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May 1st, 2012
02:41 PM ET

House candidate and rising GOP star is black, female - and Mormon

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - To call Mia Love a minority is an understatement. She’s a black woman who won an upset primary race to become the Republican candidate in Utah’s 4th Congressional District. If elected, she’d be the first black Republican congresswoman in the House of Representatives.

Love, who has attracted lots of national Republican support, also stands out because of her religion: She’s a Mormon. The politician is a poster child for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ campaign to present a more diverse face to a historically very white church.

“There are a lot of people who have tried to define me as a person,” Love, a daughter of Haitian immigrants, told CNN’s Kyra Phillips in an interview Tuesday. “I’m not a victim, and I don’t allow anybody to put me in a box.”

Speaking from Salt Lake City, she said, “There may be some challenges. But ... I love this place and love the people that are here, and I represent their beliefs and values.”

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Love is featured in a video series produced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as part of its “I’m a Mormon” campaign, which aims to bring the faith of about 14 million members worldwide into the mainstream.

In the CNN interview, Love talked about how Mormonism would affect Mitt Romney’s candidacy more than her own, which is happening in the most Mormon state in the nation.

“You know I don’t think those are the issues that Americans really care about,” Love said when asked about the role of Romney’s religion in the presidential campaign. “I think Americans care about jobs, the economy; they care about the debt and deficit spending. … Being a Mormon is part of who he is as a person, and I don’t think it should deter from the issues.”

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Love’s “I’m a Mormon” video shows her working as the mayor of Saratoga Springs, Utah, her current job.

“I am the mayor of Saratoga Springs and I love it,” she says in the video. “I get to make this life better for me and better for others.

“My friends from back home are always saying, ‘What are you doing in Utah?'” she says in the video, referring to her East Coast upbringing. “What they don’t know is that when I came here I felt accepted.”

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- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: 2012 Election • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints • Mormonism • Politics • TV-CNN Newsroom

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  1. pbernasc

    Female black and mormon for the GOP? How much money did she get?

    May 1, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Jeanine

      I'm sure she gets all kinds of stuff from the Morons in the GOP.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
      • pbernasc

        I don't blame her for taking what they give .. she will anyway vote Obama .. he he

        May 1, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • Mtheumer

      I guess Michael Steele and Herman Cain didn't work out. There's still Allen West, but I think he's a little high on the "Crazometer"

      May 1, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
      • pbernasc

        yeah ... one wonders, how come the only African Americans who plays into the GOP field, end up being weirdos ..
        Of course, there is a noticeable exception: I would vote for General Powell no questions asked. Then again .. he is not running ...

        May 1, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • ChrisB

      II love the hypocrisy that spews from the left when a black person dare strays off the liberal plantation. Well played.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
      • pbernasc

        u said right .. why would a slave vote for his owner?
        unless she was in bed with the owner?

        Jealous of the "left" winning the elections once again?
        Get used to it ... u will have an African American President at least till 2016, get used to it ...

        May 1, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • Tim

      Given what the GOP policies mean for women and African Americans, Mia Love is to modern America what Benedict Arnold was to revolutionary America, or Henri Philippe Petain was to France, or Wang Jingwei was to China.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
      • pbernasc

        Well .. let's not give her too much ado ... despite their sad stories, the individuals you mentioned were real leaders .. not in a positive sense, but surely in a historical sense. For Mia to reach that level of collaborationism with the evil enemy , she would have to advocate a joined Al Qaeda-GOP government of the USA.
        No, she is just selling her body and image to well paying slaves owners .. that's all. Under Limbaugh's terminology she wold just be a .. well , "woman who sells her services to the ones who pay for them ... "
        This said .. her political ideas and right to chose what to think and say shall be respected.

        May 1, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • sarah

      I think she will be good for the GOP and show those loudmouth radicals that they are not in charge.

      May 1, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
      • pbernasc

        really .. did u hear her talking points? right out of the per thought play book by the TEA party beggars. She is nothing else but another who think she can ride the current right wing radicalization of the GOP ... I bet she does not think any of the think she says .. she is just aiming at power, which makes her a true GOPer ..

        May 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • blam

      technically she is not black cuz she is not african american seeing how her parents came from haiti of their own free will...
      now did they come here illegally? but then again isnt haiti one of those countries where ALL peeps were allowed in back in their day?

      May 1, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Joe

      Liberals love to pretend that Conservatives are racist. More leftist lies. Truth be told, bigotry is really the house of lib. The only reason they vote for people like Obama, Reed, etc, is that they know they are more likely to go along with the gay agenda. Other than that, they tend to hate Blacks, religious people, and other minorities.

      So, then technically Obama isn't black either??

      May 7, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  2. Glenn

    This is news??? Why don't you publish news stories about how the Mormon founder, Joseph Smith, was arrested for fraud and tracked down for stealing the secret rituals of the Masonic Temple fraternity? So becoming Mormon has nothing to do with scripture as these folks would have to believe that God lives on his own planet called Kolob. Ask a Mormon about how their "book" portrays people with "dark skin". It is frightening!! How about the genetic connection between Jews and Navajos???

    May 1, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • nairb247

      Your comments are so ill informed it isn't even funny. But keep reading anti stuff as opposed to finding out what is actually correct.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • Birch please

      Christians stole most of their "ideas" from an Iranian religion. Mormons are just the more recent evolutionary step in the Abrahamic epic.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • Bill Fitzgerald

      Indians are from the tribe of Joseph not the tribe of Judah(jews). Read the Book of Mormon before you attempt to make up stuff. Jacob 2:25, Ether 13:7, Alma 46:23, 3Nephi 25:12. Need any more references? Would you like a Book of Mormon? Also, I have read hundreds of LDS church books and the entire 7 Volume set of church history twice. And have not read anything about your so called masonic stuff. 99 % of the garbage written about Joseph is false. Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah. Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer. Blessed to open the last dispensation.......

      May 1, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Jesus

      I bought some magic Mormon underwear to sleep in. It itches my skin.

      May 1, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • Joe

      The first Mormon Church President was also arrested, he was crucified upside down. Does that make Mormons the bigots, or you? Not sure. The LDS temple has been shown to predate the Masons, it is much closer to the original Christian Temple rites.
      The evidence for the Book of Mormon is mountainous. The people most closely related to Native Americans are Jews and Central Asians who are related to Lehi, the Book of Mormon founding father.

      May 7, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
  3. Jeff

    African Americans joining the Mormon cult is like a jew joining the Nazi movement. Both want to be part of a group that officially despises them.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • Jeanine

      Hey, I know of a Black Supremacist who is a Republican, a hater, a liar, and a real sleazeball. The GOP loves that stuff.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • nairb247

      You have no clue about what you speak. The LDS church has always been one of the biggest proponents of civil rights.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • Tim Anderson

      Exactly. If she is going to join the Mormon cult or the Republican Party, she might as well join the KKK too.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • sarah

      I don't think the Mormon church despises black people. :/

      May 1, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • silverspringsward

      Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (AKA the Mormon Church), ran for POTUS and one of his campaign promises was the abolishion of slavery.

      May 1, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • blam

      she ISNT african american learn to read.... HAITI is not in Africa... thanks for playing

      May 1, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • WOW

      I find it ironic that one of the main motivations behind the Mormons being driven from Missouri and Illinois is that they were abolitionists and allowed freed slaves to live among them. Now the Mormons are branded as a racists cult. Wow, what a turnaround. Seems logical to me that it has to be one or the other. You cannot be a racist and a civil rights activist.

      May 2, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Joe

      Some Liberals pretend that conservatives are more racist and bigoted than they are. This is dishonest. In this century, you still find signs like this in places where liberals like to hang out: “No fats, fems, or Asians,” and there are still segregated special nights for African Americans in predominantly liberal bars, and, according to the HRC Blacks and other minorities are still treated like second-class citizens by predominantly liberal activist groups.

      And, in Comments and Media many liberals intentionally and dishonestly promote sad bigotry against religious persons.
      In past centuries this racism and bigotry has destroyed many millions of lives.

      Mormons, on the other hand, have condemned all racism, past and present, and research and history show that LDS are among the most progressive and nonbigoted of peoples.

      My Black LDS family members feel completely at home here in Utah County where Mia is Mayor (80% Mormon).

      We all are completely aware of the RELATIVELY mildly racist idea that Cain rejected the Priesthood, and so Blacks were marked. This idea was held among mainstream Christians. Brigham Young was a convert to the Church of Jesus Christ, his parents taught him some Congregationalist ideas (Obama's UCC Church), they thought a fiddle was bad, and didn't ordain Blacks to priesthood, along with the rest of America.

      I could show you quotes by Pope's, Pastors, etc that would make your hair fall out, but, it was mainly the philosophers and science that started the idea of the superiority of one race over another. LDS leaders have condemned this, past and present. All the research indicates that Mormons are less racist than others, past and present.

      May 7, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
  4. brotha blakmon

    What?!? A "black" republican? If she were a demcrat, why, she'd be uh african american.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • blam

      she ISNT african american.... unless u think HAITI is in AFRICA.... palin?

      May 1, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • HJD

      LOL, Haiti is not in Africa, the U.S. isn't either. What makes Americans of African descent "African Americans" then? Let's see... born in U.S. right? Well, unless Haiti has always been populated by black people (I bet you believe that), her ancestors are originally from Africa. This is a stupid argument (Haitian American vs African American) but I thought I'd share some very basic, common knowledge with you.

      May 2, 2012 at 11:48 am |
  5. JustSayn

    I think she's creepy

    May 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • Jesus

      I'd do her, but leave right afterwards.

      May 1, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
  6. Provoking Yes?

    Why is it that almost ALL sociopaths are atheist? Sscientific studies have shown this, now ofcourse not all atheists are sociopaths, but that's not my question.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • ha ha

      troll harder

      May 1, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • Provoking Yes?

      @haha

      I'm just asking a question, I'm not trolling. Way to provide a thoughtful and intellectual response though.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • William Demuth

      For the same reason most geniuses are.

      Brains can be a blessing or a curse.

      Bedside’s not all sociopaths are bad people!

      Look at me, I am well loved!

      May 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Seamus

      I'd love to read this "ALL sociopaths are atheists" study written by these "scientists" you speak of.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Jeanine

      Yes, let's see these studies. Cough'em up or STFU and GTFO.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • weaponsofmassdelight

      Because the word for Sociopath in the language of religion is devout.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • RapidOne

      William Demuth > Provoking Yes?

      Provoking Yes? = OWNED

      May 1, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • dave rable

      Actually, the idea of sociopaths being overwhelmingly atheist is correct, but not surprising. Like liberals in general, they cannot believe there is anyone or anything better than themselves. And, while most sociopaths don't bother to vote, those that do are almost all liberal democrats.

      May 1, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • sarah

      Denzel Washington said a sentence with sociopath and atheist in it. So it must be true.

      May 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  7. ArtInChicago

    Uhhhhhhh.....no.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
  8. Renny

    Unfortunately she is just a token. When I see a huge number of blacks at GOP/teabagger conventions and rallies and representing the GOP in Congress is the day I actually believe these few blacks like her are not mere tokens.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • ebo

      Gee, I'm sure it has nothing to do with her actual beliefs, it's just about being a token black. Great way of thinking there, buddy. In this country, being a minority and going AGAINST the norm, like being a Republican, is a great way to get called names like self-hater, sellout, confused, and even TOKEN. No wonder more don't stand up.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • JuneCleaversBeaver

      That's because the vast majority are too busy standing in the food stamp line

      May 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • ChrisB

      She kinda puts a wrench in the soft bigotry of the Democratic party script huh?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Jeanine

      "Soft bigotry" ? What? Why don't you explain?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • ChrisB

      Jeanine – its how Liberals assume that they own black people in America – so when a black person chooses to believe something else they are greeted with the vitriol all over this board. Its also known as racism ; )

      May 1, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • RapidOne

      The token remark is true. We have seen the Republicans do this several times already with the 'token' disappearing after they are found to not be useful. So before you open your big ignorant mouth, take a read and a careful look into the history of Republicans of the last couple of decades.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • RapidOne

      ChrisB - that sure is a load of cr'ap, hiding that Republicans HISTORICALLY have had tokens of different races who simply disappear from political light once they have outlasted their usefulness.

      Hmm, seems like Cain, Steele, Jindal, Palin and a host of others (trust me many others–GO READ FOR ISH SAKE) back up my assertion. See how yours is just absolute garbage from your bigoted mind?

      May 1, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Emory

      Like it or not, she makes the left nervous. I'm looking forward to seeing their true colors as they attempt to assassinate this woman's character. I also expect to see more like her (minorities who have succeeded on talent and hard work and happen to be conservative) step up and challenge the temple of Sharpton, Jackson, and the ideological strait jacket of the Democrat establishment.

      May 2, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • Doug

      "The politician is a poster child for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ campaign to present a more diverse face to a historically very white church."

      Really? Until recently the majority of Mormons in New Zealand were Maori even though the majority of people in that country are white. Joseph Smith said that the restore gospel (Mormonism) would fill North and South America. He knew perfectly well that meant people with Native American MtDNA would form a large portion of the membership as they do today.

      May 3, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • Joe

      There are many ways to try to justify hating Mormons, one of them is to pretend Mormons are racist. This is not true.
      The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS is mostly non-white. Obama's UCC is more white than LDS, and they have a racist past that no one discusses (I let you decide why). There are half a million Black LDS.

      May 7, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
  9. Ethics Board

    Who cares if she's black? Black, asian, middle eastern, latino... if she opposes gay marriage and doesn't support medicare/medicaid, she's certainly not "star" in my book.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • Renny

      It matters to the GOP who is just using her

      May 1, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • sarah

      That I agree with. Politics is all that should matter.

      May 1, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • Joe

      Many gays justify their bigotry against Blacks and Mormons because both groups oppose gay marriage. Supporting traditional marriage is not bigotry, gay racism and anti-religious bigotry is bigotry....

      May 7, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  10. cheifStupidFeather

    Let the liberal hate machine start rolling!

    May 1, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • ebo

      You're absolutely right! So far, I see "Puppet" and "Token," lets see what else comes up!

      May 1, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • RapidOne

      The token remark is true. We have seen the Republicans do this several times already with the 'token' disappearing after they are found to not be useful. So before you open your big ignorant mouth, take a read and a careful look into the history of Republicans of the last couple of decades.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
  11. palintwit

    Very often a male teabagger will search a nearby trailer park for a female teabagger he can mate with. But first they must get written permission from their Queen Mother Sarah Palin. After permission is received they can spawn. Their offspring are then typically referred to as ' baggettes '.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • Felix El Gato

      It's only been a few years since the Mormons have allowed black people into their cult.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • janelle

      Hate to burst your bubble, but you've got it all backwards. Us teabaggers don't live in trailer parks, we are the ones who are working for a living supporting all the trailer trash liberals that collect their check every month.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • RapidOne

      janelle - Hate to burst YOUR bubble, but that is just the narrative given to you by your slave-owner and brainwashing demagogues. Many of use here who dislike the recent right-winger garbage are not Democrats, but are simply smart enough to hate Republicans. I can tell by the way you write that I and many of us here certainly make more money than you, so if you're going to use that little child argument, there you go. You are in the gutter compared to many of us. A leach and a slave who doesn't know better. Pathetic.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
  12. Shifter

    Well, the Jewish Ghetto Police thought they were doing the right thing at the time too.

    May 1, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
  13. William Demuth

    Besides, this chick is from Haiti. Vodoo dolls and Mormonisim

    Santería witch she is, got heaps of mojo powers!

    She probably has to read the chicken bones before she votes.

    Crazy Cult island with seriously tweaking people!

    May 1, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • AJ

      Actually, she is not from Haiti (read the article). She is from the East Coast. New England has a good Haitian population, and a good LDS Haitian population, too. No voodoo here, Jack.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  14. Pete

    This poor woman has it stacked against her,being black,Mormon,Haitian,a republican ,and a woman,what gives.The only thing going for her is she's from a highly Mormon state and that states popular cult protects its own.We'll see with time how much of her religious beliefs challenge her thinking politically,that rightwing upbringing will try to interfere with her religion and they'll be a collision of what's morally right and what's right politically for her constintuants.I can say one thing,she's looks bright and energenic,but give her time and she'll fall right in line,just as all the other hypocrites do.She can only resist for just so long and these obstructionists will eventually get their way with her morally and mentally.It happens to all of them....

    May 1, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Bo

      Pete, if something is politically right, shouldn't it be morally right? Or is this an admission that some things like 'same gender marriage', and 'abortion' is not morally right?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Bo

      Things that are politically right are sometimes not morally right. And that all depends on the political atmosphere of the are. Take Stalinism for instance, many things in Stalin's regime were morally reprehensible, yet given the political atmosphere would have been politically correct. Who said anything about same se.x marriage and abortion? For one, these two things have no general consensus on the moral standings. Stop trying to inject what you think into other peoples statments.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • Bo

      @HawaiiGuest
      I don't think that we can judge what is moral in our our political system by what is moral another political system (yet we do it all the time). You are right, there is no “...no general consensus...” of the two things I mentioned, and that is a big problem in our country. We differ so much in our moral convictions. I used these two examples because there are people who would vote for a candidate on just these issues alone. Nonetheless, I believe that decisions made by politicians should be morally right. Is our country morally right or not? If not, then something is really wrong.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Bo

      It's actually a good thing that there are differing moral convictions in our society. Differences lead to discussion and general consensus. Morality is a complex idea that has almost no way to come to a unanimous agreement in a large population unless it is intentionally v.ague. An example would be killing another human being. In a general sense, this is accepted as wrong, yet there are differing opinions on what would be a justified kil.ling (self defense, de.ath penalty, etc.). How would the laws of a country evolve and get better if everyone agreed on what is morally acceptable? How would we find out what is objectively morally correct and incorrect without an.alysis and discussion stemming from differences?

      May 1, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  15. Reality

    Being a black, female Mormom does not change the following:

    ONLY FOR THE NEWBIES:

    Putting the kibosh on religion to include Mormonism:

    • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    prob•a•bly
    Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    May 1, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Joe

      Samantha is probably the same person who posts this under many different names, if she is the same person, she has been hired to stir hatred against Mormons. She knows she is dishonest. I can't get the rest of my post past the censor.... don't know what word it is, but oh well.

      May 7, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
  16. Samantha23

    Brigham Young (the second leader of the Mormon church and the founder of Salt Lake City UT) comments about blacks:

    "You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind....Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290).

    "In our first settlement in Missouri, it was said by our enemies that we intended to tamper with the slaves, not that we had any idea of the kind, for such a thing never entered our minds. We knew that the children of Ham were to be the "servant of servants," and no power under heaven could hinder it, so long as the Lord would permit them to welter under the curse and those were known to be our religious views concerning them." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 172).

    "Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p. 110).

    Now if that last portion didn't strike you as unbelievably horrible, than imagine this....Mormons are taught to believe every word of their prophets as though they were the words of God: Unquestionable. And these are quotes from just one of their prophets.

    May 1, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Michael

      So, today you're copying and pasting this under the name Samantha23. Nice.

      What Ms. Love understands, which you refuse to acknowledge with your constant reposting of 150 year old discredited quotes, is that the Mormon church, regardless of its past, utterly and completely repudiates racism in all its forms.

      Your statement that Mormons are taught to believe that every word spoken by a prophet is the word of God is simply false. To the contrary, we're taught that part of the role of modern prophets is to correct and clarify the doctrine of the past. Your quotes, to the extent they're even true are, simply, false doctrine, repudiated by the LDS Church.

      Of course, as I've predicted before, you'll go on copying and pasting this, because you aren't interested in facts, only in promoting your anti-Mormon agenda.

      What will it be tomorrow? Samantha24?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Mtheumer

      So those Journals are incorrect? Or is the quote incorrect?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • Cannie

      Yes Mtheumer the Journals of Discourse are real and yes, they are the bane of the Mormon church because their own prophet said these things and they can't change it.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Bo

      Michael; what was Brigham Young's position in the Mormon Church? Was he or was he not a prophet of the Lord? If what he said 150 years ago was the truth given to him by the Lord via an angel, it should still be the truth now. “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word,it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20) The Bible should take authority over what what ever anyone else may say. It should not be repudiated 150 years later as something other than the truth.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Michael

      Mtheumer, Bo:

      You are imposing a definition on "prophet" that Mormons, nor indeed most Christians, ascribe to. Mormons do not believe their prophets to be infallible, any more than the prophets of the Old Testament. Mormonism was established on the principle of "continuing revelation" which means that current leaders can correct and clarify teachings of past leaders, because *all* leaders are capable of making mistakes.

      Your arguments are only meaningful if you believe prophets to be more than merely mortal men, or perhaps puppets, always acting under the control of God (who does not make mistakes.) But neither of those concepts are consistent with Mormon on Christian theology.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • Michael

      Cannie,

      You don't understand. The Journals are probably an accurate record of what was said. That's not the point. The point is that the Church was established, from the beginning, with a mechanism, i.e., continuing revelation, that ensures that incorrect and/or false statements from the past can be corrected.

      I will spell it out: When Brigham Young made racist statements, he was *wrong*. As were authors of the Bible who made racist statements. Mormons do *not* believe that Prophets are infallible. And Mormons do not believe that God intends us to be bound to the incorrect statements of past prophets.

      Hence, in the Mormon church, the statements of the current prophet *always* take precedent over what's been said in the past.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • RapidOne

      Michael - so you pick and choose what you want, essentially?

      Sorry, buddy, you lose.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • blam

      since when is a Haitian an African American? now if she were EGYPTIAN maybe

      May 1, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Joe

      She misleads under many names. Check Black lds.

      Anti-Mormons use many tactics to justify their bigotry. Racism is just one misleading anti-Mormon claim.

      As the good Michael points out, there are some huge differences between LDS racism and the racism of others. LDS ideas were not based in what Church leaders called "the tragic theory of the superiority of one race over another." Liberal racism, and mainstream Christian racism was sometimes based on this philosophical pseudoscience. Muslims, mainstream Christians, Hindus, etc (basically all other religions) had racist ideas.

      The Book of Mormon teaches that all are alike unto God.

      May 7, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Joe

      Samantha, we've all heard these quotes, they are posted day after day after day, by those who encourage anti-Mormon bigotry.

      Joseph Smith taught that Blacks were blessed with wisdom, founded great cultures, and were equal to and even better than whites. He gave priesthood to Blacks when Christianity and Islam etc were oppressing (this includes Obama's Churches).

      This really upset 19th Century Americans, and endangered Mormons.

      May 7, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
  17. Baylie

    Being a Mormon has nothing to do with it. People are so blinded by their hate to not see how the faith really is. We are a peace loving people, and your ignorance is insulting. I fully support both Mia Love and Mitt Romney, not because we share the same faith, but because of what they stand for. Just because someone is Mormon does not make them racist or a member of the KKK. If you want to know what we believe in, go to the LDS website, and get your facts straight.

    May 1, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • William Demuth

      You cult members believe whatever you were programed to believe.

      Sheesh, you act like you still have free will or something!

      Enjoy the magical undies!

      May 1, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Acno

      Baylie,
      Why do you Mormons always accuse anyone that tries to point out a different point of view from mormonism, hateful? We're not hating you. You're just whining a lot and it's not attractive. People have a right to a different point of view from your belief. The problem is that your church is putting out so much propaganda out right now that we feel we all have to tell the other side of your religious beliefs.

      May 1, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Michael

      Acno,

      I agree that "hate" is the wrong word for people who express opposing views to Mormonism. But when decades-old racist teachings, which Mormons today actively repudiate, are pulled out of the history books in order to paint today's Mormons as racists, it's hard not to feel like the attack is personal.

      -Michael

      May 1, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Michael

      @Demuth: let me guess.. Christian? Even Catholic? Arent some of the symbols of those faiths pretty silly too? Have you seen the rich jewelry, the headpiece, the prada slippers of the Pope? Communion? Eating and drinking the body and blood of Christ (canibalism)??! And you are bothered by sacred undies? Puuuleeese. Every religion has some silly aspects. Using the same tired trope just tells me you dont have an serious input here.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Mtheumer

      @Michael

      "I agree that "hate" is the wrong word for people who express opposing views to Mormonism. But when decades-old racist teachings, which Mormons today actively repudiate, are pulled out of the history books in order to paint today's Mormons as racists, it's hard not to feel like the attack is personal"

      It's called Dogma and you don't just "write it out" of your history. Every part of you religion IS your religion. Even Christian accept the Old Testament and the Dark Ages. You may not like it being brought up, but you still own it.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • D

      I couldn't care less if you believed in a giant chicken who created the world from corn growing out of its feet.

      Keep your religion...ANY religion...out of the government.

      Or start paying taxes and do your part to fix the deficit everyone keeps crying about.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Felix El Gato

      Mormons are indoctrinated into the cult soon after they are born. If they show any capacity for analytical thought they are excommunicated and other Mormons are no longer allowed to have contact with them – not even family members. This ain't normal, folks.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Michael

      Nah dude, I am an equal opportunity hater when it comes to religion.

      They ALL suck.

      Mormons, Jews, Zoroastrianists, Moonies, Jeebus freaks. They are all cults for the weak minded idiots among us.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • nairb247

      @ Mtheumer – If that is the case then every christian out there should believe in an eye for an eye. Oh wait Christ came and changed that law. If that is the case then every christian out there should believe in animal sacrifice, oh wait Christ fullfilled that law.

      Your comment states that Gods laws can't change. But apparently they did.

      If that is the case then what about all those "Christians" who killed the Mormons and drove them out. Should the LDS have hate towards Missouri because the governor of Missouri back in the day made it legal to kill Mormons. The LDS church only received an apology for that a few years ago.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • Michael

      First: The "Michael" who's attacking Demuth isn't me.

      Second: Mtheumer. Just because some Christians accept the Old Testament and dark age dogmas, doesn't mean that Mormons do. Yes, we have to take responsibility for what's been said in the past by condemning and correcting it when it's wrong. But we don't have to continue to believe it.

      I trust your intentions, but can you see that you are imposing a belief system on Mormons that doesn't actually apply to them? Mormonism *is* something different from traditional Christianity, in that it includes mechanisms that allow it to actively rejects the false doctrines and dogma of the past.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • Religion

      "continuing revelation" == "we will make stuff up as we go along"

      May 1, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • Michael

      Religion: Sure, that's a reasonable conclusion for a healthy skeptical mind.

      Either LDS Church leaders are liars who are in it for the power (because they sure aren't in it for the money!), or they're acting under God's direction to respond to needs of his church in the middle of a changing world.

      You have to decide this for yourself. Sounds like you already have.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
  18. Doc Vestibule

    1. "The Juvenile Instructor" is an LDS tome used to indoctrinate children.
    Here is an excerpt from an early edition:
    "We will first inquire into the results of the approbation or displeasure of God upon a people, starting with the belief that a black skin is a mark of the curse of Heaven placed upon some portions of mankind. Some, however, will argue that a black skin is not a curse, nor a white skin a blessing. In fact, some have been so foolish as to believe and say that a black skin is a blessing, and that the ne.gro is the finest type of a perfect man that exists on the earth; but to us such teachings are foolishness.
    We understand that when God made man in his own image and pronounced him very good, that he made him white. We have no record of any of God's favored servants being of a black race...every angel who ever brought a message of God's mercy to man was beautiful to look upon, clad in the purest white and with a countenance bright as the noonday sun. (Juvenile Instructor, Vol. 3, page 157)
    100 years later, LDS followers became more "tolerant" and published statements like this:
    "I would not want you to believe that we bear any animosity toward the Neg.ro. Dar.kies are wonderful people, and they have their place in our church."
    – Joseph Fielding Smith, Look magazine, October 22, 1963, page 79
    In 1947, Dr. Lowry Nelson – a Mormon himself – sent a letter to the Mormon First Presidency questioning the official racist doctrines.
    The reply he received said, in part:
    "From the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith even until now, it is has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Neg.roes are not ent.itled to the full blessings of the Gospel.
    "Furthermore your ideas, as we understand them, appear to contemplate the intermarriage of the Neg.ro and White races, a concept which has heretofore been most repugnant to most normal-minded people from the ancient partiarchs till now. God's rule for Israel, His Chosen People, has been endogamous."
    – George Albert Smith J. Reuben Clark, Jr. David O. McKay
    Finally, in 1978 the Mormons had a revelation allowing blacks into the priesthood – conveniently at the exact time that they were expanding beyond the U.S. into countries full of "cursed" people, like Brazil.
    Today, while there is no official policy of segregation, the old prejudices still exist.
    Black LDS church member Darron Smith wrote in 2003:
    "Even though the priesthood ban was repealed in 1978, the discourse that constructs what blackness means is still very much intact today. Under the direction of President Spencer W. Kimball, the First Presidency and the Twelve removed the policy that denied black people the priesthood but did very little to disrupt the multiple discourses that had fostered the policy in the first place. Hence there are Church members today who continue to summon and teach at every level of Church education the racial discourse that black people are descendants of Cain, that they merited lesser earthly privilege because they were "fence-sitters" in the War in Heaven, and that, science and climatic factors aside, there is a link between skin color and righteousness"

    May 1, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Michael

      This is silly, Doc. What could your point possibly be? We could easily go back into the archives of virtually *every* religion and find incendiary statements about race. Racism has been utterly repudiated by the LDS Church. You offer nothing new or creative or interesting here.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Felix El Gato

      If only the Mormons could rewrite their history.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      So the LDS no longer teaches that dark skin is the mark of Cain?
      You'll note the last quote was from just a few years ago.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • Michael

      Doc: You are correct - the LDS Church no longer teaches that dark skin is the mark of Cain.

      You'll notice that your quote from a few years ago was from some church member I've never heard of. That person's opinion in no way represents official doctrine of the Church.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • Michael

      Doc: You are correct - the LDS Church no longer teaches that dark skin is the mark of Cain. And the quote from a few years ago was from some church member I've never heard of. That person's opinion in no way represents official doctrine of the Church.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
  19. William Demuth

    We have through the lens of history learned of Jews who collaborated with the Nazi's, Indian's that have collaborated with Cowboys, and Cats who have collaborated with Dogs.

    And somehow this is supposed to surprise me?

    The lust for power makes for strange bedfellows indeed.

    May 1, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Jesus

      My cat would turn me over to a pack of wolves for a milkbone.

      May 1, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
  20. Jacksonhey

    The Mormons will stop at nothing to make their church look good so that people avoid the whole issue on how Blacks were viewed up to the 1970's. How sad that the Mormons know that when people find out the truth about their religion, the won't vote Romney because they'll be to shocked!

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnrPpZWFsOs&w=640&h=360]

    May 1, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Michael

      This well-meaning individual is trying to hold today's Mormons responsible for the racism of their religious predecessors. This argument only has merit if you believe that everything spoken by your church's former leaders is considered true today.

      Mormons do not believe this. Mormonism was founded, from the outset, on the principle of "continuing revelation," i.e., the idea that current church leaders (whom we call prophets) have the responsibility to correct and clarify false doctrines of the past.

      For more than a generation, LDS church leaders have repudiated racism in all its forms, including the racist teachings of past leaders of the LDS church. Any interpretation of scripture that leads to racist conclusions is inarguably false.

      His arguments are therefore invalid, as they rely wholly on obsolete statements and interpretations of doctrine.

      May 1, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Mtheumer

      So have any of the writings been changed? Have there been any Black Mormon leaders?

      May 1, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Cruddy

      I always wondered why Mormons never attempted to recruit me but did try with my white neighbors. I guess now I know.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • Michael

      Mtheumer: Of course there are black Mormon leaders, and they serve at their own time and expense, just like the rest of the LDS Church's lay ministry.

      And no, writings haven't been changed, with the one exception of a verse in the Book of Mormon that was changed because it was constantly being misinterpreted as racist. But the racist ideas behind these writings have been fully repudiated.

      Cruddy: That's a shame. It's not likely to have been racially motivated, as the experience of most LDS missionaries is that african americans are, if anything, *more* interested in talking about religion than whites. But if it was, it was purely the racial motivations of the individuals involved, and there's not excuse for it. I hope their mission president and their moms found out about it and kicked their butts.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Religion

      So in other words the LDS cult makes modifications in its story line if needed to keep the money rolling in.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • Michael

      Keep the money rolling in to whom? Who's getting rich off of the LDS Church? Do you know that we have an entirely unpaid clergy? I think the only exception are a few of the topmost church leaders who, if they can't afford to support themselves independently, receive a very small living stipend from the church. The vast majority of the Church's thousands of male and female leaders volunteer their time and service at their own expense. While holding down their paying jobs. It's amazing.

      May 1, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
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