topics appear in the film, but Cameron expressed views on same-sex marriage, abortion and homosexuality that are common among conservative evangelical Christians.

Cameron called homosexuality “unnatural,” adding, “I think that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."

His comments sparked outrage from gay rights groups like GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. The group led a campaign to counter Cameron’s comments with other 1980s TV stars and evangelicals on the other side of the theological spectrum.

GLAAD spotlighted a bevy of celebrities who chided Cameron for his positions on homosexuality, including a tweet from Rosanne Barr, who suggested Cameron was “an accomplice to murder with his hate speech.”

Cameron said his support for traditional marriage is rooted in faith and thinks it should inform policy decisions: “You either believe marriage and human sexuality are sacred or you do not.”

Cameron jokingly described his faith as “high octane” but said he considers himself part of the evangelical Christian tradition. He said he goes to a small nondenominational community church near his home in California, though his publicist later clarified that he is not a member of the church, whose name he would not disclose because of privacy and security concerns.

Cameron said he was caught off guard by the controversy around his comments.

“It is my goal to love everyone. I hate no one,” he said. “Regardless of their race, religion, their proclivities, the desire of their heart and how they want to live their life and the decisions that they make. I can even respect people’s decisions and lifestyle choices just as I hope they have the courtesy to respect my decisions and my choices.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church and state • Religious liberty

soundoff (2,339 Responses)
  1. JHC

    "In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." Thomas Jefferson – Founding Father

    April 14, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • mikstov33

      Congratulations JHC...you have just nailed the true definition of the much feared Antichrist.And Thomas Jefferson was correct. Whenever evil priests,prophets,bishops or Popes are in the pockets of leaders of state,bad things tend to happen.Oh,yes,lets not forget Imams and ayatollahs.

      April 14, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
  2. JHC

    "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." Thomas Jefferson – Founding Father

    April 14, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
  3. mikstov33

    Forgive them Lord, for they know NOT what they do.........
    I'm actually refering to the mainstream christian church and the lies that are being put forth by the ministers and self-proclaimed spokespersons. But then, religious confusion IS supposed to increase in the last days. Jesus said "those that hate me will also hate you".
    But to all of you who think Jesus Christ was a fairy tale, I guess you really don't care...right? That must be why so many spend so much time and energy on the internet to discredit and humiliate those with faith. And you do it so...so....Religiously. Hmmmm......

    April 14, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • momoya

      What kind of stupid god can't communicate clearly?. I mean, if so many people are confused about who god is and what he wants, he should figure out how to do something about that.. I mean, we all agree on math and chemistry.. What gives?

      April 14, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Snap

      How exactly though can Cameron say he respects someones choices in lifestyle when he spends all his energy trying to outlaw the choices they made? That is not respect Cameron! That is not love either!

      April 14, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      momoya, could it be (yes, it can) that you studied math and chemistry and slacked off on getting to know Jesus?

      Doesn't take Einstein to figure out who truly is the stupid(s) one(s).

      April 14, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • momoya

      I've studied the bible and it's god way, way more than math or chemistry.. God believers of all gods use the same math and chemistry because they must–they disagree on god's nature and desires because they can.. Either god su.cks at communicating with man or does not exist.. Take your pick.

      April 14, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HS slacked off on the study of sciences and maths in order to worship a non-existent being. It shows.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • HeavenSent

      momoya, what (to use your word "sucks") is that some people can't fathom Jesus' truth if they aren't lead by the nose. You'd think if you didn't comprehend all that He's written, you'd keep seeking. But, nnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooo. You, like most non-believers take the easy way out and quit learning.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Good lord, what an idiot you are HS. The depths of your stupidity and ignorance never cease to amaze me. Momoya could beat the crap out of you in a debate, no question about it.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
  4. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 14, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • Lilith

      and there's the person also known as "Just Sayin" carpet bombing us again with his "prayer changes things" mind numbing repettion!

      April 14, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • just sayin

      Hows the view with your head up there lillith?

      April 14, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Lilith

      From here I can see you and "HeavenSent", coincidence .. I think not!

      April 15, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Lilith, or whoever you are, get a life.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You first, you Social Security sucking wh0re.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!. . `

      April 16, 2012 at 11:56 am |
  5. NanookoftheNorth

    Way to go Kirk ! When I went to bed last night this article only had 127 comments...now going on 2,000 !!
    Even when the haters get on here to complain about God or anyone's love for Him, it gets the discussion rolling and people to thinking. God Bless you Kirk and keep fighting the good fight !

    April 14, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You are mistaken. Reading about Kirk's insanity is like a car accident: you know you shouldn't look, but you can't bear to turn away. It's called "Schadenfreude", dear.

      April 14, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Jane

      Letting Kirk talk is like letting the racists have their say. You may be offended by what they say, and you can say how crazy these people's ideas are, but there's nothing like hearing it from their own mouths. Good job, CNN!

      April 14, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jane, you use the word racist because you are in denial of his truth. Low blow by all you non-believers using anything to get your way. It won't work because Jesus' truth prevails over satan's lies.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
  6. Welled

    Now that end time senerio may not match up with the one that leaves me hysterical. The one with the camps. The nuke and the miraculous re-entry into Jerusalem by the Hebrews. Also the forming of the U.N. "Wolf pack" by the the nations that are perminate keepers of that end time disaster. Of course God approved from many angles. Some athiests don't get that one. Its really funny however. 6 and 7 day wars are way to miraculous for me. I'm waiting for the 2 day war with Israel and Iran so I can catch it on Tivo.

    April 14, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      The "Way" I see this world's End is when the sun, our star goes Super-Nova and it expands and does envelope this earth with waves upon waves of heat, fire and brimestone! Could it happen today,,,, maybe tommorrow or next week, maybe next year but most likely a few hundred thousand years or even longer! Meanwhile We who are but lowlife slaves will serve our slave-masteries in a never-ending cyclical of biased pretenses meant to hell-bound-up the general masses of people for the skaes of the chosen richer than!

      April 14, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Cq

      Pipe-Dreamer
      The sun will die in a few billion years and the sad thing is there will probably still be Christians saying that Jesus' return will be "Any day now!"

      April 14, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • just sayin

      Jesus was the light before the sun and Jesus will be the light when the sun is gone. God bless

      April 14, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      just lyin=moron.

      April 14, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      TomTom = grouchy old matron.

      April 14, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Piddler: ineffectual boy.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • HeavenSent

      My vote goes to Tommie Tom who is the most miserable person alive today.

      God Bless you Tommie.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
  7. Welled

    To those who keep their earthly treasuries in great abundant measure, I'll try here every think the guys that wrote that book had something to do with keeping you at work laboring and working for those who do keep all the earthly treasures? I mean bascially thats what everone does. Now if they wanted you to be a good boy and do that for them then they might have something written like that in there and distribute that book w-i-d-e-l-y. You of course would have hell in front of you as well kind of a discouragement from not obeying. Meanwhile hell would exsist for them to in your mind. So they would have to obey. No good. So you get to wait till the end till Jesus shows up and all the users and swindlers and rich get smoked. It's not your classic Dragnet swindel like the old magazine subscription scam. Or the we are bank examiners give us your cash so we can catch the teller scam. It's a little more sophisticated. However it seems to work. There is a believer born every minute. Pat Robertson at his magical healing cavalcade 1978. No there are two believers born every minute Thomas Jefferson on his invocation to congress and should people believe the government. There is a believer born every minute W.C. Fields.

    April 14, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      Welled,,, There is no difference between Christ's Timeline and Today's Time-periods. Only the names have changed! We today have slaves and we have masters of slaveries! Instead of having God-heads we once had Kings. Instead of Kings we now have Presidents and Prime Ministers. The proverbial clincher of today is we are Free to do and to choose what we are to do! Oh what a farce freedom is! Only the very arrogant and the very waakly minded dares not to so believe in such verbased thoughts!

      April 14, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Pipedreamer..so it is not arrogant to think you are the chosen species to have your personal god? that you were created to be the slave of a god? weak minded..you have been instructed to believe but have never seen the alien to which you bow...you have the weak mind.. you appear to be afraid to use it.

      April 14, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
  8. Pipe-Dreamer

    Pipe-Dreamer's Philosophied Revelations
    (Updated with regularity)
    Feedings from the fodders of incrementally positioned vanguards of the illusitories' ramparts does ever tender the makings of Life itself! Being nurtured by inclinations of Godliness will never truly quench the thirstiest of allotted sakes! So, 'Go placidly amid the noise and wastes while always remembering the peace one finds in ever finding a piece thereof!"
    April 14, 2012 at 2:15 pm
    God is no respecter of humanisms' umbrages be they spoken or written! God ever wills the people to make better their ownliness Life! God could ever care less if and/or when ONE turns their back on God! The Gospels themselves have become strewn with falsehoods and bitter tasting amalgamations of indifferings laments! Tiz nowadays way better for one to be at distance from any and all Godly writings! To keep safe inside one's heart-filled soul only the verses needed to find comfort and a way to get thru daily regards is all anyone can do! The challenge to Life is to live it and not fall from it!
    April 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    @Scott: wrote on Saturday, April 14, 2012 at 1:06 pm stating, "he Gospel: Jesus gave up his life so his murderers might have life. Abortion: My life as I want it is more important than this helpless child's life."
    Women have misscarriages all the time and even have still-births. Societies need to allow people their due causes and reasonings for wanton abortions as the cases may be in the benefits of parental consternations relative to their life needs and wants.
    April 14, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    Mark wrote on Saturday, April 14, 2012 at 12:43 pm, stating, "Concerning Pipe-Dreamer: I have a degree in Philosophy. This guy is confounding the language not to make a point, but to make an appearance. There really is nothing in the way of fact here; rather a series of statements, each contingent upon his beliefs, all taken from an objective source – the Bible. Beliefs never equal Truth."
    So says "Mark" who makes claims for being a "Philosophy" contender! The "degrees" in living one's Life dare seems to outweigh the papered assortments one does entangle upon! One might view Truth to be physically relative yet one may see Truth via Spiritual cunning! The Peabodies of dogmaticalisms' rendered paperworks are pee'd upon and ever thrown away afterwards!
    April 14, 2012 at 1:37 pm
    The "integration" principle does not make "integrity" resolutionary nor does it become a righteous and sole claiming of atheist wanna bes who know very much but despise things they do not cherish!
    April 14, 2012 at 12:02 pm
    Young and somewhat Faithless are the deniers who do embellish in their sins, the unleavened rights to scoff at and spit in the faces of those who "TRULY" do believe in an Afterlife! The names do all change yet the "game" remains ever the same! The dearly departed and deadened from Life's Faithfulness in God's Sons and Daughters wherein Christ Jesus is as their crowned King and our unwaivering Redeemer will forever in the humanists' wills be the saving graces of one's eternalness of Life unto death into Life upon death and ever onward thru the undulations of Time immemorial! Humaisms' of renditioned Godliness is being next to the Being we call our God!
    April 14, 2012 at 11:52 am
    I too can quote "Star Wars"! I do believe in the "Force" as coming from beings the Jedi called as being "midichlorians" which are beings that inhabit all of life's embodiments deeply upon the inside on a scale of such miniaturation we will never really set sight upon them! Such a Faith does not go against the Gospels' certaining verses that tend to embellish our bodies as being mere buildings wherein the Sons and Daughters of God are kempt or living out their Lives!
    April 14, 2012 at 11:32 am
    2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    TrueWordofGod wrote stating, "Don't diss Almighty God. People with real intellect, know there is a mighty, supernatural God who created the world, the universe and all its living creatures. One day all people will come to know that there is a loving and mighty God who demands your attention and worship. There is coming a time when it will be too late to take back stupid comments or your ignorance. This isn't ancient mythology, it's about a relationship with a real God. My prayer is people here would come to know almighty God and that he would capture their hearts."
    On April 14, 2012 at 11:16 am
    I was birthed by parents who never attended church while I was being raised. They, my parents were named Joseph and Mary. In thier lifetimes dad revealed to me that he believed in a supreme being but did not go so far to call such abeing as being God. I found my Faith upon God when I turned 33! In loving of Godly principalities I did nourish and revel in the Gospels yet in "rightly dividing the Word of Truth" I did find certain verses of scripture an undeniability and beyond mere christian's rationalisms and atheists cunnings! God was God and He is God and will forever be God, the only immortal Being, by God!
    April 14, 2012 at 11:18 am
    Many of you atheists seem to forget that God's Son Christ Jesus was sent to us in order to redeem all us humanists and give to us an abundancy of everlasting Life! Living eternally does not, I repeat, does not mean becoming immortal! It means one is to live and die and live and die according to God's King of His Sons and Daughters, Christ Jesus, our redeemer of living the Life in abundant measurements! Only fools do believe in immortalities and living forever on one dimensional plain of existence!
    April 14, 2012 at 11:00 am
    Just on the accounts of humanisms' history trees are ladled with the religious being ever so fearful of God's impending wrath should they investigate things does in no way or shape or formula make today's closeted christians alikened to their pruned branches being thown upon the dung heaps!
    April 14, 2012 at 10:30 am
    God has a long held tradition for all us humanists who do and whomever doesn't believe in Godly reconciliations! One part heads North while the other part heads South! We all do service the users and even the abusers of Godliness endeavorments. Love therefore, one's own rationales and keep safely tucked away one's simplest of Truths for fear of the dawdlers of bickering and condemnation! Their days are as but second-hand clothes to be handed down come their End of Life!
    April 14, 2012 at 9:46 am
    God the conceptualization was long before man became flesh and bones! For the concepts of Creation itself needed to be nourished! Easy are the deniers' ways but weighty are their yolks. Would any of us humanists truly give up your Life in order for all of mankind to be spared death's beds of sorrows and forlornments? The Love from God is not without His Wrath but the Love of Christ Jesus for all of Humanism is our redemptions' branches! Clamoring to throw pea-like pebbles and spit toward the very traditions of the Gospel Truth in salvations' benefisciaries is harmful to one's simplest ideologies and humane strengths!
    April 14, 2012 at 9:26 am
    1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

    Snoozie,,,, "freedom to work" you say? What about the freedom NOT to work? If one freely is unwilling to work then what are one's choices? I have deduced that "freedom to work" is but an outlandish and dastardly way to convince present day slaves to have choices as to which slave-master they hope to serve proudly or not.
    April 13, 2012 at 5:43 pm
    Catholocism is not worthy of even being considered a Christianizable religion for they hold back so much dough in their treasuries that one could with ease, feed many 3rd world countries for perhaps years if they were to "give up" their dough!
    April 13, 2012 at 5:57 pm
    Some, not many are child molesters. If one sees the clergy as a family would one not try to hide their family's dirty laundry from the neighbors? Because the clergy are devotionalists and dedicated to their Faith's inabilities to have sound reasoning skills does not make them all out to be evil sinners, but in harboring one's dirty laundry, the clergy needs to send it out to be cleansed, as in jail time.
    April 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    The religiously devoted are not "dumb", they are scared and they are not "ignorant", they need guidance to reconcile their lousy and immoral Life they have once led. They are scared and want to find reasons for changing their Life! God to them and myself is the answer to the many Acts and actions we all have done wrong in one's past. It isn't rocket science that one can learn to overcome their own rememberences if ills' wongdoings. They need a little push from people who are as a light and can be found a comforting flame of hope and inspiration to ever so slowly llead them to God and yes the King of all God's Sons and Daughters, our Redeemer Christ Jesus.
    April 13, 2012 at 6:15 pm
    Being of "pride" for getting or being laid is not for the faint of heart. In getting laid at such an early age in my or anyone's Life will eventually play in their Life's deck of cards and in dealing this deck one does ever come across the once were cards to ever be reminded of times' past. That's why I say and do regard myself as being but a lowly closeted Christian unworthy of being called a righteous man of 57 years and counting the days looking ever onward to my Life's End! If God and His Sons and yes, Daughters truly are a realism, then I will be given my justice accordingly for my deeds done here in this real of Celestial Cunning! If there is no God, then I will be none the wiser!
    April 13, 2012 at 6:31 pm
    It may one day be truth where the Mother of all Christendoms will bite the proverbial bullet! She will not, though go down without fighting and screaming and gouging the eyes out of many of her followers. Let's all get back to the basics. A horse to plough the fields with and a cow from which to husband with another's bull, some chickens and rabbits some pigs and goats. Ah for the good ol' days they will soon be a coming back! "Push the buttons you ingrates and let's get this show on the road again"!
    April 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm
    There is a time to hold onto and a time to let go of. There are times to remember and times to try and forget. Their are people who do scratch at and claw upon the words of others' faithed wordages. There are also people who stand by and listen and just plainly observe There are those who listen and observe justifiable people of pleasentries and others of ill will who might prey upon those who are unsheltered and in unleavened safe harborages. The young-in-heart's souls are spirited and weak in love knowledge and try unendingly searching the lands ever to seek loving from others away from their nest. Loving your children always is a test!
    April 13, 2012 at 7:14 pm
    One one wrote, "Religion offers the seductive simplicity of certainty, a temptation too strong for many to resist."
    April 13, 2012 at 7:18 pm
    The "trickery" of atheisms are their deluding others of weakened minds and fair gaminess in moments of despair. It is quite easy to see death as being one's end but such a death is of physical accords while the spiritual works of the Holy Ghost are an endless affair of God's whole-heartedness to give to beleivers another spirit-filled Life upon the inner-workings of the Micro-Chasms' unending places inwardly and not up in or even in the abovenss like many worshipper are led to beleive in their mind's eye. We are much more than a piece of flesh upon bones. We are of God and His whole families do live inside us! I Love in the joys of knowing God's few Truths He has let my mind's eyes see and I lay awake at nights ever dreamful of my next Life inside the kingdom Domain of God, the Heavens' Father and Creator of and of all Celestial manifestations! God's Will is ever to be done knowingly or unknwoingly for these are the choices one has. To believe or not to believe in God, the Father and His eons of Sons and Daughters and theirs and always on down the lines of each and every generation of His Godliness Kinds!
    April 13, 2012 at 8:22 pm
    Freedom? Is not Freedoms nothing more than laws meant to oblige one's tattering livelihoods? Who here can honestly say they are free? Do we not have obligations? Are we not obligated to work in order to gain sustanances for living? The curses of freedoms' laments weigh heavily upon those who gregariously plunder the needs of the many with undue justices! The poor of each and every nation or country find peace in their pittiful existence and their needs are few when compared to the needs of the most rich! "Give to the poor" is what the rich ever do deny and will never truly do! They are the true hypocrits of the Gospels!
    April 13, 2012 at 8:48 pm
    God was and is and ever will be just a God! Call God whatever one wills and God will never be changed! Throw all the verbal excrements one wants at God and God will never be moved! Love God even just a smidgen and God will open His Kingodms' Heavenly Gates wide when your time comes to leave this world! Showing mercies to the weak in mind and poor in spirit and God will adorn you with much when your time here reaches its' end! To those who keep their earthly treasuries in great abundant measure, knows not God's Will and God will not receive them when their time comes for is it not written to give all you have to the very poorest and the most needy? It may well be said by many that, "whoever has the most toys wins" but I say to all, "There are far too few winners and way too many losers in Life, so be that which you adorn to and cling ever closely to your spirited heart-felt teachings no matter the cost for living here among our Life's Tree of Celestial Cosmologies!"
    April 13, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    I was raised by parents who weren't one bit strict! In matters of Facts, they never did ever go to church! My very early years are but blurs and I remember bits and pieces, fragmented by time they were. I have no bitterness towards my parents. They were very kind and I do so cherish the moments we had together. May God grant them both their heavens' rewards for being the most gentle of parents toward brother and I!
    April 13, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    April 14, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
  9. Welled

    I don't agree with some of that. The Hebrews are a people and have historical recording of such. What the united synagouges or whatever you reference it means nothing to me as there are about 9 different semetic peoples. Who aren't Hebrew that love playing the "We are Gods chosen" for fun and prizes. I know a rock head when I hear one. I'm a semite myself not a Hebrew. However I do business with them.

    April 14, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Cq

      The Greeks were real people too, but that doesn't mean that their stories about Zeus, Hades, Apollo and Hercules are true, does it? All of the ancient people's had stories about mythical gods that figured into their histories, so why would the Hebrews be any different?

      April 14, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      Welled & Cq,,,,,,,,,,,, ,.

      Both of your posts are thought provocking! All I have to add to your posts is just this,,,, "Let all countries and nations and states learn to fend for themselves and just quit trying to pass the buck along to the most rich! Give to the very weakest in mind and poorest of hearts their just treats!"

      April 14, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
  10. Pipe-Dreamer

    God was and is and ever will be just a God! Call God whatever one wills and God will never be changed! Throw all the verbal excrements one wants at God and God will never be moved! Love God even just a smidgen and God will open His Kingodms' Heavenly Gates wide when your time comes to leave this world! Showing mercies to the weak in mind and poor in spirit and God will adorn you with much when your time here reaches its' end! To those who keep their earthly treasuries in great abundant measure, knows not God's Will and God will not receive them when their time comes for is it not written to give all you have to the very poorest and the most needy? It may well be said by many that, "whoever has the most toys wins" but I say to all, "There are far too few winners and way too many losers in Life, so be that which you adorn to and cling ever closely to your spirited heart-felt teachings no matter the cost for living here among our Life's Tree of Celestial Cosmologies!"

    April 14, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  11. Dimitri

    I believe in Christ with all my heart, but Kirk Cameron has got to be the most psycho-religious, sanctimonious, ignorant fundie with a persecution complex. Both he and Ray Comfort are leaning towards Puritanical Theocracy.

    April 14, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Jane

      You're singing to the choir, child! Regular Christians need to separate themselves from the crazy fringe because it gives us all bad name.

      April 14, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I think Cameron is a brave Christian for what he's doing. All true Christians know the difficulty it is to voice our love for Jesus today.

      I love Jesus.

      Amen.

      April 14, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      How can you say you believe in Christ with all your heart and say things like you did in your post about this man?
      What this man says is according to the Word of God. You cannot say you know Christ, but deny what is written in Word of God. If you do, you have made up God of your own imagination, and do not know the Christ of whom the Spirit of God testifies. Kirk Cameron is right in everything he said. What part do you deny?

      April 14, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Prissy, how stupid are you? Do you honestly believe God made a banana so it fits in our hands? That ho m -os-3xuals choose to be attracted to others of the same s -3x? That evolution isn't occurring?

      There are MILLIONS of intelligent people who believe in God and think Kirk and people like him are complete a z zw ipes.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, do you honestly believe the garbage you were conditioned to believe. You haven't a clue to how powerful and influential the media is ... bombarding everyone to buy this or that to become this or that. Go back to freshman year re-take advertising.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The day you show the slightest sign of intelligence, HS, is the day I'll take your advice.

      Hasn't happened yet.

      Good luck on your next attempt, grandma.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
  12. Reality

    Dear Kirk,

    Apparently, your religious education needs some updating. See below:

    1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

    “New Torah For Modern Minds

    Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

    2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

    earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

    This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

    And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

    Current crises:

    The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

    4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

    The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

    Current problems:

    The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

    5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

    "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

    Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

    Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

    Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

    April 14, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, it takes courage to be a Christian. It takes nothing at all to be a coward.

      April 14, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Silver

      HS-Right on!

      April 14, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      @HS it takes no courage at all to be a Christian in America. What a strange statement to make, no one is persecuting you. It actually takes a LOT more courage to be outspoken on the issue of FreeThought or Atheism. I just LOVE the "I'm Being Persecuted" mentality of Christians today.

      April 14, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Jane

      @HeavenSent
      Like it takes courage to bully somebody. Admit it, you guys get off on being in people's faces with your ideas.

      April 14, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I notice the twit has stopped ending her/his posts with the arrogant "Amen".

      April 14, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Amen

      Amen

      April 14, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jane, you shot first with "@HeavenSent, Like it takes courage to bully somebody. Admit it, you guys get off on being in people's faces with your ideas."

      Answer: I am not or never was in your face. Therefore, who is bullying whom? As far as Christians concerned about your soul? You'd complain if we didn't care.

      Amen.

      April 14, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie, Tom, I pray that you get help through anger management courses.

      Amen.

      April 14, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      thecollegeadmissionsguru, you posted "@HS it takes no courage at all to be a Christian in America. What a strange statement to make, no one is persecuting you. It actually takes a LOT more courage to be outspoken on the issue of FreeThought or Atheism. I just LOVE the "I'm Being Persecuted" mentality of Christians today."

      Answer: I already went through the persecution routine with non-believers. Actually, I had a double whammy handed to me at the same time, that's what a bunch of cowards you are ... kick folks, why your blind fold, gag and tie them down... I'm still standing because of my love for Jesus. Basically, you have no idea what persecution is except what you read in your college text. When you walk through the fires and come out standing, write back.

      Amen.

      April 14, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • CoCooo....

      I thought Tom, Tom can't notice anything else but people's misspellings...... Look out, here! Better shape up, everyone! We've got here a very educated dude!

      April 14, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      HeavenSent, this time I shall add A M E N to your post!

      April 14, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @HeavenSent,
      Since there are few posts in between, the "AMEN" was specifically for the one you said:
      "Reality, it takes courage to be a Christian. It takes nothing at all to be a coward."
      A M E N!

      April 14, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      CoCooo, I notice you just now showed up, which is indicative of your troll status-you are just another iteration of one of the usual morons on here. Blow it out your ear, honey.

      HS, you got sh!t-canned from your job because no one wanted to work with you; your bosses couldn't stand you and neither could your colleagues. Boo-hoo. Cry me a river, you old bat.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, you can be my assistant any day (LOL). As for my boss(es), you were on that night when I wrote about how they set me up so they wouldn't have my job duties under their roof. They lost their jobs because all their lies came out in the wash and didn't/couldn't do their jobs! Therefore, re-write history all you want, for your lies don't hold water either.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Paranoia Puncture

      HeavenSent,

      It took us months and months (maybe a year) to convince you that your imaginary CNN "Mod Squad" was not picking on you and was not instantly zapping your posts!

      I'm afraid that your assessment of "persecution" and "being left as roadkill" fall into the same zilch bucket.

      April 15, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @Paranoia: HS is your next Norma Desmond.

      April 15, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Paranoia Puncture

      As for posters using multiple screen names - so what! Take each post as it comes and treat it accordingly.

      April 15, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
  13. Welled

    Not me a homeless guy from fresno waits in soup lines. Anyone not bright enough to venture out of the city limits spells danger to me.

    April 14, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
  14. Welled

    Verily, verliy The earth recognizes who is its own. (you need to stop right here you live on the earth. How can you avoid recongnition by anyone here) However you are not of the earth. You are from outer space. The earth knows its own. Outer space I guess know who some of you are.

    April 14, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
  15. thecollegeadmissionsguru

    Why do these idiots always have to "weigh in" like just because they were a "Child star?" it gives them some magical authority? Seriously, I'd rather hear from a homeless guy from Fresno.

    April 14, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • momoya

      You have to look at it from the perspective of a worshiper.. If you're used to worshiping, you keep on worshiping; it's why Mel Gibson's behavior upset so many christians–they were worshiping him.

      April 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I'm not making excuses for Mel and his going over the edge by a user and abuser. But, his wife is a con-artist that set him up. She and her ex-husband are all out of work actors.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  16. Welled

    Ted Turner hates Christianty. I have to wonder about this CNN stuff. I know where he lives. I've eaten at his resturant. I've talked to him. He thinks Christians are nitwits. At least Rockefeller will play the game and send donations laugh because he uses the tar out of you. I guess Ted just ain't that mean.

    April 14, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Turners another Abel, sold his heritage for the ways of the world.

      April 14, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Come on, HS, tell us he's "carnal". You know you want to.

      April 14, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Cq

      Yeah, all those Christian Mingle commercials on CNN ought to be a clue about how they really feel about Christianity.

      April 14, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Come now Tommie Tom. You know more about being carnal than anyone else on this blog.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not even close, HS. You're the one who loves to use the term; therefore, you're the expert.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Cq, I seriously doubt a Christian owns that dating service.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I seriously doubt you know sh!t about Shinola as far as dating sites are concerned, you dried up prune.

      April 15, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Cq

      HeavenSent
      Why not? Christians don't date in your church?

      April 16, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
  17. Welled

    Maybe I'm fractionally well adjusted for those who understand finance.

    April 14, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  18. Welled

    You also have to wonder why all the slop they bag and box up is the same stuff in every differing grocery "chain" store. I like that word chain. Reminds me of debt slavery. Seriously they have to slop their work force and living in the trees in a lot of places or a city you can't grow food for the most part.

    April 14, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
  19. Welled

    I bought some Mozzerlla sticks the other day out of the dairy case 6 bucks for about 13 of them. Fairly good quality I guess. They were shaped like dog biscuts. I'm telling you these guys have a sense of humor.

    April 14, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  20. Pipe-Dreamer

    I was raised by parents who weren't one bit strict! In matters of Facts, they never did ever go to church! My very early years are but blurs and I remember bits and pieces, fragmented by time they were. I have no bitterness towards my parents. They were very kind and I do so cherish the moments we had together. May God grant them both their heavens' rewards for being the most gentle of parents toward my brother and I!

    April 14, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Corey

      PD-Did you watch Monumental?

      April 14, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      Corey,,,, I never tuned in,,,, should I?

      April 14, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Corey

      You should watch the movie if you can!

      April 14, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • Pipe-Dreamer

      Corey,,,,,,,,,,,, ,.

      Clue me in,,,,, Puleeezeee!

      April 14, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
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