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With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist
Kirk Cameron released a documentary in theatres on Friday titled "Monumental."
April 13th, 2012
05:02 PM ET

With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– Kirk Cameron could have joined the ranks of former TV heartthrobs who rode off into the sunset, reappearing only for the occasional reunion show or career-reviving role in a TV drama. Think Ricky Schroder or Scott Baio.

But Cameron, known to millions of Americans as Mike Seaver on the hit ‘80s-era show “Growing Pains,” is carving out a new niche for himself, as an unlikely voice of politically conservative American evangelicals.

Cameron has a new documentary on the faith of America’s founders that arrives in theaters on Friday. He is neither a historian nor theologian, but the film, “Monumental,” shows him consumed with Christianity - and with rage over what he says has been the systematic removal of religion’s role from American history.

The film opens with Cameron sitting on an Adirondack chair in his backyard. Looking straight and silently into the camera, a voice-over of his own voice alerts viewers that the world around him is going to hell.

“There is something seriously sick in the soul of our country,” the voice-over says.

“Don’t worry about the fact the world is going to hell in a hand basket - just get out of the hand basket,” his friends tell him. But Cameron explains that he refuses to listen and instead sets out to make “Monumental: In Search of America’s National Treasure,” which investigates the debate over America’s soul.

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Over the last decade, Cameron has become the wholesome, boyish face of Christian cinema. He starred in “Left Behind,” the low-budget film based on the wildly popular Christian book series.

More recently, he played the lead role in “Fireproof,” a breakout film that shocked the Hollywood establishment when it debuted in the top 10 in its first week and wound up taking in an estimated $33 million. The film was made by Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia, for just over $500,000.

Cameron was one of the only professional actors in the film; the rest were congregants from the church.

Along with such popular movies as Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ,” ”Fireproof” showed the potential for a new market in explicitly Christian films. In the last two years, crossover movies like “Soul Surfer” and “Courageous” have had parallel advertising campaigns targeting churches.

The movement has propelled Cameron back into the spotlight.

“Monumental” is Cameron’s baby. He is its executive producer and its star.

“When I survey the landscape and turn on the news, all signs are saying panic,” Cameron recently said.

“Instead of listening to everyone play the blame game … maybe the best place to look for solutions was to talk to the men and women who built this country 400 years ago and laid the foundations that resulted in a nation that has experienced more blessing and prosperity and strength than any other nation in the world,” he said.

“That launched me on this journey to retrace the Pilgrims and find the sacred sauce.”

In the film, Cameron retraces the Pilgrims’ steps from England to Holland to the New World. He talked to scholars and historians, digging in on the faith of the Founding Fathers.

What he found, he said, is a forgotten historical narrative not taught in schools.

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Those first principles, as Cameron sees them, are spelled out in a scene depicting a large stone monument near Massachusetts’ Plymouth Rock, the spot memorialized as the place the Pilgrims landed.

“Faith in God … produces character, character will produce courage, courage to face the challenges of the day,” Cameron says in the movie, riffing off the Pilgrims’ story.

Cameron teamed with NCM Fathom, a company that streams live events to movie theaters nationwide, like live performances of the Metropolitan Opera and boxing matches, to offer a sneak peek at the film a couple of weekends ago. That debut was emceed by Cameron, featured live performances by Christian bands and was beamed out live on more than 600 screens, grossing $1.23 million, according to NCM and Cameron's publicist.

Kirk Cameron stares at an inscription at the Jefferson Memorial in Washington.

The new documentary has faced criticism for its inclusion of self-taught evangelical Christian historian David Barton.

A favorite among evangelicals for his Christian-centric views of the Founding Fathers and his vast collection of historical documents, Barton is heavily featured in the film.

“The reason I went to go see David Barton is because he owns the largest collection of original source documents from the founding era that I can get my hands on and that you can go and see,” Cameron said.

“When you look at those documents it becomes incredibly clear there has been a lot of cherry picking of the evidence done to support a very particular worldview, and that’s the worldview our children are learning in school and it’s not the full and complete historical record because it doesn’t reflect the faith of our Founding Fathers,” the actor said.

In a version of the film made available for screening and in clips posted online, Barton shows Cameron the “Thompson Hot Press Bible,” which Barton said was printed in 1798 and was funded by 12 signers of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, including John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

“They wanted the word of God out to every family,” Barton says in the clip. “If these guys happen to be Christians it makes a lot of sense.”

Barton then picks up a small rare Bible known as the “Aitken Bible.” “The Bible of the Revolution was printed by the Congress of the United States. So Congress printed the first English Language version of the Bible,” Barton said. He goes on to say the Congress said, “This was a neat edition of the Bible for use in our schools.”

Warren Throckmorton, an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College, a private Christian school in Pennsylvania, has criticized Barton’s version of history and Cameron’s films.

About much of the history featured in the film, Throckmorton said, “That’s just not what happened.”

After seeing clips of the documentary, Throckmorton fact-checked some parts.

He said he found that the “Thompson Hot Press Bible” was not funded in total by 12 Founders. Instead, he said, the Bible was funded by a subscription base of 1,200 customers that included 12 Founding Fathers. “The printers funded that Bible, the Founders didn’t fund it. It was a business venture for them.”

As for the quote Barton attributed to Congress about putting the Bible in schools, it actually came from Robert Aitken’s petition to Congress. Aitken was a colonial printer. The Journals of Congress from 1782 shows Aitken completed the Bible on his own and sought the blessing of Congress.

The record shows a report from two congressional chaplains who examined the work, which they praised.

Congress passed a resolution to recommend “this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States and hereby authorize him to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.” That resolution did not mention it being put in schools.

“David Barton gets the facts wrong when it comes to these two Bibles,” Throckmorton said. “The facts of the case are stretched and embellished to create a narrative that is misleading.”

Cameron defended Barton’s work. “No one is more guilty of cherry picking evidence than those who bow to the god of political correctness, especially historians,” Cameron said. “Everyone is going to select the information that is important to their thesis. If you’re bent on being politically correct, it’s very easy to fall into that trap.”

Throckmorton noted that he and other critics of Barton’s work hail from Christian colleges and universities.

Early controversy surrounding Cameron's comments on social issues have given the film more media coverage than Cameron could have imagined for a small-budget documentary.

Appearing on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight last month, Cameron fielded questions about abortion, gay marriage and what he would do if one of his six children came out to him as gay.

None of the topics appear in the film, but Cameron expressed views on same-sex marriage, abortion and homosexuality that are common among conservative evangelical Christians.

Cameron called homosexuality “unnatural,” adding, “I think that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."

His comments sparked outrage from gay rights groups like GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. The group led a campaign to counter Cameron’s comments with other 1980s TV stars and evangelicals on the other side of the theological spectrum.

GLAAD spotlighted a bevy of celebrities who chided Cameron for his positions on homosexuality, including a tweet from Rosanne Barr, who suggested Cameron was “an accomplice to murder with his hate speech.”

Cameron said his support for traditional marriage is rooted in faith and thinks it should inform policy decisions: “You either believe marriage and human sexuality are sacred or you do not.”

Cameron jokingly described his faith as “high octane” but said he considers himself part of the evangelical Christian tradition. He said he goes to a small nondenominational community church near his home in California, though his publicist later clarified that he is not a member of the church, whose name he would not disclose because of privacy and security concerns.

Cameron said he was caught off guard by the controversy around his comments.

“It is my goal to love everyone. I hate no one,” he said. “Regardless of their race, religion, their proclivities, the desire of their heart and how they want to live their life and the decisions that they make. I can even respect people’s decisions and lifestyle choices just as I hope they have the courtesy to respect my decisions and my choices.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church and state • Religious liberty

soundoff (2,339 Responses)
  1. reason

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32YwttEzck8&w=640&h=360]

    April 15, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • Jesus Loves You

      Very funny!

      April 15, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • VanHagar

      Neil Patrick Harris–LOL

      April 15, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      Brilliant. I miss Charles in Charge now.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
  2. Jesus Loves You

    If you want to be burning in a lake a fire and acid like Gandhi is right now, ignore Christianity and just live life being a good person. God will punish you accordingly.

    If you want to be sipping margaritas pool-side with Jesus like Hitler is right now, become a Christian. God will reward you accordingly.

    April 15, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • just sayin

      Hitler was an atheist. God bless

      April 15, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • reason

      Hitler was Catholic.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • Maya

      Hitler was not an atheist. Isn't lying supposed to be a sin in your religion? I think you have an apology to make.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Eric G

      Not only was Hitler Catholic, he was never excommunicated from the RCC. Only one Nazi ever was.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      Scary! A lake of fire AND acid. This is great how people ad lib to the original story. Ironically, @Jesus Loves You (by condemning you to be tortured for eternity if you don't say the magic words,) most atheists find the idea of burning for eternity preferable to the condemnation of being surrounded by people like you for eternity.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • 1word

      Do you have children? Your parents didn't punish you when you did something wrong? God is our Father, he created us and he is allowing us to make choices for ourselves. It's your choice that will cause you to burn, so make the right one and you'll be loved by your Father. It's funny how you guys deny the spirit that created you. I bet you never doubted your great great great grandfather existed.

      April 15, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • Alice

      Maya
      If you think this is lying, you should hear the creationists. 🙂

      April 15, 2012 at 11:45 pm |
    • Cq

      1word
      Assuming that you aren't a kid anymore, does your dad still punish you? Time to grow up and become an adult.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
    • Cq

      Ashrakay
      Wait a few years and they'll electrify the lake too, and throw in Ebola, a black hole, and the Loch Ness Monster to boot. Like everything about Christianity the tall tales just keep getting bigger and bigger.

      "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." Adolf Hitler

      April 15, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Hitler wasw an atheist

      So as Stalin, Pot and Mao.

      April 16, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • Cq

      Hitler wasn't an atheist; he goes on and on about how he thought he was doing God's work. He probably really did think he was. Lots of really evil things have been done throughout history by people who thought they were doing God's work. The other guys, Stalin, Pot and Mao, just didn't like organized religion because it swayed people's loyalty against their totalitarian regimes. Plenty of the "relationship with Jesus" types who like to say that Christianity isn't a religion share this with these guys.

      April 16, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Communist leaders like Pol Pot and Stalin would not have been charismatic enough to gain converts had they not learned the discourse of dogmatic persuasion from religious inst/itutions.
      Pol Pot spent 8 years at a Catholic school in Phnom Penh and Stalin 5 years at a Russian orthodox seminary. Historians have noted their speaking and writing styles ape those of the Church in being 'declamatory and repet.itive, with liturgical overtones”.
      While they both sought to eliminate traditional religions from their kingdoms, they did so in order to divert the common man’s fervour to their own cults of personality.
      As Karl Marx himself noted “Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation...”
      Hitler’s Third Reich, on the other hand, was no friend to atheists and encouraged religion in Germany. Having been exposed to religious methods of persuasion in school at a Benedictine cloister, Hitler recognized religion’s power to keep the people compliant.
      Instead of purging faith like the Communist regimes, he purged atheism:
      "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".
      The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942
      While Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot put themselves into the Godhead position, Hitler publically professed his Christianity until his dying day and used Christian arguments to whip his people into a frenzy. This is why Nazi uniform belt buckles were emblazoned with the slogan “Gott mit uns” (God is with us).
      Each of these leaders wielded their people’s predilection for faith like a weapon. Atheism is not the prime cause for these tragic regimes – the misdirection of faith is.
      Like religion, they demanded blind obedience and obsequious submission from their followers. They tolerated no free-thinkers and enforced dogmatism – a trick they learned from their religious educations.

      April 17, 2012 at 7:59 am |
  3. 1word

    Kirk was an atheist. So all isn't lost, If you listen to some of these unbelievers talk you would think they have no hope.

    April 15, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • Eric G

      Kirk was an atheist, but he was weak in math and science. Birds of a feather........

      April 15, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Ashrakay

      I can tell you don't know many atheists. The ones I know are full of hope. We hope daily that people will turn from their delusions and embrace the light of reality. In spite of the many disappointments we face, we still have hope for those who are lost or enslaved by their fantasies.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I have hope that you'll grow a fucking brain, 1word. It's a faint hope, since I doubt you have the capacity to get an education, but it's a hope nonetheless.

      Fail, doofus.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, your parents wasted their money on your so-called education.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • 1word

      There's hope for the lost! I pray that these lost souls find themselves before it's too late. Lord, I thank you for giving your life on the cross for these lost souls, even when people thought you were weak you were strong but laying your life down for a bunch of idiots.

      April 15, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • Cq

      1word
      "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”" Matthew 27:46

      Sounds like a moment of weakness to me, especially coming from someone who was supposedly God himself sent to earth to die on the cross and should have known this was coming.

      April 16, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • sam stone

      1word: still on your knees begging for forgiveness? looking forward to eternity that way? take kneepads and breath mints

      April 16, 2012 at 1:47 am |
    • Cq

      Yes, maybe he'll return to atheism, but I somewhat doubt it. His whole career rests on his being a Christian, and there isn't much money to be squeezed out of the atheist community.

      April 16, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
  4. Josh

    Kirk-Thanks for taking us back to the roots ; a much needed insight into what shaped our nation and made it great!
    Well done!!!

    🙂

    April 15, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • George

      Dear Kirk-You should get this documentary aired in schools and colleges

      April 15, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • sam stone

      While we are at it, lets bring back slavery and unequal voting rights

      April 16, 2012 at 1:48 am |
    • sam stone

      yeah, kirk, get it aired at schools and colleges. the sooner people see your bigotry, the more it is exposed

      April 16, 2012 at 1:51 am |
  5. jimtanker

    1turd,

    What is your malfunction? Did your momma not give you enough attention when you were child?

    April 15, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
  6. jimtanker

    I you haven't seen it you absolutely have to take the time to watch the video "Child Celebrities Opposing Kirk Cameron". So awesome.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/04/kirk-cameron-hit-by-former-child-stars-on-gay-comments/

    April 15, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Actually it's from Funny or Die but I cant get the link up from here.

      April 15, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Scheer

      Child celebrities? Who cares what they think? They're all lucky to be alive. Give me a break. Another 5 minutes of fame for losers.

      April 15, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Gotta watch it to understand. Too funny.

      April 15, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jim, what is so awesome that some folks won't be spending eternity with Jesus? Stop hyping every sin as a gay issue so you can bash Jesus. Why not push the agenda of why some folks are obsessed with the ways of the world which rejects Jesus' truth and you'll be on the righteous path. Other than that answer, you're helping send souls to the eternal flames.

      April 15, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Heaven Scent,

      It is really sad that so many people, you included have to waste your whole life worrying about an afterlife that most likely wont come. There is no evidence for your belief system or your whole world view. NONE. Just life your life as a good person and enjoy it.

      Why do you have to put down other people that have other views just because some old and moldy book says so. That book was written by sheep herders for sheep herders thousands of years ago. It has no bearing on todays world. NONE.

      LIve a good live, be happy and let other people be happy. This is the only life you get. Lighten up.

      April 15, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jim, I have to write this. You, and your non-believing friends aren't the sharpest blades in the drawer. Why? Because all of you are so busy bashing Jesus' truth, you haven't the foggiest clue to what His truth has done for humanity. You neither care to weigh out the pros and cons of any issue because it isn't going your way. Debates on this blog is a joke because of the hidden gay agenda behind everything. My point is that believing a person to be gay is just another sin of the multiple sins of the ways of this world. Yes, salvation is on every Christians mind. If it weren't, this world wouldn't exist. I know this is too difficult for your mind to fathom since you're at the age were you believe you'll be young and energetic throughout your life.

      April 15, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HS, prove this world "wouldn't exist" if there were no God.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Many Christians have spoken His truth how He created all. Just because you are consumed with the sins of this world, doesn't mean you can automatically hear/read/believe/see His truth. You're too wrapped up in satan's evil to comprehend Jesus' truth.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yeah, I knew you couldn't back up your claims. Thanks for playing.

      April 16, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • Cq

      HeavenSent
      If your whole redemption via Christ idea all hinges on us nonbelievers having to be evil then you know that it utterly fails, right? Come on, stick to the standard line that atheists can be good people, yet are still doomed to hell for not accepting Jesus as Christ, and at least some believers, the ones without any sense of compassion or justice, will buy it.

      April 16, 2012 at 12:13 am |
  7. waitasec

    religion is just another justification for good or bad behavior...

    it can be dangerous because it holds divine validity to the delusional mind...

    witch hunts and 9/11 come to mind.

    April 15, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • 1word

      I get it, the majority of Gays are Atheist. Their mind is so jacked up they want to reject God because God doesn't condone their actions. Listen up guys and gals, God hates all kinds of sinners it's not just the Gay folks he hates. Although he does hate you he still Love you enough to die for you.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • sam stone

      1word: the majority of gays are atheist? do you have some data on that, or are you just bloviating your bigotry?

      April 15, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Although he does hate you he still Love you enough to die for you."

      Huh?

      April 15, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • sam stone

      1word: and you actually want to spend eternity with this being?

      April 15, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • sam stone

      1word: i don't think people are "rejecting god" as much as they are rejecting that god is accuratly represented in translated iron age hearsay. but, if you want to play the persecution game, have at it.

      April 15, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      waitasec, if you seriously read the Bible without the assistance of others that haven't a clue to His righteous teachings, you'd know what you were talking about. How easy to sit on the fence and not learn His truth on your own.

      April 15, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
  8. 1word

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSkevuXhtAA&w=640&h=360]

    Kirk was actually an Atheist so these guys have HOPE! THANK YOU LORD!

    April 15, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Lilith

      yeah, they always "claim" to have been an Athiest to make a point. Most people don't even know what it means to be Atheist. Kirk also wants to know where the Croc-o-duck is lol. Anyone who was an actual Athiest (not agnostic) would never use a crocoduck argument and would not "become" a believer.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • 1word

      I have no reason to believe Kirk is a liar, especially after becoming Born Again. We aren't suppose to lie, God hates liars.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Kirk was never an Atheist for the right reasons. No Atheist would be so weak minded to become born again.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      And yes he is a liar!! His stance on gays proves that point!!

      April 15, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • momoya

      @1word

      Kirk really believes that he was an atheist, but like most christians who make that claim, he really wasn't–as is clear by the arguments he uses currently.. If you were to ask Kirk the right questions, within only two or three he would realize that he was never an atheist, but merely had 'weak faith' for a time within his belief.

      April 15, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Actually, TruthPrevails, you atheists are the weak minded. It takes courage and focus to live a Christian life. There are no special skills to live a life of a putz, just stay lazy.

      April 15, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • rsquared

      @1word God does not hate anyone. God hates sin since it separates man from God.
      -A Conservative Evangelical Christian

      April 15, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • Alice

      1word
      If God hates liars then creationists are in BIG trouble! 🙂

      April 16, 2012 at 9:39 am |
  9. EndTheHate

    Can anyone give a specific example of how gay marriage harms America or straight marriage in any way?

    Please only rational, factual and logical responses.

    April 15, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • 1word

      Can to men have children? Can a woman get another woman pregnant? Is it natural? There you have your answer!

      April 15, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So a hetero couple who can't have children or choose not to shouldn't be permitted to marry? A woman who is past menopause and can't have kids shouldn't be able to marry?

      You are an idiot. Gays aren't sterile. They can and do have children just like many hetero couples, via IVF, donors, etc.

      Hey, Jaxman, how do you view the intelligence of 1word?

      April 15, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • waitasec

      no.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Since when is the ability of a couple to reproduce a requirement for any marriage?

      April 15, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • sam stone

      1word: gosh, that is a dumb comparison. infertile people can marry, as can those past child bearing age.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • sam stone

      1word: also, you did not answer the question. how does gay marriage harm society? gosh, at least do a better job hiding our bigotry

      April 15, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • sam stone

      our = your

      April 15, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • 1word

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son
      I said it's not natural for a man to be with a man or a woman to be with a woman. The devil is working in those individuals, he's fooling them into believing their something they are not. If you have a weak mind, the devil can cause you to forget who you are.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      So 1word's belief is correct in their small mind? Sadly 1word has probably never read any of the scientific studies done on this that proves being gay is natural and like most christards accepts a that a 2000 year old book that has never been updated holds all the answers. 1Word is bigot!

      1Word: What would you do if a child of yours said they were gay?

      April 15, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • 1word

      TruthPrevails 🙂
      How am I a bigot, have I said anything on the lines of lets get rid of all the Gay folks? I love everyone, I have no hate in my heart for any man. I just tell it like it is, Being GAY IS A CHOICE. Just like you got up this morning and chose to brush your teeth or NOT it was a Choice. We chose to give our life to God and he repayed us by giving us his Holy Spirit to help us make good choices.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • sam stone

      "I said it's not natural for a man to be with a man or a woman to be with a woman."

      By what authority do you claim to know what is natural? Perhaps it is natural to those who engage in it.

      "The devil is...fooling them into believing their something they are not."

      Like he has you thinking you have a rational argument?

      "If you have a weak mind, the devil can cause you to forget who you are."

      Well, if there is one person here who is qualified to speak about a weak mind.....

      April 15, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • sam stone

      "How am I a bigot, have I said anything on the lines of lets get rid of all the Gay folks?"

      No, but you want to deny them the same CIVIL RIGHTS as straight people. So, you feel they are lesser than you.

      using caps to spout off that being gay is a choice does not make it so.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • 1word

      sam stone
      I'm going to continue praying for you, eventually you will stop participating in these demonic acts. It's not Gods intent for a man to be with another man, or a woman to be with another woman. If it's natural why hide?

      April 15, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • sam stone

      also, 1word, you cannot "get rid of all the gay folks", becuase straight people keep on making them

      April 15, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • sam stone

      "I'm going to continue praying for you, eventually you will stop participating in these demonic acts"

      You truly are an imbecile. I am a straight, middle aged man in a long term, loving relationship with a woman. The fact that I am willing to call out bigotry against gays does not mean I am gay any more than calling out bigotry against blacks makes me black. My gosh, is this the best argument you have?

      "It's not Gods intent for a man to be with another man, or a woman to be with another woman."

      By what measure do you purport to know "god's intent"?

      "If it's natural why hide?"

      To avoid bigots like you.

      April 15, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I can if you dare to hear the truth. If it weren't for Jesus' righteous teachings, you wouldn't have surrogate mom's giving birth for gay couples to adopt. Most people would stay their selfish, self centered ways, never to care or think about helping a gay couple (or any childless couple) out so adoption could be possible. Without Jesus' truth being passed down from generation to generation, parents wouldn't care about their children, hence, leaving them to their demise. Without children, there is no future. Hence, if you gather where I'm going with this ... humanity would have been wiped out long ago without Jesus' wisdom being passed down from generation to generation to survive.

      So stop bashing Jesus for what you refuse to see.

      April 15, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Get Real

      HeavenSent: "Without Jesus' truth being passed down from generation to generation, parents wouldn't care about their children, hence, leaving them to their demise."

      –All sorts of animals take extremely good care of their young, generation after generation - without a belief in Jesus.

      –Many other creatures don't participate at all with their young after they lay their eggs or otherwise reproduce - and they survive generation, after generation, after generation - without a belief in Jesus.

      April 15, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • tallulah13

      1word:

      There is more evidence that ho.mos.exuality is innate than there is evidence of the existence of any of the thousands of gods worshiped by humans throughout history. There is no evidence at all that your god, your devil, your heaven or your hell actually exists. The argument might be made that being religious is the truly unnatural lifestyle.

      April 15, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Matteo

      The burden of proof does not lie with the side opposing change. The burden lies with the side promoting change. It is your side the favors same s..e..x marriage. You msut prove how it benefits society. Using the same standards you demend.

      It is something like the mistakes made in the abortion issue. At the time that decision was handed down privacy was the central issue when it actually should have been when does life begin. Since abortion had been illegal the burden to prove that life did not beign at conception was on the side of those in favor of abortion. Up until that time aborting a baby had been murder and a violation of that childs rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

      April 15, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • EndTheHate

      5+ hours later still waiting...

      April 15, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      1word=1brain cell: It's not "natural"? How do you come to that conclusion, when same gender attraction occurs in species throughout nature? It might not be "natural" for you, but then, you're a stupid git, and that's not natural for me.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Lol

      "The burden of proof does not lie with the side opposing change. The burden lies with the side promoting change."
      Lol, wrong.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Get Real, Jesus created all. That includes the animals of this world. Or, do you (LOL) believe your scientists created animals.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Matteo

      LOL

      Wrong because? Because you say so? Actually logic tells you, but I am never going to say our legal system is logical, those advocating change have the burden.

      April 15, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
  10. HeavenSent

    HeavenSent us earthquakes, tornados, tsunamis, and other disasters plus cancers, malaria, typhoid and other diseases too numerous to mention that have caused death and suffering to millions of innocent children.

    Wow, god must be quite the azzhole.

    April 15, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • Atheistic reality is healthy for children and all living things

      Nice try at diversion JS.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • 1word

      HeavenSent, you need help. Gods thoughts are above our thoughts. Yes there are things in this World that cause a loss of life, but can you image this world without death? We would have people stacked upon people, God is righteous and everything he does can't be understood by your carnal mind. Just put your trust in him and you'll see the Glory of God!

      April 15, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Lilith

      1word .. HeavenSent's post is NOT real. He is simply trying to divert (not very subtly) from the fact that he has been found out to be the one carpet bombing us with the spam posts of "prayer changes things" ... btw he is also Just Sayin. Everyone has a right to their opinion but this spamming of repeated postings is just annoying.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Jimtanker

      I'd like to do good things but I just can't, my shoelaces are bound together and I can't untie them

      April 15, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • sam stone

      1word: god's thoughts are above our thoughts? seem there are lots of people saying they know what god likes or dislikes. which is it? which is it?

      April 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Any time Christians are getting to the truth of an issue, the non-believer steals our handles to spin the context of the subject. Hence, truth gets buried by the lying non-believers except truth always rises. Truth may be diverted for a while, but, it wins out over lies all the time.

      As for Lilith, I'm not the poster of prayer changes things ... even though I know it to be true. As a matter of fact, I'm so tired of non-believers nonsense conversations that go no where, I hardly write on this blog anymore, with the exception of popping in once in a while.

      April 15, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • Lilith

      HeavenSent .. The part where you claim the stealing of your handle and spinning context just gave you away lol. No one stole your handle on this post .. just sayin' 😉

      April 15, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Whine on, HS. You and your ilk do exactly the same thing.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • just sayin

      The real joke is that the self proclaimed "intelligent" can't tell the difference between one person and another. God bless

      April 15, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Neither you nor HS is a person, troll.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
  11. Geraard Spergen

    The Flying Spaghetti Monster has prophesized that this film will flop worse than Expelled.

    April 15, 2012 at 11:00 am |
  12. 1word

    Seek the Truth.

    John 14:6

    King James Version (KJV)

    6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    April 15, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • Lilith

      Aahh .. circular logic. The bible is true because it says it's true. That's a classic.

      April 15, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • 1word

      Lilith
      It's true because God said it's true, it's also true because I have seen God! We testify of the things we have seen, but you don't receive our testimony because God is not in you!

      April 15, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Lilith

      Circular logic followed up by false witness coated in asumption with a sprinkling of self reinforcing delusion. Your statement speaks volumes!

      April 15, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • sam stone

      wow....quotations from a book. you don't get any more convincing than that

      April 15, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • sam stone

      1word: delusional

      April 15, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Jaxman

      Lilith and Sam, I am very impressed. You are quite the scholars and intellects to mock someone for their beliefs. I assume you can DISPROVE what he or she believes? Oh, that's right. You are left liberals from the Al Gore school of "I know everything". You do understand that when you can neither prove nor disprove something, NO ONE is correct? You two would be king and queen if we lived in a bubble. Take yourself back to academia where you belong. Oh, and I don't practice religion. But I do respect those that do.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So do I, as long as they don't attempt to dictate how others should live their lives.

      Know any? I do, and they're nothing like the jerks on this board who think they know EXACTLY what God meant.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Jax, anyone who went to a decent high school would know that one can't prove a negative. I'm sorry you were deprived of an education.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Lilith

      Jaxman, you claim to "respect" but don't seem to respect my opinion. To claim someone you don't know as liberal is absurd & invalidates your credibility. Prove I'm a liberal LOL. To claim something is legitimate simply because you can't "disprove" it is kind of funny. It's about probability .. and it is not probable there is a God any more that there is a Stegasaurus orbiting Pluto .. except that Stegs and Pluto have been proven to exist (more probable) .. but neither scanario is "probable". Get it?

      April 15, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Jaxman

      @Tom,
      Please, continue to insult me. Again, I love people like you who think they are SOOO smarter and more educated than others. Please, post your credentials. I have no PHD, though I do have a Master's degree. Pretty high IQ, too. Educated and intelligent enough to know that you CAN prove a negative. Ever hear of the law of non-contradiction. What was that about my high school again? Tool.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Sooooooo smarter". Yeah.

      The only 'tool' here is you. And you're proving it more soundly with every post.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • Jaxman

      Lilith, if your first notion is to insult someone, I can't hear anything you say after that. If someone, God forbid, misspeaks, do you ridicule that? So you deem circular logic, so what? That is one tiny point about which they speak. So, you pick the weakest part and attack? BTW, you totally lost me on the "probability" of God.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Jaxxy, if you don't like what you read here, why stay? There are plenty of other things to do. Why hang around if you're so disgusted. No one's holding a gun to your head.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Jax: BTW, you totally lost me on the "probability" of God.

      I imagine you are lost a lot.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Here you go, Jax. This is a post from 1word about how gay marriage "harms" anyone:

      1word:
      Can to men have children? Can a woman get another woman pregnant? Is it natural? There you have your answer!

      ---–

      Yes, I can certainly see that the religious zealots are just as smart and well-educated as those who don't believe.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Lilith

      Jaxman, there is no insult in my post. The insult you claim is created by you, I stand by my post as honest and real. BTW probability means likelyhood, is it likely that a God(s) exist? ... no reason to think they do. My example of a Steg & Pluto was to show what unlikely is and an anthropomorphized God(s) is even more absurd than that.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • Alice

      Why would everyone want to come to this "Father"? I, for one, already have a good father. Maybe you guys have a daddy issue?

      April 15, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Lilith, you posted "Aahh .. circular logic. The bible is true because it says it's true. That's a classic."

      Answer: The "classic" is that all you non-believers are conditioned by other non-believers to accept their view as your own. None of you non-believers ever read Jesus' truth on your own but answer the same as if you did.

      Get a life. Pick up His truth while leaving your judgmental mindset on the shelf and see His truth hit you between the eyes. Other than that, stay lost now and for eternity. You hold your fate in your own hands ... and none of your non-believing peers will be with you on judgement day.

      April 15, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      What's the matter Tommie, Tom? Are you going to argue against science too? Science agrees with Jesus. Sperm plus sperm does not become fruitful and multiply. Neither does egg(s) plus egg(s).

      I suppose you believe that song, in the year 2525, if man is still alive, we'll pick our sons, daughters too, from the bottom of a long glass tube ... whoooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

      April 15, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, please. Could you be more obvious, troll?

      Ignoring the fact that you aren't the real HS, who cares if we DO incubate children in vitro? So what? If you believe that science works hand in hand with God, as you claim, what's the problem?

      April 15, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
  13. portland tony

    Why shouldn't a man be allowed to follow his destiny without being ostracized for it?

    April 15, 2012 at 10:27 am |
  14. Steve

    Religion cannot be held to any written word or book. It is abstract and personal by nature not designed but alive unknown to itself.

    April 15, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • HeavenSent

      New age baloney being tossed in the wheels of life.

      April 15, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
  15. Godfrey

    I am continuously embarrassed for this man.

    April 15, 2012 at 10:13 am |
  16. Flooby

    Cameron is the biggest brownhole licker there is. Don't let the 'religion' fool you.

    April 15, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • Lilith

      Why would that fool us?! It's more of a clue.

      April 15, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • HeavenSent

      How can he be a brown noser? He doesn't follow the ways of the world. He follows Jesus. It's you non-believers that kiss up to other men/women of the world because you are blinded by the sins of this world.

      Just because you want to insult him for being courageous, doesn't mean your insults make sense. Actually, I don't believe any of your debates make sense since you are on the side of "LIES".

      April 15, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • Cq

      HeavenSent
      He was a failed actor who found a niche for himself in Christian media. He just traded jumping through hoops and brown nosing Hollywood types for Christian big wigs. Same act, different stage.

      April 16, 2012 at 12:20 am |
  17. Welled

    The reason I sold out your country to the Banking and Finance people was they gave me a new horse and a gun. Thomas Jefferson

    April 15, 2012 at 9:22 am |
  18. Bootyfunk

    kirk cameron could very well be the stupidest person on earth.

    April 15, 2012 at 7:28 am |
    • An inconvenient truth

      It appears you are well ahead of him in that department.

      April 15, 2012 at 8:52 am |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 15, 2012 at 7:19 am |
    • Lilith

      I prayed "Just Sayin" would show up & here you are .. but my prayers weren't answered just there "HeavenSent" also showed up, coincidence .. I think not! LOL
      So People if you're sick of this carpet bombing spam .. take it out on them ( I mean Him ).

      April 15, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • Mark

      Forcing a child into a RELIGION IS CHILD ABUSE. Why has our public ed. system declined so much? Religion is the answer. Refusing to learn basic principles of science, because they are heresy, and "I don't come from no apes, god made me and loves me" is not an answer that scores well on an empirically based science exam. Tax religion, tax it out of existence.

      April 15, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • Lilith

      Mark, absolutely true. Religious indoctrination is child abuse. We give our kids Santa, Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy to inhance the wonderment of childhood .. but when they mature and logically question them we tell them the truth. But when it comes to religion, they're threatened into continuing "belief" under threats and scare tactics. It is the very definition of abuse.

      April 15, 2012 at 10:23 am |
    • 1word

      Religion isn't child abuse, it's something vital in raising a God fearing child who will eventually end up a SOLID citizen. You have a lot of people in Jail today who were raised with UNBELIEVERS. The majority of people in PRISON was raised with unbelievers. God created us for a reason, and that's to Walk in the Light. You were created to walk with God not without him.

      April 15, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • Lilith

      1word .. just making stuff up does nothing for your case. Threatening someone into "belief" IS abuse, especially when it's innocent children.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • 1word

      Lilith
      Do your research, the majority of people in Jail today either were born into Broken homes and homes that don't serve God with all their hearts. God will only come to those who make the choice to come to him. He's waiting with his arms open for you and it's up to you to accept him into your heart. I'm not making that up! My God!

      April 15, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Lilith

      1word, your post is nothing but asumption, not a fact to research in the lot. I do love how you think "broken homes" are not christian homes and then change from Atheist to simply not "serving God with all their hearts". My points are researched and understood, if you claim facts it is your responsibility to cite reference materials.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      1word=dolt

      April 15, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Jaxman

      Lilith and Mark, are you for real? Seriously. I knew left winged liberal are flakes (my sister is one) but you are beyond a joke. FYI Lilith, the average religious person is FAR more educated than the non. You speak as if you are SOOOO informed. Nothing is more of an indictment of idiocy than to speak as the final word when you cannot prove yourself. Religion is child abuse? Well considering it is unproven hypothesis, wouldn't that make much of science chidl abuse, as well? Yeah, I thought so.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • sam stone

      jaxman: the fact that you associate this with politics indicates that you are a blowhard. now, go sodomize yourself

      April 15, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • sam stone

      "Nothing is more of an indictment of idiocy than to speak as the final word when you cannot prove yourself"

      Isn't that precisely what Christians do here on a daily basis?

      April 15, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You are the joke, Jax, if you think the religious are better educated than those who no longer believe. Just read the posts on this board.

      Furthermore, you reveal yourself to be an ignoramus by attempting to use 'hypothesis' as if you actually knew what it means in terms of science.

      You obviously do not.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Jaxman

      Yeah, I should know better than to post on CNN. FYI, keep up the barbs as if I am uneducated. You prove my point. Yeah, I really struggle with "hypothesis". Give me a freaking break. I have been an intellectual ALL my life. I come from a family with very little religious history, but the difference is that I don't belittle those with a strong faith. They are not trying to INDOCTRINATE me with words about God, you twits. You really feel that threatened? This country WAS founded by strong religious people. I embrace that. There are many, many good principles that can be taught/lived. I celebrate those and ignore the rest. But, the funniest part of the whole thing is that you anti-religious nuts seeem to get far more bent out of shape than the religious folks. I just bet your head explodes at the thought that you can't PROVE to religious people that God doesn't exist. Haha! Some people are lucky we don't live in the animal kingdom.

      April 15, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Jaxman

      @ Sam, very nice comeback. Way to bring a knife to a gun fight. So, you see every regilious person as trying to indocrinate you? Wow, you must have a very feeble mind. You can ignore EVERYTHING else in your life, but those Christians.... Those big bad Christians are preventing me from living. Bahahaha! Tool. Perhaps you should have moved to the former Soviet Union.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You'd be one of them, Jaxxy. You still haven't figured out that one can no more prove that God doesn't exist than one can prove that leprechauns don't exist. Anyone who's a self-proclaimed "intellectual" would know that, and recognize that the burden of proof is on those who make the claim that something does exist.

      That isn't a problem unless they CLAIM they have proof as so many of the religious crazies do. They fail to acknowledge that one can't prove it; it's a matter of faith. They believe. That's fine, as long as they don't judge others who don't hold the same beliefs. But that's not good enough for them.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sure, right, they don't want to have state-sponsored prayer in schools, do they? They don't want to make abortion illegal, do they? They don't want to have creationism and intelligent design taught along with evolution as if they were equally valid theories, do they?

      Nahh.

      Open your eyes.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      By the way, Jaxxy, those same wonderfully "principled" religious folks are standing on the corner of the street near my home protesting s3x education in schools. They don't want it offered, not EVEN when it's not compulsory and their own kids can opt out if their parents wish.

      Yeah, they can just be ignored and we can let them have their way.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      By the way, Jaxxy, do you think that religion is the only source of morality and principles?

      April 15, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Lilith

      Jaxman, c'mon seriously. I have an opinion based on reality that I will defend and back up (even to God if I must). I comfortably believe that religion is folklore and I have history to back up my claims. Belief is faith and faith needs no factual backup, that's why it's faith ... but none of that makes it reality. I feel that religious belief is no more real than an emotional response to what we don't know or understand .. anthropomorphized ignorance.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • sally

      Jaxx-

      Numerous studies have shown that the more higher education a personal has, the LESS likely they are to be religious. In fact, Rick Santorum recently went so far as to BLAME, in part, higher education on the declining number of Christiand in this country.

      Also, have you BEEN to the Bible belt? Interacted with the people that live there? Educated they are not! The vast majority are ignorant uneducated redneck bumpkins.

      April 15, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven,.

      April 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Lilith, I don't need to hide behind multiple handles like you non-believers do. The only alternative handle I've ever used is HS instead of spelling out HeavenSent because I was on an old computer that isnt' net compatible. I don't post on this site that often because non-believers refuse to get to the truth of any debate. That gets old. Therefore, I only pop in here and there to give young Christians support against your (satan's) lies.

      April 15, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Paranoid, HS? You need help. See a psychiatrist.

      April 15, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, you own your own misery. Once, just once, I hope you enjoy a minute of your day.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!!. . .

      April 16, 2012 at 11:54 am |
  20. EndTheHate

    Mr. Cameron
    Please read this with a earnest heart and pray about it.

    Romans 2:1
    1)You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

    Matthew 7:1-5
    1DO NOT judge and criticize and condemn others, so that you may not be judged and criticized and condemned yourselves.
    2For just as you judge and criticize and condemn others, you will be judged and criticized and condemned, and in accordance with the measure you [use to] deal out to others, it will be dealt out again to you.
    3Why do you stare from without at the very small particle that is in your brother's eye but do not become aware of and consider the beam of timber that is in your own eye?
    4Or how can you say to your brother, Let me get the tiny particle out of your eye, when there is the beam of timber in your own eye?
    5You hypocrite, first get the beam of timber out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the tiny particle out of your brother's eye.

    Luke 6:37
    "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

    Proverbs 6:16-19
    16)These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
    17)A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
    18)An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
    19)A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

    April 15, 2012 at 6:40 am |
    • just sayin

      You cannot hide your sin in Bible verses. It is not hate to speak the Truth, If Truth exposes your sin deal with it quit trying to find excuse by pointing fingers at the messenger. God bless

      April 15, 2012 at 7:24 am |
    • Reality

      You might want to review the historic authenticity of the referenced passages. For example, see Professor Gerd Ludemann's review, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 150. Only Matt 7: 1 was determined to be historic.

      Then there is this:

      JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694.

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Many contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?

      And please note that without judging people's actions, we would have no legal system.

      April 15, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • .....

      Hit report abuse on all reality garbage

      April 15, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Lilith

      @ ..... if your religion can't stand up to someone's opinion your religious belief is pretty darn weak!! There should be a "like" button in addition to "report abuse"!

      April 15, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • 1word

      Actually, the Saved Christian is held at higher standards. You have the Holy Spirit which causes you to see things out of God's eyes. We see people for what they are, and it causes us to judge people. Also, you can judge people if you are living Holy. If you have cleared the speck out of your eye, you can see clearly to cast it from your brothers eye. I see this all the time, people will read one scripture and think that's what God intended, instead if you truely study the Word you will see that the scripture meant more than the little bit you took from it.

      April 15, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      1word, you are so poorly educated that I wouldn't take your "interpretation" of God's word as anything but crap. My cat could do a better job of figuring out what the Bible says than you can.

      Scholars who have studied religious texts for decades disagree on the meanings; why would anyone believe a dimwit ilke YOU is the ultimate authority?

      April 15, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • sam stone

      justsayin: anyone who claims to have the objective truth about god is a pompous jacka$$. you are in with good company

      April 15, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Really. Justlyin wouldn't know what the truth was if it walked up and kicked it in the butt. Why would anybody trust such a deceitful, ugly poster to know what an all-loving, all-knowing God says or wants?

      April 15, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • chef

      It seems like Lilith loves Reality's (especialty) Coffee and Pasta.

      April 15, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Judging Is Believing.

      Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? (Luke 12:57)

      What is right?

      The statutes of the Lord are right (Psalm 19:8).

      False Christians (and other non-believers) often tell us it is not right to judge. Some fools hypocritically condemn us for judging (Luke 6:37), and they all hypocritically judge that we judge. When we identify preachers as false teachers leading both themselves and those who follow them to hell, when we declare others as on their way to hell, and especially when we warn them they are lost, we often hear these words (or the equivalent), "Judge not" (Matthew 7:1). Yet, these words are exactly why we judge.

      Jesus said,

      Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. (Matthew 7:1-2)

      Jesus also said,

      Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. (Luke 6:37a-b)

      We take these words very seriously. They literally scare us. In fact, we are terrified of them (Psalm 119:120; Isaiah 66:2). We do not want to be judged by our "measure" as Christ warns in Matthew 7:1-2, because we know we fall short (Romans 3:23); and our measure is guaranteed to be faulty (Psalm 16:2).

      Moreover, we desire not to be judged as the Lord says in Luke 6:37. We also desire not to be condemned as Jesus promises in Luke 6:37b. Therefore, we strive, in the fear of God, to be certain to never judge and never condemn anyone.

      This is why we have chosen to write and speak solely in accordance with God's judgments2 and Yehvah's condemnations, as it is written,

      With my lips I have declared all the judgments of Your mouth. (Psalm 119:13)

      Everyone judges. No matter who you are, you make judgments every day. The most complacent judge there is nothing to be concerned about (Zephaniah 1:12). The most paranoid judge there is trouble everywhere (Proverbs 28:1). Everyone judges and makes judgments concerning their surroundings and those around them. Those with the mind of Christ judge according to Christ (1 Corinthians 2:15-16).3 Those with a mind of their own (Isaiah 65:2) judge according to their own and are among those described in Isaiah 5:20-21.

      Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

      Cameron is following and standing by Jesus' truth. It's those that follow satan's lies that have a problem with what is being said.

      As a true Christian, I applaud Mr. Cameron for his courage to follow Jesus' truth and not buckle under the lies of satan and his followers in this world.

      Amen.

      April 15, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Lilith, Jesus' truth stands for eternity. Christians can't help it if you believe satan's lies. When and if you come out of the dark into His light, you'll comprehend this. Until then, you have the right to stay ignorant.

      April 15, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
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