Billy Graham backs North Carolina amendment to ban gay marriage
Billy Graham says that he "never thought we would have to debate the definition of marriage."
May 3rd, 2012
11:49 AM ET

Billy Graham backs North Carolina amendment to ban gay marriage

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)– The Rev. Billy Graham, the world's best-known evangelist, has endorsed a ballot initiative to constitutionally ban gay marriage in his home state of North Carolina, a rare move for a preacher who has typically avoided political fights.

North Carolinians will vote on the state's Marriage Amendment Act before North Carolina voters next Tuesday.

Voters will decide whether to amend the state constitution to say that "Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State."

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North Carolina already bans same-sex marriages. The amendment would effectively ban civil unions and domestic partnerships, too.

Graham is taking out full-page ads in 14 North Carolina newspapers touting his support for the measure. His website he encourages churches to download a poster that bears his image and the message "Vote for Marriage May 8th."

“Watching the moral decline of our country causes me great concern," the 93-year-old pastor, who has prayed with every president since Dwight Eisenhower, said in a statement on the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association website. "I believe the home and marriage is the foundation of our society and must be protected.”

The statement continued to say that Graham "never thought we would have to debate the definition of marriage."

Graham's newspaper ad will say: "The Bible is clear—God’s definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. I want to urge my fellow North Carolinians to vote for the marriage amendment on Tuesday, May 8. God bless you as you vote.”

The bill proposing the amendment says only a simple majority of votes is needed for the amendment to pass.

Supporters of the amendment hailed Graham's endorsement.

"Reverend Graham understands that we as North Carolinians have a duty to preserve God’s first institution–marriage," said Tami Fitzgerald, Chairwoman of Vote FOR Marriage NC,  a group supporting the measure, in a statement. "We cannot be silent as activists work to radically redefine marriage—an institution that has been fundamental to our civilization for thousands of years.”

Opponents of the amendment lamented the move.

“While we were disappointed to see his endorsement it doesn’t change much,” said Paul Guequierre a spokesman for the Coalition to Protect North Carolina Families. The coalition, which includes pastors from across the theological spectrum, opposes the amendment. “We have respect for (Graham) but we will continue to work with our clergy on this.”

“People across the country support LGBT equality,” Guequierre said, adding his group was cautiously optimistic about the vote on Tuesday.

While Graham may be an internationally known figure, his influence in North Carolina may be even larger. Charlotte is home to the Billy Graham Parkway. When the Billy Graham Library opened in Charlotte in 2007, Bill Clinton, George H. W. Bush and Jimmy Carter came for the opening ceremony.

Graham's son Franklin Graham and daughter Anne Graham Lotz have both voiced support for the amendment and both have taken political stands in the past, in contrast to their father.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Billy Graham • Christianity • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Politics

soundoff (2,998 Responses)
  1. Martin

    gays need the right to suffer like the rest of us

    May 4, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
  2. kindness

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Trancend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ will result in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Currently.... your constructing your own path that suits your sin lifestyle.

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find a truth you can take with you in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life. You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf, the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed, your good deeds are forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated, your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over .
    Trancend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Relise your a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent....

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth.

    Sell your cleverness and purchase bewilderment. You don't get what you want you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Down is up. Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.

    Your all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box

    May 4, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • momoya

      I did all that for almost 50 years.. It's pretty stupid.

      May 4, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Accepting Jesus Christ will result in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you."

      Nah, it's just a chemical reaction in your brain which science has proved. Plus you can get the same affect and not even have to believe in your god.

      By the way....your post reeked of ego but it's so inflated you can't see it.

      May 4, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • Martin

      may the free bird drop a full load of poop on your vacuous head

      May 4, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      "Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ."

      So if I clap my hands, and just believe, then tinkerbell will come back to life, and I will believe?

      Complete, utter nonsense. That kinds of deceptive, backward reasoning works really well for the gullible, but has no effect on those with the ability to think for themselves.

      May 4, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • sam stone

      i had magic mushrooms. they made me see a new color

      May 4, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • Kindness

      When you hear the lords voice . Do not harden your heart. Feel the love of Jesus that never left you.

      Keep going.

      May 5, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • sam stone

      kindness: you have not established that "sin" exists outside of the minds of believers

      May 5, 2012 at 10:16 am |
  3. Rodeo_Joe

    RWA traditions vs. Freedom.

    May 4, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  4. Denise

    Billy Graham has been pushing the same god fraud as all the other greasy televangelists. He just made more money at it and did it longer than most. Sad that anyone still listens to him, and puts any weight to the idiotic stuff he says.

    May 4, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • H.R.John

      You are a fool Denise !

      May 4, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      You are correct Denise. When someone rakes in millions of dollars for a lifetime, for delivering a message, you are perfectly within your rights to be skeptical of the both the message and the messenger.

      May 4, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
  5. Blake

    Stop the hate Billy Graham. I would call you Rev. but you do not act like one. Stop judging and leave that up to God!

    May 4, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • Emory

      While I disagree with the Rev, it is not hate. It is possible to disagree politically with out throwing around the hate word, perhaps you aren't open minded.

      May 4, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      If it's your policy is to discriminate against an entire class of people, that's not politics, that's personal. Those against gay marriage can point to no valid exuse for their agenda other than the disgust they feel towards gay people, and their reluctance to sanction their existence.

      I think the word hate is perfectly appropriate in this case.

      May 4, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  6. Michael

    @ MarkinFL - also funny to me how because I disagree with you, you don't respect me as an American Citizen or a human being, both of which I still am regardless of your opinion or your approval

    However, I am able to have a civil conversation with someone who disagrees with me without calling names or devaluing them as a human being or their nationality. So, I think that alone speaks volumes.

    May 4, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  7. Mohammed_Islam

    More than 75% of the population of United States are Christians... I doubt how many of us know what Bible talks about this issue... if you read the story of the people of Lot (PBUH) where he was sent to stop what they were doing...

    Also, if everyone continue doing this, how would you expect generation to come?


    May 4, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "if you read the story of the people of Lot (PBUH) where he was sent to stop what they were doing."

      Yawn... Yawn.... It was about bad hospitality and selfishness, not helping those in need....it had nothing to do with homosexuality! It's sad to see how brainwashed people really are on this issue.

      May 4, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Cq

      Ah, wasn't the crowd looking to r.ap.e the angels in that story, and didn't Lot offer his own daughters to be r.ap.ed instead? Great, moral story that, and do you seriously believe that gay relationships are forced?

      May 4, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Mohammed_Islam

      Hello Cq:

      I believe its choice... I do not think anyone forces anyone to be one...

      In fact none of the followers of any faith are being forced except they chose to believe in what they want to believe...


      May 4, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I believe its choice"

      Well you are wrong. Because of the aggressive promotion of efforts to change sexual orientation through therapy, a number of medical, health, and mental health professional organizations have issued public statements about the dangers of this approach. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      Notice the part at the end...thus it is not something that can be "cured." LOL! Your prejudice is not based on real facts.

      May 4, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
  8. rebecca

    The only thing worse than Billy Graham debating the definition of marriage, is that extreme close-up picture of his face.

    May 4, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Cq

      Yup, he's starting to look like Emperor Palpatine on Star Wars.

      That reminds me, how do we know that today is a special day for Jedi?

      Because, in the movies, they are always saying "May the fourth be with you!"


      May 4, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • Mohammed_Islam

      Dear Rebecca,

      hah... everyone will get there if we get the lifetime as he has gotten... it should remind us that soon we will be there but not certain because there is no gurantee that I will live till till the next moment or as long as his age... I remember few weeks ago a 25 yrs old young healthy soccer player died while he was playing in the inhouse italiam soccar.... no one thought about it even his health care taker...

      Regarding the look of human regardless of the skin colors – Al-Quran teaches that 'Indeed We created human in the best form' (Chapter 3 Surah At-Tin: Verse 4). Every single human in the face of earth regardless of faith created in a best form...

      So, lets just not take the face value but what matters is how much God conciousness do i have as Quran teaches... and he is so loved ones to The Almighty...


      May 4, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • sweetie, can we take a peek at ur face?
      May 4, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  9. Wayne

    Reblogged this on luvsiesous and commented:
    CNN finally gets the Gay Agenda RIGHT!


    Finally CNN presents a voice of reason and of calm to the argument discriminating against Marriage. Billy Graham has spoken up for MARRIAGE.

    It is about time. But, I think it may be too late.

    Why? Because if it had any chance of derailing their agenda, CNN would not publish the true news.

    ISn't that sad? You and I know that to be true. But, they still label their agenda as news. And they push it on everyone else.

    Even though they KNOW marriage is better for society. The KNOW marriage is better for children. They KNOW discriminating against marriage is BAD.

    It may be too late, but at least they are finally admitting the truth.

    What do you think? Can we still save marriage?


    May 4, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Yes we can, vote against laws that restrict marriage.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
      • Wayne

        I agree! I think. Any law that restricts marriage to a prejudiced new view is wrong. It is wrong to change the religious meaning of the word.

        Discriminating against marriage is wrong.

        Don't you agree? I think you do, but just clarifying.


        May 4, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Your attempt at doublespeak is breathtaking in its audacity. I applaud you!

      Redefining "restrict" to mean the diametric opposite of its accepted meaning is quite a feat.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
      • Wayne

        Oh, do you mean like the attempt to re-define marriage?

        Do you mean my doublespeak mirrors yours?

        May 4, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Hardly. I'm acknowledging that we are redefining civil/legal marriage. I do not care a whit about your religious marriage. Keep it to yourself for all eternity. Please.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "The KNOW marriage is better for children. They KNOW discriminating against marriage is BAD."

      But the religious communities doesn't want to hear the real truth that the experts have proven that the children of gays and lesbians turn out exactly as if they were raised by straights. They are so prejudice that they want to deny gay and lesbian couples their civil rights which in the long run actually hurts the children of these families.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
      • Wayne

        I do not mind a civil arrangement exception for gays.

        However, none of the 'data' supports the claims made by the gay agenda. One study indicates that gays are much more depressed, and the next that they are happy.

        It is actually a very difficult and confusing subject. I think.

        But, I think we agree that we should do what is best for the children? Did I get that correct?


        May 4, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Wayne is just another bigot made happy by wrong information taught by his buybull.

      May 4, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
      • Wayne

        Now that got me to chuckle.

        So your truth is just another bigotry to deny the truth ....

        Well, my view has been the historic truth for thousands of years in all cultures ..... not a temporary experiment ....


        May 4, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • sam stone

      wayne: you are seeking to use your religious views to restrict other's rights. seems like a violation of the equal protection clause.

      May 4, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Cq

      Yup, gays with their "agenda!" Just like Billy's problem with Jews and their agenda, or haven't you heard the Nixon tapes?

      May 4, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
      • Wayne

        Does it matter?

        An agenda is an agenda. Isn't it? Or, should we re-defining the word "agenda" as well as marriage?


        May 4, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "One study indicates that gays are much more depressed, and the next that they are happy."

      Can't the same thing be said about straights? Right now they are just normal people like everyone else, that's the point. Do you go around saying whites are more happy than blacks? Left handed people are more depressed than right handed people? Do blondes really have more fun? You're stuck on the labels.

      May 4, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
      • Wayne

        No. I say married people are happier.

        And as far as I know, all studies indicate that.

        Are you saying "whites are more happy than blacks?"


        May 4, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Cq

      Yes, there are studies that suggest that Christians are both happier than the rest of us and more pessimistic about the future. Why can't gays be happy with their personal lives, but also deeply worried about being the subject of discrimination? We all have aspects in our lives we are happy with, and others that we are not. How many people are happy about everything?

      May 4, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
      • Wayne

        That might be a great definition of the problem.

        But, I do not know. I do know that re-defining marriage is a social experiment that has NEVER been tried before.


        May 4, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      "So your truth is just another bigotry to deny the truth ...." What truth would I be denying exactly? I support gay marriage/unions and I support my fellow man. I do not judge people based on who they were born to be.

      "Well, my view has been the historic truth for thousands of years in all cultures"

      That's funny. We have updated information and therefore you view is outdated and not based in the present day. If you wish to live in that century, please feel free to disconnect your computer (something invented by Atheists), your electricity, your phone, sell your car, sell your house & all of your luxuries and crawl back in to a cave.

      Do you get some cheap thrill and pleasure from thinking you have the right to dictate to others how they should live or who they should love? Does oppressing people make you happy?

      May 4, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
      • Wayne

        Actually, I get a powerful thrill knowing that I believe much more like Einstein than you do .....

        It is a shame that we have been lied to, and only a few study the truth.



        May 4, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "No. I say married people are happier."

      The divorce rate in America for first marriage, vs second or third marriage
      50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce.

      So I guess for straights you have a 50 -50 chance of being happy. Now...just think about all those adulterers out there...but yet they have their civil rights to keep getting married over and over again.

      Why are you so afraid of gay people loving each other?

      May 4, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
      • Wayne

        I am not afraid of gays loving each other.

        Why are you afraid of straight people loving each other?

        About 70% of first time marriages make it, contrary to the modern propaganda.


        May 4, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
  10. MennoKnight

    A few questions:
    How many partners does the average hom ose xual male have in his lifetime?

    How percentage of hom ose xual males have an STD over his lifetime?

    What is the average length of age does a hom ose xual male live in America?

    Answer these questions and you will see why this lifestyle is unhealthy.

    May 4, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Juat a guess but I would have to say that the numbers are probably about the same for heteros. I'm sure that you have "statistics" that are different. Probably from the Family Resource Center.

      May 4, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • sam stone

      menno: and you call it a lifestyle rather than an orientation? it would be interesting to see the hetero rates, particularly if they were not allowed to marry

      May 4, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Answer this question and you will see how mainstreaming ho.mose.xual relationships and encouraging long-term monogamous relationships may help millions of people.
      Bring it out of the closet and allow them to have open relationships and more of those will become stronger and last longer.
      Also look at the number of partners many hetero males have. The promiscuity levels have more to do with being male than being gay.
      Also, your whole statement has no bearing on the civil rights involved. Just because a certain portion of a population make unhealthy lifestyle choices does not give you the right to take away their rights.

      You simply do not like the fact that they exist and are uncomfortable with them. Tough. They are as much a part of the human race as your are. Many of them more so.

      May 4, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • just sayin

      Menno, your opinion has no bearing on the personal lives of others.

      May 4, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Primewonk

      You have to wonder about cretins like this. They spend their time denigrating and castigating gay folks – and possibly beating and bashing them as well. Over and over and over îdiots like this tell gay folks they are worthlesss, they are sick and disgusting, and they cannot have valid relationships with other gay folks.

      And then môrons like this putz, have the balls to turn around and question why some gay folks have some issues.

      May 4, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      Please simply answer the question with some backing of your facts.

      May 4, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      So Menno, when did you choose to be straight? You know the church used to punish people for being left-handed too. When did you choose to be right/left handed?

      And what are you worried about if gays have STD's? If they are only sleeping with other gay people, why do you care? Are you planning on sleeping with gay people? Is that why you are worried?

      May 4, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      Answer them yourself, honestly, and you will see that your approach to the topic is skewed by half.

      But of course none of these have anything to do with your actual thinking on the issue. You aren't concerned about anyone's health and you know it.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      How are your questions relevant to the topic?
      Please answer that one.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Have you noticed that Menno ignores women in general and lesbians in particular? He does seem to spend an inordinate amount of time fixating on, and fantasizing about man-on-man sèx.


      May 4, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      The more partners you have, the higher the risk goes up for STD's. The more STD's you have the shorter your lifespan is.

      This is simple facts. Is this the case for hom ose xual males?

      May 4, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Well Menno – then you ignorant fundiots should be leading the charge to legalize gay marriage. If you let them marry, they won't be sleeping around, will they?

      May 4, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Xtian fundie logic

      Menno – don't expect other's to do your grunt work. Either put up your own numbers, with citations, or shut it.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      All I am seen in name calling so far. How about answer my question please?

      You have no idea what type of person I am. I am a peace loving Mennonite who does not fight and turns the other cheek.

      Simply research my question and give me a well reasoned answer without name calling.

      And that said, I love you all. I really mean it.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Xtian fundie logic

      Why are you relying on others to do your research. Lazy xtian, please do your own and back up your numbers with citations.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      Xtian fundie logic,
      In doing the research for yourself you will learn much more. If I give you the answers you will not believe the even if they are citated by Oxford University.
      And that is a great place to start. Oxford. Google it.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • just sayin

      " I am a peace loving Mennonite who does not fight and turns the other cheek."
      Ah yes, you enjoy your freedoms off the backs and blood of others. I only see a parasite in the name of your God.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      @Menno – Wenn Sie ein Mennoniten sind, warum sind Sie im Gespräch mit uns Englisch Leute?

      May 4, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • J.W

      How is our freedom off of the blood of others. So if no one fought in the Iraq war I would not be a free man now? There are many peaceful countries that never go to war and they are just as free as we are. Just because our society believes in using violence does not mean it is right.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Xtian fundie logic

      If you're too lazy to do it yourself, don't expect me to go out of my way to answer your questions. Unless you want to attempt to prove otherwise, I'll just assume that you're a hate-filled ignorant bigot. Sorry if you consider that name calling – I just call it like it is.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      I believe he is referring to "freedom isn't free." they enjoy the freedoms without having to suffer the sacrifices...

      I just want to point out; that is what the U.S. military does for Americans every day.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      1. Why do we care about the answers to your questions? What is our motivation to find the answers.
      2. Please name a country that is free today that did not get that way or stay that way due to a war/violent action fought by it or on its behalf by someone else?
      Certainly not the one you live in or any European nation.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • J.W

      But now that we are free why do we still need to go to war. I did not ask anybody in the military to go to Iraq or Afghanistan for me. I wish they had not gone there. Nobody has fought for my freedom at any point in my lifetime.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • J.W

      But in regard to gay marriage the statistics show that gay couples divorce at a rate comparable or less than hetero couples. And it really isnt fair to compare the behavior of unmarried gays to married straights. If you are going to make comparisons you need to compare unmarried gays and unmarried straights.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      A freedom not fought for is a freedom soon lost.

      "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." – George Orwell

      May 4, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • J.W

      I guess we will just have a difference of opinion on this. I don't feel like any of the wars fought during my lifetime have made me any freer or safer. If not for our military actions in other countries we may have not been targeted in some of the terror attacks that have happened.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • GodPot

      "The more partners you have, the higher the risk goes up for STD's. The more STD's you have the shorter your lifespan is."

      First, you have no evidence that all STD's shorten lifespan as that is simply untrue. Most do however reduce the quality of life and some can indeed shorten lifespans. However this is by no means a "gay" problem. So who is really spreading STD's more? The 2000 U.S. Census Bureau found that ho.mose.xual couples consti.tute less than 1% of American households. The Family Research Report says "around 2-3% of men, and 2% of women, are ho.mose.xual or bise.xual." The National Gay and Les.bian Task Force estimates three to eight percent of both se.xes." – Gallup.com

      Here's some numbers on the het.erose.xual "lifestyle".
      Americans' Se.xual Behavior – 2004 ABC News "Primetime Live" survey
      Se.xually adventurous – 42%
      First-date se.x – 29%
      Paid for se.x (men) – 15%
      Paid for se.x (single men, 30+) – 30%

      I think it's obvious to anyone looking at the numbers that STD's are spread by straight couples far more than gay couples just based on the shear volume of non-monogamous relationships.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      I happen to agree with J.W. about may of our more recent wars. Starting with Vietnam especially. I do believe that some of our actions have been in good faith and had a positive affect. (i.e. Bosnia). However Iraq was a complete waste of life and resources and Afghanistan while arguably justifiable was completely mishandled due to our focus on Iraq and is now in serious danger of falling back into ruin.
      On the other hand that has nothing to do with the fact that we must remain ready to defend ourselves.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "A few questions:
      How many partners does the average hom ose xual male have in his lifetime?

      How percentage of hom ose xual males have an STD over his lifetime?

      What is the average length of age does a hom ose xual male live in America?

      Answer these questions and you will see why this lifestyle is unhealthy."

      The religious right have skillfully crafted a body of inaccuracies about the lgbt community backed by misinterpreted studies to justify their prejudices by using lies.

      "What is the average length of age does a hom ose xual male live in America?"

      Here's a great example of the exploitation of this question. In 1997 the finding: was the life expectancy at age 20 for gay or bisexual men was 8 to 20 years less than that for all men.

      The authors of those findings wrote a letter to the editor of the publication in which their work originally appeared. They were displeased because — you guessed it — homophobic groups were using their data to intimate homosexual practices were somehow self-destructive.

      They now said. medical advances have reduced the number of deaths due to AIDS. The actuarial tables used to estimate life expectancy for a gay or bisexual man should be the same as those used for all other males.

      Need I go on... I think we all get the point. MennoKnight is just a prejudice bigot brainwashed by their cult.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • rebecca

      Menno, maybe you should do your own research before asking such asinine questions, and might I add contemporary research. I am sure if you open your eyes, you might be surprised. You post these questions as if hetero mortality and disease rates do not even have a baseline. What a wasteful post.

      May 4, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • just sayin


      I guess we will just have a difference of opinion on this. I don't feel like any of the wars fought during my lifetime have made me any freer or safer. If not for our military actions in other countries we may have not been targeted in some of the terror attacks that have happened.
      I wasnt talking about a specific war, rather a position they take and have taken regarding taking up arms to defend or fight for actual freedom. So yes, in the context of how our country came to be and how our freedoms were fought for and won...the Mennonites are parasites. They benefit from the spilled blood of our past soldiers who fought for freedom. Menno is no Knight because he carries no sword and has no honor or courage. He simply has his delusion and cowardice to guide him.

      May 4, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • just sayin

      Mennonites are simply flacid citizens living a parasitic life.

      May 4, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • J.W

      That is BS. So anyone who does not fight in a war is a parasite? Wow then a majority of US citizens are parasites I guess.

      May 4, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      Relax my Flacid Mennonite friend..... It is not the based on the fact of serving and not serving, rather the basis why Mennonites choose to be flacid while enjoying the freedom on the backs and blood of those that sacrificed the freedom they choose not to fight for. I am guessing I blew the grammer part in this post.

      May 4, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • J.W

      You seem to enjoy the fact the innocent people die in war. Some of us think that that is not a good thing. Forgive us for wanting to live in a peaceful world instead of one where innocent people die for no reason.

      May 4, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • just sayin


      You seem to enjoy the fact the innocent people die in war. Some of us think that that is not a good thing. Forgive us for wanting to live in a peaceful world instead of one where innocent people die for no reason.
      ? are we reading the same thread........... you seem to be assuming some things. Obviously not all our wars are justified and I am not talking about every war. In fact I disagree with the Iraq, Korean and Vietnam for starters.
      Curious...when is there a time justifed defending yourself or your family with force?

      May 4, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      They will not let me reply!

      May 5, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • just sayin


      They will not let me reply!


      Clearly it is God stopping you.

      May 7, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
  11. Heather

    It appears there are trolls in our midst.

    May 4, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • just sayin

      Yes there are many Christians here.

      May 4, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
  12. Voice of Reason

    Billy Graham backs gay marriage

    May 4, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
  13. Voice of Reason

    Top Ten Reasons Why Beer Is Better Than Jesus

    10. No one will kill you for not drinking beer.

    9. Beer doesn't tell you how to have s*ex.

    8. Beer has never caused a major war.

    7. They don't force beer on minors who can't think for themselves.

    6. When you have beer, you don't knock on people's doors trying to give it away.

    5. Nobody's ever been burned at the stake, hanged, or tortured to death over his brand of beer.

    4. You don't have to wait 2,000+ years for a second beer.

    3. There are laws saying that beer labels can't lie to you.

    2. You can prove you have a beer.

    1. If you have devoted your life to beer, there are groups to help you stop.

    May 4, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      I'll drink to that!

      May 4, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Primewonk


      I drink REAL beer – microbrewed IPA's. Those ignorant cretins who drink mass-produced "lite" swill are not REAL beer drinkers. The are just pretenders!

      Do these fake drinkers really think that FSM's (may his sauce stay off your tie) beer volcano would spew out drivel like Budcoormiller Light wanna-beer?

      May 4, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Newcastle Brown Ale – #1 on my beer list. Haufbrau Dunkleweisen is #2.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Nonimus

      IPA pfffwwt...
      overdone so it wouldn't *spoil*, fer peat's sake.
      Have to agree on the standard American swill-water though.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • GodPot

      You are spot on for each point except #8 though we could debate the word "major"...

      The Manhattan Beer War 1926-1928

      The Manhattan Beer War started when Frank Costello began to rise in power in the “Combine” which before, was ruled mostly by Irish gangsters who supplied the city with beer for years. The Manhattan Beer War lasted over two years with much bloodshed on both sides.

      May 4, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Common Sense

      I wasn't aware that Jesus started any wars. Now greedy, power hungry people, that's a different story.

      May 4, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Cq

      Common Sense
      I'm sure Voice of Reason wasn't talking about cans of Bud invading Canadian breweries either.

      May 4, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Nonimus

      ...they invaded Brazil.

      May 4, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  14. GodPot

    What did the psychologist say to the Christian who came into his office wearing only plastic wrap?

    "Clearly I can see your nuts"...

    May 4, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • just sayin

      Good one lol

      May 4, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      Q: What happened when jesus went to Mount Olive?
      A: Popeye kicked the sh*it outta him

      May 4, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Cq

      How do we know that today is a special day for Jedi?

      Because, in the movies, they are always saying "May the fourth be with you!"


      May 4, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
  15. Nooks

    The photo the use bothers me they could have found a better one.

    May 4, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      You are kidding, right?

      May 4, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • Nooks

      No, I'm a photographer and I know that there has to be a better shot of him somewhere.

      May 4, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      Why does that make a difference to you?

      May 4, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • just sayin

      Nooks, take the meds

      May 4, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • Nooks

      Well, I'm not sure but just the crop and how close the face feels. It doesn't work for me.

      May 4, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • Huebert


      "Aesthetics before all" the artist creed.

      May 4, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      Did you read the article?

      May 4, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Nooks

      No. The headline gave it away.

      May 4, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Not that the photo matters, but has anyone else noticed a tendency for the media to use harsh way-too-close up photos lately. I may be imagining a trend, but there seem to be a lot of these.

      It doesn't seem to be a bias to me, just a trend that a lot of photos are extreme close-ups. Like HD TV didn't give us enough new wrinkles to look at...

      May 4, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
  16. Voice of Reason

    I read somewhere that the average human has 86 billion neurons while an orangutan has around 14 billion. I'm guessing these christian idiots are equal to a marine ragworm.

    May 4, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      I mean no disrespect to the ragworm.

      May 4, 2012 at 11:10 am |
  17. Birch please

    American taliban please move to Saudi Arabia as they share your state of mind.

    May 4, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • just sayin

      We are a Christian Nation with 80% believers in the majority. Christians are responsible for at least 80% of our problems in America.

      May 4, 2012 at 11:22 am |
  18. Primewonk

    Mark from Middle River wroote, "We are all born straight. People make a CHOICE to be gay, period. It is a sin."

    You have posted this before. Other fundiots (fundamentalist îdiots) have posted this tens of thousands of times on threads over the years.

    I have asked you before, and we have asked the fundiots thousands of times, to post the citations to peer-reviewed scientific research that supports your contention that gays choose to be gay (and thus by corollary, that straights choose to be straight).

    To be fair, we have posted hundreds of citations to peer-reviewed scientific research showing the biological multivariate nature of human sèxual orientation.

    Sadly, neither you, nor any of the other fundiots have ever posted a single solitary scientific citation to support yout contention. Not once. Ever. I wonder why?

    May 4, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • jimtanker

      Even if it is a choice, so what? That is between the individuals involved. It is only xtian's warped, bronze age cult that defines it as a sin. If they are not xtians then, so what?

      May 4, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I wonder when Mark chose to be straight.

      May 4, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Good point Jim, so what if it's a choice?

      May 4, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • Primewonk

      That's true Jim & Rational.

      What I find confusing is that these fundiots state that since gays choose to be gay, it is acceptable to legally discriminate against them, forgetting that they choose to believe in their particular version of a god. Yet they demand that they have a right to not be discriminated against.

      May 4, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • YeahRight

      "People make a CHOICE to be gay, period."

      It's funny how they just don't understand the research huh?

      * In 1993, the National Institute of Health’ Dean Hamer illustrated that homosexuality might be inherited from the mother by her sons through a specific region of the X chromosome (Xq28). Hamer demonstrated this by noting that 33 out of 40 pairs of homosexual brothers whom he studied showed the same variation in the tip of the chromosome.

      – Hamer DH, Hu S, Magnuson VL, Hu N. and Pattatucci AML. A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome and male sexual orientation. Science 1993; 261:320-326.
      * A June 2006 Canadian study published in the journal, “Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences,” said that nature, instead of nurture, explains the origins of homosexuality. The study’ author, Prof. Anthony F. Bogaert, at Brock University in Ontario, explored the causes behind what is known as the fraternal birth order. The research showed a correlation between the number of biological older brothers a man has and his sexual orientation. Dividing his sample of more than 900 heterosexual and homosexual men into four groups, Bogaert examined the impact of all types of older brothers, including step and adopted siblings, and the amount of time brothers spent together while growing up.His research found that only the number of biological brothers had an impact on sexuality, regardless of whether the boys were raised together.

      – Bogaert, A.F. 2006. Biological versus nonbiological older brothers and men’s sexual orientation. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 103 July 11 2006.
      * A study released in May 2006 by Swedish scientists demonstrates that biology plays a key role in determining a person’ sexuality. The research shows that the portion of the brain that helps regulate sexuality — the hypothalamus – reacted the exact same way in straight women and gay men when exposed to male pheromones, which are chemicals designed to provoke a behavior, such as sexual arousal. The same area of the brain only became stimulated in heterosexual men when introduced to female pheromones.

      – by Ivanka Savic article in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, (PNAS) “Brain Response To Putative Pheromones In Homosexual Men,” (Vol. 102 No. 19) May 10, 2005.
      * In 2005, Dr. Brian Mustanski of the University of Illinois at Chicago published a study in the esteemed biomedical journal Human Genetics, claiming he identified three chromosomal regions linked to sexual orientation in men: 7q36, 8p12 and 10q26.

      – “A Genomewide Scan of Male Sexual Orientation”, Human Genetics, Vol. 116, No. 4, pp. 272-278, 2005.
      * In 2003, University of Texas psychoacoustics specialist Dennis McFadden found that when measuring the way the brain reacts to sound, lesbians fell in between heterosexual men and straight women, suggesting they might be exposed to higher than normal levels of male hormone in utero.

      – Loehlin, John C.; McFadden, David. “Otoacoustic emissions, auditory evoked potentials, and traits related to sex and sexual orientation”. Archives of Sexual Behavior. 1 April 2003.
      * In 2003, University of Liverpool biologist John T. Manning found that the lesbians whom he studied have a hand pattern that resembles a man’ more than a straight female’. Manning concluded from his study that this “strongly tells us that female homosexuals have had higher levels of exposure to testosterone before birth.”

      – Neave, N., Laing, S., Fink, B., Manning, J.T (2003) Second to fourth digit ratio, testosterone, and perceived male dominance. Proceedings of the Royal Society B (Lond), 270, 2167-2172.
      * A 1991 study by Dr. Simon LeVay found that a specific region of the hypothalamus is twice as large in heterosexual men as it is in women or gay men. This strongly points the role of biology in sexual orientation.

      – Levay, Simon “A difference in hypothalamic structure between homosexual and heterosexual men” Science. 1991 Volume 253, Issue 5023, pp. 1034-1037.
      * Another 1991 study by scientists Richard Pillard and John M. Baily studied homosexuality among brothers and found that 53 percent of identical twins were both gay. In adoptive brothers, 11 percent were both homosexual. Of non-twin biological siblings, 9 percent were gay. Again, this points to solid evidence that homosexuality is a matter of nature.

      – Bailey JM, Pillard RC (1991). A genetic study of male sexual orientation. Archives of General Psychiatry, 48, 1089-1096.

      May 4, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • just sayin

      You are silly...research and facts have no bearing on The Word of God. He is not subject to such things from little men/women of the Earth. Praise Jesus..he is above all rational and logic.

      May 4, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • sam stone

      Rational: Assuming he IS straight, that is

      May 4, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
  19. momoya


    May 4, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • sam stone

      that was entertaining

      May 4, 2012 at 10:07 am |
  20. jimtanker

    I wish that these crazy xtians would realize that there is nowhere in the bible that states that marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman except when talking about priests.

    They really do need to read their own book when they are basing their whole lifestyle around it.

    May 4, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Well, it does say men can't rock the casbah with other men, so you can put two and two togther.

      May 4, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • jimtanker

      I'm saying that it doesn't say between ONE man and ONE woman. It talks about men having MANY wives and concubines though.

      It's these cafeteria xtians again.

      May 4, 2012 at 9:35 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Well most Christians see marriage as about procreation, creating another Christian soldier in the fight against rational thought, so I wouldn't exactly call it cafeteria Christianity. All BS though, I guess we can agree on that.

      May 4, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Huebert


      If Christians see marriage as all about procreation, wouldn't the ideal Christian marriage be one man and as many wives as he can support?

      May 4, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • jimtanker


      That is exactly what he was saying and what the bible says. By your reasoning though marriage should be between multiple men and multiple women. Nothing wrong with that either as long as the entire relationship is consensual, unlike many of the relationships in the bible.

      May 4, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • Huebert

      Really the best approach would be a free love commune. Everyone sleeps with everyone and children are cared for by all members of the community. Of course that would require the dissolution of marriage in it's entirety. I will never understand why Christians behave the ways that they do.

      May 4, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • just sayin

      We are a Christian Nation with the majority. But the Christians do NOT accept responsibility for majority of the problems..this is why we have scapegoats.

      May 4, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Heather

      Jesus said, "from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife: And they twain shall be one flesh"

      The Bible defines marriage as between a man and a woman. The word "one" is not specified. There are many prophets and kings in the Old Testament who practiced polyg amy...Solomon, Abraham, Jacob

      The Bible is however, very clear that ad ultery and hom ose xuality are sins.

      May 4, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • LinCA


      You said, "The Bible is however, very clear that ad ultery and hom ose xuality are sins"
      Even if, and I'm not agreeing with you, but even if your book of fables says what you think it says, it is entirely irrelevant to people who aren't deluded.

      You are free to believe the complete and utter nonsense in your bible. You are free to live your life according to it. You are free to believe it is true. You are free to remain ignorant.

      Sensible, intelligent people, on the other hand, will shed these silly beliefs once they turn 5 or 6 years old.

      So, while you have the right to be, and remain ignorant, you have no right to expect anyone else to believe the same bullshit, and even less to expect that they follow the same insane and archaic rules.

      May 4, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Heather, I'm a bit confused. You make it sound like what your god wants, need, desires, or demands, has standing in our laws.

      I can't find, in our constîtution, where this power is given to your god – to the exclusion of the other 10,000 gods we've invented. Can you point out where we give this power to your god?


      May 4, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      I still want to know why anyone is quoting the bible when it comes to civil rights? Marriage in this country is a civil matter. Religious people add ceremonies and all sorts of stuff to it, but it is at heart a civil affair. Marriage does not require a church or religion.
      If you want to regulate marriage ceremonies in a church then quote the bible all day long. But we are talking about a civil matter and the only relevant doc.ument is the Consti.tution of the United States.
      Sins have little to do with the law except by happenstance. Ho.mose.xuality is sin. Fine, who cares. Your clothes are probably a sin too.

      May 4, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
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