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With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist
Kirk Cameron released a documentary in theatres on Friday titled "Monumental."
April 13th, 2012
05:02 PM ET

With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– Kirk Cameron could have joined the ranks of former TV heartthrobs who rode off into the sunset, reappearing only for the occasional reunion show or career-reviving role in a TV drama. Think Ricky Schroder or Scott Baio.

But Cameron, known to millions of Americans as Mike Seaver on the hit ‘80s-era show “Growing Pains,” is carving out a new niche for himself, as an unlikely voice of politically conservative American evangelicals.

Cameron has a new documentary on the faith of America’s founders that arrives in theaters on Friday. He is neither a historian nor theologian, but the film, “Monumental,” shows him consumed with Christianity - and with rage over what he says has been the systematic removal of religion’s role from American history.

The film opens with Cameron sitting on an Adirondack chair in his backyard. Looking straight and silently into the camera, a voice-over of his own voice alerts viewers that the world around him is going to hell.

“There is something seriously sick in the soul of our country,” the voice-over says.

“Don’t worry about the fact the world is going to hell in a hand basket - just get out of the hand basket,” his friends tell him. But Cameron explains that he refuses to listen and instead sets out to make “Monumental: In Search of America’s National Treasure,” which investigates the debate over America’s soul.

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Over the last decade, Cameron has become the wholesome, boyish face of Christian cinema. He starred in “Left Behind,” the low-budget film based on the wildly popular Christian book series.

More recently, he played the lead role in “Fireproof,” a breakout film that shocked the Hollywood establishment when it debuted in the top 10 in its first week and wound up taking in an estimated $33 million. The film was made by Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia, for just over $500,000.

Cameron was one of the only professional actors in the film; the rest were congregants from the church.

Along with such popular movies as Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ,” ”Fireproof” showed the potential for a new market in explicitly Christian films. In the last two years, crossover movies like “Soul Surfer” and “Courageous” have had parallel advertising campaigns targeting churches.

The movement has propelled Cameron back into the spotlight.

“Monumental” is Cameron’s baby. He is its executive producer and its star.

“When I survey the landscape and turn on the news, all signs are saying panic,” Cameron recently said.

“Instead of listening to everyone play the blame game … maybe the best place to look for solutions was to talk to the men and women who built this country 400 years ago and laid the foundations that resulted in a nation that has experienced more blessing and prosperity and strength than any other nation in the world,” he said.

“That launched me on this journey to retrace the Pilgrims and find the sacred sauce.”

In the film, Cameron retraces the Pilgrims’ steps from England to Holland to the New World. He talked to scholars and historians, digging in on the faith of the Founding Fathers.

What he found, he said, is a forgotten historical narrative not taught in schools.

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Those first principles, as Cameron sees them, are spelled out in a scene depicting a large stone monument near Massachusetts’ Plymouth Rock, the spot memorialized as the place the Pilgrims landed.

“Faith in God … produces character, character will produce courage, courage to face the challenges of the day,” Cameron says in the movie, riffing off the Pilgrims’ story.

Cameron teamed with NCM Fathom, a company that streams live events to movie theaters nationwide, like live performances of the Metropolitan Opera and boxing matches, to offer a sneak peek at the film a couple of weekends ago. That debut was emceed by Cameron, featured live performances by Christian bands and was beamed out live on more than 600 screens, grossing $1.23 million, according to NCM and Cameron's publicist.

Kirk Cameron stares at an inscription at the Jefferson Memorial in Washington.

The new documentary has faced criticism for its inclusion of self-taught evangelical Christian historian David Barton.

A favorite among evangelicals for his Christian-centric views of the Founding Fathers and his vast collection of historical documents, Barton is heavily featured in the film.

“The reason I went to go see David Barton is because he owns the largest collection of original source documents from the founding era that I can get my hands on and that you can go and see,” Cameron said.

“When you look at those documents it becomes incredibly clear there has been a lot of cherry picking of the evidence done to support a very particular worldview, and that’s the worldview our children are learning in school and it’s not the full and complete historical record because it doesn’t reflect the faith of our Founding Fathers,” the actor said.

In a version of the film made available for screening and in clips posted online, Barton shows Cameron the “Thompson Hot Press Bible,” which Barton said was printed in 1798 and was funded by 12 signers of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, including John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

“They wanted the word of God out to every family,” Barton says in the clip. “If these guys happen to be Christians it makes a lot of sense.”

Barton then picks up a small rare Bible known as the “Aitken Bible.” “The Bible of the Revolution was printed by the Congress of the United States. So Congress printed the first English Language version of the Bible,” Barton said. He goes on to say the Congress said, “This was a neat edition of the Bible for use in our schools.”

Warren Throckmorton, an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College, a private Christian school in Pennsylvania, has criticized Barton’s version of history and Cameron’s films.

About much of the history featured in the film, Throckmorton said, “That’s just not what happened.”

After seeing clips of the documentary, Throckmorton fact-checked some parts.

He said he found that the “Thompson Hot Press Bible” was not funded in total by 12 Founders. Instead, he said, the Bible was funded by a subscription base of 1,200 customers that included 12 Founding Fathers. “The printers funded that Bible, the Founders didn’t fund it. It was a business venture for them.”

As for the quote Barton attributed to Congress about putting the Bible in schools, it actually came from Robert Aitken’s petition to Congress. Aitken was a colonial printer. The Journals of Congress from 1782 shows Aitken completed the Bible on his own and sought the blessing of Congress.

The record shows a report from two congressional chaplains who examined the work, which they praised.

Congress passed a resolution to recommend “this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States and hereby authorize him to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.” That resolution did not mention it being put in schools.

“David Barton gets the facts wrong when it comes to these two Bibles,” Throckmorton said. “The facts of the case are stretched and embellished to create a narrative that is misleading.”

Cameron defended Barton’s work. “No one is more guilty of cherry picking evidence than those who bow to the god of political correctness, especially historians,” Cameron said. “Everyone is going to select the information that is important to their thesis. If you’re bent on being politically correct, it’s very easy to fall into that trap.”

Throckmorton noted that he and other critics of Barton’s work hail from Christian colleges and universities.

Early controversy surrounding Cameron's comments on social issues have given the film more media coverage than Cameron could have imagined for a small-budget documentary.

Appearing on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight last month, Cameron fielded questions about abortion, gay marriage and what he would do if one of his six children came out to him as gay.

None of the topics appear in the film, but Cameron expressed views on same-sex marriage, abortion and homosexuality that are common among conservative evangelical Christians.

Cameron called homosexuality “unnatural,” adding, “I think that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."

His comments sparked outrage from gay rights groups like GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. The group led a campaign to counter Cameron’s comments with other 1980s TV stars and evangelicals on the other side of the theological spectrum.

GLAAD spotlighted a bevy of celebrities who chided Cameron for his positions on homosexuality, including a tweet from Rosanne Barr, who suggested Cameron was “an accomplice to murder with his hate speech.”

Cameron said his support for traditional marriage is rooted in faith and thinks it should inform policy decisions: “You either believe marriage and human sexuality are sacred or you do not.”

Cameron jokingly described his faith as “high octane” but said he considers himself part of the evangelical Christian tradition. He said he goes to a small nondenominational community church near his home in California, though his publicist later clarified that he is not a member of the church, whose name he would not disclose because of privacy and security concerns.

Cameron said he was caught off guard by the controversy around his comments.

“It is my goal to love everyone. I hate no one,” he said. “Regardless of their race, religion, their proclivities, the desire of their heart and how they want to live their life and the decisions that they make. I can even respect people’s decisions and lifestyle choices just as I hope they have the courtesy to respect my decisions and my choices.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church and state • Religious liberty

soundoff (2,339 Responses)
  1. PRISM 1234

    The simple and very obvious truth is, that no matter how Christian presents his/her case, he will be hated and labeled as a bigot. This story is definitely proof of it. The reason of it is that those who oppose the laws of God which are written on every human conscience, love their own ways and they DON"T WANT limitations on their "freedom " to practice them.
    When founding fathers wrote consti'tut'ion they wanted to make sure that freedoms of ordinary people were protected. But they wrote it in context of their own view of what they knew is right and wrong. They never in their furthest imaginations could have conceived that one day the very things they wrote will be twisted and used to promoted lawlessness and ungodliness.
    Because the corruption of human character we are witnessing in our days would have been to those people unimaginable! Even this in itself is just a confirmation of the fact in what times we're living in , in view of God's time table! I'm glad He won't allow it to go on forever!

    April 24, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • sam stone

      PRISM: Blah, Blah, Blah...your empty proxy warnings are laughable.

      April 24, 2012 at 11:11 am |
  2. Marcus P Squeezum

    Obviously Cameron is speaking the truth. Even in the Bible, prohets were laughed at, ridiculed and some were murdered for their Godly beliefs. One thing in this life is that is very predidictable is the reaction of mankind towards those speaking the truth.

    April 24, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • sam stone

      One thing in this life is that is very predidictable is the arrogance of man thinking he has access to the objective truth.

      April 24, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      @ Marcus

      You are exactly right!

      April 24, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • sam stone

      Thanks, PRISM, for proving my point

      April 24, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      .......very predictable is the arrogance of man thinking he has access to the objective truth.
      You're right:TRUTH IS OBJEECTIVE, but if you don't agree with it, you deny it exists, or you swear no one can know it!

      Oh, the lame claims and twisted logic of those who hate the Truth, conspiring to dethrone it from its lofty high place!
      You are caught in your own web, that's spinning tighter and tighter around you! You think that the Truth is so illusive that no one can know it? That is because you deny the One who is the author of it!
      He gives to every (hu)man equal chance to know Him, and His truth. Yet those who hate the truth run from it, because of what is in their hearts which they won't let go of it.
      So, they will deny it even exists. But whatsoever man sows he shall also reap! Have your way, for you have Today. But tomorrow is in the hand of One whom you hate, and therefore deny! You can't change that fact! Or do you think you can?

      April 24, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • sam stone

      truth may very well be objective, but to CLAIM that you have the objective truth stinks of arrogance.

      "Have your way, for you have Today. But tomorrow is in the hand of One whom you hate, and therefore deny! You can't change that fact!"

      Like many of the followers of Jeebus, you seem to have a real issue with confusing opinions and fact.

      Okay, bloviate on, if it makes you feel all pious.

      April 24, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  3. You're mistaking!

    "There is something seriously sick in the soul of our country alright and it isMORONS like THIS guy."

    What this guy said is no other then truth!
    If you think people like this guy are the cause of what's wrong in this country, let time pass and see where this country will be when those who believe humans have no souls are done with it!

    April 24, 2012 at 9:53 am |
    • sam stone

      "What this guy said is no other then truth!"

      Everybody's got an opinion. This is Kirk's

      April 24, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • You're mistaking

      If you can drag the truth to the level of "just being one's opinion" then you must have no ability to recognize it. But why don't you – that's again another story!

      April 24, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • sam stone

      So, you feel that your "truth" is more valid than other people's truths?

      April 24, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • You're mistaking

      There is only one truth. Anything else measured against it and found lacking, is just an opinion.

      Opinions are of no value if they are out of agreement with truth.

      You must think, if you claim that "no one can know it", that you're being excused in denying it.

      But you are only deceiving yourself!

      April 24, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • sam stone

      "There is only one truth. Anything else measured against it and found lacking, is just an opinion"

      Again, why do you feel that you have the objective truth?

      April 24, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • You're mistaking

      "why do you feel that you have the objective truth"
      I don't "have it"........ No one "has it" .Objective truth is not ours to "possess" It is always there, it exists, whether we recognize it and accept it or not. We were all born with ability to recognize it with our intellects and through what is imprinted on our consciences. But through the deceitfulness of our human hearts we harden our consciences, and deaden them to the truth. Then we pretend it's not possible for us to know it. But deep down inside we DO KNOW IT!

      April 24, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • sam stone

      you are quibbling with words. what makes you think you know the objective truth? are you claiming that those born in other cultures, with other gods, have "harden(ed) our consciences, and deaden them to the truth" perhaps they feel the same about those who do not worship their culture's gods

      April 24, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
  4. nowayjesus212

    How funny. He's staring at the Jefferson Memorial, the same man who coined the term separation of church and state. The same man who declared that priests were the enemy of freedom. I'm sure the Sage of Monticello would not be amused by Cameron's presence.

    April 24, 2012 at 9:35 am |
  5. mark

    There is something seriously sick in the soul of our country alright and it isMORONS like THIS guy.

    April 24, 2012 at 6:10 am |
  6. Robin

    If more Christians had the boldness that Kirk Cameron has we'd do as the apostles did after the resurrection of Christ for many years...turn this world upside down and back to the Living God who created us for His glory, in His image and in His likeness. Kudos Kirk. I only pray that many will come to know the Truth you stand for, but will embrace the truth of the history of our great Nation.

    April 24, 2012 at 5:42 am |
    • Kebos

      No, they'd turn the world into an extremism that is worse than anything seen in the Middle East. Cameron is a goof. A young earther. Unfounded beliefs. Pure and simple, a whacko.

      April 24, 2012 at 6:09 am |
    • sam stone

      No, Robin....we don't need more bigots

      April 24, 2012 at 6:28 am |
    • sam stone

      created us for his glory? and you want to worship his p-r-i-c-k?

      April 24, 2012 at 6:30 am |
    • sam stone

      his = this

      but i suppose it would work either way

      April 24, 2012 at 6:30 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      "No, Robin....we don't need more bigots"
      And you don't see yourself being one?! LOL! ......it's written allover your posts, sam stone!

      April 24, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • Primewonk

      Robin seems to think that the US is a theocracy. It isn't. I wonder why they think this way?

      April 24, 2012 at 10:03 am |
    • sam stone

      PRISM: Infer whatever you wish from my posts. Have a bit of a persecution complex?

      April 24, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • sam stone

      Robin: You speak of wanting the country to get back to god. When was it that we were this moral shangri-la you point to? When other human beings could be owned? When women had less civil rights? When we dropped the atomic bomb? Tell us of your fantasy, Robin

      April 24, 2012 at 11:18 am |
  7. t3chn0ph0b3

    Eric Roberts needs to become an activist of some sort. Then he, too, can get an article written about him.

    April 23, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
  8. cj

    I would like to compliment the author and CNN on a fair and balanced piece. More like this, and your ratings will go up.

    April 23, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
  9. 1tonks

    Cameron should read the other article on this blog about the four big myths on Revelation!!! And then, he should properly learn how to interpret Scripture so he quits spreading lies like every other evangelical. There was a reason why uneducated men shouldn't interpret Scripture once the Gutenberg Bible was published...and now you see all the weird pseudo-religions we have. You can't interpret Scripture without understanding the context, who wrote it, why they wrote it and in relation to what events were going on at the time to get the message. Heads up, dinosaurs existed (not with men), the world wasn't made in seven days, (they didn't even have the Roman calendar at that time...), Jesus was actually born in June, Revelation is not a historical fact, 666 stood for Nero (not the devil) and the first miracle was turning water into wine; that's right, because the water itself wasn't filtered!!!

    April 23, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @1tonks
      You have made a mockery of the Word of God. But take heed, because God will not be mocked! He will have the LAST WORD!

      April 24, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • YeahRight

      "You have made a mockery of the Word of God."

      Oh please the bible has been proven not to be an historical book, if it's the word of God than your God did a shity job.

      April 24, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • sam stone

      PRISM: Your "god" will certainly be mocked. "He" is impotent, and all those mouthing proxy threats are clowns.

      April 24, 2012 at 11:21 am |
  10. Solitairedog

    Another failed actor looking for a quick buck feeding off the usual hate, fear and bigotry on the right. Ordainment next, then the money is tax free.

    April 23, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  11. ToyJustice

    “It is my goal to love everyone. I hate no one,” he said. “Regardless of their race, religion, their proclivities, the desire of their heart and how they want to live their life and the decisions that they make. I can even respect people’s decisions and lifestyle choices just as I hope they have the courtesy to respect my decisions and my choices.”

    AMEN!!!

    April 23, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • sam stone

      "I can even respect people’s decisions and lifestyle choices just as I hope they have the courtesy to respect my decisions and my choices.”

      Apparently, Kirk feels that orientation is a choice.

      So, we should respect his bigotry?

      April 23, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Rose B.

      It is not possible to respect others and their decisions while you are being so critical of them. He has no respect if he is making people wrong for being who they are. It is called persecution. The bible says 'live and let live'. This does not mean everyone has to be Christian. Pushy Christians forget this while they are forcing their religion upon others. The founders knew better. They realized that our country is based only partially on religious freedom. I should know, as I am descended from some of them. This includes the freedom from religion!

      April 24, 2012 at 6:58 am |
    • Primewonk

      He also said, “I think that it's unnatural, I think that it's detrimental and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization”.

      Being born gay is not choice. Kirk purposefully chooses to be ignorant.

      April 24, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • sam stone

      primewonk: he is just playing to his audience

      April 24, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
  12. Max Powers

    "Emerges?" Cameron has been a Christian activist for years. I think it's funny that the zealots like to cling to his 15 minutes of fame in the secular world.

    April 23, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  13. W.G.

    To all the Atheists and " alternatively Perverse" out there Cameron was asked a personal question on belief
    by a show host that wouldn´t know Jesus if he tripped over him . He saked Cameron about if he believed
    what it says in the Bible pertaining to the , shall we say " alternative perverse " he said he did but unlike you
    Bigots out there He never sais he hated the People he said he disaproved of the sin . But the thing that gets me is
    these things are written in the TORAH ! So go hate the JEWS ! This little nugget of truth was revealed to them first !
    You have to wonder about people who define themselves by what they slurp on in bed !

    April 23, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • sam stone

      “I think that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."

      Yeah, nothing bigoted about that.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • sam stone

      w.g.: as opposed to those who define themselves by what god they follow?

      April 23, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      Well the torah is accepted as Christian Canon so your point is that the Jews did it first we just agree with them. I don't hate christians I just think their beliefs are incredibly delusional, same goes for all religion incluing the Jews. But I don't see Jews go on talk shows calling other people perverse and saying their actions are destroying society, Notice how Kirk made a huge claim that the 'aternative perverse' are destroying society but it was just a claim, there was no information to back it up, no statistics, no facts....nothing. And there lies the problem, you religious nuts don't need facts or truth, you make claims and call it truth. Name one thing ANY religion has ever proven true? You can't.

      April 23, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      You've made your hatred very clear, W.G.. Thanks for being transparent. But after a comment like that, to call anyone else a bigot, is to say the least, fantastically ironic.

      April 23, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • sam stone

      You got to realize that W.G., Kirk, and all the True Believers (TM) do not need facts, all they need to do is bloviate. After all, they are the ones who speak for god. Must make them feel incredibly fvcking pious

      April 23, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • sam stone

      w.g.: orientation is not a choice. therefore, you are not disapproving of the "sin", you are disapproving of the person based on something in which they had no choice. that is what makes you (and Kirk) a bigot. wrap youself in a bible if it makes you feel good, but it is still bigotry

      April 23, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Solitairedog

      "slurp on in bed?" you are a little sickie aren't ya?

      April 23, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
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    April 23, 2012 at 7:18 am |
  15. Nate (Seattle, WA)

    Kirk Cameron is not an unlikely voice of politically conservative American evangelicals. He's famous, dim-witted, unempathetic, and simple-minded.

    This makes him the perfect voice for the Christian right.

    April 22, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • mandarax

      Being white and male doesn't hurt either.

      April 22, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Scott

      Nate responding as he is from ignorance and emotional bias, is not an unlikely voice of politically liberal American pagans. He's not famous, slow witted, says to himself "I'm pathetic," and simple minds are simple for him to spot since he graduated from 3rd grade-TWICE!.

      This makes him a perfect voice for the atheist left.

      Keep'em coming buddy. With enemies like you Kirk looks just like he is which is what we're counting on: a Christian hated by the world of which you are a speaker and not one courting favor to impress the likes of you with your mockery which would totally discredit him instantly. Enough monkeys in the zoo will no doubt laugh at what you threw at the glass like they did when people were watching but that doesn't make it particularly intelligent. Everybody loves a show up. Thankfully Kirk doens't do what he doesn't to show but it does show you up.

      April 23, 2012 at 3:28 am |
    • sam stone

      Scott: Nothing like blurting out bigotry and then claiming persecution when the feces hits the fan.

      April 23, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • No Truth, Just Claims

      Scott,

      If Kirk had any information to back up his claims he might be taken seriously. But facts don't matter to him....nor to you apparently.

      April 23, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
  16. kirkCameronIsAProClosetedBigSkinPickleSucker

    Kirk Cameron is just a fastly aging-somewhat pretty ladyboy doing whatever it takes to make him millions and keep him in the spot light; at this point in his career, a flashlight with an 8 watts light bulb. Besides tired looking and utterly boring, one ofday these days his skeleton is going to come out of the closet, and then everyone will realize the reason of his feverish,"love for Jesus":

    Like every other gay religious "I-know-God-and-and-you-don't"; mourn the fact that you sucked as as an actor and either quit your useless so called "day-time-job" or learn how to operate a french frying machine.

    Truth be told; if you died tomorrow, people would either not who you were or forget about you in about 1 to 2 seconds.

    In the 80s, "Growing Pains" deeply sucked..... and so did you! Now go play the part of the husband, Father, closeted human-pickle-sucker, and religious authority.... you may just get away with it,,,. All in the name of Jesus!

    April 22, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • DON

      DOES KIRK WEAR UNDERWEAR??

      April 22, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Scott

      Why in such need of childish sounding name calling?

      April 23, 2012 at 3:48 am |
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  19. Nahms

    Kirk is to be applauded for his unwavering stance and belief as well as his honest opinion on subject matter. weather anyone wants to accept his views or not,they are on target and he has a right to not just his opinion but his right and ability to vocalize them!!! snide remarks won't change facts and there will always be those with opposing views but what he has said in my opinion and many others is fact and we support him,end of story!!!!!

    April 21, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • John

      @Nahms, love how you said " there will always be those with opposing views but what he has said in my opinion and many others is fact and we support him,end of story!!!!!"

      shows how much of an egomaniac you and your kind are. last i checked you having an opinion in no way makes something a fact, a million people having an opinion also does not make something a fact.

      Look into the logical fallacy known as the ad populum argument to understand why..

      Feel free to support whoever you want , just dont expect others to take you seriously if the reason you gave is the best you can do.

      April 21, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • otto

      He and you have every right to your opinions. The rest of us have the right to let you know you opinion is based on religious bigotry and that Kirk C. is a moron.

      April 22, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • Guest

      He is a Kook!

      April 22, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • 18

      I right, and some one with the 180 degree honest opinion whether you believe, and are on target, has right to that opinion, and ability to vocalize them, that snide remarks won't change facts, for there will always be those opposing them, but that person said, in opinion and many others is fact, and we support end of story.

      Two points. You do not know the difference between fact and opinion: suggest take a course in formal logic or go to law school.
      Second Cameron can believe what ever "he wants" but if he is that lonely of a person to have to believe in a divine being dispensing justice among mankind; that's a personal problem, and does not make it fact. His issues are his, and has nothing to do with anyone else and vise versa.

      April 22, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • 18E

      Iright, and some one with the 180 degree honest opinion whether you believe, and are on target, has right to that opinion, and ability to vocalize them, that snide remarks won't change facts, for there will always be those opposing them, but that person said, in opinion and many others is fact, and we support end of story.

      Two points. You do not know the difference between fact and opinion: suggest take a course in formal logic or go to law school.
      Second Cameron can believe what ever "he wants" but if he is that lonely of a person to have to believe in a divine being dispensing justice among mankind; that's a personal problem, and does not make it fact. His issues are his, and has nothing to do with anyone else and vise versa.

      April 22, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • danielwalldammit

      It is odd that you throw the word honest in. Perhaps I don't know that he is lying, but what makes you think you know that he is sincere?

      April 23, 2012 at 3:19 am |
    • DT

      WHETHER, not weather. Perhaps you should take some time out from your hate-spewing agenda and get some grammar lessons.

      April 23, 2012 at 8:08 am |
  20. Gary

    Those of you atheist posting here will think of one thing as you are taking your last breaths...whether in a hospital bed.....the side of some road....wherever it may be.....and that one thing will be God. May Lord have mercy on your souls.

    April 21, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I do "think of god" on my deathbed? The fact that I think of something still doesn't cause it to exist.

      The only proof I've ever heard from any believer that there is a god, is that they think there is, and that they feel that there is. So what? That's not evidence; that's just thought.

      Do you have anything more than that? I've heard your argument hundreds of times, and it has a neutral effect on me.

      April 21, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • otto

      You believe in a god that will punish people for eternity for thought crimes. I wouldn't punish my worst enemy in the way you say your loving god will. Your god is an immoral pr.ick.

      April 22, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • sam stone

      Gary: Two points for your consumption. 1. It is impossible for people to fear retaliation from beings in which they do not believe. 2. You are a subsevient myth sucking slave. Now, boy, go home and get your shinebox

      April 22, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      otto: I have a theory that petty vindictive p-r–i-c-k-s find comfort in a petty vindictive p-r-i-c-k god. gary seems to be yet another data point in support of that hypothesis

      April 22, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Eric

      God is dead, I killed him. Keep believing in your invisible man or whatever else it is that helps you sleep at night and give meaning to your purposeless existence.

      April 22, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Or perhaps, Gary, when you die and don't see angels coming to greet you, your last thought will be the realization that you wasted your entire life believing in a fairy tale. That is just as likely a scenario.

      April 22, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      Yes, it well it isn't God that dreamed up that bit of sadistic scare tactics. It was mortals, just like you. And the story says a lot about either God or atheists. It says a great deal about the values of some believers.

      April 23, 2012 at 3:15 am |
    • Rose B.

      May the lord forgive you for being so judgemental and for condemning other people without cause.

      April 24, 2012 at 7:00 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      Sammy boy, you truly must be one of best specimens of your own kind! Your refined cultured demeanor makes you really shine!

      April 24, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • sam stone

      Still on your knees, PRISM? Go on wi th some more "lame claims"....they are amusing. While you are at it, take your bible, and a 5 gallon drum of KY jelly, and have at it.

      April 24, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
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