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With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist
Kirk Cameron released a documentary in theatres on Friday titled "Monumental."
April 13th, 2012
05:02 PM ET

With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– Kirk Cameron could have joined the ranks of former TV heartthrobs who rode off into the sunset, reappearing only for the occasional reunion show or career-reviving role in a TV drama. Think Ricky Schroder or Scott Baio.

But Cameron, known to millions of Americans as Mike Seaver on the hit ‘80s-era show “Growing Pains,” is carving out a new niche for himself, as an unlikely voice of politically conservative American evangelicals.

Cameron has a new documentary on the faith of America’s founders that arrives in theaters on Friday. He is neither a historian nor theologian, but the film, “Monumental,” shows him consumed with Christianity - and with rage over what he says has been the systematic removal of religion’s role from American history.

The film opens with Cameron sitting on an Adirondack chair in his backyard. Looking straight and silently into the camera, a voice-over of his own voice alerts viewers that the world around him is going to hell.

“There is something seriously sick in the soul of our country,” the voice-over says.

“Don’t worry about the fact the world is going to hell in a hand basket - just get out of the hand basket,” his friends tell him. But Cameron explains that he refuses to listen and instead sets out to make “Monumental: In Search of America’s National Treasure,” which investigates the debate over America’s soul.

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Over the last decade, Cameron has become the wholesome, boyish face of Christian cinema. He starred in “Left Behind,” the low-budget film based on the wildly popular Christian book series.

More recently, he played the lead role in “Fireproof,” a breakout film that shocked the Hollywood establishment when it debuted in the top 10 in its first week and wound up taking in an estimated $33 million. The film was made by Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia, for just over $500,000.

Cameron was one of the only professional actors in the film; the rest were congregants from the church.

Along with such popular movies as Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ,” ”Fireproof” showed the potential for a new market in explicitly Christian films. In the last two years, crossover movies like “Soul Surfer” and “Courageous” have had parallel advertising campaigns targeting churches.

The movement has propelled Cameron back into the spotlight.

“Monumental” is Cameron’s baby. He is its executive producer and its star.

“When I survey the landscape and turn on the news, all signs are saying panic,” Cameron recently said.

“Instead of listening to everyone play the blame game … maybe the best place to look for solutions was to talk to the men and women who built this country 400 years ago and laid the foundations that resulted in a nation that has experienced more blessing and prosperity and strength than any other nation in the world,” he said.

“That launched me on this journey to retrace the Pilgrims and find the sacred sauce.”

In the film, Cameron retraces the Pilgrims’ steps from England to Holland to the New World. He talked to scholars and historians, digging in on the faith of the Founding Fathers.

What he found, he said, is a forgotten historical narrative not taught in schools.

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Those first principles, as Cameron sees them, are spelled out in a scene depicting a large stone monument near Massachusetts’ Plymouth Rock, the spot memorialized as the place the Pilgrims landed.

“Faith in God … produces character, character will produce courage, courage to face the challenges of the day,” Cameron says in the movie, riffing off the Pilgrims’ story.

Cameron teamed with NCM Fathom, a company that streams live events to movie theaters nationwide, like live performances of the Metropolitan Opera and boxing matches, to offer a sneak peek at the film a couple of weekends ago. That debut was emceed by Cameron, featured live performances by Christian bands and was beamed out live on more than 600 screens, grossing $1.23 million, according to NCM and Cameron's publicist.

Kirk Cameron stares at an inscription at the Jefferson Memorial in Washington.

The new documentary has faced criticism for its inclusion of self-taught evangelical Christian historian David Barton.

A favorite among evangelicals for his Christian-centric views of the Founding Fathers and his vast collection of historical documents, Barton is heavily featured in the film.

“The reason I went to go see David Barton is because he owns the largest collection of original source documents from the founding era that I can get my hands on and that you can go and see,” Cameron said.

“When you look at those documents it becomes incredibly clear there has been a lot of cherry picking of the evidence done to support a very particular worldview, and that’s the worldview our children are learning in school and it’s not the full and complete historical record because it doesn’t reflect the faith of our Founding Fathers,” the actor said.

In a version of the film made available for screening and in clips posted online, Barton shows Cameron the “Thompson Hot Press Bible,” which Barton said was printed in 1798 and was funded by 12 signers of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, including John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

“They wanted the word of God out to every family,” Barton says in the clip. “If these guys happen to be Christians it makes a lot of sense.”

Barton then picks up a small rare Bible known as the “Aitken Bible.” “The Bible of the Revolution was printed by the Congress of the United States. So Congress printed the first English Language version of the Bible,” Barton said. He goes on to say the Congress said, “This was a neat edition of the Bible for use in our schools.”

Warren Throckmorton, an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College, a private Christian school in Pennsylvania, has criticized Barton’s version of history and Cameron’s films.

About much of the history featured in the film, Throckmorton said, “That’s just not what happened.”

After seeing clips of the documentary, Throckmorton fact-checked some parts.

He said he found that the “Thompson Hot Press Bible” was not funded in total by 12 Founders. Instead, he said, the Bible was funded by a subscription base of 1,200 customers that included 12 Founding Fathers. “The printers funded that Bible, the Founders didn’t fund it. It was a business venture for them.”

As for the quote Barton attributed to Congress about putting the Bible in schools, it actually came from Robert Aitken’s petition to Congress. Aitken was a colonial printer. The Journals of Congress from 1782 shows Aitken completed the Bible on his own and sought the blessing of Congress.

The record shows a report from two congressional chaplains who examined the work, which they praised.

Congress passed a resolution to recommend “this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States and hereby authorize him to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.” That resolution did not mention it being put in schools.

“David Barton gets the facts wrong when it comes to these two Bibles,” Throckmorton said. “The facts of the case are stretched and embellished to create a narrative that is misleading.”

Cameron defended Barton’s work. “No one is more guilty of cherry picking evidence than those who bow to the god of political correctness, especially historians,” Cameron said. “Everyone is going to select the information that is important to their thesis. If you’re bent on being politically correct, it’s very easy to fall into that trap.”

Throckmorton noted that he and other critics of Barton’s work hail from Christian colleges and universities.

Early controversy surrounding Cameron's comments on social issues have given the film more media coverage than Cameron could have imagined for a small-budget documentary.

Appearing on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight last month, Cameron fielded questions about abortion, gay marriage and what he would do if one of his six children came out to him as gay.

None of the topics appear in the film, but Cameron expressed views on same-sex marriage, abortion and homosexuality that are common among conservative evangelical Christians.

Cameron called homosexuality “unnatural,” adding, “I think that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."

His comments sparked outrage from gay rights groups like GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. The group led a campaign to counter Cameron’s comments with other 1980s TV stars and evangelicals on the other side of the theological spectrum.

GLAAD spotlighted a bevy of celebrities who chided Cameron for his positions on homosexuality, including a tweet from Rosanne Barr, who suggested Cameron was “an accomplice to murder with his hate speech.”

Cameron said his support for traditional marriage is rooted in faith and thinks it should inform policy decisions: “You either believe marriage and human sexuality are sacred or you do not.”

Cameron jokingly described his faith as “high octane” but said he considers himself part of the evangelical Christian tradition. He said he goes to a small nondenominational community church near his home in California, though his publicist later clarified that he is not a member of the church, whose name he would not disclose because of privacy and security concerns.

Cameron said he was caught off guard by the controversy around his comments.

“It is my goal to love everyone. I hate no one,” he said. “Regardless of their race, religion, their proclivities, the desire of their heart and how they want to live their life and the decisions that they make. I can even respect people’s decisions and lifestyle choices just as I hope they have the courtesy to respect my decisions and my choices.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. reason

    The gods of all organized religions, if true, would all be horribly unjust and evil deities to send billions of people to eternal suffering for choosing the wrong one or being born in the wrong place. Looking at organized religion objectively, they are myths from iron age societies that were trying to explain the world, and there is virtually no chance any one is truth.

    Rationally speaking if there is a just god and an afterlife, you will be judged on how you live your life. Rejecting reason and deluding yourself in blind faith does not help your case.

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4or90cmyhk&w=640&h=360]

    April 15, 2012 at 4:05 am |
  2. Bootyfunk

    is there a stupider person on earth? kirk cameron, moron supreme.

    "Circ.umvent your intelligence."
    - Kirk Cameron

    that quote says it all...

    April 15, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and pre-served in Jesus Christ, [and] called:

      Jude 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be m-ultiplied.

      Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once de-livered unto the saints.

      Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old or-dained to this cond-em-nation, un-godly men, turning the grace of our God into las-civious-ness, and de-nying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

      Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in rem-embrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of E-gypt, afterward de-stroyed them that believed not.

      Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own ha-bitation, he hath reserved in ever-lasting chains under dark-ness unto the judg-ment of the great day.

      Jude 1:7 Even as S-odom and Go-morrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to forn-i-cation, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an ex-ample, suf-fering the ven-g-eance of e-ternal fire.

      Jude 1:8 Lik-ewise also these [fil-thy] dreamers- defile the flesh, de-spise do-minion, and speak evil of di-gnities.

      Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing ac-cusation, but said, The Lord re-buke thee.

      Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know na-turally, as b-rute b-easts, in those things they cor-rupt them-selves.

      Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of C-ain, and ran greedily after the error of B-al-aam for reward, and perished in the gain-saying of C-ore.

      Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of cha-rity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit with-e-reth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

      Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the black-ness of dark-ness for ever.

      Jude 1:14 And E-noch also, the seventh from Adam, prop-hesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord co-meth with ten thousands of his saints,

      Jude 1:15 To ex-ecute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are u-ngod-ly among them of all their un-god-ly deeds which they have un-god-ly com-mitted, and of all their hard [speeches] which un-god-ly sin-ners have spoken against him.

      Jude 1:16 These are mur-murers, com-plainers, walking after their own l-usts; and their mouth speak-eth great swelling [words], having men's persons in a-dmiration because of a-dvantage.

      Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the -apo-stles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

      Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mo-ckers in the last time, who should walk after their own un-god-ly l-usts.

      Jude 1:19 These be they who se-parate themselves, se-nsual, having not the Spirit.

      Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

      Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto e-ternal life.

      Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

      Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

      Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

      Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Sa-viour, [be] glory and majesty, dom-inion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And HS proves the point.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      @HeavenSent, Brilliant. Quote the bible at an atheist. You'd probably get more credibility if you quoted Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Why do religious get the idea that the bible is some kind of viable weapon in a war of reason? I blame "the Exorcist".

      April 15, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • Cq

      "It is not our abilities that show what we truly are. It is our choices." Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. 🙂

      April 16, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
  3. E

    Who among you here believe in Heaven & Hell? Do you believe when we die, it's over, that's it......no afterlife? Or do you believe that there is another world waiting for us, Heaven & Hell? What do you think about Purgatory.....does it exist or does it not exist? For those of you who have posted on here that you do not believe in God, then who or what do you believe in, & who or what has brought you through bad times & tragedies?

    April 15, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • momoya

      There's probably no afterlife.. No heaven or hell.. If there is an afterlife, it might pattern itself after all life whereby you go through a life-cycle–a time of confusion /baby, a time of rapid growth and learning /child, a time of maturation and networking /adult, a time of wearing down and running out /old age..

      But most likely nothing–like before you were born.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:27 am |
    • Johnny Smooth

      Who among you here believe in Heaven & Hell? Do you believe when we die, it's over, that's it......no afterlife? Or do you believe that there is another world waiting for us, Heaven & Hell? What do you think about Purgatory.....does it exist or does it not exist? For those of you who have posted on here that you do not believe in God, then who or what do you believe in, & who or what has brought you through bad times & tragedies?

      It sounds like you are saying that you don't know how to live if you didn't believe that a god existed as this world is so brutal at times. Even if a god existed it sounds absurd to me to trust a god that has put you in a world that is bad enough for you to need to cling to a belief, against all indications, that it has your best interests at heart. Such a being sounds malicious and untrustworthy to me.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • fred

      Given that we have observed millions that have experienced God and all report the same basic experience a gambler would bet the pot that God is the source of our existence. Atheists would be given a 100 to 1 long shot because they have absolutely nothing. They have no idea why we are here yet justify death as either unknown or nothingness for eternity. I would bet against someone with no clue any day of the week.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:39 am |
    • Johnny Smooth

      fred-
      "Given that we have observed millions that have experienced God and all report the same basic experience a gambler would bet the pot that God is the source of our existence. Atheists would be given a 100 to 1 long shot because they have absolutely nothing. They have no idea why we are here yet justify death as either unknown or nothingness for eternity. I would bet against someone with no clue any day of the week."

      Human, eyewitness is notoriously unreliable. That is why the scientific method is needed (and has proven so successful) as a way to correct for eyewitness misperception. The people that I have conversed with that claim to be in contact with an all-knowing being can never tell me the number that I have written on the back of a notepad sitting by my computer, and they make weak excuses as to why they won't take the James Randi challenge. If you are gambling on human eyewitness testimony, you are the one with no clue.

      However as I explained to "E", even if there is a god there is little reason to believe that it has our best interests at heart because it has put us in such a perilous situation of this brutal and dangerous world. In that case, one couldn't expect it to keep any of it's alleged promises and might send believers to hell and non-believers to heaven just to see the look of confusion and betrayal on the faces of believers as they roast in hell.

      April 15, 2012 at 2:06 am |
    • E

      @ Johnny Smooth:
      I believe in God, love Him & trust Him to walk with me & help me , through the bad times in this world.
      Now, back to my question: Do you believe in Heaven & Hell? Do you believe in God? If not, then who & what do you believe in?

      April 15, 2012 at 9:08 am |
    • momoya

      @fred

      God believers around the globe and throughout time have "experienced" vastly different gods and methods of worship.. If there's one thing that god MUST be, for so many religions to prosper, is a horrible communicator..

      No one has ANY IDEA why we are here or what happens when we die.. Just because most god believers use that sloppy diagnosis to explain death and purpose for themselves does not mean that they are in any way correct.. There's ZERO evidence for a god or an afterlife.. The correct response to ZERO evidence is ZERO belief.. Your house isn't built on "shifting sand;" it's built on absolutely nothing.. You haven't the slightest possible reason to believe.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • fred

      momoya
      You have agreed with me. Atheists do not have any proof for their beliefs about why we are here which leads to no clue as to what happens upon death. Nothingness based on no proof whatsoever is far more zaney than faith in a living God that actually does exactly what the Bible says. We have all the proof you want. Jesus says call upon me and I will be faithful to forgive you your sins. That is exactly what happens. I tell you how simply following the words of the Bible gave me a new life and that pattern is consistently repeated in others millions of times every year and you say what kind of proof is that! I can tell you it is at a minimum just a little better than:"we atheists have no proof at all yet we know nothing happens after death and we die like a frog or a dog simple organic matter and chemicals that stop interacting then eternal nothingness where we no longer have any awareness whatsoever". You want be to believe my life and the life of a frog are the same. Sorry, but somebody kissed this frog and turned me into a prince during my lifetime..............you are the one living a fairy tale because I know there is a difference between a frog and man. You claim I cannot prove that well I can just by looking around. Only without a higher purpose for existence can life and death of a frog be the same as a man.
      You are the one that needs to kiss a frog and notice the cold response. Look that frog in eye and say honey we are destined for the same eternal nothingness, believe in me I am an atheist and I just know these things.

      April 15, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Of course there is nothing WHEN you die. There is no "after". Your brain dies and you cease to be. I don't understand this ridiculous notion that people can't seem to get out of their heads. Death is the end. Why are you so afraid?

      April 15, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • fred

      Aguest
      Why assume it is fear that we avoid? I could flip that and say you pretend to be so brave that even death cannot touch you! That is the mark of pride which the serpent brought out in Eve. Your pride trumps fear? I have some bad news for you as atheists I have met on their death beds do not talk about what they look forward to. Christians speak in anticipation of a long awaited reunion with Christ and family.
      It is not avoidance of fear rather anticipation of wonders to come. I cannot imagine the true thoughts of an atheist in the last gasp. The bottom line is still the same. We have various accountings from different sources between 32AD and 175AD regarding the resurrection of Christ. The story of the resurrection does not fit the kind of story one makes up. Men showing themselves as doubting cowards, while the lowly woman is first to see and respond to the resurrection. Men huddled up in a room in fear while women tend for Jesus. 500 witnesses accounted for by Saul of Tarsus in a letter deemed authentic by the vast majority of scholars. Witnesses over a 40 day period who saw the resurrected Christ with thousands persecuted to death by Jews and Romans that wanted to squash the accounting of Christ life and resurrection.
      But, be my Guest and tell me you would rather believe in the nothingness of your belief. Zero proof for your made up story and 25,000 manuscripts attesting to Christ………………..yep every last of them a made up hoax that has dominated our lives for 2,000 years while you have zip ……………………………….A Guest please do not hang your only hope of why we exist on nothing. Something is better than nothing.

      April 15, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
  4. Reality

    Dear Kirk,

    For your eyes only:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request)

    April 14, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Realitynot is proud of being lost.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
  5. Faithful

    I agree with what Cameron says. It is wrong, just like any other sin. But great news!! God has made a way for us to have victory over sin and have a new life. It is only found in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    April 14, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • E

      Amen!

      April 14, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      ew, gross!

      April 15, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • Josh

      Believing in these things is fine, it's when you try to dictate the laws of everyone based on these beliefs is where the problem lies.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:42 am |
    • Faithful

      Josh,
      What if everything in the Bible is true? What if it is? Truth, absolute truth, can only be found in the Word of God, The Bible, whether we recgonize it or not... it still is the truth. I encourage you to pick up a Bible and read it. See, if man is left to himself he will destroy himself. (Read The Lord of the Flies). That is why God has given us rules to obey, because He knows what is best for us. But we have all broken God's laws and gone our own way. We are lost in darkness and on our way to Hell. But, God has provided a way to live a new life and have a new start. It is called having a relationship with Jesus Christ and repenting and believeing on His death and resurrection. God's Word is still true. Wouldn't you hate it if you were wrong? If I had cancer and someone had the cure but no one told me... I would be mad at that person. So that is why I share these things. To tell people the Truth in a darkened world of sin and confusion.

      April 15, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • sam stone

      "Truth, absolute truth, can only be found in the Word of God, The Bible, whether we recgonize it or not.."

      What a pompous statement.

      We can both play that game. Truth, absolute truth, is unattainable in the philosophy of man, whether you recognize it or not

      April 15, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
  6. Welled

    I've noticed that about Christians they are careful in many ways some of them who they work for and what they deal in. Some muslims are like that to. They think. Theyre not always sure why they don't want to be somewhere. Of course many of the athiests and those that are hip to the game get it all. The Christians get not a lot of if they follow it they are apprehensive about where they work in a whole lot of cases. You smart guys out there think you get it all. So maybe that one kind of backfired on you just a little. There is no excuse of ignorance of course. Some of you are to smart for your own good and in really, really deep trouble and you know it to. A lot of you are going to have to pay for the things you went after. The earth deals in debt from things taken from the earth. Those smart guys at the top. They don't die easy but they die really,really good.

    April 14, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Spit it out. It's easy to be a sellout, what's in it for you and only you and who cares who gets hurt as long as that selfish, self absorbed person get what they want, when they want it ... of course at the expense of anyone/everyone else. Stepping back to ponder the righteous decision(s) is what a true Christian will do. Don't be naive, we purposely take the righteous paths through life.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
    • Over It

      HeavenSent: "It's easy to be a sellout, what's in it for you and only you and who cares who gets hurt as long as that selfish, self absorbed person get what they want, when they want it ... of course at the expense of anyone/everyone else."

      Is that how YOU would behave without your supernatural fantasy carrot and stick system? Oh my!

      April 14, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Over it. No matter how many jokes you believe that you are cracking ... bottom line is, you non-believers have no breaks in life. Some days you'll do good (when it suits you) and other days ... evil (when it suits you).

      You don't believe in anything, but, you'll follow satan's lies if there is something in it for you.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ahahhhahhhaha! Oh, sure, HS, and self-aggrandizing "Christians" NEVER do what's expedient or profitable at the expense of what's right, do they?

      You are such a hypocrite.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
  7. Welled

    They did a little mumbo jumbo to try to get around Abraham in that NT. Some people still scratch there heads about that one. Dosen't make complete sense to them. So your being sold a large box of no goods. It's not so much insulting to people like Hebrews they are used to all of this and laugh at it. When you parralel the muslim relgion with the christian one you get some similar stuff yep we admit Jesus bla bla bla. Then your really confused. So basically there was a curse. Then the earth was blessed thru Abraham thats your deal. Dosen't matter I can add in Issac and all the rest. Those are your boys thats for the entire earth. The Hebrews are "Gods" that will never change so is Jerusalem. That is when they are in there out here they are well a lot like other people not really to special. So you got it good has to do with being on the earth enjoy it. Its a lot like Jerusalem in many ways with a lot of goodies. They decided to hack it to pieces and dig it all up. Including Gods gold on a thousand hills. Better be careful who you work for and whos stuff they are dealing in. Id ask. You just may be dealing with people that are stealing something that belongs to someone else.

    April 14, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Wow, I'd love to communicate with you about this post ... off line. The phonies that believe they are Gods, are deluding themselves on earth. It's where they go after they leave this life is the real problem. That's what they get for reading 1/3 of God's truth.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
  8. Welled

    See thats the trick. I'm not a Hebrew but a semite. They know darn full and well the God of the Hebrews by writting could care less about anything out here. All he cares about is his place Jerusalem and the Hebrews when they are in there. So you can worship smoochy the clown its a non sequator with him in religious terms. So you get Jesus in relgious terms. To be absoulutly 100 percent correct religous wise you do. The Hebrews get God. Heres where you go really wrong. Jesus everyone is supposed to bow to him. Remind you of Abraham just a little? He called people servants that jibes to. Gave him all authority. Did the same for Abraham with the peoples of the earth. See. So basically what they did was take it out here and write it up which once again God could care less what you worship even a Jesus with flowers and dimples ressurection with all the trimmings. Its darn clever. Deal is that book of confusion just embelished what was the worlds blessing to being with. You will never be Gods or a Hebrew if you want to be correct religious wise. Its a nice earth with not much of a curse on it after Abraham if you want to be accurate. So Jesus didn't take away any curses. Abraham was given that way way back then handed down.

    April 14, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Welled, you're getting carried away.

      Jesus Christ said,

      John 10:34-36

      34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
      35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
      36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

      Jesus was was quoting from the Old Testament ...

      Psalms 82:6-7

      6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
      7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

      Cross referencing the books in the Bible clarifies many issues.

      Amen.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • Cq

      HeavenSent

      Cherry-picking aside, the full Psalm 82 reads:

      A psalm of Asaph.
      1 God presides in the great assembly;
      he renders judgment among the “gods”:

      2 “How long will you[a] defend the unjust
      and show partiality to the wicked?
      3 Defend the weak and the fatherless;
      uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
      4 Rescue the weak and the needy;
      deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

      5 “The ‘gods’ know nothing, they understand nothing.
      They walk about in darkness;
      all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

      6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
      you are all sons of the Most High.’
      7 But you will die like mere mortals;
      you will fall like every other ruler.”

      8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
      for all the nations are your inheritance.

      These 'gods' are the foreign gods of Israel's neighbors who are subordinate to YHWH, and judged to have not ruled well. Whoever wrote John really quoted out of context. Also a nice reference to the Earth's "foundations", part of the flat earth model held in the Bible.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Leo

      Cq, you seem to "know" the scriptures but you do not understand them. You also speek lies in regards to the flat earth junk you add in..

      The scriptures explain clearly who the gods are within the chapter itself, yet you claim something different.

      6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
      you are all sons of the Most High.’
      7 But you will die like mere mortals;
      you will fall like every other ruler.”

      April 15, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hilarious. Leo is attempting to tell Cq how to "understand" scripture, yet he thinks the word is "speak".

      Thanks for the laugh Leo Limpdick.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Except Leo thinks it's "speek" and his computer is as stupid as he is.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Cq, only non-believers thought the earth to be flat. Those that followed Jesus' truth new of Isaiah 40:22:

      "It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH." How did Isaiah know in 700 B.C. the earth is round?

      Amen.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Excuse the typo ... meant to write knew.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Definition of god(s): Hebrew word 'elohiym (el-o-heem'); plural of OT; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: [usages of the word in the] KJV – angels, exceeding, God (gods)- dess, -ly), (very) great, judges, mighty.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jesus was referring to:

      Exodus 22:28

      28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

      To this day, some politicians and heads of businesses believe themselves to be a god (LOL).

      April 15, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • Cq

      HeavenSent
      A circle (חוג) is flat, like a coin, but the earth is a sphere (דור), dear boy. If they meant sphere they'd of written sphere, right?

      April 16, 2012 at 12:53 am |
    • Cq

      HeavenSent
      Exodus 22:28 says “Do not blaspheme God or curse the ruler of your people."
      Where does this counter what I said? The ruler of our people is the president, but lots of Christians say some very nasty things about him, so I guess they didn't read this passage, eh?

      April 16, 2012 at 12:59 am |
  9. *frank*

    Thank you, Kirk Cameron! You are wise and awesome!
    In my quest for wisdom, I will now seek further sage and edifying maxims from Punky Brewster!

    April 14, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Punky Brewster, eh *frank*? Well, you could do worse. As for me, I think I'd take my chances with PB before i'd even remotely consider following Hitchens & co.

      April 14, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Cq

      Holy Macanoli! 😉

      April 14, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • sam stone

      good for you, b4.....the fact that you dismiss hitchens makes it seem much more credible to me

      April 15, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Make jokes about Cameron all you want for telling you Jesus' truth. Are you going to deny you were told this when you meet Jesus? Jesus won't allow you to back peddle on the left.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • AGuest9

      The guy that lived 2000-ish years ago (if he existed at all) is as dead as my grand father.

      April 15, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
  10. CSX

    Yes Kirk Yes it is a sin, why do you not answer the question? I am disappointed in you. If my son said he was gay I would first cry and then help him to stop this sin that leads to hell.

    April 14, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • JJ

      People like you REALLY scare the hell out of me.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Folks who are deceived by the sins of this world need to look inside themselves for the answer as to why they are so wrapped up with the ways of the world instead of caring about their soul. Hey, at least that's a start.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
    • northern light

      The best way to help your son out is to let him be who he is and stop trying to change him with Voo Doo and magic.

      April 14, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      northern light, you posted "The best way to help your son out is to let him be who he is and stop trying to change him with Voo Doo and magic."

      Answer: Just because you care less about your soul doesn't mean other people have to follow satan's lies that blinded you to Jesus' truth.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
  11. PSALM 14:1

    The fool has said in his heart,
    “There is no God.”
    They are corrupt,
    They have done abominable works,
    There is none who does good....

    April 14, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • Welled

      That was written for Hebrew not Christians if that is even a valid saying a lot of its Garbage. Why Chrisitans and muslims want to be Gods chosen people is beyond me. There is no stake or reward in it for you. I'm sure the God of the Hebrews could care less if you worship a bathtub.

      April 14, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • PSALM 14:1

      It was written for every (hu)man. It exposes what is in human heart! That's why so many people hate it.

      April 14, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Cq

      "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." Adolf Hitler

      April 14, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Keith

      Cq, Hitler was a replacement theology kind of a guy-much like many of the mainstream denominations of today. Replacement theology is setting the stage for the Great Tribulation.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • PSALM 14:1

      "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." Adolf Hitler

      I believe Osama bin Laden said the same thing. Neither one of them KNEW their Creator.
      But now they know whom they followed...... and it was not their Creator, but the enemy of their souls!

      April 14, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • Cq

      Keith
      Hitler invented "Positive Christianity", divorcing Jesus from his Jewish context. Does that sound mainstream, or evangelical to you? If you can't tell, try reading the comments on the CNN Belief article "Jews reclaim Jesus as one of their own"

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/05/jews-reclaim-jesus-as-one-of-their-own/

      April 14, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Leo

      Adolf Hitler was an insane megalomaniac, do you think he was speaking the truth?

      April 14, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Leo

      Charlie Manson thought he was Jesus too! Don't try to pin these guys as some sort of verification for anything.. That is just a failed example.

      April 14, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • Cq

      PSALM 14:1
      Lots of televangelists and disgraced mega-church pastors could have easily said it too. Point is, people can and have justified anything all the time believing they were doing God's work. It's a dangerous mindset, easily abused, right?

      April 14, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • Cq

      Leo
      Think about how many good German Christians thought he was speaking the truth, and elected him democratically.

      April 14, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • sam stone

      PSALM: And those who claim that theirs is the CORRECT god are pompous a$$es.
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Ron0wiJWQ&w=640&h=360]

      April 15, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Leo

      CQ I could not agree with you more with "Think about how many good German Christians thought he was speaking the truth, and elected him democratically."

      Deception is a powerful tool & trick.. Look at our current president for example "He claims to be a Christian" yet he calls the Koran Holy which is nothing less than Blaspheme... Period.

      In fact when the man of lawlessness is revealed, he will start off as a peace lover... for the Book of Daniel says it clearly that by Peace he shall deceive many!!

      April 15, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Cq, stop re-writing history. Not all Germans were Nazis. Most of them were against Hitler.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Eric G

      @HeavenSent: You need to provide references for statement of fact. Hitler was, in fact, a Christian.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Pope Hitler Youth I rings a bell.

      April 15, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • Cq

      HeavenSent
      Not all Germans were Nazis, but the German people knew how Hitler felt about the Jews before they democratically elected him Chancellor. Look it up!

      April 16, 2012 at 12:43 am |
    • Cq

      Leo
      So, what are you suggesting, that we elect only war mongering presidents? Gee, that sure worked out with George W, didn't it?
      And here I thought that Christianity was the religion of peace.

      April 16, 2012 at 12:47 am |
  12. Welled

    I dread the advance of science and I'm not religious. They are the carnage and scourge of the earth. I hate scientists just about as much as government and religion.

    April 14, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Welled, that's why you need to stop focusing on the ways of the world (meaning what man does or doesn't do) and focus on getting closer to Jesus Christ who created all.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • northern light

      "I dread the advance of science and I'm not religious"

      Well...Welled .....We non belivers dread the advancement of stupidity (insert religion if you like) and do everything we can to advaance science and rid the world of religion......there is not enough of the former and far too much of the latter.

      April 14, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      The sad/funny thing is that scientist and engineers are the makers of everything from the slingshot to the intercontintal balistic Nuclear weapons. With the millions killed in the name of Faith and in the name of just folks seeking power over others, the common denominator has always been that someone did create something to kill another.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • Cq

      Mark from Middle River
      And religion is another man-made thing sometimes used to help kill, right?

      April 15, 2012 at 12:44 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tune in northern light, true science proves Jesus' wisdom.

      Amen.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Good. Shut off your computer and unplug it from your cable/DSL modem. Shut off your lights and unplug your refrigerator. Sit there in the dark, because a scientist or an engineer created most everything around you.

      April 15, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, HS won't care. It's sh!t doesn't stink so it won't matter whether the toilet flushes or not.

      Besides, do you really think anyone ever visits HS? I mean, voluntarily?

      April 15, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
  13. rub a dub dub

    If there was a god that put man; yes the same flawed, self serving, greedy one, in charge of speaking on their behalf, then this is truely a foolish god or a least one with a sense of humor. The only truth is what you believe.

    April 14, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • Matteo

      So what youa re saying, when you say the only truth is what you believe, is that if I don't believe something is wrong then it isn't?

      April 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • Matteo

      Whihc means Zimmerman is innocent of all charges as he, I am guessing, didn't beleive it was wrong to shoot.

      April 14, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      rub a dub, you non-believers are conditioned to hate Jesus. Or, do you truly believe that all of you came up with this on your own? LOL.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • AGuest9

      "non-believers are conditioned to hate Jesus"

      That's pretty funny. Why would one hate that which doesn't exist? Can you hate the abominable snowman or the Loch Ness monster? How is one "conditioned to hate Jesus"? Parochial schools use indoctrination methods. Graduating from one, before being liberated (not conditioned) during my years at several universities, I can attest to the beatings and screaming of the nuns. Hate was taught by the nuns. Ironic, isn't it?

      April 15, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
    • Alice

      @HeavenSent
      Jesus, if he really lived, probably wasn't nearly as bad a guy as some of you believers make him out to be. I mean, torturing people for all eternity! Even Hitler probably wouldn't do a thing like that.

      April 16, 2012 at 12:35 am |
  14. J to the H to the C

    "What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith." Thomas Paine – Founding Father

    April 14, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
  15. E

    "Subtle is the Lord, but malicious He is not."
    ---–Albert Einstein
    "God does not play dice with the universe."
    ---–Albert Einstein
    "Blest is he who is not ashamed of me."
    ---–Jesus Christ (New Testament in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John – The Bible)
    "All are welcome at my table".
    ----Jesus Christ (NT in the Gospels of M, M, L & J – The Bible)
    "Love one another".
    -----Jesus Christ (NT in the Gospels of M, M, L & J – The Bible)

    April 14, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
    • Cq

      "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." (Albert Einstein, 1954)

      "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." (Albert Einstein)

      "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" (Jesus, Matthew 10:34)

      April 14, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I can see who got high grades in class for polishing apples for the instructor. Get a life for yourself.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • E

      "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man's enemies will be the members of his own household. Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me. Anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And anyone who does not take his cross & follow me, is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, & whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."-–Matthew10:32-39.
      At first glance, this sounds like a contradiction of Isa.9:6, of Lk.2:14 & of Jn.14:27. It's true Christ came to bring peace. Peace between the believer & God, peace among humans. Yet the inevitable result of Christ coming is conflict. Conflict between Christ & the antichrist, between Christ's children & the children of Satan, between light & darkness. This conflict can occur even between members of the same family.
      "So be not afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight. What is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul & body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don't be afraid. You are worth more than many sparrows."-–Matthew10:26-31.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • HeavenSent

      E, these non-believers haven't a clue what is true and what is false because they've been deceived so long.

      Jesus told us all truths ...

      Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

      Isaiah 5:20

      April 15, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Cq

      HeavenSent

      Jesus said that in Isaiah 5:20?!?

      April 16, 2012 at 12:31 am |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 14, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • Zeus

      Take you meds

      April 14, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • nope

      nope

      April 14, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Christina

      You post that ridiculous comment everywhere on CNN. Action changes things; not prayer.

      April 14, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes tings ,
      Proven

      April 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      A good man prays
      A great man acts on prayer
      Prayer changes things

      April 14, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • Cq

      “If the gods listened to the prayers of men, all humankind would quickly perish since they constantly pray for many evils to befall one another” Epicurus (Greek philosopher, BC 341-270)

      Lots of Christians still hope their critics go to hell, so it's the same sentiment.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Cq, that's not true. I was left as roadkill in my professional and personal life and I pray for those that trespassed against me that they find Jesus before they take their last breath.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      YOu were left like road-kill because your personality was crummy and your co-workers disliked you, as did your supervisors. YOu are a complete narcissist who created ill-will in your workplace and that's why they fired you, you blind moron.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • Cq

      HeavenSent
      Did they "trespass against you", or were you busy trying to proselytize everyone like you try here, and they just get tired of it? I don't discuss religion at work because it's a distraction from what I'm paid to do. If this wasn't the cause of your demise then what was?

      April 15, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!!. . ..

      April 16, 2012 at 11:55 am |
  17. JC

    "Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." Benjamin Franklin – Founding Father

    April 14, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
  18. RobinC

    all the name calling and nastiness just proves my point....

    April 14, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Hitchens

      Why do you say that you wally eyed ,snaggle toothed, mealy mouthed, gas spewing windbag ?

      April 14, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
  19. JHC

    "They [preachers] dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live." Thomas Jefferson on religious fanatics and science.

    April 14, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • mikstov33

      See, I don't understand the science vs. religion debate.After all, the Almighty is the first inventor,utilizing both chemistry and physics to create his invention, which is the universe and all that it contains. Including dinosaurs, ice ages,volcanoes,etc. etc.

      April 14, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • Cq

      There's nothing in science that suggests the universe was "invented" by anybody.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
    • Leo

      The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books—-a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. (Albert Einstein)

      April 14, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • Leo

      The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection. (Albert Einstein)

      April 14, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      JHC, true science and Jesus' wisdom are in perfect harmony. Always were, always will be. This baloney you folks believe that Christians hate science makes you the delusional ones.

      April 14, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Cq

      "Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being."

      "It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

      "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."

      Albert Einstein

      April 15, 2012 at 12:34 am |
    • Cq

      "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

      "For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superst.itions."

      "It was the experience of mystery - even if mixed with fear - that engendered religion."

      "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own - a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."

      "One strength of the Communist system ... is that it has some of the characteristics of a religion and inspires the emotions of a religion."

      "I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."

      "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

      Albert Einstein

      April 15, 2012 at 12:36 am |
  20. JHC

    "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose." Thomas Jefferson advocating the separation of Church and State.

    April 14, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      So, Thomas Jefferson *was* a believer after all – thanks, JHC!

      April 14, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Thomas Jefferson advocating the separation of Church and State."

      Thomas Jefferson could not even advocate the separation between himself and his wife's half sister and slave mistress Sally Hemming.

      April 14, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
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