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With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist
Kirk Cameron released a documentary in theatres on Friday titled "Monumental."
April 13th, 2012
05:02 PM ET

With 'Monumental' Kirk Cameron emerges as Christian activist

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– Kirk Cameron could have joined the ranks of former TV heartthrobs who rode off into the sunset, reappearing only for the occasional reunion show or career-reviving role in a TV drama. Think Ricky Schroder or Scott Baio.

But Cameron, known to millions of Americans as Mike Seaver on the hit ‘80s-era show “Growing Pains,” is carving out a new niche for himself, as an unlikely voice of politically conservative American evangelicals.

Cameron has a new documentary on the faith of America’s founders that arrives in theaters on Friday. He is neither a historian nor theologian, but the film, “Monumental,” shows him consumed with Christianity - and with rage over what he says has been the systematic removal of religion’s role from American history.

The film opens with Cameron sitting on an Adirondack chair in his backyard. Looking straight and silently into the camera, a voice-over of his own voice alerts viewers that the world around him is going to hell.

“There is something seriously sick in the soul of our country,” the voice-over says.

“Don’t worry about the fact the world is going to hell in a hand basket - just get out of the hand basket,” his friends tell him. But Cameron explains that he refuses to listen and instead sets out to make “Monumental: In Search of America’s National Treasure,” which investigates the debate over America’s soul.

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Over the last decade, Cameron has become the wholesome, boyish face of Christian cinema. He starred in “Left Behind,” the low-budget film based on the wildly popular Christian book series.

More recently, he played the lead role in “Fireproof,” a breakout film that shocked the Hollywood establishment when it debuted in the top 10 in its first week and wound up taking in an estimated $33 million. The film was made by Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia, for just over $500,000.

Cameron was one of the only professional actors in the film; the rest were congregants from the church.

Along with such popular movies as Mel Gibson’s “The Passion of the Christ,” ”Fireproof” showed the potential for a new market in explicitly Christian films. In the last two years, crossover movies like “Soul Surfer” and “Courageous” have had parallel advertising campaigns targeting churches.

The movement has propelled Cameron back into the spotlight.

“Monumental” is Cameron’s baby. He is its executive producer and its star.

“When I survey the landscape and turn on the news, all signs are saying panic,” Cameron recently said.

“Instead of listening to everyone play the blame game … maybe the best place to look for solutions was to talk to the men and women who built this country 400 years ago and laid the foundations that resulted in a nation that has experienced more blessing and prosperity and strength than any other nation in the world,” he said.

“That launched me on this journey to retrace the Pilgrims and find the sacred sauce.”

In the film, Cameron retraces the Pilgrims’ steps from England to Holland to the New World. He talked to scholars and historians, digging in on the faith of the Founding Fathers.

What he found, he said, is a forgotten historical narrative not taught in schools.

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Those first principles, as Cameron sees them, are spelled out in a scene depicting a large stone monument near Massachusetts’ Plymouth Rock, the spot memorialized as the place the Pilgrims landed.

“Faith in God … produces character, character will produce courage, courage to face the challenges of the day,” Cameron says in the movie, riffing off the Pilgrims’ story.

Cameron teamed with NCM Fathom, a company that streams live events to movie theaters nationwide, like live performances of the Metropolitan Opera and boxing matches, to offer a sneak peek at the film a couple of weekends ago. That debut was emceed by Cameron, featured live performances by Christian bands and was beamed out live on more than 600 screens, grossing $1.23 million, according to NCM and Cameron's publicist.

Kirk Cameron stares at an inscription at the Jefferson Memorial in Washington.

The new documentary has faced criticism for its inclusion of self-taught evangelical Christian historian David Barton.

A favorite among evangelicals for his Christian-centric views of the Founding Fathers and his vast collection of historical documents, Barton is heavily featured in the film.

“The reason I went to go see David Barton is because he owns the largest collection of original source documents from the founding era that I can get my hands on and that you can go and see,” Cameron said.

“When you look at those documents it becomes incredibly clear there has been a lot of cherry picking of the evidence done to support a very particular worldview, and that’s the worldview our children are learning in school and it’s not the full and complete historical record because it doesn’t reflect the faith of our Founding Fathers,” the actor said.

In a version of the film made available for screening and in clips posted online, Barton shows Cameron the “Thompson Hot Press Bible,” which Barton said was printed in 1798 and was funded by 12 signers of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, including John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

“They wanted the word of God out to every family,” Barton says in the clip. “If these guys happen to be Christians it makes a lot of sense.”

Barton then picks up a small rare Bible known as the “Aitken Bible.” “The Bible of the Revolution was printed by the Congress of the United States. So Congress printed the first English Language version of the Bible,” Barton said. He goes on to say the Congress said, “This was a neat edition of the Bible for use in our schools.”

Warren Throckmorton, an associate professor of psychology at Grove City College, a private Christian school in Pennsylvania, has criticized Barton’s version of history and Cameron’s films.

About much of the history featured in the film, Throckmorton said, “That’s just not what happened.”

After seeing clips of the documentary, Throckmorton fact-checked some parts.

He said he found that the “Thompson Hot Press Bible” was not funded in total by 12 Founders. Instead, he said, the Bible was funded by a subscription base of 1,200 customers that included 12 Founding Fathers. “The printers funded that Bible, the Founders didn’t fund it. It was a business venture for them.”

As for the quote Barton attributed to Congress about putting the Bible in schools, it actually came from Robert Aitken’s petition to Congress. Aitken was a colonial printer. The Journals of Congress from 1782 shows Aitken completed the Bible on his own and sought the blessing of Congress.

The record shows a report from two congressional chaplains who examined the work, which they praised.

Congress passed a resolution to recommend “this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States and hereby authorize him to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.” That resolution did not mention it being put in schools.

“David Barton gets the facts wrong when it comes to these two Bibles,” Throckmorton said. “The facts of the case are stretched and embellished to create a narrative that is misleading.”

Cameron defended Barton’s work. “No one is more guilty of cherry picking evidence than those who bow to the god of political correctness, especially historians,” Cameron said. “Everyone is going to select the information that is important to their thesis. If you’re bent on being politically correct, it’s very easy to fall into that trap.”

Throckmorton noted that he and other critics of Barton’s work hail from Christian colleges and universities.

Early controversy surrounding Cameron's comments on social issues have given the film more media coverage than Cameron could have imagined for a small-budget documentary.

Appearing on CNN’s Piers Morgan Tonight last month, Cameron fielded questions about abortion, gay marriage and what he would do if one of his six children came out to him as gay.

None of the topics appear in the film, but Cameron expressed views on same-sex marriage, abortion and homosexuality that are common among conservative evangelical Christians.

Cameron called homosexuality “unnatural,” adding, “I think that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization."

His comments sparked outrage from gay rights groups like GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. The group led a campaign to counter Cameron’s comments with other 1980s TV stars and evangelicals on the other side of the theological spectrum.

GLAAD spotlighted a bevy of celebrities who chided Cameron for his positions on homosexuality, including a tweet from Rosanne Barr, who suggested Cameron was “an accomplice to murder with his hate speech.”

Cameron said his support for traditional marriage is rooted in faith and thinks it should inform policy decisions: “You either believe marriage and human sexuality are sacred or you do not.”

Cameron jokingly described his faith as “high octane” but said he considers himself part of the evangelical Christian tradition. He said he goes to a small nondenominational community church near his home in California, though his publicist later clarified that he is not a member of the church, whose name he would not disclose because of privacy and security concerns.

Cameron said he was caught off guard by the controversy around his comments.

“It is my goal to love everyone. I hate no one,” he said. “Regardless of their race, religion, their proclivities, the desire of their heart and how they want to live their life and the decisions that they make. I can even respect people’s decisions and lifestyle choices just as I hope they have the courtesy to respect my decisions and my choices.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church and state • Religious liberty

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  1. Tracy Lee

    to HawaiiGuest.... whens the last time you ever helped the poor and helpless??? missionaries help the poor and weak everyday in the name of GOD because that is what they do. So if you want this to stop form an organization of athiest that will do the same.......yeah right will never happen......athiest are too busy helping animals.......Im just sayin....

    April 24, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • just sayin

      No I am just sayin... seems like you don't get out much because you are misinformed. God Bless

      April 24, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      "missionaries help the poor and weak everyday in the name of GOD"
      .
      and you are a liar. If their motivation was pure they wouldn't be establishing their churches.....their intent is not to help, rather establish their GOD rule. They help with a price......the price is land to build their churches and future propaganda machines on. Some might call this a "conquering" tool. Thank you for playing and lie again please.

      April 24, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Why the last time was last weekend when I volunteered at the Salvation Army, and before that when I bought a weeks worth of non perishable stuff for a homeless woman. So you justify something like forced conversion as long as it's for your religion? That's a pretty sick justification. Ever hear of UNICEF, PlanUSA, Tanzanian Children's Fund? All completely secular organizations that help people in need without the need to push a "god".

      April 24, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • sam stone

      "athiest are too busy helping animals.......Im just sayin...."

      what you are saying is that you are making huge assumptions regarding atheists and "helping animals"

      what you are saying is that you are unable to come up with a rational argument, so you attempt to take a cheap shot at athiests. congratulations, you can make stupid statements.

      dogma drone

      April 25, 2012 at 4:16 am |
    • sam stone

      also, tracy lee, you are equating atheism with compassion for vulnerable creatures, whether or not they are the same species.

      you are a clown

      April 25, 2012 at 4:24 am |
  2. Tracy Lee

    to yeahright... not all the founding fathers of north america were CHRISTAINS... ben franklin was a freemason & illuminati and didnt worship CHRIST. ben franklin was once accused of being a serial killer as well.. good old ben franklin was a capitalist and is honored on the 100.00 dollar bill. I don't DOUBT CHRISTAINS made mistakes after all we are all human. only Christ , GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT ARE PERFECT.....I know many corrupt people even so called CHRISTAINS that are this way but you see humans will always make mistakes even CHRISTAINS....no one human is perfect remember this..

    April 24, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • WASP

      @tracy: 1) how can a perfect being make an imperfect product? lol
      2) follow history back and you will find the first chapter of your book, matches up with the end of the norse faith. kind of cool huh. it helped encourage transition from norse to catholic faith during the time the two people were at war.
      3) your as,sumption that i am angry in any fashion shows more on your mind set than on my leveled questions. jesus god and all the other beings in your book only exsist in your book.

      April 24, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
  3. Tracy Lee

    to wasp..... you sound so angry.....it must really stink always being on the bottom.........your right i will never be as smart as you...i kant spel or put senstance together.... you are so smart.... you seem to know soo much about CHRISTAINS.... by the way thats right CHRISTAINS do feed the hungry we also help the poor and spread the word of GOD..THATS WHAT WE DO....

    April 24, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      And yet, it is possible to help people in need without preaching to them about your ideas. Conversion is the payment of choice for missionaries in third world countries, and it is a disguisting practice.

      April 24, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "y the way thats right CHRISTAINS do feed the hungry we also help the poor and spread the word of GOD..THATS WHAT WE DO...."

      That's why the Christians that came to America killed more Indians than Hitler killed Jees and they stole their land from them. You don't even understand the REAL Christian history that is full of greed, corruption, murder and theft. Your cult is what is a menace to our society, nothing more.

      April 24, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • sam stone

      wow, tracy, putting letters in caps. sure makes the point.

      April 25, 2012 at 4:26 am |
    • sam stone

      "we also help the poor and spread the word of GOD"

      no you don't. you spread edited, translated iron age hearsay.

      and are pompous to boot

      i have this theory that angry, bitter people find comfort in an angry, bitter god. this god, coincidentally, hates the same people they do. tracy lee here is another data point in support of that hypothesis

      April 25, 2012 at 4:33 am |
  4. Tracy Lee

    to wasp......white anglo saxon protestant...........how does it feel not to be in charge anymore???

    April 24, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • WASP

      @tracy:"
      to wasp......white anglo saxon protestant...........how does it feel not to be in charge anymore???
      April 24, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Report abuse | Reply"

      1) you obviously failed history. if you check the number of converts your warmongering theology got was by the point of a sword or rifle. now your faith, is losing converts to resaon and understanding. yes you are picking up a few converts but look at the education level in those areas, ie africa where missionaries are holding food in one hand and a bible in the other. so you are the ones losing control of the world, the secular minded people are growing. that's normally what decline in religious observance means.
      2) ummm are you stating that you are anglo-saxon protestant or accusing me of being one? this shows you must have also fail basic english, seeing you can't even construct a proper sentence. pity and you were so convincing while you were using all capitals.

      April 24, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  5. Tracy Lee

    to sam stone........with JESUS WE WILL ALL LIVE.........GOD BLESS....

    April 24, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • WASP

      @tracy: you do know we atheists love watching you christians have mental meltdowns right? it's our second favorite past time so keep yelling and screaming that your god lives, and maybe you will convince yourself one day. because i doubt such a lame debate stance could convince a 5 year old that god was real. but hey if you happen to find the chuppakobra send him my way. lmfao

      to all other reasonible christians i enjoy debating but this loon hasn't a point one to debate from so i'm just enjoying stoking the flames. lol

      April 24, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      to tracy: repeating something over and over doesn't make it any less absurd.

      April 24, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • RealMath

      The same can be said for all the constant attacks by all the unbelievers that have attacked the believers. Get your mind out of your own prejudice against believers. You unbelievers seem to think you own the majority of the mind of American even after you constantly insist on having your own belief system preminently hoisted above all else. Reality is 80% of America doesn't believe in your ways but instead believes in a higher level of life than the dirt they walk on.

      April 24, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • WASP

      @math: there is a distinct difference between people acknowlegding a higher power and people believeing in a single god. thus the number of secular minded people would be higher due to the fact we aren't divided into this group or that group. there will always be those that will say "yes i believe in a higher power" while they are around people they believe not to be as accepting of their atheist/agnostic views.

      April 24, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @RealMath

      Prevalence of an idea does not make it true.

      April 24, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • sam stone

      math: i got no problem with believers. if they can debate and be civil, i would love to speak to them. on the other hand, you see those like the current True Believer (TM) that does nothing but preach. It is like trying to talk to a parrot. and, the empty proxy threats make those making them look like clowns. of course, that would be a step up for many of them

      April 24, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
  6. Tracy Lee

    to HawaiiGuest love you too....

    April 24, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
  7. Tracy Lee

    TO wasp.......JESUS is no demi god........his staying power has lasted 2000yrs and still going strong ra,mithra and zeus has faded away and has been long gone.....none of them even lasted 1000yrs. The TRUTH will never fade away.....The TRUTH will be here for ever and ever.... I just want to let you know I still love you as a brother in CHRIST....may GOD bless you.

    April 24, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      May the Flying Spaghetti Monster bless you with the knowledge of how to use a reply button.
      RAMEN!!

      April 24, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • WASP

      @tracy: jesus was a demi-god. he was born of emaculate conseption. each religious group has their god impregnated woman story. lmao so get in line yours is just the newest twist on an old tale.

      April 24, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
  8. Tracy Lee

    to mandarax TRUTH has nothing to do with humility.......the kingdom can be yours too if you believe in JESUS CHRIST as your LORD & SAVIOR.....ETERNAL LIFE CAN BE FOR ALL OF YOU IF YOU ACCEPT CHRIST AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR.... JESUS CHRIST CAME FOR ALL OF US AND NOT JUST ME OR KIRK....... I WAS ONLY STATING A FACT THAT WITH OUT CHRIST YOU WILL SURELY DIE.....PLEASE UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT TOO LATE!!!!

    April 24, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      The reply button can be your friend Tracy

      April 24, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • sam stone

      Tracy: You are right. Truth has nothing to do with humility. Without Jesus, we WILL all die. With Jesus, we WILL all die. You seem to have an issue confusing fact with opinion. But, if it makes you feel all pious, and gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling deep in your special place, go for it. Just don't expect that it will be convincing to others.

      April 24, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • YeahRight

      ".ETERNAL LIFE CAN BE FOR ALL OF YOU IF YOU ACCEPT CHRIST AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR.... JESUS CHRIST CAME FOR ALL OF US AND NOT JUST ME OR KIRK....... I WAS ONLY STATING A FACT THAT WITH OUT CHRIST YOU WILL SURELY DIE.....PLEASE UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT TOO LATE!!!!"

      Ahh...we have pissed her off. Typing in all caps is considered very rude and doesn't help to make a point. You know Mithra rose from the dead too so I think you're believing in the wrong god. Hate to burst your bubble, but you are surely going to die, there is no heaven, no hell and that special feeling in your head you get when you believe scientist have proven it's just a chemical reaction. No holy spirit, no Jesus Christ but just your own brain making you feel warm and fuzzy. If I relax myself in silence I can get that feeling too, no god needed. LOL!

      April 24, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • sam stone

      "PLEASE UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT TOO LATE!!!!" – Tracy Lee

      "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" – Chicken Little

      The similarity is haunting, eh?

      April 24, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • RealMath

      Tracy...keep your faith and it will serve you well...offer your faith and you may be condemned. They did the same to Jesus while He walked among them. Once you have offered them salvation thier fate is then their own and it is time to move on thereafter. I regard your all caps as your greatest form of respect for others because it is what your faith requires. I just wish everyone could accept it without all the snide and prejudice remarks.

      April 24, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I regard your all caps as your greatest form of respect for others because it is what your faith requires. I just wish everyone could accept it without all the snide and prejudice remarks."

      LMAO – Internet etiquette states otherwise. Got to love your snide and prejudice remarks too, what a hypocrite.. LOL!

      April 24, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  9. HawaiiGuest

    Tracy I think you need to learn how to use the reply button.

    April 24, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
  10. Tracy Lee

    cant steal from myself.......yes people are leaving in droves but you know what new ones are sprouting up every where...like I said before JESUS will still be here after you are dead and I will too....because I will be by his side....

    April 24, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • mandarax

      Yes, Tracy Lee, you are far too special and important to be a mere mortal biological organism – you personally communicate with the most powerful force in the universe and He has chosen you to live with Him for all eternity. Ah, that good ole Christian humility....

      April 24, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • sam stone

      Tracy: On your knees in front of him does not qualify as "by his side".

      April 24, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "yes people are leaving in droves but you know what new ones are sprouting up every where."

      Cite your source.

      April 24, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • sam stone

      mandarax: of course, it is humility. that is the essence of evangelism, isn't it?

      April 24, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • WASP

      @tracy: i have had the non-pleasure of discussing religion with quiet a few indoctrinated people. you my dear have been completely brainwashed. there is a stark difference between george washington and jesus of nazerath as far as physical proof. jesus only exists inside your bible. george washington has more physical proof than you can shake a stick at or did you forget history cla,ss? do this prove god without using scripture. put the scriptures aside and try and prove god to yourself. you hark on how many followers jesus "has", as a point of him being real is a very lame stance. there are millions of children that believe in santa clause and the boogieman but neither of those two figures are real just because someone believes in them. you have to be the most self deluded person i have ever met, to fight from such a weak standing and think yourself winning. lmfao but good luck in your endevours. oh yeah and all religious faiths are losing followers to intelligent discovery, soon your demi-god jesus and your god will be sectioned away with other mythologys from earlier history.

      April 24, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • mandarax

      Yup, it's the simple humility of insisting that out of the entire universe you personally are created in the image of the greatest power in the existence, and that the supreme magical being hangs on your every thought and fusses over your every move.

      April 24, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      mandarax: you could almost choke on the hubris, no?

      April 24, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
  11. Tracy Lee

    too bad mithra is long gone like milli vanilli, just another fraud........JESUS CHRIST has staying power...... he will still be around even after your dead.....

    April 24, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "JESUS CHRIST has staying power...... he will still be around even after your dead....."

      Nah, people are leaving the church in droves and just like all religion once people know that it's all a myth they move on. They've already proven the bible isn't an historical document. Now stop stealing from your employer and get back to work.

      April 24, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • sam stone

      okay, tracy lee...you say mithra is gone. prove it.

      April 24, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
  12. Tracy Lee

    to YeahRight mithra sounds alot like mythe............ I would stay clear of any mythes.....

    April 24, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • YeahRight

      Mithra was one of the largest religions during ancient times and virtually all of the elements of Orthodox Christian rituals came from that religion. LOL!

      April 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
  13. Tracy Lee

    TO wasp .....signatures and first hand reports don't prove someone existed......to be frank no one can prove scientificlly someone existed once they are dead and we do not have usable dna. JESUS exsist on old roman records but that is not proof why he exsisted........ The fact JESUS has soo many followers and the fact we are even having this conversation is proof he exsisted..... I still love all of you as my neighbor and if you were to ask me for water because you are thirsty I would give you a drink. If you were to ask me for food because you are hungry I would give you something to eat. If you want eternal life just ask JESUS....and he shall give.....

    April 24, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "The fact JESUS has soo many followers and the fact we are even having this conversation is proof he exsisted"

      Hail Mithra who Jesus is portrayed after! Even the Vatican is built over where people worshiped Mithra!

      April 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
  14. Tracy Lee

    I can prove zeus is dead because he does not have anymore followers. JESUS CHRIST has the most followers of any religion on earth even more than muslims, budsit,hindus etc..... I didn't go silent I had to take a call because I am at work...

    April 24, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "JESUS CHRIST has the most followers of any religion"

      That is only 33% of the people on this planet and half of those aren't even real followers.

      April 24, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I didn't go silent I had to take a call because I am at work"

      Surfing the internet while at work is stealing from your employer, you are not being paid to be posting on this blog. Typical Christians can't even follow their own rule book.

      April 24, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • mandarax

      "I can prove Zeus is dead because he doesn't have any followers"

      More absurd "logic." So something only exists if it has followers? By that definition Jesus didn't exist until he was joined by his first disciple, and the God of Abraham didn't exist until about 5,000 years ago. All the pantheons of Egypt, Greece, Rome, Mesoamerica, the Indus Valley, and on and on actually DID exist at one time because they had lots of followers.

      April 24, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • sam stone

      How do you know who follows what, Tracy? All I see from your posts is a bunch of unsubstantiated claims, faulty logic and arrogance to beat the band

      April 24, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Tracy, Hinduism is the oldest religion currently practiced. You're praying to the wrong god(s).

      April 25, 2012 at 12:42 am |
  15. Tracy Lee

    Prove to me gorge washington existed..........sending me a picture of a dollar bill will not do. Good Luck...

    April 24, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • sam stone

      Can I "prove" that G(e)orge Washington existed? Depends on what you accept as proof.

      Now back to your initial post about PROVING GOD or JESUS do not exist. I asked you to PROVE that Zeus doesn't exist, or Ra. Curiously, you have been silent on that. So, I will make it easier for you. PROVE the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist

      April 24, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • WASP

      here is one major clue george washington existed...........his signature on the docu.ments that founded the united states of america. let's not forget countless first hand reports of his war efforts against the british along with reports corroberating george washington in france whom happen to be allies during that time period.
      2) there is more evidence to back up the existance of the yeti then there is to back up all the claims ever made of any god throughout history.

      April 24, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
  16. Voice of Reason

    What does a Christian needs in terms of proof that there isn't a god? They haven't proved there is one, so what would be the convincing evidence that would make them stop and think?

    April 24, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
  17. Observant Historian

    Kirk Cameron engages in serial dishonesty in his "defense" of creationism. Most of what he says is simply and demonstrably false. This is common with all creationist apologists, who HAVE to lie to continue making arguments that they know and have been repeatedly shown are false. The problem is that they can't separate their faith in a higher power from the dogma of a Bronze Age religious text, so they assume that any questioning of the Bible as the infallible word of God is a questioning of the concept of a higher power. Kirk Cameron and people like him may say that “Faith in God … produces character..." but there's plenty enough evidence that faith has not produced in Kirk Cameron GOOD character – he's a chronic liar and he knows it. People who support him and others like him have a somewhat different character flaw: they praise people of his ilk as "good Christians" and take it as an attack on Christianity when you point out the simple fact that many so-called "Christian activists" like Cameron are deliberately dishonest, repeating the same lies over and over long after having been shown that they are lies. The further to the right Christians go, the less Christian they become.

    April 24, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  18. The Afterlife

    "He is neither a historian nor theologian"... I wish CNN added this quote on all their other articles written by so-called experts.

    April 24, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  19. fisherman

    It shouldn't be a surprise to Christians that most the the comments here are hostile. And as a orthodox reformed Christian, I may even have to agree with that some of the comments are valid, and its unfortunate because many Christians in America fail to live out the call and reflection of Jesus Christ. However, at the same time we are commanded to preach the Gospel, which is that Jesus, son of God came to earth to save sinners, which Christians are included! We are just one begger telling another begger where to find food. And so again I'm not surprise because the message of the Cross is offensive, however, I would just encourage anyone to carefully search the bible for yourself and see if Jesus is truly who he say he is, don't go by other Christians are even some (liberal) churches. Lastly, Kirk Cameron isn't trying to convince any of you to change your view, only God can change your heart, but as Christians we are simply called to proclaim His message!

    Blessings, fisherman.....

    April 24, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Kirk Cameron has made it clear that he believes that anyone who doesn't believe exactly what he does DESERVES to suffer for eternity, then tries to support his position using examples that are based in pure ignorance, I.e. the perfection of the banana, and the crocoduck. Why in the would should anyone take seriously the threats and beliefs of someone who can't even be bothered to tell the truth?

      April 24, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • PRISM1234

      "We are just one beggar telling another beggar where to find food".
      It's pretty bad when the beggars who are dying from their spiritual anorexia are stoning the ones who care for them enough to want to share the food with them, so they would live!

      April 24, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • sam stone

      Still got that persecution complex, eh PRISM?

      April 24, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  20. SlaveWorld

    Religions of Abraham DO NOT have a place in the 21st Century. If you can't prove it then it doesn't exist and the burden of proof lies with those who claim that God is real, not the ones who claim that God isn't. Doesn't work that way. Show me evidence or shut the F up!

    April 24, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • sam stone

      It does seem like they are projecting the supposed values from a agrarian, bronze age, middle eastern society onto ours. to those that say "god's word doesn't change", it is because it is written down.

      April 24, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Tracy Lee

      The only thing you are proving is the fact you are an athiest. Prove GOD and JESUS CHRIST doesn't exist and there my friend you will find the TRUTH....The GOD of Abraham is the same today as he was then and always will be. You cant shut the TRUTH up. You can't keep him locked away in a box . You will never keep the LION caged. I pray you will see the light one day. Remember go the light and there you will find eternal peace. May you find JESUS.

      April 24, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Prove GOD and JESUS CHRIST doesn't exist..."

      Seriously, Tracy, is the best argument you have?

      Prove Zeus doesn't exist, or Ra, or any of the other thousands of god man has worshipped.

      Why do you feel your TRUTH (so much more valid because it is capitalized, right?) is more valid than other people's truths?

      April 24, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • sam stone

      "The GOD of Abraham is the same today as he was then and always will be."

      Yes. A myth

      April 24, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
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