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With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist
Kirk Cameron released a documentary in theatres on Friday titled "Monumental."
April 13th, 2012
05:02 PM ET

With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– Kirk Cameron could have joined the ranks of former TV heartthrobs who rode off into the sunset, reappearing only for the occasional reunion show or career-reviving role in a TV drama. Think Ricky Schroder or Scott Baio.

But Cameron, known to millions of Americans as Mike Seaver on the hit ‘80s-era show “Growing Pains,” is carving out a new niche for himself, as an unlikely voice of politically conservative American evangelicals.

Cameron has a new documentary on the faith of America’s founders that arrives in theaters on Friday. He is neither a historian nor theologian, but the film, “Monumental,” shows him consumed with Christianity - and with rage over what he says has been the systematic removal of religion’s role from American history.

The film opens with Cameron sitting on an Adirondack chair in his backyard. Looking straight and silently into the camera, a voice-over of his own voice alerts viewers that the world around him is going to hell.

“There is something seriously sick in the soul of our country,” the voice-over says.

“Don’t worry about the fact the world is going to hell in a hand basket - just get out of the hand basket,” his friends tell him. But Cameron explains that he refuses to listen and instead sets out to make “Monumental: In Search of America’s National Treasure,” which investigates the debate over America’s soul.

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Over the last decade, Cameron has become the wholesome, boyish face of Christian cinema. He starred in “Left Behind,” the low-budget film based on the wildly popular Christian book series.

More recently, he played the lead role in “Fireproof,” a breakout film that shocked the Hollywood establishment when it debuted in the top 10 in its first week and wound up taking in an estimated $33 million. The film was made by Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia, for just over $500,000.

Cameron was one of the only professional actors in the film; the rest were congregants from the church.

Along with such popular movies as Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ,” ”Fireproof” showed the potential for a new market in explicitly Christian films. In the last two years, crossover movies like “Soul Surfer” and “Courageous” have had parallel advertising campaigns targeting churches.

The movement has propelled Cameron back into the spotlight.

“Monumental” is Cameron’s baby. He is its executive producer and its star.

“When I survey the landscape and turn on the news, all signs are saying panic,” Cameron recently said.

“Instead of listening to everyone play the blame game … maybe the best place to look for solutions was to talk to the men and women who built this country 400 years ago and laid the foundations that resulted in a nation that has experienced more blessing and prosperity and strength than any other nation in the world,” he said.

“That launched me on this journey to retrace the Pilgrims and find the sacred sauce.”

In the film, Cameron retraces the Pilgrims’ steps from England to Holland to the New World. He talked to scholars and historians, digging in on the faith of the Founding Fathers.

What he found, he said, is a forgotten historical narrative not taught in schools.

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Those first principles, as Cameron sees them, are spelled out in a scene depicting a large stone monument near Massachusetts’ Plymouth Rock, the spot memorialized as the place the Pilgrims landed.

“Faith in God … produces character, character will produce courage, courage to face the challenges of the day,” Cameron says in the movie, riffing off the Pilgrims’ story.

Cameron teamed with NCM Fathom, a company that streams live events to movie theaters nationwide, like live performances of the Metropolitan Opera and boxing matches, to offer a sneak peek at the film a couple of weekends ago. That debut was emceed by Cameron, featured live performances by Christian bands and was beamed out live on more than 600 screens, grossing $1.23 million, according to NCM and Cameron's publicist.

Kirk Cameron stares at an inscription at the Jefferson Memorial in Washington.

The new documentary has faced criticism for its inclusion of self-taught evangelical Christian historian David Barton.

A favorite among evangelicals for his Christian-centric views of the Founding Fathers and his vast collection of historical documents, Barton is heavily featured in the film.

“The reason I went to go see David Barton is because he owns the largest collection of original source documents from the founding era that I can get my hands on and that you can go and see,” Cameron said.

“When you look at those documents it becomes incredibly clear there has been a lot of cherry picking of the evidence done to support a very particular worldview, and that’s the worldview our children are learning in school and it’s not the full and complete historical record because it doesn’t reflect the faith of our Founding Fathers,” the actor said.

In a version of the film made available for screening and in clips posted online, Barton shows Cameron the “Thompson Hot Press Bible,” which Barton said was printed in 1798 and was funded by 12 signers of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, including John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

“They wanted the word of God out to every family,” Barton says in the clip. “If these guys happen to be Christians it makes a lot of sense.”

Barton then picks up a small rare Bible known as the “Aitken Bible.” “The Bible of the Revolution was printed by the Congress of the United States. So Congress printed the first English Language version of the Bible,” Barton said. He goes on to say the Congress said, “This was a neat edition of the Bible for use in our schools.”

Warren Throckmorton, an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College, a private Christian school in Pennsylvania, has criticized Barton’s version of history and Cameron’s films.

About much of the history featured in the film, Throckmorton said, “That’s just not what happened.”

After seeing clips of the documentary, Throckmorton fact-checked some parts.

He said he found that the “Thompson Hot Press Bible” was not funded in total by 12 Founders. Instead, he said, the Bible was funded by a subscription base of 1,200 customers that included 12 Founding Fathers. “The printers funded that Bible, the Founders didn’t fund it. It was a business venture for them.”

As for the quote Barton attributed to Congress about putting the Bible in schools, it actually came from Robert Aitken’s petition to Congress. Aitken was a colonial printer. The Journals of Congress from 1782 shows Aitken completed the Bible on his own and sought the blessing of Congress.

The record shows a report from two congressional chaplains who examined the work, which they praised.

Congress passed a resolution to recommend “this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States and hereby authorize him to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.” That resolution did not mention it being put in schools.

“David Barton gets the facts wrong when it comes to these two Bibles,” Throckmorton said. “The facts of the case are stretched and embellished to create a narrative that is misleading.”

Cameron defended Barton’s work. “No one is more guilty of cherry picking evidence than those who bow to the god of political correctness, especially historians,” Cameron said. “Everyone is going to select the information that is important to their thesis. If you’re bent on being politically correct, it’s very easy to fall into that trap.”

Throckmorton noted that he and other critics of Barton’s work hail from Christian colleges and universities.

Early controversy surrounding Cameron's comments on social issues have given the film more media coverage than Cameron could have imagined for a small-budget documentary.

Appearing on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight last month, Cameron fielded questions about abortion, gay marriage and what he would do if one of his six children came out to him as gay.

None of the topics appear in the film, but Cameron expressed views on same-sex marriage, abortion and homosexuality that are common among conservative evangelical Christians.

Cameron called homosexuality “unnatural,” adding, “I think that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."

His comments sparked outrage from gay rights groups like GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. The group led a campaign to counter Cameron’s comments with other 1980s TV stars and evangelicals on the other side of the theological spectrum.

GLAAD spotlighted a bevy of celebrities who chided Cameron for his positions on homosexuality, including a tweet from Rosanne Barr, who suggested Cameron was “an accomplice to murder with his hate speech.”

Cameron said his support for traditional marriage is rooted in faith and thinks it should inform policy decisions: “You either believe marriage and human sexuality are sacred or you do not.”

Cameron jokingly described his faith as “high octane” but said he considers himself part of the evangelical Christian tradition. He said he goes to a small nondenominational community church near his home in California, though his publicist later clarified that he is not a member of the church, whose name he would not disclose because of privacy and security concerns.

Cameron said he was caught off guard by the controversy around his comments.

“It is my goal to love everyone. I hate no one,” he said. “Regardless of their race, religion, their proclivities, the desire of their heart and how they want to live their life and the decisions that they make. I can even respect people’s decisions and lifestyle choices just as I hope they have the courtesy to respect my decisions and my choices.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church and state • Religious liberty

soundoff (2,339 Responses)
  1. Doc Ock

    So basically if you are a Jew, Muslim, Bhuddist, Mormon, Agnostic, Atheiest, Gay, believe in science over scripture, then you are on the sin list and are going to hell. Boy...glad ol' kirk cameron is going to set us all straight.

    April 19, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • BRUCE

      I WISH I HAD KIRK WHEN HE WAS YOUNG AND HOT

      April 19, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • W.G.

      One of the requirements is that comic book heroes or villians aren´t real

      April 23, 2012 at 9:23 am |
  2. Trancend

    FOR ME.....PERSONALLY
    I trusted the word of God as the infallable repository of redemptive revelation. Im not trying to Judge anyone.... For myself ...reading the word combined with sincere prayer.... yeilded an unmistakable presence within me of the Holy Spirit. Ive led quite a life of questioning and pushing boundrys... Ive had lots of man made "experiences"... this was different..... Way different....
    I know it's not popular... and some would say fairy tales etc. I've heard it all.... and was once on the other side.( For ME)... It's like seeing a new colour. Cant explain it to anyone else.... and thats the way its meant to be... so that you have the free will to decide to trust Jesus Christ as your saviour. I will say that afterward...the scriptures made sence to me . After God enabled me to Itranscend my own egoistic ordering of the "unknown dark matter" that surrounds us all. . read what I wrote (Trancend) and feel what Im saying without an ego defense.
    Why would someone take such a position unless they were truly changed by Christ. .......All I can say is...Its real.buddy.
    Let go and let god.
    I will not comment again.

    April 19, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • jim

      Sounds like someone's marbles are rolling around on the ground...

      April 19, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  3. Josh

    I love how Kirk is looking out the window at a brick wall. That is where his beliefs will get him.

    April 19, 2012 at 9:21 am |
    • ejdiaz

      Really, Josh? Are you 100% sure of that? Got proof?

      OR ... are your views about the way things are merely faith-based assumptions inadvertently adding up to nothing more than your own religious stance?

      Know yourself, Josh.

      🙂

      April 19, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  4. Seriously

    So is free speech and expressing an opinion only allowed when you agree with the current culture. Why can't we just agree to disagree and be respectful to each other?

    April 19, 2012 at 7:06 am |
    • Primewonk

      “I think that it's unnatural, I think that it's detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization”

      Seems to me that your umbrage over disrespect needs to start with Kirk.

      This being the US, Kirk has every right to spew whatever ignorant opinions he wants. But he – and you – should have no expectation of not being called out over blind ignorance.

      April 19, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • EnjaySea

      There exists no requirement to either respect, nor tolerate hate speech, which is what Cameron has spewed in his interviews. He gave up his respect card when he opened his mouth.

      April 19, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • jim

      You cross the respect line when you take your ignorance and try to weasel it into government, policy and our school curriculum. If you want your kids to grow up ignorant that's your choice, but don't expect we to sit quietly when you want to do the same to mine.

      April 19, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  5. mandarax

    Ever notice how it is usually the ones who can't construct a sound logical argument, and who often can't spell or write clear sentences, that are the most thoroughly convinced of God and Jesus? Makes you wonder if that's more than just a coincidence...

    April 18, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • mandarax

      Bell (2002) reported that 39 out of 43 studies show a negative relationship between IQ and religious belief. Killeen, Wildman and Wildman (1974) found a negative relationship between IQ and superst.itiousness. Alc.ock and Otis (1980) found that belief in paranormal phenomena correlated negatively with critical thinking ability.
      (North American Journal of Psychology / March, 2012)

      Thanks, Jimtanker.

      April 18, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • TruthSpeaker

      Can you really be this ignorant? Benjamin Franklin, CS Lewis, Sir Isaac Newton, Simon Greenleaf et. al. can't construct a sentence, or think logically, or write clearly?

      April 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • mandarax

      Can you really not understand the words "usually" and "often?"

      April 18, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • Nannalow

      Do you just copy and paste this into every article about christianity – TROLL.

      April 18, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • mandarax

      I'm sorry, but I posted the same message twice. The message is on-topic and appropriately in response to other posts. I don't think that qualifies as trolling.

      April 18, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • logan5

      @mandarax
      You are correct! There is zero correlation between intelligence and religious belief. Adhering to a religion does not mean one is intellectually deficient. But it does indicate weak-mindedness and lack of courage and no study is needed to determine that.

      April 18, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • ejdiaz

      Mandarax, and this argument you are perpetuating is a sound and logical one?

      Oh dear.

      April 19, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • mandarax

      What argument are you referring to specifically, and what about it is not logically sound?

      April 19, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • sam stone

      mandarax....seems that way. at least on these blogs. many of the True Believers (TM) are unable to answer simple questions without parroting some scripture.

      April 20, 2012 at 7:56 am |
  6. The Obama Christian Church Worldwide Campaign

    This is the reason why we worship and praise our good christian president Obama and that Obama will be Lord of the world on October 21st of this year. We need to use Obama to restore the traditional dictates of our good Word Of God or the Bible. The Obama Administration will help us christians restore the good morals of christianity which is good. We need to learn the gospels of Obama and Christ to restore the good morals of the world.

    April 18, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
  7. John

    Thank you Kirk for being brave enough to speak the true to a world that has no idea what's going on. Continue being faithful to His Word....you are a hero!

    April 18, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Keep drinking that koolaid.

      April 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • mandarax

      So the whole world has no idea what's going on – but you and Kirk Cameron do. A little egotistical, are we?

      April 18, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • me me me

      FAITH, you either have it or you don't. You either believe in HIM or you don't. Simple. Don't see why people get all hyper about this.

      April 18, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • logan5

      Kirk is not a hero. He promotes and defends a belief system that requires the impressionable weak minds of children in order to endure. There is nothing noble, heroic or admirable about this. He uses his celebrity and tremendous influence to further the cause of his belief system and nothing more. He clearly could give a rats rear about his fellow man. Please refrain from referring to this man as a hero. That is a slap in the face to the real heroes among us!

      April 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • bneasy

      Amen! The Godly will suffer persecution, they say were crazy and Jesus freaks but its ok all we can do is pray for the unsaved that they come to the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ!

      April 18, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • NavyGuy80

      You dare compare this actor to those that defend and give their lives for this country? I don't think so.

      April 19, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • sam stone

      yeah, john....i am sure david duke was a hero to many folks who included white sheets in their wardrobe, or osama bin laden to someone wanting to blow up the WTC. or hitler to the oh-so-proud aryans. don't necessarily make it so

      April 20, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • sam stone

      basically, johnnie boy, bigots are only heros to other bigots. whether they wrap themselves up in a bible, or a white sheet, or a koran, or a swastika

      April 20, 2012 at 7:48 am |
    • sam stone

      gee, bneasy, your persecution complex makes you feel just like jeebus, eh?

      April 20, 2012 at 7:53 am |
  8. Trancend

    Thanks Kirk. Keep it up.

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Trancend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ will result in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Currently.... your constructing your own path that suits your sin lifestyle.

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find a truth you can take with you in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life. You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf, the greatest minds knowledge fate or are eventually plagerzed, your good deeds are forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated, your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over .
    Trancend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Relise your a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent....

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth.

    Sell your cleverness and purchase bewilderment. You don't get what you want you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Down is up. Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.

    Your all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.

    April 18, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Yes, Kirk. Keep it up. Keep showing the world how foolish that your beliefs are and those of the like minded sheeple that believe like you.

      April 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Bizarre

      Trancend [sic],

      "Your all smart people"

      *Your* not!

      April 18, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • mandarax

      "Currently.... your constructing your own path that suits your sin lifestyle."

      Who are you to presume you know anything about my lifestyle or what I'm doing, and to accuse me of sin? What a self-righteous, condescending blowhard.

      ...and before you judge others, learn the difference between "your" and "you're!"

      April 18, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Truth is relative

      I realize that you will likely see this a Satan speaking through me, and for that I am sad. But frankly, your faith works for you and that's great. But it may not work for others. Religion came about because human beings cannot fathom the idea that we won't know what happens after we die. The uncertainty that produces can be terrifying. So its understandable to have a need to "know" what's happening and what will happen when we die. But the truth is, you don't know. You don't know, your pastor doesn't know, the pope doesn't know, nor does an iman, rabbi or shaman. NO ONE KNOWS!!! All religion offers you is a comfort that was created by man. Religion stems from Man's attempt to interpret the natural world around him. It also stems from Man's desire for power and control. To say that everyone is a sinner and that your way is the right way is not only wrong, but frankly, its incredibly arrogant. It is my hope that you do not allow that arrogance to determine how you treat others.

      April 18, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • TruthSpeaker

      Truth is not relative – that argument is made by those unconfortable with the truth. They make up whatever "truth" makes them feel comfortable again – but that's not truth, it's self-delusion.

      April 18, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      "Truth is not relative – that argument is made by those unconfortable with the truth. They make up whatever "truth" makes them feel comfortable again – but that's not truth, it's self-delusion."

      And that , dear people, is THE TRUTH~!

      April 18, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Bizarre

      "They make up whatever "truth" makes them feel comfortable again – but that's not truth, it's self-delusion."

      Precisely what the ancient Hebrew storytellers and the NT writers did to explain the facts of nature surrounding them ("truth"), of which they had no accurate knowledge.

      There is not a shred of verified evidence for the supernatural beings and events in those books.

      April 18, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • logan5

      @Trancend
      You claim society idolizes greed, envy, sloth, pride of life, desire....etc. Now since the majority of Western society is Christian, then this would imply that Christians society is grossly immoral. You can't claim its us non believers since we represent a very small percentage of the population. So shouldn't your message be directed to your fellow Christians and not sound as though you are referring to non believers. Why would you ask your fellow Christians to accept Christ when they no doubt already have.

      April 18, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • Trancend

      You are right .We are all sinners.

      No difference between christian and non christian.

      But with the Holy spirit we have hope through a presence and power that is only explainable to the individual.

      No judging here . Knowing that we are... is the difficult part to accept..

      . Perhaps....Lose the ego...reverse engineer the world in which you live.... and think about what you want ...and whats important to you...lust, power, knowledge, love, family, fame, respect... its all temporal and fleeting. people only realise this when they are about to die. but what if you could overcome the world earlier.... Love Jesus its lasting. Where will your house be in 200 years ...gone...your possessions..... gone...
      I know egoism is hard to break. your holding on to unknown dark matter.... Nobody knows anything except through christ.

      I humbly suggest... to conider...Put your immediate ego reaction away.. I'm telling you the honest truth... It's a personal experience... I used to be a skeptic too ... New age, Kabalism, mystics ...trust me ...evil is real.... and the only reason I'm doing this is to warn you to consider my comments.

      I know people don't like to hear it .. but trusting Jesus as my personal lord and saviour. Worked for me.

      Why would I battle the world preaching the word unless I had a profound experience. ... It's real.

      I will not comment again .
      In Jesus Name I pray that my words my resonate in your heads.

      ... And you are right Ishould be more carefull in my spelling of ... your" and "you're

      April 18, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Yes, Trancend, it is real !

      God bless and keep you!

      April 18, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Cq

      PRISM 1234
      Doesn't your Christian belief make you feel comfortable? 🙂

      April 18, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
  9. Angel

    After reading this article and he comments I still come back to one thing, GOD is real, GOD did create us and the heavens. The Bible states it is sin for a man to lay with a man or a woman to lay with a woman. The mainstream of society would rather read gossip sites or celebrity bull. Honestly, Kirk is speaking out with true belief! Are you all afraid of the truth? We need strong, christian men to lead this country back to our original standards.

    April 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • jimtanker

      You have absolutely NO evidence to support your claims. NONE. If you did then ID would be being taught in school right now.

      April 18, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • mandarax

      Wow, Angel, that's a lot of inaccuracy to pack into one comment, with regard to physics, biology, and US history.

      April 18, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • momoya

      Angel, you do realize that one of our "original standards" was slavery?!?

      April 18, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • Furby

      You believe these things for which there is not and never has been any evidence for two reasons only:

      1. It's what (you believe) is said in the holy book of a Bronze Age people.
      2. Your mommy and daddy and friends believe too.

      Not much of a basis on which to run a country if you ask me. Not that there are not some good things in the Christian religion. But there are plenty of bad things, too, and plenty of things which your leaders have twisted in order to inspire you to hate your fellow Americans. Why do you suppose they do that?

      April 18, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • TruthSpeaker

      Anyone claiming that there is no proof has clearly failed to investigate – the proof is overwhelming. http://www.josh.org/resources/watch-and-listen/is-jesus-really-god/
      http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/

      April 18, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      So I read your second link TruthSpeaker, and found it to be nothing but an exercise in circular logic, enhanced with an unsubstantiated presumption that a deity has to exist in order for logic and reason to exist - complete nonsense from the beginning.

      He then provides two buttons "I believe god exists" and "I don't believe god exists". He fails to provide a button that describes the obvious "I don't believe that god exists, and I don't believe that he doesn't - I only believe that which has been proven, and neither has".

      Then, if you don't click "I believe god exists", he calls you an idiot and says his goodbyes!! Complete, ignorant, simpleton rubbish!

      April 18, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      So, to be fair, I visited your first link as well, TruthSpeaker. This turned out to be nothing but a nice sales pitch for donations, and for selling books. From square one, there is nothing I want to hear from someone who is selling something.

      To be very clear TruthSpeaker, when I refer to evidence, I'm not talking about someone who's able to twist logic into a little bow, and make it "sound" like god must be true. I'm looking for observable, recordable, detectable evidence that this entity you all claim has control over the universe, can indeed affect even one particle contained within that universe.

      Show me the physical evidence of his power to affect matter, and I'll be convinced. I don't need yet another preacher's twisted logic. I've heard every one of those arguments all my life, and they are the opposite of proof - nothing but men jabbering away about what they "believe" to be true. I couldn't care less.

      April 18, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • logan5

      But I'm not Christian! So how do you justify a Christian leader imposing his Christians beliefs and standards on me if I want nothing to do with them. And you guys wonder why your intellect and critical thinking skills are constantly questioned. Then again, what about simple empathy. Please look up that word and consider what it means and how it can be applied to what you posted here.

      April 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Trancend

      We are slaves today. A debtor is a slave and a better is no better. Same thing ...but now you have to search to understand how the economy really works. Maybe its a start for all of us to understand the matrix of deception in which we live.

      April 18, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • Amber

      Here you are, reading an article about a celebrity using his fame to get a message across. If that isn't grossly hypocritical, I don't know what is. Kirk is using his stupid remarks that catapulted him into the spotlight as a marketing strategy for his goofy movie. No one would have cared about this movie if he didn't make such ignorant remarks a few weeks ago.
      And he's trying to get schools to teach kids about what really happened with pilgrims and our founding fathers. Did he remember to include the genocide those people are surely guilty of? I don't think God was happy about his followers killing Native Americans to further benefit themselves. Bible says to not commit murder, right? Ouch. That wasn't very Christian of them.

      April 19, 2012 at 2:50 am |
    • jim

      @Amber. Well it does say not to commit murder but then it also says to stone people to death for being gay or working on the Sabbath. It also says to kill witches, which they seem to be doing according to your great book in Nigeria right now. That's the problem with a life instruction manual that condones all behavior be it good or evil. Let's face it, after 1900 year the instruction manual is obsolete.

      April 19, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • NavyGuy80

      Men wrote the Bible, not God. There is no proof he exists. Our country has grown and changed since we became a country. It's time to move with the changes, especially since one of our goals in our declaration was for everyone to be equal and religious freedom. Let people believe what they want. Keep your views to yourself and stop pressing them on others. Equal rights for ALL men, women, and children.

      April 19, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
  10. jimtanker

    "You're being intolerant and ignorant towards kirk Cameron. Shouldn't you tolerate and respect his opinion even though you disagree? That's what you expect Christians to do to you. You cant have it both ways."

    Absolutely not. There is no way that I need to respect the opinions of, or the person himself, of a biggoted idiot.

    April 18, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • mandarax

      I agree that every human should be treated respectfully. But, no one should ever be required to respect every opinion or belief just because someone holds it to be true. Should I be required to respect the opinions of white supremacists? Should I be required to patiently respect the opinions of pedophiles? Absolutely not. Wrong ideas do not need to be treated with respect.

      Kirk Cameron's beliefs concerning history and biology are factually incorrect. To promote them as true anyway is morally wrong. I am not obligated to tolerate or respect that.

      April 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Jimtaker, where in any of Kirk Cameron words and conduct do you see bigotry?
      is it just the fact that he is speaking with conviction, saying what is right and what is wrong, an what we as country and society need the most?
      Is it this thing about "ga'ys"that is the thorn in your side? It seems that this in itself is one of the biggest reasons of such out lash. But being bitter and hateful toward someone, just because he is speaking the truth, is very ugly and is also self destructive. H-se'xual lifestyle will never be right, no matter how many people endorse it, even if there is none left on the earth who don't!....
      Now, I have no hate for the people who practice it, just like the doctor who tells a smoker that if he does not quit he will die, who is only speaking the truth to him.... What's wrong is wrong, and what's destructive is destructive. Why is this so hard to understand? We were meant to live by certain natural laws, and if we deviate from them, we hurt ourselves and all around us. It effects everyone. Even the nature itself tells you, that when you mess with things in nature, you upset its course. Nothing is without consequences.
      So, don't demonize the man who is standing up for what is true and right, and what all generations of people before us knew. You did not surpass them in knowledge, in fact they were far better of then we are today! if there is no one to warn this generation of people where we are heading, we will not be without guilt before the future generations! But then the question is, who cares? How much do you?

      April 18, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer really changes things .

    April 18, 2012 at 6:25 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!.!.!

      April 18, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • jimtanker

      Prayer and testing

      http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6894/is_1_14/ai_n58571135/

      April 18, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • just sayin

      Prayer is evidence of psychosis

      April 18, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • just sayin

      Prayer is the lifeline of communication with God. Prayer changes things. God bless

      April 18, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Prayer is the lifeline of communication with God. Prayer changes things"

      No it doesn't. Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!.!.!~

      April 19, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Unfortunately, it does not change your postings.

      April 19, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • NavyGuy80

      How does prayer change anything? Prayer didn't stop planes from crashing into two buildings a few years ago. Prayer hasn't help stop electing democrats. Prayer hasn't given everyone equal rights. How is prayer helping you?

      April 19, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
  12. Reality

    Dear Kirk,

    AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD–

    Joe Smith had his Moroni as does M. Romney.

    "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

    Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

    Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

    Jesus and his family (and Obama and his family) had/have Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

    The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

    Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

    Some added references to "tink-erbells".

    newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

    "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
    Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

    "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

    And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

    "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

    "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

    "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

    For added information see the review at:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

    April 17, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • .....

      This bull sh it doesn't even have anything to do with this story. Hit report abuse on it and all reality posts

      April 18, 2012 at 7:05 am |
    • God doesn't believe in Athiests

      Are you commenting on the wrong story? Didn't make sense.

      April 18, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • Reality

      Nothing I say makes sense.

      April 18, 2012 at 9:16 am |
    • Reality

      The last comment from "Reality" was not from the original Reality.

      And the comments about being a victim of the infamous angel con are very appropriate when the history of Christianity is being discussed. " He (Cameron) is neither a historian nor theologian, but the film, “Monumental,” shows him consumed with Christianity – and with rage over what he says has been the systematic removal of religion’s role from American history."

      April 18, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • momoya

      Not existent beings don't think anything about atheists or anything else since they're non-existent.. Why does bible god allow evidence for atheists' existence but not his own?

      April 18, 2012 at 11:49 am |
  13. 1word

    I'm going to break it down for the nonbelievers and all the other religions out there. By Atom and Eve sinning it caused sin to come into the world, everyone after them had sin in them because of this curse. God came down as Jesus Christ to take away the Sins of the world by giving his Life as a ransom for many. You have to sacrifice your life back to God to earn the promise. By Sincerely Accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. This means you have to be Born again and be given the gift of the Holy Spirit. So if Muslims don't have the Holy Spirit or any other religion then your religion is VAIN. That's the truth I know this to be true because I have the Holy Spirit in me and I know how it changed my life. Seek the Truth and it will consume YOU!

    April 17, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • ScienceSoma

      So, you think billions of human beings on this planet should believe in nonsense because of a story and a funny feeling you have? If you have any actual objective evidence for this claim, I will be the first to surrender myself to the god you prove is real. In the mean time, I simply ask that you show proof for such a claim.

      April 17, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Balls Deep

      Thanks for the laugh 1word. Maybe one day you'll sit down and read that shit bible of yours and see all the contradictions in it. According the bible, jesus should have come back about 2,000 years ago. It's in the bible for christ's sake. I bet you didn't know that though.

      April 18, 2012 at 12:57 am |
    • jdiver

      yeah. None of that actually happened.

      April 18, 2012 at 1:46 am |
    • sam stone

      1word: "Atom and Eve? Now we know this person is a troll.

      April 18, 2012 at 3:51 am |
    • 1word

      Balls Deep
      I'll pray for you to come around, when you die, you will be the one wishing you took heed to what we've been trying to tell you. Contradictions? I have went over the Bible plenty of times and I must have missed the contradictions you're claiming. 1 year in Heaven with God is like 1000 years on earth.

      2 Peter 3:8
      King James Version (KJV)

      8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

      April 18, 2012 at 7:31 am |
    • 1word

      ScienceSoma
      I gave you the blueprint, pick up the Bible and read it allow God to change your heart and you will prove it to yourself. I don't have to prove it to anyone. I've been made a new Creature by the Word of God and I stand on that. I wasn't just like you, but I wasn't into Worshipping God like I do now, until I was broken and I had no choice. I just hope your breaking moment isn't one that totally changes the way you live. I was lucky, I didn't lose any family members or sustained any injury my breaking moment really touched my heart and it changed my life.

      April 18, 2012 at 7:35 am |
    • mandarax

      You know, 1word, to an objective reader those kinds of stories sound like people behaving irrationally due to psychological distress. In other words, when things are smooth and your mental health is good, you have no need for desperate pleading to an invisible magical force, but when your world, and your mental health, get severely shaken up your mind goes to desperate extremes to self-soothe. Our culture provides a ready-made magic force to appeal to (God, you'll find different ones in different cultures), and given the right conditions your brain (and it IS your brain, not your heart. Your heart is a muscle that pumps blood) will jump to that ready-made conclusion in a misguided attempt to regain order.

      April 18, 2012 at 9:04 am |
    • LordEarlGray

      First of all it's Adam NOT Atom which refers to physics and not religion. Second, the books of the Bible have numerous conflicting stories about everything and were written down hundreds of years after the events they purport to portray. AND, I might add, the writings about Adam and Eve and Noah and the flood are a rewrite of more ancient tales which appeared a thousand years before these things were cherry-picked for the Bible. So please, don't try to clear things up for us any further.

      April 18, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • momoya

      @Science Soma
      .
      LOL!! Great response.
      .
      .
      @1word
      .
      Mathematics and chemistry are easily understood according to their processes; people of all different god beliefs use math and chemistry the exact same way.. Why doesn't the bible provide a similar method?. In other words, why can so many christians disagree on every issue and claim that scripture proves their viewpoint as correct?. Why doesn't the bible provide a "self-checking" mechanism like math provides us?. If we get the combination wrong in chemistry, the new compound won't work..

      Why is it that no christian can ever know if his interpretation of a scripture is correct by a similar process to chemistry?. How can your god communicate the rules of math and chemistry so well but communicate about himself so poorly that every believer believes however he feels is right since there is no way to know if he is correct?

      April 18, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • Furby

      Who is this "Atom" you speak of? Atom Ant? Captain Atom?

      If "Atom" and Eve brought sin into the world, it was at the behest of their maker, who by definition knows everything, and who obviously wanted there to be sin in the world.

      So...let me see if I have this straight: God created sin. But then decided he didn't like it. So he transformed himself into a human baby, and let his creations kill him so they wouldn't be sinful? Makes sense. NOT. LOL

      April 18, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • 1word

      LordEarlGray
      LOL you're upset I am providing your people with the truth and it will eventually sink in. Yes the Bible says Adam but Atom could also be the name gave him. Since you're a science Buff you do know that we're made of atoms. So being that God is ALL KNOWING and SO AWESOME! I would say he named him ATOM not adam! He knew Science before Science Knew Science. LOL

      April 18, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • 1word

      Furby
      Tisk Tisk, It's all part of Gods plan. Yes he hates sin and he created it. In order for God to build his kingdom he's building it with people who can live right although there is sin in the world. This world is basically a test, he planned everything perfectly and it fits if you really think about it. God created man and gave him a soul, man ate off the tree of knowledge and caused them to know good and evil. It wasn't meant to be that way it but evil caused Eve to disobey God. Gods thoughts is above our thoughts, so I'm not going to try to understand why he did it, but I'm GLAD HE DID! GLORY BE TO GOD!

      April 18, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Furby

      Not trying to be nasty...but... It's hard for me to believe a person who is unable to demonstrate a knowledge of the basic rules of grammar, punctuation, and spelling knows the mind of God.

      What you know is what you've read in the book of myths of a Bronze Age people. And what you've been told by your holy men, all too many of whom are only interested in gaining power over you and relieving you of your money. Shame.

      April 18, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      "Not trying to be nasty...but... It's hard for me to believe a person who is unable to demonstrate a knowledge of the basic rules of grammar, punctuation, and spelling knows the mind of God."
      Well, maybe God is testing your heart, to expose what is in it, because it is far more important to Him then someone's spelling. In fact, He did say that those who profess themselves to be wise, become fools, because they deny the wisdom of God, going about establishing their own. To them He gives the spirit of stupor so that they walk in darkness, leaning on their own understanding, ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of truth. Something to really think about!
      By thw way, don't bash my english language, it isn't my native..... I dare any of you speak adnf spell mine the way I speak and spell yours!

      April 18, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      1Word
      God did not create sin, Lucifer con'ceived it in his own heart, because of pride in his heart. That's why he was cast out , taking multi'tude of angelic beings who followed him....
      But that's the story of mankind also..... PRIDE in human heart is what damns human souls and separates them from God.

      April 18, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Rich

      @1 word:2 Peter 3:8
      King James Version (KJV) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

      So i guess that means that 6 days is with the Lord as 4.54 billion years, and 4.54 billion years as 6 days. See, believing in God and understanding evolution are not mutually exclusive.

      April 18, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • 1word

      Thanks PRISM 1234. You're correct Lucipher did rebel against God due to his Pride in his heart.

      Isaiah 45:7
      King James Version (KJV)

      7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

      April 19, 2012 at 12:20 am |
  14. allah

    Enjaysea.......can't you see your own hypocracy? You're being intolerant and ignorant towards kirk Cameron. Shouldn't you tolerate and respect his opinion even though you disagree? That's what you expect Christians to do to you. You cant have it both ways.

    April 17, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • AGuest9

      The postings of the christians on this board point out the level of hypocrisy in their belief system. They have no problem lying and impersonating other people to make their pathetic points.

      April 17, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      You're completely mistaken, allah. As in, I think you're talking about someone else, not me. I haven't actually posted a single thing describing my impressions of Kirk Cameron.

      April 18, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • EnjaySea

      I found the post you were talking about allah. I was replying to a poster who was exhibiting hatred towards gays. Although I could say the same for Kirk Cameron, since he expounds the same hatred, in this case it was a poster I was responding to.

      Either way, I have no obligation whatsoever to "respect" the opinions of people who hate in the name of their lord and saviour. Intolerance of people's "words", and intolerance for people themselves for something they have no control over - their very nature - are two COMPLETELY different things.

      I won't be bullied into tolerating hatred, but thanks for trying.

      April 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
  15. Reality

    ok. I actually do realize that Jesus christ is Lord. I just say all that stupid stuff to get everyone talking.

    April 17, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Reality

      Also, Kirk Cameron is right about.

      April 17, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • Reality

      Not from the original Reality.

      April 17, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
  16. bj412

    As a gay man, I don't like what Cameron says, I don't agree with what he says, but he has a right to say it. However, that does not mean everything he says is true and factual, or that you should not refute what he says if you disagree with it. However, disagree with what he said, and not him personally. Tolerance is not something we can claim we possess, when we only have it for people who agree with us.

    April 17, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • james

      As a Christian,what a breath of fresh air.I wish all could be as.tolerant as you are.

      April 17, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • sam stone

      including yourself, james?

      April 18, 2012 at 3:57 am |
    • logan5

      @bj412
      A person is defined by how they think and how they act out those thoughts. How can you expect people to disagree with a person's opinions and not disagree with the person as well, they are one and the same. What you are saying makes no sense and whats worse is that you are defending someone who would strip you of your equitable rights in a heart beat and not lose a nights sleep over it. This man considers you an "abomination." Try not to hate on yourself so much dude. Don't roll over to bigots like Cameron.

      April 18, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
      • bj412

        America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest.

        I suggest you rent a copy of The American President (1995) you can find out why is it necessary to allow people like Cameron to speak freely.

        April 24, 2012 at 2:35 am |
  17. bj412

    Kirk, I don't know how many straight men would pose nude for a photo like this

    April 17, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
  18. just sayin

    A talented and gifted artist with strong moral convictions. What is not to like concerning Kirk Cameron. God bless Mr. Cameron

    April 17, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      How about the fact that he is a self-righteous, proslethizing idiot with absolutely no credentials with which this "film" could be considered anything except opinion.

      April 17, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • just sayin

      Do not see any facts in your opinion. God bless

      April 17, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • mandarax

      or, how about the fact that he is using his meager celebrity status to mislead people about history, and before that to mislead people to an even greater degree about biology. There is nothing noble about peddling misinformation in support of any agenda.

      April 17, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • just sayin

      Qu-eers peddle lies as facts all the time . Is it wrong for them? God bless

      April 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Wow, @just sayin! You were able to summarize intolerance, ignorance and faith all in 25 words or less. God damn

      April 17, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • allah

      @hawaiiguest......isn't every film someones opinion? Did you run out of something intelligent to say?

      April 17, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • sam stone

      allah: not all films are someone's opinion. some are fictional, not passed off as fact

      April 18, 2012 at 3:59 am |
    • just sayin

      I wish I would read my own words and apply it to myself.
      .
      just sayin

      Do not see any facts in your opinion. God bless

      April 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • just sayin

      I also like to see myself lying down with Jesus like his Apostles did with him. God Bless

      April 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    April 17, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!.!.

      April 17, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Intolerance is not healthy for children and other living things

      Okay, I'll feed the troll. Let's say that if I get on my knees and talk to my ceiling fan, that something will happen. So what? How does it benefit you to "spread tidings of great joy" about how powerful my ceiling fan is?

      Where's your pay off? How do you benefit from the fact that now I talk to myself every day? What did that do for you?

      Don't answer that.

      April 17, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • just sayin

      Oh.... you go boy!, you little bundle of joy, @atheism! God bless

      April 17, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      This post, and the three replies above, if posted repeatedly every day for the next ten thousand years... will have a neutral effect on the universe and the people that live in it.

      April 17, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven
      Powerful

      April 17, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • M.F. Luder

      Come to think of it, you haven't proven a single thing in any of your posts.

      April 17, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • just sayin

      Prayer gets me hot and bothered. God Bless

      April 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Danny

      Just constantly saying (and posting) the same bland statement ("Prayer changes things") doesn't make it true. In fact... (now that I think about it) the same can be said of prayer itself!

      April 18, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  20. CommonSensed

    We're giving this whacko born-again the time of day much less media coverage? Wow...this should be in the comedy section.

    April 17, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • just sayin

      Agreed, he is truly a fruit loop in the head. God Bless

      April 18, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
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