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April 30th, 2012
11:28 AM ET

Dan Savage offends teens with Bible bash

(CNN)–Christian teens walked out on a speech by author/activist Dan Savage when he spoke out against parts of the Bible.

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Bill

    Who is this moron.I have never heard of him.Seems to me the only people he can bully is teens.He is not a motivational speaker.He is just trying to get attention.Poor excuse for a human.

    April 30, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • I LOVE TOILET PAPER

      What's wrong? Truth hurt? Poor little baby.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by Bill is an instance of the ad hominem fallacy.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      May 1, 2012 at 10:08 am |
  2. Justaman

    Of course the bible was written by men! who else would it be written by?! A monkey?! A donkey?! A bird?! come on now!!

    April 30, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  3. Debbie

    I Sincerely hope some of the teens who walked out will see this comment:

    Good for you!..You did the right thing! Continue to stand up for God's word. I'm sure many of us are very proud of you. God bless you!

    April 30, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      It isn't God's word in that book; it is mans words, and many of those words are awful. But of course it is completely unreasonable to expect a Christian to listen to such a message. You have already made your decision, and the rest of us must live with the consequences.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Debbie

      @danielwalldammit................You obviously don't know anything about the Bible. The words were inspired by God's Holy Spirit. If you don't know that you don't know enough to even argue about it. You just another Bible basher.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • momoya

      I know quite a bit about the bible and have read it more times than 99% of christians I've met.. It makes a lot more sense once you realize it is a bunch of myths borrowed from other cultures and heavily revised about twenty or thirty times or so..

      April 30, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      Lol, keep saying that Debbi, and maybe on some really good days you'll find yourself an audience that helps you pretend its true.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • just sayin

      'Debbie

      @danielwalldammit................You obviously don't know anything about the Bible. The words were inspired by God's Holy Spirit. If you don't know that you don't know enough to even argue about it. You just another Bible basher."
      .
      Fact the bible was written by men...beyond that it is assumption and wishful thinking. Fact...your faith starts in man, not a God. Your assumption leads you to believe it is in a God....but it still starts in man.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Hal

      hmmmm....funny, Moslems don't seem to be ridiculed...and I wonder...what is their stance on being Gay....Dan???? Maybe you should go over to Saudi Arabia and find out. Somehow liberals are so quick to demean Christians...but the crickets chirp when it comes to other faiths....and why are so many people who espouse and want 'tolerance' some of the most intolerant folks????

      April 30, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • just sayin

      I have to chuckle everytime I hear someone say God's Word. The bible was completely fabricated with cut/paste stories by men. People liek Debbie have wishful thinking that God was some how involved in the Council of Nicea. Her faith is riding on the few men that reviewed all the stores of Jesus etc as well as cutting some of the Jewish texts...YES THE WORD OF A GOD...dictated by a few men because God cannot write nor speak. lol

      April 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Debbie

      @momoya............If you have read the Bible several times and have just a little intelligence you would have seen the many many prophecies and how they were fulfilled and are still being fulfilled. Proof positive it didn't come from myths. Educated yourself with world history and read it again. You learn something.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • just sayin

      Hal

      hmmmm....funny, Moslems don't seem to be ridiculed...and I wonder...what is their stance on being Gay....Dan???? Maybe you should go over to Saudi Arabia and find out. Somehow liberals are so quick to demean Christians...but the crickets chirp when it comes to other faiths....and why are so many people who espouse and want 'tolerance' some of the most intolerant folks????
      .
      And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The Muslims are a whole other f up'd bunch equal to the Christians Taliban. Both are delusional and unsound in thought. Now back to the subject please. Focus Hal...stay with us.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • just sayin

      Debbie

      @momoya............If you have read the Bible several times and have just a little intelligence you would have seen the many many prophecies and how they were fulfilled and are still being fulfilled. Proof positive it didn't come from myths. Educated yourself with world history and read it again. You learn something.
      .
      Sorry no proof, subjective opinion on generalized writings or events...please try again.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • just sayin

      Superst i tious people are easily controlled, directed and manipulated.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • Debbie

      I have to go to work now so to all the Christian haters and know nothing wanna-be Bible scholars I'll leave you with this: Someday when you stand before God and say "Sorry Lord I thought the Bible was just a bunch of myths" Well....I would not want to be in your place.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • Herman

      I'm with Debbie. And I do agree with Momoya BUT everything we have today is inspired and rewrites of our last as well. It doesn;t mean it is useless of worthless. Different people have different ideas about why they do things and what 'inspries' them to write. Even if the Bible is simply a set of ideas, we as humans create our future through the ideas of those before us. I will not venture to say who is right in this debate as it really does not matter. Our lives will someday end and we may find out then. What I do know is that there is such hostility toward those who believe and always the blame is on some past infraction or some person or group not leading the life as one believes one should who claims to believe. All this is silly ir4sponsibility. There are some who use the belief to look down upon others. There are all kinds of people who believe and who do not. Shal we take single incedences of those who fall and paint all non-believers or believers with those incidences, we all look the same.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • just sayin

      "Debbie

      I have to go to work now so to all the Christian haters and know nothing wanna-be Bible scholars I'll leave you with this: Someday when you stand before God and say "Sorry Lord I thought the Bible was just a bunch of myths" Well....I would not want to be in your place."
      .
      Refer to my psot regarding superst i tous people. They let fear dictate their decisions

      April 30, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • jerry

      Debbie, don't let these folks get you down. The fact is the them not believing in God or His Word does not change the fact that He is real and alive. Its just ignorant pride and self delusion that make these people think that their little minds(our too) can come close to figuring out life, death and spiritual things without God's truth. ...so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:10-11) Believe it or not, like it or not, changes NOTHING!

      April 30, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • jerry

      also, remember....nobody ever came to Christ through an argument. Speak the truth and then dust your feet off. Do you really expect any less than this from the world? The Bible even says that the message of the cross is foolishness to the unbelieving! Our job is to share the truth, with love in the Spirit, not to make it sink in....that is for God to do(or not, His choice).

      April 30, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • David

      Debbie...I agree with you and applaud you for speaking up. I think it is scary how things are becoming...I've witnessed it first hand here in NC lately with the Marriage Act...but reading these posts against you and Christians in general reminds me of how the Bible mentions how we will be persecuted more and more...I'm very proud of young people that stand up it shines a little hope in a dark world...

      April 30, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • momoya

      Debbie , I believed the bible and studied it as hard as I could for nearly fifty years.. It took me far too long, but eventually I figured out that it only made sense if you read it one particular way: As a book of glued-together, fabricated and rehashed, revised and rewritten myths.. The bible's prophecies are "fulfilled" the same way Muslim and Hindu prophecies are fulfilled–confirmation bias and revision.. Research that book, don't just believe it..

      April 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • momoya

      OH, please, David.. The last several "wars" in the US have been justified by appealing to the christian god.. Every single president has been a christian, and almost ever single politician in all of the US, and 88% of the population are christian.. Yeah, right, you're being oppressed.. Sure.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • just sayin

      The fact is the them not believing in God or His Word does not change the fact that He is real and alive.
      .
      Actually you spoke in error or a liar. It is not a fact, rather an opinion, assumption and wishfull thinking. That is why you need faith to believe in something yet to be proven to exist.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • David

      the only reason you came up with an 88% number is because the people putting those stats together do not understand what a christian is...i can guarantee you that is incorrect...either way...i just find it amazing how when a christian points out their view how quickly people attack and negate it....especially hatefully...nothing was even said by debbie or myself in a "pointing the finger manner" at first...her statement about standing before God was a little straight forward, but true all the same. I'm sure some of the reasoning for her wording is how she's being attacked rather than debated..either way neither her or myself can make anyone believe anything. we have the right to speak what we believe to be true as do you. we will just have to wait and see what happens when the world eventually comes to an end...

      April 30, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • momoya

      OH please, David.. You remind me of what the Muslims say when you talk with them about their massive numbers.. 'Oh, no, the sikhs aren't true muslims and that other group over there aren't true muslims, neither those over there.. Really, we're only about ninety people or so..

      Seriously, dude.. If 88% CLAIM to be christian, then they'll largely support christian ideas and initiatives even though you don't consider them christian.. You see, your claim that they aren't christian affects them acting as they feel they should as a christian about as much as telling some muslims they aren't muslims.. Got it now? good.

      May 1, 2012 at 9:59 am |
  4. prayertable

    Unfortunately for US CHRISTIANS we don't have the best representatives as media likes to show. Even so-called good living Christians don't defend this topic. This is one topic we will never win with since it is so touchy and personal and emotional. Do I understand why my God would not like this, yes, he made women for men, period. Do I agree, not really, but will I obey the things God tells me is wrong, yes. And guess what my action is to Gays, LOVE 'EM! And share with them the great news The Lord has for all of us.

    April 30, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  5. La Rinda Pradia

    Pansy ass,really but so many miss the fact that this anti bible bully who is trying to push his beliefs

    April 30, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      Only Christians are allowed to do that.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  6. kate

    I wonder where were the adults in this situation while their children were being ridiculed by an evil sodomite? They should have stood up immediately and told this man in no uncertain terms that you did not talk to these students like that. Then they should contact those who hired this man and ask for an apology. Maybe a lawsuit would be in order.

    April 30, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      speaking of christards ...

      April 30, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      I wonder where the adults were when you were writing that post.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • momoya

      Their children WERE NOT being ridiculed.. Are you incredibly stupid or did you just not pay attention??

      April 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      @Kate: The liberalization/removal of God from America (which will be America's downfall) won't allow for the punishment of Anti-Christian bias, just like it doesn't allow the punishment of anti-white bias.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • James Madison

      Lawsuit? Really? Never heard of Freedom Of Speech and Freedom Of (and from) Religion?

      Christians are so anti-American!

      April 30, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Debbie

      Well said Kate.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • momoya

      @Debbie

      Really? Who was ridiculed, and how?

      April 30, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Kryczek

      I thought he was dead from AIDS.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Debbie

      @momoya....To answer your question: To ridicule God and His word is to ridicule them.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • momoya

      He didn't ridicule god, did he?? No.. He ridiculed those who would follow only the OT laws on ho.mos.exuality but shun the OT laws on sla.very.. He didn't ridicule god or believers, but rather, those believers who are hypocritical cherry-pickers on OT law.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • just sayin

      "Debbie

      @momoya....To answer your question: To ridicule God and His word is to ridicule them."
      .
      The people in the ME think the same way. *rolling eyes* get over it..I am sure your mighty God can take care of themselves. Christians do not need to concern themselves what people think of their myth or Tinkerbell.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • WASP

      @kate and debbie: i can respect those children for being better christians then you two. they didn't attack him or try anything stupid, they didn't like what he was saying so they walked out. it was their right to decide whther to stay or go. the guy apologized for his aggressive words, to me that shows him to be better than most religious freaks because they don't like to apologize for attempting to keep equal rights from others that don't think like they do. freedom of choice on what a female does with her body, nope can't allow that, equal marriage for both same gender and opposing gender couples nope can't allow that, contreceptives and se.x education nope can't have that it may prevent teen pregnancy and lower STD rates. your book saids no to so much that they should be saying yes to things that help make life equal and better for all......but they don't mind hiding their peds from us though, even though sodomy is against they law in human world and godly world.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • Spate

      Kate:

      Statements end with periods, stupid.

      May 1, 2012 at 10:07 am |
  7. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    Future christard drones walked out of a speech that mentions the bible may not be accurate. What a surprise.

    April 30, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      I think his comments on the Bible were right on the mark, and I think the decision to walk out was unsound. But no, this doesn't make them retarded, either now or in the future.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      LET's Religiousity Law #3 – If you habitually spout off verses from your "holy" book to make whatever inane point you're trying to make, and not once does it occur to you to question whether your book is accurate in the first place, then you are definitely mentally retarded.

      'nuff said

      April 30, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • just sayin

      "Lucifer's Evil Twin

      LET's Religiousity Law #3 – If you habitually spout off verses from your "holy" book to make whatever inane point you're trying to make, and not once does it occur to you to question whether your book is accurate in the first place, then you are definitely mentally retarded.

      'nuff said"
      .
      Yes Christians are practice magic when they quote a scripture expecting something magical to come from it or "power in The Word" lol No different than Harry Potter types lol

      April 30, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • just sayin

      Not sure what the are is doing there lol

      April 30, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Hal

      hmmmm....funny, Moslems don't seem to be ridiculed by liberals in the same way that Christians are..and I wonder...what is Islam's stance on being Gay....Dan???? Maybe you should go over to Saudi Arabia and find out. Somehow liberals are so quick to demean Christians...but the crickets chirp when it comes to other faiths....and why are so many people who espouse and want 'tolerance' some of the most intolerant folks????

      April 30, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  8. momoya

    Why does the Belief Blog report on some stories four or five times??. There's already two stories on Sav.age, and I bet there'll be more to come.. CNN posted about five different articles on Osteen last week, I guess it'll be Sav.age this week?

    April 30, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
  9. jimtanker

    "HeavenSent

    Remember Jesus' teachings on love. If it weren't for his truth your parents could have thrown you out in the streets as soon as you were born."

    OK, THE stupidest thing that I've read today. Of course without the bible people wouldn't know not to throw their chilideren into the street. They would have no idea that they were supposed to feed them and clothe them and love them. How silly of us.

    April 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  10. fred

    We are all a bunch of sheep just as Jesus said. Sheep will follow and everyone understands what a wolf in sheep clothing is all about. Problem is you are so busy attacking Christians and the Bible you cannot see the wolf. Somehow there is claim running about this website that the world would be better without Christians. Hitler said the world would be better without Jews and good people turned on their fellow man and did terrible things. The Catholic has been beaten to a pulp the by media for 15 years now simply because of need to strike the head of Christianity. Atheists and the Gay community have been played by those who wish to destroy what Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot could not. The lie that Christians rob you of your freedom and are filled with hate has filled your mind. You now believe the lie and soon the youth that followed Hitler will follow George Soros until it is Christians hiding in the closet.
    A godless world is not better and has never existed on this planet. What you have in Iran you will have here except under a secular flag. Wake up now because once the word of God is silenced only the word of your new tryant will be heard. Only a fool would think this new tyrant that hates Christ would have compassion on anyone that does not serve him.

    April 30, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • flintstone

      If you are a sheep, which is worse: the wolf who is going to eat you, or the shepard who is taking you off to slaughter?

      April 30, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • fred

      The bad shephard. The difference is glaring. The Good Shephard gave his life for the sheep while the bad shephard leads them to an eternal death for his own gain.
      If you hate Jesus or God in general at least follow your reason and ask would you rather follow a leader that really cares or one that is using you.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • JA

      Couldnt have said it better fred.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • George

      We certainly appear to be very gullible based on history with a herd mentality. What we wear and what we drive breaks down to being part of the herd. A major worldwide disaster would result if a godless tyrant or the Ayatollah took the reins of the new world order. Even God knew this very well and the Tower of Babble is Gods solution to this potential problem.
      Perhaps you would do better to promote Peripatric speciation rather than a particular Christian belief. Atheists and Gays would find that solution reasonable in avoiding “group think” that could lead to a global power structure. First we need to conclude that a global tyrant is of greater threat than a mix of superpowers that rise and fall. Given history only provides a pattern of the rise and fall of nations resulting from external or internal conflict that is all we know. I like the idea of staying with devil we know rather than an unknown. My vote is for peripatric speciation with at minimum 3 superpowers that have identifiable characteristics so we know who the bad guys are.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
  11. Chris T. Rolling

    As a Christian I am offended by this man, his remarks and some of the comments I'm reading here today. We have been persecuted long enough. When will it end?

    April 30, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • momoya

      Yeah, all that persecution where 88% of the population is christian and every single president has been christian and where christian beliefs are kowtowed to by the government and where the catholics get to dictate to the president what laws they will and won't follow.. Yeah, you're really persecuted!! HAHAHAHAHA

      April 30, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • just sayin

      No wonder the Romans fed your types to the lions. Pathetic. Yeah you guys are so pursecuted these days..>*rolling eyes*....take the sand out of your Jesus panties.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Chris T. Rolling –
      Chris, Christians aren't persecuted; in fact, you are protected by the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Consti.tution. Things become problematic, however, when any religion attempts to insert it's beliefs into our secular government, violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Consti.tution. You see how that works? Worship in whatever way your sensibilities and reason (or lack thereof) permit...just keep it out of government.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Edgar Allen

      You are persecuting us Christians! You don't let us hate and oppress gays! Persecution, no two ways about it!

      April 30, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      It's absolutely terrible when people fight back isn't it.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
  12. jimtanker

    Cafeteria christians = people who take only the good parts of their religion and deny the evil parts.

    April 30, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • So Be It

      And like cafeteria food, there really isn't anything good, but the bad is really bad.

      April 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      One could only wish more believers actually read the Bible. they might then know what they were committing to.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Kryczek

      Cafeteria Gays = just telling the good parts....oh there isn't any except for the AIDS part.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • momoya

      Kry must be one of those loving christians whose words are appropriate in season and out like apples of gold in settings of silver.. Preys Jay-sus!

      April 30, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  13. JA

    It's funny how an anti-bullying speech turns into such hateful and rude remarks. I agree that there are some who give their own belief a bad name, but not everyone of that belief acts the same. Why should someone of any belief or non-belief be on the receiving end of any hatred when it wasn't their doing in the first place?

    April 30, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Noci try

      A gay man standing up against the hatred of Christians towards gays is hate? They support anti-gay laws and practices.

      They alligned themselves with bigotry, they better be prepared to be treated as bigots.

      April 30, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • JA

      for example:
      I'm a christian, and i dont hate gays. why should i be on the receiving end?

      What i was trying to say is that this man WAS on the receiving end, but now is projecting his anger towards some who most likely didnt give it to him in the first place. I commend those who walked out instead of returning what was given to them.

      April 30, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • ertdfg

      "They support anti-gay laws and practices. "

      All Christians do? These kids do? THEY'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE.

      But I guess punishing, mocking, berating, an belittling kids for what their parents do is a good thing now.

      In an anti-bullying seminar...

      How the heck does that make any damned sense at all? I mean seriously, what sort of logic do you call that?

      April 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • JA

      exactly.

      "Tuesaday Night AA meeting! BYOB!"

      April 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • JA

      oops typo, dont be hatin

      April 30, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • momoya

      ertdfg

      What you said?? That's pretty much exactly what the bible-ministers of the south said when the abolitionists claimed slavery was wrong.. The bible has a bunch of really, really stupid sh!t in it, so you're going to have to figure out some way to deal with it.

      April 30, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @JA
      I believe if you listen to the video again it will be clear to you that Mr. Sava.ge's original as.sertion was not an attack on Christians, but rather a statement regarding the "B S" in the bible that is used to justify discrimination against ho.mose.xuals (however, his extemporaneous characterization of those leaving the lecture in response his comment was improper).
      Consider this – if your religion justifies discrimination, isn't it time to find a new (or no) religion or, at least, find a new interpretation of your holy book?

      April 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • JA

      ok, so even if he wasnt attacking christianity, did he honestly think he was not going to offend any christian? Offending someone is emotional attack. Im just saying that these kids. who most likely did nothing personal to this man, did not deserve this. Would it be fair to your spouse if you came home all grumpy towards her because of situations at work? No its not fair because she did not cause you to be grumpy. My point is that, this man was speaking out against bullying at the same time he was bullying.

      Anywho, I have my own interpretation of the Bible and thats that. Some have interpretations that cause a lot of conflict with others. My interpretation would cause conflict with other Christians. To simply put it, I dont believe being gay is a sin. This is where my interpretation comes from:

      John 9 As Jesus was walking along, he saw a man who had been blind from birth. 2 “Rabbi,” his disciples asked him, “why was this man born blind? Was it because of his own sins or his parents’ sins?”

      3 “It was not because of his sins or his parents’ sins,” Jesus answered. “This happened so the power of God could be seen in him. 4 We must quickly carry out the tasks assigned us by the one who sent us.[a] The night is coming, and then no one can work. 5 But while I am here in the world, I am the light of the world.”

      I have a lot more to say on that subject, but this article is about something different, so ill just leave it at that.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      "did he honestly think he was not going to offend any christian? Offending someone is emotional attack"

      Oh Puhhhhhlease. An emotional attack? Pointing out things that are actually in the bible and how those things are obviously immoral by today's standard is an 'emotional attack'. Please do everyone a favor and grow some thicker skin.

      So we must all never say anything that might possibly say anything that will ever offend anyone? If I talk about racial diversity, am I 'attacking' rascists? If I talk about the holocaust am I 'attacking' the deniers? Honestly, in such a world we would never talk at all.

      Get. Over. Yourself.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • jimtanker

      You may not believe it but your book CLEARLY says that they are an "abomination" and should be kiIIed. How can you justify B S like that?

      Oh, SNAP!!! Did I call it B S? Oh well.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @JA –
      Your really need to let this one go...your position is quickly becoming friable.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • JA

      *facepalm*

      No, the reason this man is speaking today is because he was obviously offended by someone who preached their own interpretation of what is says about "being gay". You cant tell me that he read the bible and all of a sudden wanted to call on a press conference saying how offended he was. This man was offended by someone or more and is returning his offense towards others that most likely havent done anything towards him in the first place.

      jimtanker

      I believe there is a difference between being gay and ho.mos.exuality. Gay is a feeling and ho.mos.exuality is an action. Yes the bible condemns ho.mos.exuality, but not being gay. Lets say you get really angry at someone and want to take his life, but you wont because there is a moral standard you follow by, either your belief or the law. Feeling does not equal action.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • JA

      Really-o

      I dont think so dude. My feet stand firm.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @JA –
      Your feet (I assume that is a metaphor for belief) may stand firm, but your arguments are shaky to non-existent.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • JA

      My bottom line is he should be speaking at the WBC. Why would you offend someone who did not offend you in the first place?

      April 30, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @JA
      Mr. Sava.ge spoke the truth as he see's it. If some CHOSE to take offence, that is their right, but also their responsibility. There is no protection from "offensive speech" in the First Amendment.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • JA

      very true Really-O. No argument with you there. It would have been nice just to hear a little less profanity. But what ya gonna do.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • momoya

      Why would somebody offend someone who hasn't offended them first????? Really? So all offense in this world is of universal common descent?? Wow, that's quite a claim.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  14. Hypatia

    Typical learned behavior: if it doesn't jive with what Pastor Redneck yelled at us, it ain't wurthy and we're gettin' our guns to prove it.

    April 30, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      It's a shame that he gave them an excuse to play victim.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  15. b4bigbang

    They weren't fleeing. Christians never flee. They were bravely executing a tactical advance to the rear.

    April 30, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Boom

      A few priest have been caught doing that.

      April 30, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Rimshot

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34&w=640&h=360]

      April 30, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • fred

      Ba ba Boom, you nailed the bigbang big time. Big time baby big time.

      April 30, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  16. Reality

    One more time: The Facts–

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male.

    April 30, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Reality...you can post a book but...gays chose to be gay, just like pedophiles chose to stalk children. But then they're trying to normalize that also. What's next, marrying your dog?

      April 30, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Atheist Hunter: When did you choose to be straight? Was there a certain age that you decided you wanted to be straight, or did you make the decision after you had ho-mose-xual relations?

      How would you know that they "choose" to be gay? The only way you could know for sure is if you are gay and you choose to act straight. Unless you are gay, you would have no point of reference, right?

      Moron.

      April 30, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • fred

      Atheist hunter, no, next is gay marriage among gay siblings. It's rare but already happening, and you can't do much about it.

      The times are a-changing and bible humpers are getting left in the dust in their obsolete world. Go back to your room and hump your bible.

      April 30, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Eric G, it's called free will.

      April 30, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Heaven Sent

      Just like people with blue eyes or six fingers got that way from free will.

      April 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Eric G

      @HeavenSent: What is called "free will"? I guess you never researched "logical fallacies" as I suggested?

      April 30, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
  17. Col. Nathan R. Jessup

    "You can't handle the truth!"

    April 30, 2012 at 11:53 am |
  18. Good

    Interesting. Christians cannot stand to hear that their Bible and beliefs are filled with hate speech.

    Slavery? It's okay, just follow our protocols. Gays? Kill them. Flat nose or your johnson was cut off? Stay the hell out of our church. Women? Shut up and do what you're told.

    And they are shocked that people don't warmly accept Christianity bigotry.

    April 30, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • momoya

      He's talking about god's instructions for believers who are slave owners..Quick!! Get up!! Speed walk to the back!! Whew!!

      April 30, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • The Strategic Basis of a Typical Christian Response to Criticism

      Run away! Run away!!!

      April 30, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Remember Jesus' teachings on love. If it weren't for his truth your parents could have thrown you out in the streets as soon as you were born. How long would you have lasted? If that were the case, you wouldn't be able to blog your nonsense.

      April 30, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • ertdfg

      Yeah, how dare they leave... they should have called him names, insulted him, and mocked him... that's what he shows is correct to do when someone has beliefs different from yours... right?

      Mocking children for disagreeing with you can calling them names at an anti-bullying speech... brilliant. Show them what NOT to do.

      Why is walking away from someone insulting your beliefs a problem?

      And you're shocked people don't warm to gay/athiest anti-Christian bigotry?

      Weird that you aren't more clever than that... how does insulting people get them on your side again? If that worked wouldn't gay kids getting bullies realize being gay was wrong and they should stop?

      We all know it doesn't work and simply fosters hatred, resentment, and making kids feel bad... so WHY ARE YOU DOING THE SAME DAMNED THING HERE?

      April 30, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • momoya

      1. Of course they can leave because he's not holding them down and beating up on them.. That's what he advocates–letting people walk away without fear of further bullying..
      2. He never mocked children, stop lying, you christian.
      3. Walking away from somebody who insults you isn't a problem unless they're also holding you down and beating you up.. Great point.
      4. Nope, I'm not shocked by what fundiots do–ever.
      5. He wasn't insulting unless you really advocate bringing back slavery–then... maybe.. you just might be able to make a case that he was insulting you or them.
      6. Expressing ideas and leaving them open for debate is what helps.. Not telling kids the truth about the bible's position on slavery and asking them why they ignore some verses and comandments but not others is not fostering hate.. People have the right to express themselves and others can walk out.

      April 30, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
  19. *facepalm*

    I suppose if people choose to be ignorant and can't handle criticism, that's their prerogative.

    April 30, 2012 at 11:44 am |
  20. momoya

    Good.. Let's see much more of this..

    April 30, 2012 at 11:40 am |
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