April 19th, 2012
04:44 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Thursday, April 19

By Laura Koran, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: Watergate figure Chuck Colson reportedly near death
Chuck Colson, the convicted Watergate figure turned evangelist, is near death after suffering a brain hemorrhage earlier this month, his media representatives said Wednesday. “It is with a heavy, but hopeful heart that I share with you that it appears our friend, brother and founder will soon be home with the Lord,” Jim Liske, CEO of Prison Fellowship Ministries, which Colson founded, said in a statement.

CNN: New Bible translation aims at 'own it but haven't read it' demo
The "own it but haven't read it" demographic is his target market, says Capes, who teaches the New Testament at Houston Baptist University and was part of a team that compiled "The Voice," a new translation of the King James Bible. Capes told CNN that the motivation behind the translation, seven years in the making, was to emphasize the meaning behind the words.

Tweet of the Day:

From @RELEVENT: "It just doesn’t make a good marriage when one person is the 'decision-maker.'" More thoughts on mutual submission: http://relm.ag/J2jcoX

Enlightening Reads:

The Washington Post: Vatican report: U.S. Catholic sisters, nuns hold ‘serious theological’ errors
A Vatican investigation of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR), an umbrella group representing 80 percent of Catholic sisters and nuns in the United States, found serious theological errors in statements by members, widespread dissent on the church’s teaching on sexuality and “radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith” a church report released Wednesday stated.

Religion News Service: Religious belief highest in developing and Catholic countries
Belief in God is slowly declining in most countries around the world, according to a new poll, but the truest of the true believers can still be found in developing countries and Catholic societies. The “Beliefs about God Across Time and Countries” report, released Wednesday by researchers at the University of Chicago, found the Philippines to be the country with the highest belief.

Slate: Pastor Who Called Mormonism a "Cult" Backs Romney
The growing list of conservative evangelical Christians supporting Mitt Romney's GOP bid now includes megachurch leader Rev. Robert Jeffress, who called the all-but-certain GOP nominee's Mormon faith a "cult" at the 2011 Values Voter Summit last fall.

The Christian Post: Ariz. Governor Signs Bill to Allow Bible Classes in Public Schools
Arizona Governor Jan Brewer has signed into law a bill that allows the establishing of elective classes that focus on the Bible and its influence on western civilization. Sponsored by State Representative Terri Proud, House Bill 2563 was passed by a 21 to 9 vote in the state Senate last Thursday and signed by Brewer on Tuesday.

The New York Times: British Ultranationalist Warns of Shariah’s ‘Creeping’ Influence, and Twitter Laughs
It began when the leader of the English Defence League, an ultranationalist group opposed to the building of mosques in Britain — and New York — suggested a hashtag to go with his outraged Twitter post regarding the image of a mosque on the homepage of the social media site.

Quote of the Day:

Who do I think is the most important and influential person over the last year? It’s a slam dunk for me. I give the same answer any year, any day, any month. For me the most influential person is always Jesus Christ.

Cardinal Timothy Dolan, named as one of Time Magazine’s 100 Most Influential People of 2012, on who he believes should have the top spot on the list.

Join the conversation…

Gay rights activists hold hands in protest in front of the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City, Utah, in July 2009.

CNN: Gay rights activists see Mormons softening attitudes toward their community
Though the church’s doctrine condemning homosexuality has not changed, and the church remains opposed to same-sex marriage, many say the church is subtly but unmistakably growing friendlier toward the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, including voicing support for some gay rights.

- CNN's Laura Koran

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soundoff (111 Responses)
  1. Funny

    Scientist: Here are the facts, now what conclusions can we draw from it?

    Creationist: Here is the conclusion, now what can we use to support it?

    Hardee Har Har......

    April 19, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Plain Ol' Dreamer

      Science was just and is that from the endings to ever be! To ever be the logs in one's eyeing minds! To ever be the deniabilities of spit in God's eyes of criminalities' sakedness! God will never be moved by the sciences! God will never move period! God was before the beginings and God is there come the Ending of One's Life! God needs none of us who are God's buildings! God is seated firmly in Life's inner-most places beyond our means to unseat Him! Let Go of your faithlessness and Let God alone for Christ's sake! God's Son, the King of God's Sons is who one needs to find redemption and mercies from!

      April 19, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
  2. William Demuth

    Perhaps we post BECAUSE we know it annoys others?

    Like that German term Schanefreud? (guess spelling)

    Perhaps raging against the machine, being defiant to the end and refusing to be moved somehow benifit us biologically?

    April 19, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Plain Ol' Dreamer

      Eating the fruitions of fruitiness tends to flavor the fruits being ever so tastingly better then without the fruity looped!

      April 19, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
  3. Belief Blog Party

    Hey everyone it's time for the annual belief blog party! This year we will be gathering in Los Angeles at the W Hotel in Hollywood. Hope to see all of you there and be ready to debate! I'll be sending out email invitations shortly so please reply with your email address and preferred dates of party. Tickets are also free this year!

    April 19, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • J.W

      Lol I am not sure if I wanna get drunk and then have a debate about religion at the same time. Seems like bad things could happen there.

      April 19, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Administration of the Psych Ward, Belleview Hospital, New York

      We regret to inform you that just sayin will not attend as his schitzoid tendencies and multiple personality disorder has not improved to the point where contact with the public would be safe. We are hopeful that with intense therapy ad an aggressive regimen of psychiatric medications, he might be allowed to wander aroung the exercise yard for a few minutes, under heavy guard.

      Similarly, Nii and Rainer will not be in attendance either, as the worst parts of their schizophrenia – the auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, disorganized speech and thinking, and accompanying significant social and occupational dysfunction – continue to worsen.

      For the sake of public safety, we sadly cannot allow them to be released from Belleview in time to attend.

      April 20, 2012 at 2:38 am |
  4. Fallacy Spotting 101

    All atheists use the strawman fallacy.


    April 19, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • C'mon


      April 19, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Fraud Spotting 101

      Funny how just sayin screams like a little baby about other people stealing his precious handle, then goes right out and does it himself.

      So obvious.

      April 20, 2012 at 3:08 am |
  5. J.W

    I see arguments on here between atheists and theists about the meaning of life sometimes. The theists will argue that their life has more meaning because they live to glorify whichever god they may worship (most commonly on here the Christian God) and their life will continue beyond death. The atheists argue that they do not need a god for a meaningful life, and that there life is more meaningful because they do not waste time on worshiping any god, plus since they know that this is the only life they have they know they have to make the most of it while they are here. So are either of these two views correct? Or is the meaningfulness of life independent of any sort of religion or lack thereof?

    April 19, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Seriously?

      Your post is meaningless drivel set to bring out each side once again spouting garbage at each other

      April 19, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • just sayin

      Good point J.W. How far before a discussion is meaningless with a child who refuses to accept that Santa is a myth? Sure we can discuss more meaning in life or purpose. I find it entertianing when history clearly establishes the origins of the myths and how they have been borrowed and borrowed over time. ...yet people make a conscious decision to remain ignorant out of pride and fear. Their thought process actions is that of a child. Look at my ghost who follows me around, HeavenSent and the other lady...cant think of her handles right now. Mind of a child.

      April 19, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • J.W

      How is it meaningless drivel?

      April 19, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      Ithink in the end we all make our own meaninglfulness. Even very devout religious individuals may not follow the ultimate meaning of their religion. A Christian's purpose or meaning is to Praise God and Jesus and try to bring others to Christ. So anything a Christian does that does not further that purpose is based on their own personal purpose. So even religious people base some, maybe not all, of thier actions based on a self made purpose.

      April 19, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • J.W

      I think I agree with you there lunchbreaker. The meaningfulness of our lives depends on what we do not what we believe in my opinion. Whether I will exist somewhere or not 100 years from now, I can still have an impact on the world while I am here.

      April 19, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • J.W

      This question was not very popular. I will have to think of a better one tomorrow.

      April 19, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  6. J.W

    Has anyone here watched the Sean Hannity show? That guy is the worst.

    April 19, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Pointless

      He's the right wing version of Ed Schultz, Lawrence Odonnell, etc.

      They're all a bunch of ldiots. They prosper by dividing the people and creating tension. They all know they're being utterly ridiculous and those aren't their true thoughts. It's their TV persona and instead of having integrity, they'd prefer to make a ton of money acting whichever way drives the most ratings. It's a sad world we live in.

      April 19, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • J.W

      Hannity if he has a democrat on his show he constantly interrupts them and wont let them talk, but he will listen to someone who thinks that the Trayvon Martin shooting was a conspiracy set up by the Obama Administration.

      April 19, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • just sayin

      I don't watch stupid talk shows, sorry

      April 19, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • just sayin

      Prayer is the talk of saints. God bless

      April 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • just sayin

      I will be able to provide recording of the Siants talking. They have such wonderful voices. God Bless

      April 19, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
  7. Pointless

    Why even post dicussions or arguments? The responses on these boards are pathetic and show how uneducated our society really is. It's utterly ridiculous, any legitmate claim or question will always get responses from complete morons who think they are so intelligent. What a futile exercise and I no longer wish to take part in these boards after being an active participant for a few months. Good riddance all you sad pathetics POS's

    April 19, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • just sayin

      Ah my Ghost who posts with many different names is having a bad day.

      April 19, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Pointless

      @jus sayin – what do you mean your ghost? I've never said nor do I pretend to be you. Your posts of "prayer changes things" are just as ldiotic as all those clown atheists who's rebuttal is "magical sky fairy"

      All of you bring nothing but utter stupidity to the discussion.

      April 19, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Thanks for the support.
      And what name have you been using during these fruitless months?

      April 19, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • sam

      It took you that long to get tired of this crap??

      April 19, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • just sayin

      Even a child is known by its doings. Pray while there is yet time. God bless

      April 19, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
  8. just sayin

    Psychosis is a loss of contact with reality, usually including false beliefs about what is taking place or who one is (delusions) and seeing or hearing things that aren't there.

    Prayer is evidence of Psychosis

    Prayer is unhealthy.

    Christians, Muslims and Jews are defective people and need our help

    April 19, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  9. You All Remind Me of a Ratardddddd

    Who eIse posts multiple comments using different names all the time? I know I do!

    The funny thing is that I post something intelligent responses, sometimes troll responses, sometimes lame responses, etc. I also even post and reply to my posts with arguments making it appear as many different people.

    It's absolutely hilarious to watch all you ldiots get all p!ssy when lots of the times its me replying to myself and starting arguments just to laugh at you fools. Hell, more than half the comments on this page are made by me but you wouldnt know that otherwise. It's too easy to say stupid stuff just to get people on both sides angry and upset.

    April 19, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • You All Remind Me of a Ratardddddd

      I have absolutely nothing better to do with my life than what I told you above, which is why I feel so superior to you.

      April 19, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • WIlliam Demuth

      I have no doubt what you say is true, but that offers the question of why?

      The motivations of the people on here are fascinating to attempt to understand.

      Much like speakers corner in Hyde Park, the diatribes unleashed here can be both amusing and disturbing!

      April 19, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      Will, that motivation is quite the mystery. Sometimes I read a post and just wonder that same question, why? Most posters can not be identified as actual people, so you gain nothing from insulting and lose nothing by being insulted. The only thing that can be gained from a board such as this is an exchange of ideas, which sadly, does not happen very often.

      April 19, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I guess it's different things to differnt people.

      Most I assume are just burning time in a cubicle, but some post seven days a week and at the strangest hours.

      Back in the BBS network days you could make freinds (even get lucky once in a while) but not anymore.

      Once the Tech trickled out to the masses, the whacko's came in droves.

      It's a shame really, back in the day actually meeting a poster was a real trip.

      April 19, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

      April 19, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      A North American or European elderberry?

      April 19, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • sam

      Laden, or unladen?

      April 19, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  10. fook this cnn crap

    somewhere along the line someone thought it would be much simpler and easier to let the soffware automatically ban people from posting as well as not let them post words that have bad letter combinations.
    whoever made this decision should be taken out and required to play a game of chess every time before they are allowed to use the bathroom.
    And then take away their keys if someone on one of the other floors complains about the moves made on the board or the smell or the moans of pain if they go too long without being able to use the bathroom.
    In short, hardly any of it makes sense and does this crazy stuff automatically if other people complain, yet if CNN were banned from being able to broadcast for such inane and pathetic reasons, they'd scream blooody murder, the hypocrites.

    yeah boy great blog
    sucks the big one
    all to diddle with half a dozen posters
    how lame can you get

    April 19, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard

      Well don't we have the moron-a-thon going this morning!

      April 19, 2012 at 11:45 am |
  11. I'm with the band

    I keep getting banned, yet I don't say anything bad. Has anyone else gotten banned?

    April 19, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • It's like this

      Lok for words like t.it or c.um inside of words like Const.itution and circ.umstance. Fix as I just did. No human censor here, just a lame program. Even the "report abuse" button does nothing.

      April 19, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • Helpful Hints

      @I'm with...

      Here's a list of frequent 'fliers':

      Bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN automatic filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
      ar-se.....as in ar-senic.
      co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, etc.
      co-on.....as in rac-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      cu-nt.....as in Scu-nthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters...!
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, drift-wood, etc.
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      hu-mp… as in th-ump, th-umper, th-umping
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      o-rgy….as in po-rgy, zo-rgy, etc.
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      p-orn… as in p-ornography
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sp-ic.....as in desp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      sp-ook… as in sp-ooky, sp-ooked
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!

      There are more, some of them considered "racist", so do not assume that this list is complete.

      April 19, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
  12. Atheism = Delusion Due to Selfishness & Pride

    These comments prove it too. Gotta love the vile, hateful, hypocritical bigotry disguised as intellectual enlightenment by the atheists. They think Christians are awful people as they then wish for the death of them.

    They claim religion is what's wrong with this world as they spout ignorance and hate to anyone not like them. Astounding, it truly is.

    April 19, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • just sayin

      Psychosis is a loss of contact with reality, usually including false beliefs about what is taking place or who one is (delusions) and seeing or hearing things that aren't there.

      Prayer is evidence of Psychosis

      Prayer is unhealthy

      April 19, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • Atheism really angers religious morons and Christian psychos

      just sayin has collapsed into hateful bile again. Truly what Jesus wanted of his followers.

      April 19, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • momoya

      At least with a vile atheist you can lay the blame right at his feet.. When christians spout bigoted stupidity ya'll always roll the criticism on up the chain to your god.. "I wish it wasn't this way, but my god (my ego) says you are filthy, nasty sinners who deserve eternal torture.".

      April 19, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • just sayin

      My little hateful ghost is quite lost in a rational discussion. They always seem to resor tto holding their hands over their ears and yelling "the bible says so!!!"

      April 19, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • ...

      "These comments prove it too. Gotta love the vile, hateful, hypocritical bigotry disguised as intellectual enlightenment by the atheists. "

      Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot. That log in your eye is huge!

      April 19, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • just sayin

      "disguised as intellectual enlightenment "
      Actually you are wrong it isnt disguised.. ...delusional people cannot grasp being intellectual enlightened...rather they think they are spiritually enlightened...which is actually a delusioned state and evidence of psychosis. Sadly you know not of what you are actually doing.

      April 19, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • just sayin

      Grace mercy and peace are available to all through our Lord ans Savior Jesus Christ. God bless

      April 19, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • just sayin

      My ghost once again

      April 19, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • just sayin

      I'm just sayin
      the real just sayin
      all you other just sayins are just imitating
      so won't the real just sayin please stand up

      April 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Your post, of course, is a lie.

      What we want is for fundiots to stop forcing their religious myths into our public school systems.

      What we want is for fundiots to stop forcing their religious myths into our secular laws.

      What we want is for fundiots to stop shoving their religious myths into our public squares.

      April 19, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • just sayin

      just sayin

      I'm just sayin
      the real just sayin
      all you other just sayins are just imitating
      so won't the real just sayin please stand up
      I have clearly established Just Sayin and the Ghost of Christmas Past that keeps following me around is but a shell of Just Sayin. They go by many handles so I am sure they can just pick another name as usual.

      April 19, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • ...

      Somebody keeps stealing my name. I'm the one true "..."

      April 19, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      Practice the presence of God. Pray diligently in all the forms prayer is available to you. Experience the presence of God in prayer.God bless

      April 19, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
  13. William Demuth

    Insecure people create imaginary Gods to elevate their own stature.

    It is the OLDEST con known to have ever existed.

    April 19, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • Handle Poster

      Who else posts multiple comments using different names all the time? I know I do!

      The funny thing is that I post something intelligent responses, sometimes troll responses, sometimes lame responses, etc. I also even post and reply to my posts with arguments making it appear as many different people.

      It's absolutely hilarious to watch all you ldiots get all p!ssy when lots of the times its me replying to myself and starting arguments just to laugh at you fools. Hell, half the comments on this page are made by me but you wouldnt know that otherwise hahahahahah.

      April 19, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • jus sayin, playin,prolixin, demuthixin, primeowonkin, hippypoet, aguest9, chuckles

      Too funny! Am I the same person replying?? Nobody knows!!!, yes yes i am though.

      April 19, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      "The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not recieve this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history." [Robert Heinlein]

      And another of my favourite Heinlein quotes:
      "History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it."

      April 19, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • Robert Brown

      God hates pride. So, secure, prideful, or even arrogant folks can have trouble humbling themselves before Almighty God. While, insecure as you put it, humble people I would say, find it easier to admit that they do not know everything and can submit themselves to the will of their Heavenly Father.

      April 19, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • momoya

      It takes more pride than humility to claim that it just so happened to be the particular god myth of your culture, geography, and time period that is accurate and who built the entire universe as a proving ground for human gullibility..

      It takes a lot more humility to say, "We don't know, but we're still looking," than to say, "Goddidit.". When you say that YOUR god did it, it's pure pride because it assumes that of the thousands and thousands of incorrect gods and incorrect worship, YOU are worshiping the correct one who approves of your pride to be in his household.

      April 19, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • J.W

      Handle Poster I do all those things too but I do it all under this name.

      April 19, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
  14. C'mon Bro

    I see prolixin forgot to take his medicine this morning. Wow what hateful, vile, hypocritical bigotry. The ironic thing is that he actually believes he's different and has any sort of intelligence. This world is an interesting place full of self centered narcissists

    April 19, 2012 at 10:23 am |
    • Phil

      So you can't actually come up with a rebuttal? What a shock.

      April 19, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • momoya

      Pro does a pretty good job explaining his position whether or not you find it appropriate or not.. Why don't you?

      How about this: Why don't you pick out just one of her/his points and make a reasonable argument why it is incorrect.. Go ahead.. We'll wait.

      April 19, 2012 at 10:43 am |
  15. Atheism = Losers

    Trading simplicity for complexity.

    April 19, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • Phil

      Oh, another simple-minded ignorant fool scorns intelligence and the ability to form complex thoughts.

      I suppose you think a lobotomy would help you to see your god. Considering the way people like you act, I would not be surprised to find that mental retardation is viewed as a desirable goal by someone such as yourself.

      Yes, by all means, tell us that our brains are bad to use, since you don't use yours. Well done. Bravo.

      April 19, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • Jack

      It's so simple. I'm convinced. Thanks for being a shining example of Christ's love.

      April 19, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Atheism really angers religious morons and Christian psychos

      It's not another one, Phil. It's the same one. One poster with one idiotic message under many many names. You can always tell by style and content.

      April 19, 2012 at 11:24 am |
  16. Haha

    Nothing like starting my day by looking at the moronic comments in the belief blog. Typical commentors posting false, hypocritical bigotry disguised and englightened intelligence.

    April 19, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • Jack

      I know right, I mean just look at your comment.

      April 19, 2012 at 10:14 am |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    April 19, 2012 at 7:51 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 19, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • just sayin

      Psychosis is a loss of contact with reality, usually including false beliefs about what is taking place or who one is (delusions) and seeing or hearing things that aren't there.

      Prayer is evidence of Psychosis

      Prayer is unhealthy.

      April 19, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • just sayin

      Pray without ceasing. God bless

      April 19, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • just sayin

      It has been established the prayer is unhealthy

      April 19, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • just sayin

      If you are Christian, Muslim or Jew I urge you to seek clinical help. It is not healthy living in a delusional state. Myths are made up by men...they are not real or magical.

      April 19, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • just sayin

      Friends and family that are rational suffer through your mental sickness. If you love them, get clinical help.

      April 19, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Plain Ol' Dreamer

      God Damn it! Let Go and leave God the Fvck out of your equations for Christ's sakes!! Unless unless even unless!,

      April 19, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • just sayin

      Continue to pray without ceasing. God bless

      April 19, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
  18. Laurence Ringo

    Wow,"Prolixian",take a deep breath,why don't ya!!(Is prolixian some type of drug?) With mighty warriors like yourself in the midst of the fray,I've no fear for the upholding of my health care rights!! As for your tiresome,incoherent diatribe against matters of faith,you and all my atheist friends should take this advice:Take a chill pill,and get over yourselves!! If most of you were half as clever as you think you are,you would realize the utter futility of warring against the presumably non-existant!After all,if there is no god,what's the problem?I have yet to read about how the premise that God exists has impacted the lives of any of those who do the most foaming at the mouth over the subject in any major detrimental way;so far,all I've read is a continual toxic screed of insulting,hate-filled,mindless pseudo-intellectual gibberish!! Just rest your necks,people!Move on!!

    April 19, 2012 at 7:22 am |
    • Prolixian

      Is that the best you can do? Seriously? Feel free to believe whatever you like. I'm serious.

      Just don't shove it into my life. I don't share your particular religion. I have religious freedom rights too.
      That's why it doesn't matter if your god exists or not. You don't want me having the same rights as you.
      Go ahead and get conned out of all your money, your time, and your ability to think clearly. That stuff is your problem.

      When you impact my life it becomes my problem. Then WE have a problem. I get real nasty. Maybe you don't like it.
      That's too bad. I'm not doing anything but talking. I'm not even standing on the streetcorner with a sign.
      If I wanted to be like you, I'd make laws against being stupid, laws against being insane, and laws against being insane and stupid due to religion.
      Then I'd make laws against lying, expand and clarify the laws against fraud, and have you in a death camp inside a week.
      But at least I would be basing my laws against you on anything that didn't exist or that couldn't be proven to cause the problems I'd be pointing at. I'd be basing my laws on clear facts, clear reasoning and logic, and common sense.
      And in the end it would be a matter of if we could find funding for your mental health needs or would we need to just put you in a camp somewhere because we couldn't afford to help you.
      At the moment, I would rather see people like you on the receiving end of the sorts of crap you love to dish out but can't take.
      Don't worry, I only have time to type a few things, not march down the street to pepper-spray you at your house.
      You're quite a weenie if you can't handle a few harsh words now and again. Is your faith so weak as that?

      April 19, 2012 at 7:41 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      @ Ringo. "Prolixin" (Fluphenazine) is an antipsychotic medication used to treat schizophrenia and psychotic symptoms such as hallucinations, delusions, and hostility. Google is a wonderful thing.

      April 19, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • Prolixian

      Just one more reason to crack down on Big Pharma. I am prolix in my writing. I had no idea there was a drug called prolixin.
      Oh well. That's how the random name generator bounces.

      April 19, 2012 at 9:50 am |
  19. Prolixian

    What so-called powers does your god have?
    Step right up and watch as your god is proven to be total nonsense right here before your eyes!

    If I don't have time, someone else may have to step in to explain reality to the delusional idiots. Don't worry, it's so easy to show how any of these gods do not exist. Expect plenty of blind insanity from the religious. It is their one common characteristic throughout history.

    April 19, 2012 at 6:15 am |
    • Plain Ol' Dreamer

      Prolixian scrbbled,,,,,,, "What so-called powers does your god have?"

      Husbandry perhaps? Labouring "together" with his creations' innermost means', mechanisms? Keeping this universe on par within its' spheres of planetial abundancies while hardly ever creating a proverbial train-wreck causing the Cosmos' wholesomeness to come to an immediate End? Can you not see in the outer space places only the things presented? God is an oh so busy "man" that God needs no one person who is ladled with jaelousies and zealotness and greed mindives like most of us are contending with! Let Go! Let God alone for Christ's sakes!

      April 19, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Phosphorus

      Your gawd is a sky fairy.

      April 19, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  20. Prolixian

    There will never be peace until we stop crazy and / or greedy people from damaging our social structures and causing so many problems based on crazy stuff or greedy stuff. Rational realism is infinitely better than any irrational delusion unless the mind cannot handle some aspect of reality. Then they need therapy, not mindless delusion.
    Health care is necessary for the protection, defense, and welfare of every nation, every individual human being.
    When you fight against health care, you are fighting against the strength and abilities of the people and of the nation to defend themselves.
    People who are too sick to think clearly or do a good job weaken the abilities of the society they are in to adapt, overcome, improvise, and deal with any situation good or bad.
    Health care should be a right enforced and managed by governments. The private sector will always have large conflicts of interest and cannot be trusted to do anything selfless like health care. Gouging sick people is reprehensible and always will be.

    April 19, 2012 at 5:50 am |
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