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With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist
Kirk Cameron released a documentary in theatres on Friday titled "Monumental."
April 13th, 2012
05:02 PM ET

With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– Kirk Cameron could have joined the ranks of former TV heartthrobs who rode off into the sunset, reappearing only for the occasional reunion show or career-reviving role in a TV drama. Think Ricky Schroder or Scott Baio.

But Cameron, known to millions of Americans as Mike Seaver on the hit ‘80s-era show “Growing Pains,” is carving out a new niche for himself, as an unlikely voice of politically conservative American evangelicals.

Cameron has a new documentary on the faith of America’s founders that arrives in theaters on Friday. He is neither a historian nor theologian, but the film, “Monumental,” shows him consumed with Christianity - and with rage over what he says has been the systematic removal of religion’s role from American history.

The film opens with Cameron sitting on an Adirondack chair in his backyard. Looking straight and silently into the camera, a voice-over of his own voice alerts viewers that the world around him is going to hell.

“There is something seriously sick in the soul of our country,” the voice-over says.

“Don’t worry about the fact the world is going to hell in a hand basket - just get out of the hand basket,” his friends tell him. But Cameron explains that he refuses to listen and instead sets out to make “Monumental: In Search of America’s National Treasure,” which investigates the debate over America’s soul.

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Over the last decade, Cameron has become the wholesome, boyish face of Christian cinema. He starred in “Left Behind,” the low-budget film based on the wildly popular Christian book series.

More recently, he played the lead role in “Fireproof,” a breakout film that shocked the Hollywood establishment when it debuted in the top 10 in its first week and wound up taking in an estimated $33 million. The film was made by Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia, for just over $500,000.

Cameron was one of the only professional actors in the film; the rest were congregants from the church.

Along with such popular movies as Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ,” ”Fireproof” showed the potential for a new market in explicitly Christian films. In the last two years, crossover movies like “Soul Surfer” and “Courageous” have had parallel advertising campaigns targeting churches.

The movement has propelled Cameron back into the spotlight.

“Monumental” is Cameron’s baby. He is its executive producer and its star.

“When I survey the landscape and turn on the news, all signs are saying panic,” Cameron recently said.

“Instead of listening to everyone play the blame game … maybe the best place to look for solutions was to talk to the men and women who built this country 400 years ago and laid the foundations that resulted in a nation that has experienced more blessing and prosperity and strength than any other nation in the world,” he said.

“That launched me on this journey to retrace the Pilgrims and find the sacred sauce.”

In the film, Cameron retraces the Pilgrims’ steps from England to Holland to the New World. He talked to scholars and historians, digging in on the faith of the Founding Fathers.

What he found, he said, is a forgotten historical narrative not taught in schools.

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Those first principles, as Cameron sees them, are spelled out in a scene depicting a large stone monument near Massachusetts’ Plymouth Rock, the spot memorialized as the place the Pilgrims landed.

“Faith in God … produces character, character will produce courage, courage to face the challenges of the day,” Cameron says in the movie, riffing off the Pilgrims’ story.

Cameron teamed with NCM Fathom, a company that streams live events to movie theaters nationwide, like live performances of the Metropolitan Opera and boxing matches, to offer a sneak peek at the film a couple of weekends ago. That debut was emceed by Cameron, featured live performances by Christian bands and was beamed out live on more than 600 screens, grossing $1.23 million, according to NCM and Cameron's publicist.

Kirk Cameron stares at an inscription at the Jefferson Memorial in Washington.

The new documentary has faced criticism for its inclusion of self-taught evangelical Christian historian David Barton.

A favorite among evangelicals for his Christian-centric views of the Founding Fathers and his vast collection of historical documents, Barton is heavily featured in the film.

“The reason I went to go see David Barton is because he owns the largest collection of original source documents from the founding era that I can get my hands on and that you can go and see,” Cameron said.

“When you look at those documents it becomes incredibly clear there has been a lot of cherry picking of the evidence done to support a very particular worldview, and that’s the worldview our children are learning in school and it’s not the full and complete historical record because it doesn’t reflect the faith of our Founding Fathers,” the actor said.

In a version of the film made available for screening and in clips posted online, Barton shows Cameron the “Thompson Hot Press Bible,” which Barton said was printed in 1798 and was funded by 12 signers of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, including John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

“They wanted the word of God out to every family,” Barton says in the clip. “If these guys happen to be Christians it makes a lot of sense.”

Barton then picks up a small rare Bible known as the “Aitken Bible.” “The Bible of the Revolution was printed by the Congress of the United States. So Congress printed the first English Language version of the Bible,” Barton said. He goes on to say the Congress said, “This was a neat edition of the Bible for use in our schools.”

Warren Throckmorton, an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College, a private Christian school in Pennsylvania, has criticized Barton’s version of history and Cameron’s films.

About much of the history featured in the film, Throckmorton said, “That’s just not what happened.”

After seeing clips of the documentary, Throckmorton fact-checked some parts.

He said he found that the “Thompson Hot Press Bible” was not funded in total by 12 Founders. Instead, he said, the Bible was funded by a subscription base of 1,200 customers that included 12 Founding Fathers. “The printers funded that Bible, the Founders didn’t fund it. It was a business venture for them.”

As for the quote Barton attributed to Congress about putting the Bible in schools, it actually came from Robert Aitken’s petition to Congress. Aitken was a colonial printer. The Journals of Congress from 1782 shows Aitken completed the Bible on his own and sought the blessing of Congress.

The record shows a report from two congressional chaplains who examined the work, which they praised.

Congress passed a resolution to recommend “this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States and hereby authorize him to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.” That resolution did not mention it being put in schools.

“David Barton gets the facts wrong when it comes to these two Bibles,” Throckmorton said. “The facts of the case are stretched and embellished to create a narrative that is misleading.”

Cameron defended Barton’s work. “No one is more guilty of cherry picking evidence than those who bow to the god of political correctness, especially historians,” Cameron said. “Everyone is going to select the information that is important to their thesis. If you’re bent on being politically correct, it’s very easy to fall into that trap.”

Throckmorton noted that he and other critics of Barton’s work hail from Christian colleges and universities.

Early controversy surrounding Cameron's comments on social issues have given the film more media coverage than Cameron could have imagined for a small-budget documentary.

Appearing on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight last month, Cameron fielded questions about abortion, gay marriage and what he would do if one of his six children came out to him as gay.

None of the topics appear in the film, but Cameron expressed views on same-sex marriage, abortion and homosexuality that are common among conservative evangelical Christians.

Cameron called homosexuality “unnatural,” adding, “I think that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."

His comments sparked outrage from gay rights groups like GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. The group led a campaign to counter Cameron’s comments with other 1980s TV stars and evangelicals on the other side of the theological spectrum.

GLAAD spotlighted a bevy of celebrities who chided Cameron for his positions on homosexuality, including a tweet from Rosanne Barr, who suggested Cameron was “an accomplice to murder with his hate speech.”

Cameron said his support for traditional marriage is rooted in faith and thinks it should inform policy decisions: “You either believe marriage and human sexuality are sacred or you do not.”

Cameron jokingly described his faith as “high octane” but said he considers himself part of the evangelical Christian tradition. He said he goes to a small nondenominational community church near his home in California, though his publicist later clarified that he is not a member of the church, whose name he would not disclose because of privacy and security concerns.

Cameron said he was caught off guard by the controversy around his comments.

“It is my goal to love everyone. I hate no one,” he said. “Regardless of their race, religion, their proclivities, the desire of their heart and how they want to live their life and the decisions that they make. I can even respect people’s decisions and lifestyle choices just as I hope they have the courtesy to respect my decisions and my choices.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. Matt

    Before you all jump to conclusion and throw barbs at the christians, pick up your old dusty, unused Holy Bible and read Isaiah 53 in the Old Testament, it points to future event about Jesus Christ shedding his blood for our sins at the Cross. The prophet Isaiah predicted that in the jewish old testament 700 years before Christ came. New Testament is about God coming down in human flesh to live among us in the person of Jesus Christ and His mission was to save us all by dying on the cross for us and rise again so that we can have eternal life. We have to go by faith not by sight. Jesus said that it is more blessed for those who have not seen Him but believe. And Jesus commanded us to love God and to love our neighbors even enemies too. Of course there are hypocritical christians out there but not all of them are hypocritical if you look closely at their actions. We do love the people that are from the left wing and also gays and lebisans. We have no reason to hate them but to share the Gospel so that they can come to Christ to be saved and forgiven and have everlasting life with Him. Yes there are some people that prefer to stay in their sins it is their choice and the end reality is separation from God. God gives all of us many chances to repent and come to Him. He loves everyone very much to see them lost.

    April 17, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • momoya

      Matt, I know that people you trust have presented isaiah and other "prophecies" as proof of Jesus as the messiah, but it's not as solid as you've been led to believe.. Jews who spend their entire lives studying the OT prophets mostly disagree with the Christian interpretation of messianic prophecy.. Your faith is not well placed..

      http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter15.html

      April 17, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ momoya

      But of course Jews reject and have a different interpretation of Scriptures than do Christians. They rejected Christ. And not only did they reject Him, they rejected His interpretation of old testament Scripture as well.

      I do, however, want to let you know that I've met a few honest Jews before who have put aside Jewish traditions to do an exhaustive study of the bible and have come to the conclusion that their own prophecies do match up to Jesus Christ being the Messiah they have been waiting for. Most Jews back then just missed the boat.

      April 17, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ momoya, this of course was because they have sought for the truth, they have truly dedicated themselves to know God, not something that would support their man-made traditions. Like the bible says,

      John 16:24 – "Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive..."

      April 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • jimtanker

      What a crock. I just read that whole passage and it doesnt say anything at all about a jesus figure. There are NO prophesies in the OT.

      April 18, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • momoya

      @BoldGeorge

      Yes, the Jews have a different interpretation of scripture.. That's my point.. Any believer can interpret scripture any way they chose to.. Why?. Why is religion different from math and chemistry?? You can't do math but just one way.. You can get a wrong answer, but the principles of math and chemistry can be used to determine if the answer is correct.. Why doesn't god have a similar mechanism?? Why does he allow so many wrong conclusions since no conclusion can be proved right or wrong?

      How stupid is it to have a statement in your book that people who don't see it a certain way aren't "special" like the ones that do see it that way?. Now a math textbook could make that claim because it has a mechanism whereby the correct answer can be verified.. Why doesn't god have a mechanism to verify correct interpretation?? Why are there millions of Jews who study the OT much, much, much, much, much more than you do, but they come to a completely different conclusion.. If a math textbook did that, we'd sue the authors.

      April 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
  2. Question Everything

    Could you think of a better job than to be a clergyman? That's all this is about. Lazy people who didn't want to get a real job. Although I completely disagree with Kirk as he is incredibly misguided, he is playing the system perfectly. Think about it, when was the last time he had a job? The guy was probably broke, realized he wasn't marketable and took the last choice, god! Big money in that business.

    April 17, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • sam stone

      That's the great gig about religion. You can never be wrong. And, people throw gobs of money at you. Or, they kill you

      April 17, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      Shearing the sheep.

      April 17, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
    • JesseP

      Kirk is speaking the truth that everyone thought would disappear. People change, the truth remains. A universal constant. Ignore it, accept it, run from it, hide from it or be changed by it. There are realities we currently cannot even begin to measure and to arrogantly believe otherwise is just foolish.

      Open your eyes, there's a creator. Our universe started somewhere.

      April 17, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • just sayin

      Jesse,

      Your story of your creator is not original and borrowed from other dead myths

      April 17, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      You guys love talking the talk but really don't know what you are talking about (in this case, writing/commenting about). Please get your facts straight. Mr. Cameron did not get fired, was not let go and did not die down in Hollywood. He chose to out himself right smack in the middle of his movin'-on-up career, all because of his Christian faith. Now that is a true Christian. Now, the real question is WHY did he out himself? Please feel free to ask.

      April 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Jay

      Lazy? Humm that's a bit odd...my clergymen are pretty busy taking care of the elderly, seeing to my children's welfare and pretty much being involved in very positive outlets in my community. Humm, maybe you are refering to the evolutionist or aethist community clergy...you know the ones that galavant around making stupid statements about everyone that doesn't agree with them.

      April 17, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • Jay

      Oh, and the agnostics, atheists, and evolutionists that infiltrated the church and committed child abuse and that sort of stuff...now I get it. You were talking of those unbeleivers...the ones that we wish didn't lie to us about their faith all their life just to sodomize our children?

      April 17, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • Cq

      Jay
      Demonizing your enemy is propaganda trick #1. Goebbels would be proud of you, just like he would be of creationists.

      April 17, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • Jay

      I apologize cq...sometimes the banter on this blog gets the better of me. I really don't want to hate on anybody, but I do hate the people who claim to be Americans but continue to spout off thinking no one else is allowed to have an opinion especially someone who believes in God.

      April 17, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @Question everything
      Some people just don't know that there ar others who live on different, higher plane of existence, and their purpose for life is much greater then making a buck!
      You are very cynical person QE, and it is blinding your eyes and numbing your heart.
      I commend Kirk Cameron for standing firm in his convictions because they are right!
      And the God of Truth whom he honors and whose principles he defends, will sustain him, because he has loved the Truth more then the flattery of men! What a strong, courageous, uncompromising, but yet kind and fair young man he is! There is no hatred in any of his messages, inspite of outlash against him. It really shows who is made out of what here!

      Cq wrote a quote " Demonizing your enemy is propaganda trick #1."

      Yep, that's what satan did from the beginning, and he's doing it still today, while telling them that he doesn't exist ..LOL! Isn't that clever or something?!......
      He makes those who hate Jesus Christ and His people to be his slaves, doing exactly what he wants them to do. He's making fools out of them, because keeping them hostile toward Jesus Christ who is the only hope they have of escaping his grip, in doing so he makes his grip on them tighter and more secure.!! How come you wise of the "educated" ones can't understand that?!
      But to bash the man who speaks the truth in love, and does not offend anyone by hateful remarks, but presents his case with clarity,wisdom attempting to reason...by bashing and demonizing him, you reveal the secret motives of your own hearts, exposing what is in them!

      April 17, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Cq

      PRISM 1234
      Maybe Satan's greatest trick was to convince Paul to take the Jesus movement away from Jews and hand it to the Gentiles? I don't actually believe in Satan, but think about it! Paul persecutes Jewish Christians, right? Then he has a revelation, and starts taking Jesus to Gentiles, still fighting the Jews-only side until they eventually disappear. What's to say, then, that Paul NEVER stopped persecuting Jewish Christians, and actually succeeded?

      Thanks for detailing so clearly with your little Satan scenario how many Christians demonize their critics. I couldn't have outlined it better myself, 🙂 but the criticisms still remain, and you can't avoid the problems like this forever. People are leaving your churches. Either modernize, or go the way of the dinosaurs that you don't really believe in.

      April 18, 2012 at 1:16 am |
    • sam stone

      JesseP: Assume for the sake of the argument that there is a creator. How does that translate to a being that judges sin ? How does the possibility of a creator in and of itself support any particular creation story? It's is if you are saying "The universe is vast and complex. Therefore, Jesus died for your sins"?

      April 18, 2012 at 4:09 am |
    • What the $#%

      Cq, i know you have a problem with Christianity and God of Christianity. Many people do, especially today, in our society and its mentality.... Natural man always have and always will have the problem facing his condition. That's what Christianity does: exposes mans condition. That's why it is hated more then any other religion one the face of the earth.
      I won't go into anything more further, because I talked you in depth about those issues few days ago...
      No, Cq, what you wrote about Paul and his message is totally wrong. You either never read the New Testament , including letters of Paul, or when you did, you read it with something in your heart that shut out the truth of it from comming in. You read it with desire to disprove it, so the Holy Spirit of God never opened your understanding. So now you do the very thing you wrote in post above , from which I quoted: " Demonizing your enemy is propaganda trick #1
      Because that's what you are really doing, and although you may not be doing it consciously, believing you are right, you are doing the will of the one who has you captive in his grip, which is satan, the father of lies. You can scorn me for my imaginary gods and goblins, but here is a fact for you that you will learn to be fact soon enough, because you have an appointment to meet.
      You ar an crated being, created by God. You are a physical and spiritual being. You have a soul. There is a war in the spirit world, and we, human beings are raight in the middle of it. You hav an enemy that was enormous hatred toward us, who hates our Maker, and is full of envy toward us, and he desires nothing more then to take all souls God has created away from Him, and damn them to eternity without Him. That's why he fills all his bond-servants, the ones whose lives he possesses through alluring them into following him... And he makes them his workers, working against God. He knows if he can do that he accomplishes two goals: he damns their souls, and gets them to work for him , leading many others with them to him.
      That's how it is, Cq... You do what you will with it, but this is the ruth, and hose who know our Lord know also that what I said here is a sobering truth. But the world without Christ, the ones who deny Him and refuse the let Him show them the truth, they will mock and ridicule, while sliding down the slippery path satan has laid out for them, until the day their body releases their soul, and then they will hear him laugh...
      Is that hate speech here, Cq? Can anyone say there is hate in this post? Yet people do, because they rather believe satan and his lies, then let go of what they love -and that here is something to ponder and really examine WHY!
      And lastly, so I have it clerified for you: the Holy Spirit of God testifies to everything that Paul said. That is why we know that his testimony ois true. Thsoe who don't know God have not the testimony of the Holy Spirit of God He is the One who teaches us, and convinces us what is truth and what is not, and no man does it !

      April 18, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      P.S. Sorry for not changing my name before posting.... I'm in a hurary, ot to go to work... 🙂
      Prism

      April 18, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • Cq

      Jay
      Check the banter a little more closely and you'll find it's the believers who stress the most that theirs is the only truth, and that belief in God isn't an opinion, but a fact. How un-American is that?

      April 18, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • Cq

      PRISM 1234
      "Natural man" is a good phrase. I consider beliefs in the supernatural very unnatural.

      What I wrote about Paul still fits the facts of the situation, at least the facts that we all agree upon. Paul described himself as the strongest of Christianity's enemies before his conversion. He persecuted them, but at that time they were still just Jews who believed Jesus to be he messiah. After he arrived on the scene he still opposed this part of the movement, and locked horns with their leaders. He brought the belief to the gentiles and championed that they not be forced to observe Jewish Law. His version of the faith grew even after most Jews, including the Christian ones, fled during the revolt and destruction of the Temple. There really is nothing to suggest that he ever stopped opposing the Jewish Christian movement that wanted to keep it within Judaism, right?

      I'm not demonizing anyone, but you still seem to insist that it's my fault somehow for not believing. Tell me, could you just flip a switch somewhere in your mind and just start believing in Islam, or Hinduism? You are still the one insisting that I am in Satan's "grasp". I, however, don't think you're any more evil than the average person, but I do think you are following a false belief. "False" in the sense that the premise that Christianity is based upon the plans of an actual god is very highly unlikely. If you look at it objectively it becomes obvious how the faith evolved the way that it did, with ideas borrowed from the Greek understanding of gods twisting Jewish religion into seeing Jesus as divine, a demigod like Hercules. You do not allow yourself to view what you believe in objectively, you don't appear to even think that testing your faith is a good thing to do. You seem to be arguing that any test of one's faith is an evil act prompted by Satan. That's a pretty convenient way to keep people from ever questioning the powers that be, isn't it?

      All of this is my opinion. I may end up being wrong about it in the end, I admit that there's a small chance of that, but I could also be wrong about the Mayan calendar predictions, or any number of other dire consequences associated with not worshipping the many other gods. I doubt that you worry about these things either, so why can't you appreciate why I include your beliefs with them? Can you demonstrate a difference that sets your beliefs apart from these others, and please don't insult either of our intelligences by insisting that it's my job to disprove your claim that your god is the one true one. That's just silly.

      As I say, mine are opinions based on what I know and understand. Yours, however, always comes off as statements of fact. If I have a "problem" with Christianity it's this presumed certainty of yours which so often leads you to bulldozing over other people's beliefs and values. All of your assumptions about there being a God, about why I oppose your views, even about our having eternal souls and being created beings IS just your opinion. Unless, of course, you can prove it's the truth.

      April 18, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      Hi, Cq
      I was on the run this morning, without much time of proofreading my post, but anyhow, thanks for your response.
      I understand where you are coming from, I really do....
      I'm glad we talked, and it's OK to disagree, if we can do that without hateful remarks, throwing rocks at one another..
      I will say though that my philosophy and understanding of life is this: I know that there are many opinions out there, and we are allowed to have them... There are some things that we can freely disagree about and it makes life in this world more "colorful". But there are some that are so crucial, and so important that just to have an opinion about them, it can be a dangerous death trap. One of those is about us, humanity, where we come from and what our purpose of life is, and what is our destiny?..... I also believe that if there is a God (i'm saying "if" for your sake, from your point of view), who created us, who gave us life and made us so unique, giving us abilities that are above any other creature upon this earth, then He would have never left us to wonder, guessing in darkness, hoping we find our way to Him, BUT would provide a way for us to KNOW HIM and come to Him. He did do this in the Person of Jesus Christ. And although He was a Jew, He came for all people.
      You seem to stumble over the issue of Christ coming to Jews, but ending up being savior of Gentiles. Yes, He came to Jews, His own people, but His own did not receive Him. But to those who did, to them He became their Saviour and Redeemer, their elder Brother, the High Priest who intercedes to the Father on their behalf.....so, being Jew or Gentile, all becoming one in Him.
      That's what Jews have hard time to swallow. But in God's sight no man is justified, whether Jew, Gentile or who ever he may be, but only in Christ Jesus, the Lamb of God whom He sent.

      I believe and am convinced beyond the shadow of doubt that what I know to be true is REALITY, and is not an opinion. This is not to demean other people's views, but knowing something it's so, does not demean ones who don't agree, but only testifies to what the truth is. ... Because opinion is worth nothing, measured by the standard of truth, but if it is in agreement with the truth, then it is not an opinion, but testimony to the truth. .
      My conviction does not come because of someones indoctrination , but by revelation and testimony of the Holy Spirit of God, AND the Word of God , who is Yeshua, the Word of God who became flesh, Christ the Lord, of whom the prophets spoke long before His birth, and who came to declare and explain God to mankind, so that by faith in Him mankind could be saved.
      How do I know this? Because The Holy Spirit of God testifies to it to be true, and it testifies of NO OTHER, but Him! This is written on my conscience, my heart, my soul, my intellect, and everything that I am. For me to deny it, it would be denying my own existence, it would be willfully accepting a lie.
      You yourself, as well as many others, say that you need proof, so you ask of me a proof.
      Here is the way it is, Cq: God is the one who gives the proof. He gave it to me, He gives it to whom ever He wills. But in order to receive the Proof, one must meet the condition.
      The condition is: a child-like, not childish, but child-LIKE , and humble heart, seeking to know, yet not boasting of knowing anything....Because God resists the proud but draws nigh to the humble.
      I can not begin to tell you the things that happened in my own life, even from early childhood. I was shown things I don't desire to talk about here on public forum, even though I had few times in the past. But to those who are dead in their souls, even if one came from the dead, and testified to them, they would still refuse to acknowledge, and would still mock and ridicule him. To them, I'm afraid, only harsh sentence will speak, and that will come soon enough.

      So as I said to you before, we'll go on our own ways, and I hope you find the right, true path. We are all humans, we're all in this earth together. But what we do with our lives here on earth, will determine our eternity. And eternity is a long time. I hope I'll see you clothed in Christ's righteousness on the Day when all human hearts will be exposed and bare before Him. This is my prayer and desire of my heart, not just for you, but for all the people here, with whom we cross our paths.
      Good day to you, Cq!

      April 18, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Cq

      PRISM 1234
      You make a very passionate declaration for your beliefs. I don't doubt that you believe what you say, and your testimony would be rather compelling if it weren't for the fact that there are people who believe in religions other than your own who are just as convinced that they are right in their particular belief as you are in yours. There are other people who believe in things like UFO alien abductions and Bigfoot, and would swear on a stack of bibles as to what they experienced. There are people who are completely convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt that vaccines cause autism, that the CIA killed Kennedy, and that Obama wasn't born in the USA. These people are what we call "True Believers" and no amount of evidence will ever convince them that what they KNOW is true actually isn't.

      You may not like being lumped into the same category as these groups, but your belief system matches theirs perfectly. There is no objective proof supporting your belief. Even the Holy Spirit cannot be differentiated from a particular gut feeling that a large number of people just happen to believe in, like "women's intuition."

      Reversing your role for a moment, how would you respond to someone from one of these other groups? Safe to say that you don't support people's belief in other religions, right? That's an automatic dismissal based on the point that any other religious system is in contradiction with your own, and you KNOW that yours is correct, so the other guy's must be false. Bigfoot you might be willing to be agnostic about; it is a big, mysterious world after all, but what about UFO alien abductions, or the various conspiracy theories? Do you accept people's beliefs, even their testimony as proof, or would you be skeptical until further evidence comes in, or even dismiss their beliefs outright? I think the stumbling block here is that you really can't step aside for a moment to look at the situation from our side, whereas many, if not most, atheists, myself included, were once believers like you are now. We know both sides of this, have weighed what each side offers, and have chosen the side of disbelief because it is the stronger side to be on.

      The same goes for your ideas about the Jews. Being unable, or unwilling to step into their point of view you cannot see where Jesus failed to fulfill messianic expectations. You think it's actually logical to say that he did from a Christian perspective, not realizing that the Christian perspective has changed the rules of what makes a messiah to fit Jesus, suiting itself. To borrow a term from pop culture, Christianity has "reimagined" the Jewish experience to match it's beliefs. I don't have to believe in Judaism to recognize this. Being familiar with it is enough.

      That's my opinion, and I'm comfortable with keeping that label attached to by belief in this. I'm not at all dogmatic about any of these things. I could change my opinion given a sufficient amount of good evidence. Could you imagine any evidence that would dissuade your belief in God? Probably not, right? That's because you are in love with the belief that God is real, and when you are in love with anything you ignore all argument that could convince you otherwise. Belief in God depends on making an emotional commitment to it. That's what "letting in the Holy Spirit" means, right? So, how can one be thinking rationally about something they are emotionally attached to? It makes for poor decision-making.

      Ah, well! I've said my peace on this. Believe what you wish but, if your beliefs hurt others, then don't be surprised that people will criticize those beliefs. Take care, and try to remember the old maxim: "All things in moderation."

      April 19, 2012 at 12:23 am |
  3. Jay

    My best wishes at the box office on this film. The country is in need of a soul lately with many Americans allowing themselves a nearly unrestrained worship of their personal space and privacy rights while burning at the stake anyone who doesn't agree with their selfish behavior.

    April 17, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • sam stone

      gosh, jay, sounds like religious folk

      April 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • sam stone

      who is being burned at the stake, jay?

      April 17, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Jay

      It's a metaphor just in case you were needing a scientific explanation for my use of english.

      April 17, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Alice

      @Jay
      What's wrong with having personal space and privacy rights? It's how we teach our children to avoid being molested. The bad men want to get into their personal space, and you're telling us that they should let them in? Figures!

      April 18, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • @Alice

      "What's wrong with having personal space and privacy rights? It's how we teach our children to avoid being molested. The bad men want to get into their personal space, and you're telling us that they should let them in? Figures!"

      How far will you go to tear down someone else's words that are true, being based on undeniable evidence, and are evident to anyone who is willing to face it, except those who hate it because of their own agenda?!
      What you said in your response to Jay is truly sickening!

      April 18, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      So you disagree with Alice. Does that mean you think we should have no privacy rights?

      April 18, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • @HG

      When your house is on quicksand and is about to sink, do you shun those who reach out to help you, telling them they are invading your privacy?

      April 18, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
  4. bj412

    I don't agree with Kirk Cameron, but I believe he has a right to say it whether his comments are true and accurate or not. Equally, I believe others should feel free to counter Cameron's statements, but not to attack him personally for not sharing your beliefs. As a liberal, gay male I will attempt to refute all of Cameron's statements, but I would defend his right to say them.

    April 17, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • sam stone

      sure, he has a right to say what he believes. we have a right to call him a pompous bigot

      April 17, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • JesseP

      You simply will not see the picture being painted unless you're standing on the right side of the canvas. Consider that before you direct "hate-speech" at man who's simply answering the questions he is asked.

      Does it strike a nerve? Why, then?

      April 17, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • sam stone

      I don't care for his hate speech. And I am voicing my opinion, as is everyone else on this blog

      April 18, 2012 at 4:17 am |
  5. mon

    I miss the days of Matthew 6:6. "But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you." Granted there were many verses about "spread the word", but I think the point was to mind whether your intentions were to teach or just to be showy. Although I think most fundamentalists think all of their actions are right and sanctioned by God, therefore my above point has already been rendered moot in their eyes.

    April 17, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  6. otto

    Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. – Thomas Jefferson

    April 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Jay

      Otto...IF you had read a little further in the letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to Peter Carr, you would have read that Mr. Jefferson didn't debunk a belief in God at all and even encouraged Mr. Carr to explore his faith with reason and not to be prejudiced on either side...a quality you seem to lack.

      April 17, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Jay

      Your own reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable, not for the rightness, but uprightness of the decision. Thomas Jefferson

      April 17, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
  7. bob

    First of all Kirk Cameron needs to STOP with all his founding fathers search an EXPOSE more on how these founding fathers STOLE this country from the Native Americans, BEAT them into SUBMISSION from THEIR SPIRITUAL BELIEFS To THEIR EUROPEAN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS . POISONED THEM WITH SMALL POX ALL IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD! I BELIEVE in GOD but i don't belive in this God that fudementalist have CREATED in THEIR OWN IMAGE!

    April 17, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • mandarax

      Now, now, Bob. When those Franciscan Priests routinely trapped Pueblo indians in their kivas and burned them alive, that was done with divine love...

      April 17, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  8. Reality

    Dear Kirk,

    A prayer just for you and all like thinkers:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request)

    April 17, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      The Atheist Hunter's Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on "The Word" of God who spoke "Reality" into existence)

      I do believe in "God",
      His existence need not be proven,
      for by faith in His ONLY Son Yeshua,
      my sins have been forgiven.

      Gone is the empty place inside,
      that nothing else could fill,
      now my cup, it runneth over,
      who knew love could be so real.

      The void atheists seek to fill,
      with knowledge from mere mortal man,
      Is free to all with childlike faith,
      don't need degree in hand.

      God is not man that he could lie,
      In Heaven Jesus lives,
      He'll take me there when I die.
      His peace to me He gives.

      If rapture steals me from death,
      On angles wings I'll fly,
      Trumpet will sound, "Come up here!,"
      Never will I die.

      Oh death where is you mighty sting,
      O fear where have you gone?
      My Lord and Savior has set me free,
      I am never more alone!

      Don't waste your life on this senseless lie,
      Your soul is crying out,
      Sensing warnings given you,
      Your time is running out!

      Jesus reigns at the right hand of God
      pleading for your life,
      Your soul's at war with your flesh,
      your existence...daily strife.

      Jesus conceived by God above,
      to the lowly virgin Mary,
      God's gift of eternal love to all,
      to take the load you carry.

      Most precious gift to every soul,
      all atheists as well,
      Your loving God provided the way,
      of escape from "Reality" in hell.

      "Reality" mocks Him "Mamzer!",
      Jesus turns to God to plead,
      forgive him Father, he is blind,
      place his punishment on Me.

      Death could not hold the spotless lamb,
      Our Risen Lord and King,
      He laid down his life so that we may live,
      let all rejoice and sing!

      Be not deceived by the father of lies,
      this world is not your home,
      Satan has blinded you from truth,
      Burning in hell he will let you roam.

      Let go of atheism, religion and myths,
      Jesus is the ONLY way,
      Don't believe me? Take a dare,
      Ask Him to reveal Himself today.

      This is My blood that was spilled for all sins,
      My body was broken for you,
      By My stripes you were healed
      By My blood your life is made new.

      Just believe in my Name,
      My gift to you is free,
      I'll give you the peace you're longing for,
      Eternity with Me.

      I have promised you a mansion in Heaven,
      And a life your money can't buy,
      I'll set you free from atheism,
      and all Satan's other lies.

      Just invite me in and you will see,
      I am the Life, the truth and the way,
      Give me a chance to be your Savior,
      I'll always hear when you pray.

      You may mock me and curse Me,
      but one thing is eternally true,
      I wear scars I will show you all someday,
      if only you would love me too.

      You're name is written in the palm of My hands,
      scarred with love you can never explain,
      Give me one chance and I promise you this,
      your life will never be the same.

      Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess,
      Jesus as Savior and King,
      When it's all said and done, lies all dispelled,
      "Praise God" let his victory ring!

      Amen
      (no references needed except just faith)

      April 17, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Reality

      AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD
      Joe Smith had his Moroni.

      "Latter-day Saints also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".

      newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      For added information see the review at:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

      April 17, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Reality

      (from Professor Crossan's book, "Who is Jesus" co-authored with Richard Watts)

      "Moreover, an atonement theology that says God sacrifices his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but it is an obscene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect our imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us."

      "Traditionally, Christians have said, 'See how Christ's passion was foretold by the prophets." Actually, it was the other way around. The Hebrew prophets did not predict the events of Jesus' last week; rather, many of those Christian stories were created to fit the ancient prophecies in order to show that Jesus, despite his execution, was still and always held in the hands of God."

      "In terms of divine consistency, I do not think that anyone, anywhere, at any time, including Jesus, brings dead people back to life."

      April 17, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Reality

      Putting the kibosh on religion:

      • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

      • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

      • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

      • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

      • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

      • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

      A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

      e.g. Taoism

      "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

      Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

      April 17, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 17, 2012 at 7:40 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!.!

      April 17, 2012 at 10:44 am |
  10. Matteo

    Frank

    Additionally is it really Micheal J Fox disease? Or perhaps it's Parkinsons which MR Fox has. Kind of insensitive aren't you?

    April 17, 2012 at 6:34 am |
  11. cccp21

    Hello fellow free thinkers and unbeleivers, we need your help defeating the Republicans and keeping Religion and other nonsense out of schools and Govevernment. Please go to http://www.cpusa.org/ and see what you can do to help us this fall. Your help is needed, never has the situation been so dire as it is now. Thank you.

    April 17, 2012 at 4:44 am |
    • 1word

      Free thinkers and Unbelievers? Schools need more religion! Actually more families need to teach their kids early about religion so they can actually get along with other people.

      April 17, 2012 at 5:26 am |
    • sam stone

      1word is either a troll or a moron. in either case, it has gotten old.

      1word....go sod-o-mize yourself

      April 17, 2012 at 5:59 am |
    • mikstov33

      You are ritght that is just what the Dr. ordered.....a government that BECOMES the religion of the country.

      April 17, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • Cq

      1word
      I'm actually in favor of more comparative religion and the Bible as literature courses, but you mean more of the "right kind of" religion, right? People are taught not to get along with folks of other faiths, or non-faith, so it really is time to clear away all those presuppositions that kids pick up at home and at church.

      April 17, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • bob

      I don't know how Kirk Cameron or the rest of these NEW AGED Christians can support the RACIST WICKED EVIL republicans the g.o.p are literally the modern day PHARISEES that Jesus Christ CONDEMMED!

      April 17, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Jay

      I think evolution and intelligent design are both great for everyone in school to explore as well as the fact that God exists...it keeps the soul alive!

      April 17, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • Cq

      Jay
      But what if you don't believe in an eternal soul, or God, or intelligent design?

      April 17, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • Jay

      Then deal with it like all us faithful deal with unbeleivers...we try to understand and let things go realizing we are all Americans and that all of us can't all be right...and all of us can't all be wrong. What is wrong is saying you honestly beleive evolution solves everything...when in fact science has PROVEN it is full of holes and they are trying very hard to come up with yet more speculation and theory. Likewise, I don't expect all you atheists to believe in God if you just can't seem to (I'd hope you decision was based on at least giving it a good try like I did evolution). So my final thought is not to go bashing the 80% of us Americans who do believe because you really don't have the right to shut me or anyone else up to include my children and their teachers nor do my children or teacher have the right to force you to pray.

      April 17, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Cq

      Jay
      On any given subject I can understand how all of us can't be right, but not why all of us can't be wrong. Why assume that somebody has the right answer? There truly is no guarantee of that, is there?
      Evolution happens to be the theory that best fits all the evidence. It fits the evidence so well that it can be used to predict fossils and relationships between creatures, and even make medicines. In short, it works! ID, on the other hand, answers nothing, and it therefore useless. The only "holes" in the science are the discoveries we are yet to make and we'd have to dig into all the rock of the earth and find the fossilized remains of every individual creature that has ever lived to satisfy creationists that all the "holes" have been filled. Ridiculous!

      Christians who call for prayer to be brought back into public schools do want our children to be forced to prey, and prey the way they want them to. Nobody is imagining a general 10 minute free-for-all, prey as you like, period where evangelicals are doing their thing, Catholics have their rosaries out, Muslims are on their preyer mats, wiccas are lighting incense... No, the evangelicals are imagining everyone either chanting along with their formulas, or shutting their mouths and listening as the others belittle their beliefs. No diversity.

      Want to know what that would feel like? If you're evangelical imagine going to a Catholic school of the 1950's or so, and listening to the priests explain how protestants like you are destined to go to hell. Sound like fun to you? All we ask is that you actually follow the Golden Rule and not force others to do what you wouldn't want forced onto you. Get it?

      April 18, 2012 at 1:02 am |
  12. GodPot

    "Cameron said his support for traditional marriage is rooted in faith and thinks it should inform policy decisions: “You either believe marriage and human se.xuality are sacred or you do not.”

    Okay, I'm fine with that. Same with cow's, you either believe they are sacred or you do not. But you better not try to pass laws that try to smack the burger out of my mouth. You go ahead and practice all the "sacred" you want, just stop policing other peoples sacred. For some people weed is sacred, for others it's their guns, but you can't just claim marriage as "sacred" because it's not something you get to keep in your nightstand, it's a legal doc.u.ment filed with our governmental agencies that bestow certain rights and privileges to couples who decide to live together and want to become partners in the few decades of life we have on this planet.

    April 17, 2012 at 4:27 am |
    • sam stone

      for me, it is weed

      April 17, 2012 at 6:02 am |
  13. 1word

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hEiGEfm2uE&w=640&h=360]

    I believe you guys need this!

    April 17, 2012 at 4:02 am |
    • sam stone

      I believe you need a rectal lobotomy.

      April 17, 2012 at 7:02 am |
    • Cq

      Do you think YHWH was the first god ever to have a song sung for him?

      April 17, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • mandarax

      Wow, she's got the mind virus real bad. I made it about a minute and a half, and I am absolutely certain this is NOT what I need.

      April 17, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • JesseP

      Yeah, probably not what anyone "needs". But, there's a limit we've not yet reached. When we get there, we may then need God.

      April 17, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • Cq

      JessieP
      You make faith sound like grasping at straws. Billing it as something you'd likely do when you're at your most desperate really doesn't sell it to me.

      April 17, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • 1word

      Is there a God? Yes, can you prove it? Not to you, but you can prove it to yourself. SEEK GOD AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. Read the Book of John become Born Again and come back and tell me if there is a God.

      April 17, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
    • Cq

      1word
      You can prove anything to yourself. It's a little process we like to call "delusion."

      Your argument sounds kinda silly. You're basically saying "Don't believe in God? Well, read this, believe in God, then come back to me and tell me that you don't believe in God!" Well, I've read John. It's too Gnostic, and too far apart from the original Jesus to have any historical value. It is pretty, I'll give you that, but these pretty words only serve to fool people into accepting deeply flawed theology that fails upon close inspection.

      April 18, 2012 at 12:41 am |
  14. GodPot

    "He talked to scholars and historians, digging in on the faith of the Founding Fathers. What he found, he said, is a forgotten historical narrative not taught in schools. Those first principles, as Cameron sees them, are spelled out in a scene depicting a large stone monument near Massachusetts’ Plymouth Rock, the spot memorialized as the place the Pilgrims landed."

    This is hilarious. Kirk here wonders why the religious history of the Pilgrims aka "the Founding Fathers" isn't taught in school. That's because the Pilgrims were not the Founding fathers you idiot. I guess it would be hard for him to sell it as "The religious History of British Colonists" or " The History of religious Brownist English Dissenters".

    "Within the large group known as "the Founding Fathers", there are two key subsets, the Signers (who signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776) and the Framers (who were delegates to the Federal Convention and took part in framing or drafting the proposed Constltution of the United States)"

    April 17, 2012 at 3:48 am |
    • Cq

      Considering how the Pilgrims favored infant baptism, thought Christmas and Easter were human inventions and didn't celebrate them as a result, thought marriage was a completely civil arrangement, and seriously disliked the King James version of the Bible I wonder how many American fundamentalists would even consider them "Christian" these days?

      April 17, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • sam stone

      Come on, Cq: Don't bother Cameron and his sycophants with silly things such as facts. It totally kills their Jeebus buzz.

      April 17, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • Cq

      sam
      They take the whole "Don't let facts get in the way of a good story" thing to heart, I guess?

      April 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Jay

      You Idiots...the pilgrims disagreed with Christmas and Easter due to the pagan insinuations that even in that day were rampant. They didn't like the Queens views on the KJV...as for marriage it was and still is a civil arrangement along with everything else it is to the faithful and God fearing.

      April 17, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Cq

      Jay
      The Pilgrims wouldn't bother to march, or even comment about gay marriage because they didn't see anything religious about it. They gave up on Christmas and Easter altogether, and spoke out against adult baptism. Do you really see them fitting in with evangelicals today? They'd get more tolerant treatment back in England, which is pretty ironic if you happen to think about it.

      April 18, 2012 at 12:27 am |
  15. Barbara Streisand's Old Box

    I gotta pee

    April 17, 2012 at 3:47 am |
  16. ha ha ha ha

    LOL Frank! LOL

    April 17, 2012 at 3:44 am |
  17. Frank Bund

    This article sucks because kirk cameron is in it. What a feminine cleansing product he is. Just squirt that all up in barbara streisand's old box.

    April 17, 2012 at 3:38 am |
    • JesseP

      What you say about him reflects your character and, let me tell you, it doesn't look good.

      April 17, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  18. mcnbvc

    wooo weeee it smells like Christopher Hitchens is barbaquin in hell in here.

    April 17, 2012 at 3:36 am |
    • sam stone

      no, mcnbvc, that is the sound of your myth slowly dying. good riddance

      April 17, 2012 at 6:04 am |
    • Cq

      Are you Jerry Falwell? If anybody knows what actual hellfire must smell and feel like it's that guy.

      April 17, 2012 at 11:14 am |
  19. Never Again...

    "“Fireproof,” a breakout film that shocked the Hollywood establishment when it debuted in the top 10 in its first week and wound up taking in an estimated $33 million."

    My girlfriend said it was a superhero movie, I wanted to see a guy walk through flames, and they didn't even give my money back...

    April 17, 2012 at 3:35 am |
    • mcnbvc

      dumb – -a–s–ss

      April 17, 2012 at 3:39 am |
    • Frank Bund

      That's a lot of dashes in their asshole. Having difficulty typing? Have the Michael J. Fox disease do ya?

      April 17, 2012 at 3:43 am |
    • Matteo

      Frank Bund

      Without the dashes the post is censored..........knucklehead!!!

      April 17, 2012 at 6:33 am |
    • Frank Bund

      See any dashes in my post, you ass?

      Who's the knucklehead now?

      April 17, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • sam stone

      Frankie: The comment was not about your post.

      April 17, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • JesseP

      wow... all daft

      April 17, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
  20. The Lying, The Twitch & A Wardrone

    "The film opens with Lewis sitting on an Adirondack chair in his backyard. Looking gay and silently into the camera, a voice-over of his own voice alerts viewers that the world around him is going to Narnia."

    April 17, 2012 at 3:30 am |
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