May 8th, 2012
12:09 PM ET

North Carolina votes on marriage amendement Tuesday

(CNN)–As voters head to the polls on a controversial marriage amendment, a North Carolina pastor and an openly gay mayor each explain their side of the debate to CNN's Carol Costello.

On Tuesday, voters will vote on Amendment One, whether or not to amend the state constitution to say that "Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State."

While North Carolina already has a law banning same sex marriage, the passage of the amendment would effectively ban same civil unions and domestic partnerships.

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  1. Kneel Harmstrong

    One small step for ignorance, one giant leap backwards for America.

    May 9, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
  2. Me II

    @just sayin, et. al.,
    At least in my browser, your name is a link so it's pretty easy to see that you are faking the Nobama name to make ridiculous comments.
    What possible enjoyment can you get out of such things. Simple minds... I guess. {shrugs}

    May 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Remarkable Grasp of the Obvious

      Figured that out all by yourself, did you? That's some good brane stuff ya dun.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Nobama

      Shut up you li

      May 9, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
  3. Mohammed_Islam

    Congrats North Carolinians!!! for doing the right thing for the mankind... may The Almighty bless you all and guide us all to the straight path...

    Its sad that there are 39% of the population of NC voted for it... I ask myself a question – if I follow the Bible and call myself as a Christian, am I not suppose to follow everything in this book or I could just follow the one i like and some and reject some? How come the preacher of a church who follows Bible and he accounces a marriage between a man and man or a woman and woman? are they really Christians? I do have complete respect for the persan as we all are the children of Adam and I do not think anyone could say that i am not from this plannet... but what i meant is the action that human does...

    I believe as The Quran teaches that all human are being born as Muslim (The word Muslim means – The one who believes in One Lord and Submit to the same One Lord and not to any of the creation including human) with the believe on One God and then based on the environment that human takes different sides whether a Christian, Buddah, Hindu, Jews, Muslim or so on... and then once that human gets older and makes his own decision, its his responsibility to decide whom to submit and he will be held accountable for everything and not someone else on behalf of him... I hear some ppl says that I was born as this or that... this is in my opinion is not true... cos hitlar was not born as hitlar, a drag dealer was not born as drag dealer and so on...

    Now what makes ppl to chose different ways- its becuase of human created with one thing given which has not been given to any other creatures which is 'Free Will', for which they chose to do what they want to do and everyone will be held accountable for this...

    What is religion? one of the definitions is to follow a set of criterias to live this life... as we all do follow laws of the states or feds... now we can come up with our own criterias which will not be accepted as a citizen can not disobey a speed limit law of the state or we can follow the criterias that is being given to the mankind thru messengers which is the only way... now if i do not follow in this life, nothing will happen here but we will see it on the hereafter and we ask The Almighty for His mercy on all of us that day... amine


    May 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Islam: the Religion that goes BANG!

      Oh, those drag dealers! The trafficking of cross-dressers is just such a problem!

      May 9, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • evolvedDNA

      Mohammed.. which is why religions, and your in particular, is so dangerous to Human beings. You appear have no inclination to learn , you have had the ability to think for your self and question the BS taken away by fear . Other than what you have been told, why are gay folks so scary to you and others? What exactly is the reason you dislike them> because you find it "ikky "is that all? You are a Human Being first and foremost.. the rest is just decoration.

      May 9, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • derp

      This coming from a follower of a religion where men f u ck sheep, and sell their 12 year old daughters to highest bidder.

      Muhammed was a drug crazed pedophile.

      Great role model that apparently most mustards are eager to follow.

      May 10, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
  4. Nooks

    It passed

    May 9, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Nobama

      Good. It passed in 38 other states as well.


      Take that, Chuck and Larry. For the legitimate 'partners' out there, be happy with civil unions and stop forcing your agenda into the churches.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Nobama

      I hate them g ay types. Unless they are wrist deep in my anus, fisting me with fury. Then they are ok in Gods eyes.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Nobama

      "fisting me with fury"

      I thought that was a Bruce Lee movie. Here it's rectal recreation. Imagine.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • GodPot

      "For the legitimate 'partners' out there"

      I'm just curious, what part of legallizing gay marriage would affect your own marriage or relationship status? How would giving them the same rights straight couple enjoy take anything away from your own rights? How in any way does it affect you?

      May 9, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • A bit more

      The real question of these laws and amendments is, can they withstand Constitutional scrutiny? Does restricting the rights of one group but allowing them violate the Equal Protection Clause?

      You see, the Founding Fathers were rightfully afraid of the mob rule qualities of pure democracy, and put checks and balances in place. They feared that an emotional majority would foolishly vote away precious liberties in heated moments, liberties that would be difficult or impossible to regain. They feared the erosion of the liberties they so valued, and so they created a Constitution that would protect against that.

      From a Constitutional view, these laws just cannot hold up. It's not a matter of what you like or don't like; the simple fact is that our equality is a core part of the basis of our system, and these laws violate that. HOWEVER, the present Supreme Court has the integrity of a bowling team of drunken used car salemen from Alabama, so they could have another one of their "corporate money is protected free speech" moments.

      We could easily get another Plessy vs. Ferguson decision.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Nobama

      @ GodPot

      "I'm just curious, what part of legallizing [sic] gay marriage would affect ...you?
      Personally, with respect to civil union, it wouldn't. Love is hard enough to find. If you do find it, whether you're gay or straight, you're fortunate. Don't look for moral judgements from me. Now, if you insist on being "married" in a "church" that doesn't believe in gay marriage, that's different.

      The question raised by DOMA is can the US afford to support another 'layer' of dependent benefits. There's over 1,000 'benefits' that are afforded to people in recognized marriages. I've said for years – gay marriage has little to do with religion and has everything to do with finance. Religious objection is just a smokescreen.

      "The real question of these laws and amendments is, can they withstand Consti tutional scrutiny?"
      The law is the lid on the money jar.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • J.W

      What if you want to get married in a church that does believe in it?

      May 9, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Unbelievable that anyone could see pas.sing this as being moral. I'm sorry but I live in a country where socialism works and we're damn proud of that fact. What this government did was basically sit there and pick and chose who were rightful deserving members of the state regardless of what they do for it, all based on two things a) same gender relationships and b) a piece of paper (remember this applies to common-law hetero couples also). They took away benefits from innocent children. They told people who are in love and happy that it was not acceptable...who the hell are they to step on someone's basic human rights.
      Reading stories like this and dumba.ss comments about immoral crap makes me thankful to live in Canada. AtheistSteve and I had this discussion the other day...when it comes to things such as marriage/marital status; child rearing; education; healthcare; criminal code; gun registry (although not 100%, it does work)...the rules our countries citizens abide by, pretty much apply across the board. It makes perfect sense if anyone thinks about it. It means everyone is treated as equally as possible...not such a bad thing.
      There is little doubt that this will be repealed.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • Nobama

      @ TruthPrevails 🙂

      Oh, Canada. Where Islamic schools are under investigation for ranting against Jews, pension plans are failing, economic growth is fading and citizens suffer protracted waits for health care services. Meanwhile your government has spent upwards of 5 billion dollars to create and maintain a gun registry of long guns for hunters resulting in little change of crimes involving registered guns. The guns used came from gangs.

      During your most recent economic conference the only thing the government agreed upon was that all the answers to these problems could be achieved... with more government. Ah, yes... socialism at work, to manage a population of what?

      34 million people.


      May 9, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • Sim34

      I've never experienced it myself, maybe it only exists on TV, but do judges really "marry" people, or can all they do is civilly unify them? Seems that, if they can marry people, then marriage isn't just for clergy to perform, and there shouldn't be any complaint.

      May 9, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
  5. Voice of Reason

    Boycott North Carolina tourism industry!

    May 9, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Nobama

      Yeah, like they'd let you in anyways.

      May 9, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Nobama

      They only allow bigots who molest younger family members in, like me.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Okey Dokey

      Does anyone actually choose to go to North Carolina? I figured it tied Nebraska for State With Nothing Of Interest To Tourists. Maybe they have the world's third largest ball of twine or something to draw in the tourists.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • J.W

      North Carolina is nice. They have nice forests and rivers and things like that. And they have beaches there.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • just sayin

      NC is a great state to visit and see. Its the religious inbreds that f it up.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • mandarax

      Yeah Okey Dokey, your ignorance is showing. NC has the Outer Banks, the Blue Ridge Parkway, the Smoky Mountains – all kinds of stuff. Tourism is huge. It's the 3rd top state for movie locations (behind CA and NY). But, it is indeed the fundies and conservatives that fock it up.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
  6. Cq

    It's because the Mosaic Law is so open to interpretation that Talmudic commentary was necessary. In this way Mosaic Law is like the US Const.itution, broad framework, and Talmud is like Supreme Court decisions interpreting the Const.itution with regards to every day life and it's finer points. The Catholics have Catechism and Papal authority to do the same general thing, but so many protestants only have charismatic preachers or their own personal interpretation of the Bible to give them how these ancient laws apply to everyday, modern life, and it's touch and go to say the very least.

    Like Kirk said, all of you guys think that whatever interpretation of biblical law comes to your minds is valid, and you take any and all criticism of your opinions as proof that you are correct by virtue of Jesus' warning that the true teachers of gospel would face criticism. Well, they still do face criticism, but they are also some of the ones here who criticize fringe theologists such as yourself. A lot of atheists, Dawkins and myself included, are of the opinion that if you stripped away all of the theology that was added to Jesus by the later New testament writers, the Church Fathers, Popes, reformists, televangelists, and modern celebrity pastors you'd have the teachings of a rather wise rabbi which was all about infusing a compassion for people that was sadly lacking in the inst.itutional religion of the time. Well, guess what? That same compassion is lacking in the religion that opposes gay rights today. You people are the Pharisees of this day.

    May 9, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Nii

      As I said, Marriage is a priviledge like being a President or Congressman. A right is like education, security, voting, etc all of which are sponsored by the state financially. If the state wants to define marriage as a right then it has to be prepared to sponsor it for those who can't afford it.

      May 10, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • Nii

      I don't mind you and Hitchens stripping down to the Bible to find a historical Jesus. Xtians hve tried that for 3 centuries and u r welcome to try. The Bible is however interpretative and conveys the intuitive impact of the story of ethical monotheism as compared to the story itself.

      May 10, 2012 at 1:25 am |
  7. Omar

    I hose down/kick all male dogs trying to hump eachother. it's freaking wrong. But when humans do it its ok??? you guys are all loco in the cabeza.

    May 9, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • Thomas

      Equating dogs and humans (seriously) doing what is natural as something that needs to be broken and trained out of them is depressing.

      May 9, 2012 at 11:13 am |
  8. George

    Racist...bigotted...we all fit those symbols one way or another, at some time or another, to someone or another...we use those words so freely they simply come to mean we did not get what we want. That is what life is about- we do not always get what we want. How we form our relationships is not free of impact on others. If it was, we would not have marriage, we would not have civial unions, we would not have contracts that we use to tell each other our intentions and to be bound to them. Then we tell our communities as well because it is an impact on community in many ways. Technology changes things and our world is in a different place and the past is irretrievably gone so change will come. Change with whch I agree and some I disagree happen all the time and I would imagine that is how it is for everyone- I do not expect that to change. Sometimes I must give up what I want for others and sometime they must give up for me. Because we disagree does not make them a bigot or racist or anything else and I know that as an adult but, at times, I revert to being a child and hurl names rather than thougts and understanding and personal growth. That community has spoken as to how it wishes to live. Over time that will change. We each want our communities to be as we want them but we cannot all have what we want when we want it. Communities are living breathing dynamic groups of people being faced with challenges and change. We move on, we change, and we are faced with more challenges and disgreements and wants and desires and must balance those with what is good for the community because the community is good for us. No one side of the argument has the ownership of the good- each side can hurl names at the other. That will never change either. So, everyone moves on from here into the changing future. That's life- enjoy it.

    May 9, 2012 at 9:34 am |
    • BRC

      One group of people passed an opressive measure to control the lives of a smaller group of people because they did not approve of them. That is bigotry. It's not name calling, it's not me being childish or petulant; it is the clear and simple definition of bigotry.

      Life doesn't always go the way we want, sometimes we don't get the job we're looking for, our flights get delayed, peopel we're attracted to say no when we ask them out, and the people we love eventually die. Those are the rough spots that we all face, that are out of our control. In this case a group of ignorant closed minded people made a concious decision to VOTE to take something away form other people, because they don't like them. That is very avoidable, and it is wrong. No matter how poetic or essoteric the supporting arguments may be, it was bigotted, and it is wrong.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Thomas

      Do you really feel that 1/3 of the population represents the actual majority? The rallying cry of those for this vote has been "bible says bad, so don't allow it" and religion should not be used as a tool to impede the civil rights of two people who want to enter into loving monogamous relationship and want what the state affords those people in a committed relationship.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • Primewonk

      If you choose to be ignorant that some folks are born gay, just like 1500 other species, and instead choose to believe that a group of scientifically illiterate nomadic bronze-aged shepherds want you to think gays are icky, fine. Just keep your ancient ridiclous myths out of our secular laws.

      By the way, in some parts of the southern red states, half the republicans still think interracial marriage should be illegal. And these morons think this way because they think this is what their god wants.

      May 9, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • Nobama

      " half the republicans still think interracial marriage should be illegal"

      Really? Half?

      Did it hurt much when you pulled that little 'factoid' our of your ass?

      May 9, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Nobama

      Forget factiods being pulled from butt holes, I can fit a whole wine bottle I'm my anus. One time it broke in there, lost a lot of blood.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Nobama

      So, it's the old "I got shlt, so I'll just steal your name" game.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Nobama

      Believe me, I know the sh!t game. My uncle used drop hot smelly duces on my chest when I was a teen. That's why I'm so full of hate and bigotry.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • Nii

      Growing up gay rights was same as human rights. How it became marriage "rights" still baffles me. Marriage is a priviledge. If it isn't then we can all match to our govts to demand free marriages with honeymoons. A right is sponsored by de state for all citizens. Gays won't be de only ones out!

      May 9, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Kirk

      Marriage rights, or the right to marry, is a liberty that every other adult in America enjoys except gays.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Nobama – are you really this ignorant? Do you not know that google is also a verb?

      Public Policy Polling – did a poll last April (2011) in Mississippi asking republicans their opinions on various candidates and their opinion on interracial marriage. 46% of them said interracial marriage should be illegal.

      Tea baggers, such as yourself, should embrace your hatred and bigotry. It's all you fundiots have left.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • Nobama

      @ Primewa nker

      During a March, 2012 interview, National Public Radio (NPR) highlighted Public Policy Polling as "“one of the most prolific polling outfits in the country.” The interview with Dean Debnam, the founder of PPP, kicked off with this introduction:

      "Public Policy Polling is a Democratic-leaning survey firm based in North Carolina. Within just a few years of its founding, the company has become one of the most prolific polling outfits in the country. And during this election cycle, its polls have strengthened their reputation for predi ctive accuracy."

      During his interview, Dean Debnam noted: "I decided that the highest and best use of my time was to invest in something that made Democrats more competi tive in races."

      Geez, kid. You really are a Prime Wan ker if you take this stuff at face value and disregard the intent.

      May 9, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Nii

      The biblical definition of wisdom is similaar to the EQ. So in effect you cannot separate the intuitiveness of the Bible from Jesus by analytical thinking alone. Rather when charitable love(an intuitive thought) dominates ur mind it seems u analyse things better. Then u can understand de Bible.

      May 10, 2012 at 1:32 am |
  9. BRC

    I'm not surprised, North Carolina is one of the most racist and bigotted states in the Nation, but I am dissapointed. I hoped that we could show that as a people, and as a country, maybe just maybe we could show that we don't suck. The majority failed.

    I'll put it this way. The majority of citizens of North Carolina voted that they should be able to control the lives of a minority, without any value of protecting the common good. That it ever reached the point that a group of bigotted people had the opportunity to do so shows a failure in our system. The suffering that the LGBT community has had in our nation, while very disheartening, is not comparable to the suffering of minority races in our history; but the principle is the same. IF North Carolina tried to pass a law that interacial marriages were illegal (a measure that in that backwards state would find an alarming amount of support, very possibly even an ignorant majority), it would be the duty of the state government to step in and say "No, that measure is wrong, and will not be passed". Why didn't that happen here?

    I don't live there (thankfully), so there is really not much I can do about it, and I know it's not the only state so lost in ignorance; but I still can't help but feel sad that after all our developement and supposed maturity, our Nation still behaves like this.

    May 9, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • Thomas

      Tyranny of the majority man. It happens when the other 2/3s of the population are apathetic and don't voice their opinion. It's truly the NC state's fault that this was a a public vote. They can wash their hands of the issue and claim democracy.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      I live there and I'm appalled. But then again, I live in one of the counties that had a majority wanting to shoot it down. It's hard to believe I live in a state that is the bigoted.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • BRC

      @I'm the best,
      My condolences. Maybe we can build an impenetrable dome over top of the parts of the state that aren't the beach, and all move forward from there.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • Mira

      BRC- Be careful – your first statement is a bigotted as any I have read-not to mention thoughtless. Now, assume you know me and what I believe and hurl a name at me.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:44 am |
    • BRC

      Some quick facts- North Carolina has the largest population of Neo-Nazis anywhere in the country. There are towns in North Carolina TO THIS DAY that have signs out front saying black people are not welcome (not always in that nice of language). They passed a SECOND legal action to prevent same gender unions. My statement is not bigotted, it is based on evidence. North Carolina, as a state, is HEAVILY racist and bigoted.

      That does not mean all the citizens are. I know nothing about you, I would hope, assuming you live in that state, that you were part of the minority that saw that teh measure was wrong and voted against it. But the facts remain, the state, it's government, adn some of its legal measures are bigotted. If you live there and that offends you, please, I emplore you, HELP FIX IT. Do you still find my comment bigotted or does that help clear things up?

      May 9, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      I'm not sure if some of those things are right. I've lived here all my life and have never seen any of these signs. Plus I'm not sure if the neo-nazi statement is correct. I grew up in a small town and never met one of them. Although I know they are around, I'm not sure if its the largest population of them in the country

      But it is the second law to ban gay marriage. The fiat banned the marriage, this one banned even civil unions.

      May 9, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • BRC

      @I'm the best,
      Used to live in Southern VA, about 30 minutes from the border. The Neo-nazi populations center around the various military bases (along with a number of "militias"), and is just one of those facts I picked up while I was there (maybe it's changed since; if it helps Ohio had the highes population of KKK for a while). As for the signs, Dad has seen them (had to travel through the state all the time for business. If the facts changed they changed, but that they were true in my short lifetime is enough to bother me.

      May 9, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      You might be right, I guess I just like to think we're better than that.
      Plus, most of my adult life I've been in or around the big cities. Just never personally seen it here in NC

      May 9, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • BRC

      @I'm the best,
      I'd like to hope you're right and most people are better than that too. Maybe too many reasonable people thought to themselves "this isn't going to pass" and let it go; who knows.

      I don't hold it against people from NC, and I don't immediately assume they're bigots (that would be bigotry Mira, but I don't do that). Southern VA isn't too much better (it's just overpowered by the much more diverse Northern VA), except VA doesn't have the awesome beaches going for it. I don't want what I said to be true, but what I see and what I hear and what I know lends to the evidence that it is. I'm just more frustrated and dissapointed than anything else.

      May 9, 2012 at 10:26 am |
  10. RFBJR

    This amendment (NC is the 30th state to pass it) simply defines the term marriage as a union between a man and a woman. The attempt, which is a legal matter, is to clearly define a word that is in other legislation. Others have attempted to define marriage as something other than a union between a man and a woman.

    May 9, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • Primewonk

      Marriage is not a static term. It changes over time, location, and culture. What the fundiots (fundamentalist îdiots) are attempting to do is fix the definition to one of their choosing.

      The amendment also goes much further, banning civil unions and domestic partnerships.

      The amendment truly shows that NC is a deeply ignorant state full of incredibly stupid people. Stupid people who voted for the amendment, and stupid people who sat back and didn't cast their votes against it.

      These cretins for some reason think the US is a theocracy, and that their sick sadistic psychotic schizophrenic putz of a god has legal standing in our laws.

      We should wall-off the state and remove it from the union. I vote we change the name to Dumbfûckistan.

      May 9, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      Normally I'm pretty nice to people on these boards and will try to hang back and only point out when people are making very wrong points and primewonk, your usually okay, bit that's my home state so fvck you, you fvcking as.sh.at.
      I agree that it should have never passed, but still fvck you.

      May 9, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ I'm the best – sorry if I offended you. But folks like this deserve to be mocked and vilified. And as long as "red" states can suckle at the teat of the feds, getting more dollars back than they pay in, there is no reason for them to join the 20th century, much less the 21st.

      Cut them off. Turn them loose. Build the fûcking wall. Perhaps then more folks like you will come to their senses and demand a change.

      May 9, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Nobama

      @ Primewonk

      " And as long as "red" states can suckle at the teat of the feds, getting more dollars back than they pay in"

      Define 'suckle.' Enti tlements? Highway funds? Federal works projects that were always primarily dependent on federal funding? Why don't you break this one down for us.

      May 9, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • I'm The Best!

      I'd like to know what you mean by suckle as well
      And what do you mean by folks like me? I was against the amendment. And an atheist in a southern state. I hope your state starts a theocracy and a wall is built around it before you can leave you as.shole.

      May 9, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Nobama

      Maybe Primewa nker meant military bases (there's lots in the south) Or federally-guaranteed loans? Hmmm. I guess he was intimating that the tax base in the south isn't what it is in the north... Now would that be the corporate or personal tax rates?

      Primewa nker needs to rethink the verbal diarrhea he spews. Ahh, adolescence. When you think you know it all and aren't afraid to make an ass of yourself proving it.

      May 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • NC is Inbreeding Ignorance

      Here's an idea. Let's have everyone over 18 in NC take 8th grade equivilency tests and if you don't get a 65% or better you get relegated to a section of the state that will now be known as "Dumbfûckistan" and you get no vote because you are to stupid to be allowed to influence society at large. I'm guessing they would need a pretty large chunk of the state to house them all...

      May 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Nobama

      You're out of K-Y? Again? Wow, that was fast. But it's not your fault. The directions do say "apply liberally."

      May 9, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Nobama

      You can have my K-Y. When me and my brother fvck we just use our spit.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Primewonk

      I'm the Best wrote, " I'd like to know what you mean by suckle as well
      And what do you mean by folks like me? I was against the amendment. And an atheist in a southern state. I hope your state starts a theocracy and a wall is built around it before you can leave you as.shole."

      Again, what I mean is that these red states, dominated by ignorance, poverty, and religious idiocy, gat back more dollars from the feds than they pay in. In other words, for every $1.00 the citizens pay in federal taxes,the state gets backmore than a dollar in federal funds.

      And I meant that if we walled off these states that choose to be ignorant, then maybe folks like you, who have a brain, will recruit others to force these states to change their ways.

      As for "nobama" – you're just a pathetic tea bagger troll who is still pîssed that a well educated, smart, *gasp* black man, was elected President.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Nobama

      Primewa nk

      "In other words, for every $1.00 the citizens pay in federal taxes,the state gets backmore than a dollar in federal funds."

      So, if you can't deal in facts, just keep repeat the same bullshlt. That make you just another blowhole propagandist.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Nobama, again you seem to lack a basic comprehension of common knowledge. According to 2011 data, North Carolina gets $1.08 back from the feds for every dollar they pay in.

      I wonder why you didn't know this?

      May 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • Nobama

      @ Primewa nker

      You're stuck on a number that you think marginalizes southern states such as North Carolina. I'm saying that, in order to make a fair comparison, you have to consider the sources & reasons for their federal revenue.

      You'd rather just keep pounding away on a number like a wind-up monkey beating on a drum.

      May 9, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
  11. Mark from Middle River

    Thank God this was banned. It's good to see someone finally taking a stance against this abomination!

    May 9, 2012 at 7:20 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why? Do you think it's going to matter?

      May 9, 2012 at 7:22 am |
    • Primewonk

      Mark – Why aren't you ignorant fundiots in these ignorant fundy red states not passing constîtutional amendments banning divorce? After all, your god condemns divorce many more times in your bible than he does loving consensual monogamous same sèx marriage.

      May 9, 2012 at 8:03 am |
    • Cq

      Good point.

      May 9, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • Omar

      lmao!! "loving consensual monogamous same sèx marriage" you'll never find THAT in the bible. lmao

      May 9, 2012 at 10:46 am |
  12. Kebos

    Yeah, the bible is clear on a lot of things. Like putting your children to death for misbehaving. I make no apologies for living my life by not using the bible as my guide. It might have applied to a bunch of tribal Arabs back 2 or 3 thousand years ago when male domination was the rule of the day. But not anymore. Send your bibles back to the Arab desert where they belong.

    May 9, 2012 at 6:21 am |
    • Omar

      Read that "arab bible" The Jesus it mentions is upon us. He is even at the door

      May 9, 2012 at 10:48 am |
  13. Prayer really works

    Gay marriages is finally banned.

    May 9, 2012 at 5:37 am |
    • just sayin


      May 9, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • J.W

      In most of the country it is moving in the opposite direction.

      May 9, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Nobama

      No, J.W, it's not. You might like it to be, but simply saying it's so doesn't change reality. No matter how many times you repeat it.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Nobama

      Its all good for NC. Now us ha u bashing closet pedophiles can rest in piece.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Me II

      "About 50% of Americans believe same-se.x couples should be allowed to wed - up considerably from polls in past years."

      May 9, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Nobama

      Oh, well.. if it's in a CNN poll.... 😆 Obviously you've seen it on the internets so you know it's true.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Me II

      ... and the basis for your statement is?

      May 9, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Me II

      "For the first time in 15 years of Pew Research Center polling, fewer than half oppose same-se.x marriage."

      May 9, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Me II

      Here's an interesting correlation:
      "On gun control, Americans have become more conservative; on gay marriage, they have become more liberal."

      Guns and Gays go together, who'd a thunk it...

      May 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Me II


      Happy now?

      May 9, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • J.W

      Nobama I have not seen any figures supporting what you said.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Nobama

      You obviously haven't had your Probability and Statistics class yet. I only care about who sponsors the 'survey' to discern how much spin they've put on it in order to advance their agenda. You can make numbers say anything you want to. Failing rhetorical manipulation, you can just make up the numbers to suit yourself.

      "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." M Twain.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Nobama

      For Me II and J.W – the last true measure of accuracy in 'polling' is probably the vote. Of course the conspiracy theorists try to taint that as well (and might be right, thanks to Diebold?) but the vote is as accurate a measure as can be made in our society.

      Review the Federal Defense of Marriage Act from 1996 and this link:


      May 9, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • J.W

      But that is only one state. I bet there will be other states within the next few years that will vote to legalize it.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Me II

      I'm not saying that more people are in favor of gay marriage, although the pew poll would support that, all I'm saying is that @JW's statement that, "it is moving in the opposite direction," seems to be accurate, in the sense that the trend is toward acceptance not against.

      The fact that ~30 states have laws/amendments banning gay marriage and the DOMA passage all point to a large populace, if not a majority, being against it. I wouldn't disagree.

      In addition, your *concern* about who paid for the polling, is somewhat mitigated by the fact that the Pew results are a trend over multiple polls in the past and therefore are less affected by wording and subjects surveyed.

      Fyi, I also won't have gone this far for a silly survey, if your comment hadn't been so snarky.


      May 9, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • GodPot

      It's funny that you quote Mark Twain, as he was one of America's most famous progressives. Read more of his works and you will likely understand that Mr. Clemens would vehemently denounce your bigoted position.

      "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts." – Mark Twain

      I'd recommend you try leaving your trailer and seeing more of the real world.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Nobama

      @ GodPot

      There you go again getting all assumptive and insulting – just when I was beginning to think that you were capable of a civil conversation.

      May 9, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  14. just sayin

    The lights came on in North Carolina. Finally a peoples with honest common sense have become a beacon to America. Reject ho mo se xuality, repent and return America to Gods care and keeping. God bless

    May 9, 2012 at 4:47 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So you think if you pass an amendment, people will stop being gay?

      May 9, 2012 at 7:23 am |
    • Hamid

      No, you have to pass a law to do that.

      May 9, 2012 at 7:32 am |
    • Thomas

      Honesty and common sense do not come to mind when the winners were a bigoted group beating a minority of the population regarding their rights and freedoms due to an out dated book.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:16 am |
    • Cq

      It's the opposite of common sense, actually.

      May 9, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • Big John Travolta

      Oh, my achin' back. You, with the big hands, come over here.

      May 9, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
  15. Al

    I am surprised the amendment doesn't allow gay marriage provided that the two men are brothers.

    May 9, 2012 at 4:39 am |
    • Huh


      May 9, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    May 9, 2012 at 4:33 am |
    • Thomas

      I just prayed that you would respect other peoples beliefs.

      Didn't work 🙁

      May 9, 2012 at 9:51 am |
  17. MAJORITY always WINS!


    May 9, 2012 at 2:51 am |
  18. M.F. Luder

    Research Triangle Park needs to be moved to another state – one that isn't ruled by dogma-spewing in-breds.

    May 8, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • I'm The Best!

      I work near that area. It's one of the few counties that had the majority voting against the amendment. If it leaves there's no telling what the bigoted will do to my home state.

      May 9, 2012 at 9:36 am |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    May 8, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Jesus

      ~Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!.~.`

      May 8, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
  20. Snow

    Well, lets start working on amendment #2: make it const.itutionally illegal for a man to play with himself .. you know, hold it in hand and whack away.. after all it is deemed in bible, in more sentences than one, that it is wrong and illegal and a sin..

    Lets see how many devout religious folks will support the amendment!

    May 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Sleet

      I might be wrong, but I don't think that flogging the bishop is covered at all in the Bible. Occassionally morons like just saying will try to make Onan jokes, only to find out in humiliation (he does everything in humiliation, but that's another story) that Onan was not having a one man tug of war with Cyclops.

      May 8, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Nii

      Paul says where there is no LAW there is No SIN. In the words of the Jehovah Witnesses nowhere does the Bible condemn masturbation but we feel it is wrong. Lesbianism is also not listed as it is a form of mutual masturbation. Unfortunately some need the lesbians to make being gay look better.

      May 8, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • mandarax

      Nii, you're seriously messed up. No kidding.

      May 8, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Dr. Doobie Pakalolo, Nii's in-facility psychiatrist

      Nii, you missed your meds this morning. We are going to have to up the dosage to control this dissociative episode.

      May 8, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Cq

      So, you're saying that lesbians aren't really gay, like gay guys are, because they can't penetrate each other. ... and, somehow, that makes all the difference to God?

      And just when I thought your theology couldn't get any weirder...

      Also, if you trust Paul's opinion, then Romans 1:26-28 can mean that the Bible really does condemn lesbians.

      May 9, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • Nii

      Paul said lesbianism is a consequence of men being gay. In fact, he didn't judge it to be a crime. He was a Rabbi so he knew the Law already.
      I appreciate that for the most part I will never be recieved with applause for presenting the Bible's actual point of view. Its a work hazard.

      May 9, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • Nii

      Christ not just S.Paul forbade us from forming our own moral injunctions apart from the Law. The Talmud took a real beating from Christ for doing this. The Jerusalem Council also fought de Talmudic Law. De Law was de Mosaic Law, period. That contains de moral injunctions. All else r not binding!

      May 9, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Kirk

      Part of the problem with the New Testament message that the apostles will be faced with harsh criticism when preaching the gospel is that every just sayin, HeavenSent and Nii such as yourself with a wonky, personal theology actually gets encouraged when everyone tells them just how off the Jesus message they really are. The more outrageous the theology, the further you get from Jesus' actual teaching, the greater the backlash you guys get from atheists like me and a whole lot of actual Christians and, with that, the greater your conviction gets. It's people like you that make me sad for the actual Jesus. Thankfully he never lived to see how you all have twisted his teaching.

      May 9, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • Big John Travolta

      Look at this f'n guy threatening a "backlash from atheists."

      Back to the bridge, Sparky. The hot blonde yeoman has your report ready.

      May 9, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Nii

      Your problem with the Gospel is more with the people you see as in charge of it. I do have training in Theology. However I depend on my experience of Xtian spirituality to talk. I believe it is high time we focus on spirituality rather than religion. Fringe maybe! However, I do not see it as bad

      May 9, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Nii

      Why you want these boards all to yourself? I think you are being unreasonable. Was I insulted? Yes! Was I talking about my latest sports car? No. So what if my thoughts are not yours? Do they make name-calling right? And u really want me to believe you know what is right? Interesting!

      May 9, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Me II

      "Paul said lesbianism is a consequence of men being gay."
      Curious... what's the basis for this?

      May 9, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Nii

      I dont care much 4 de intricacies of theology. Its only when atheists do confront me with theological opinion that I respond in kind. I suspect u r a former Xtian so u know some theology but I also know that de Bible isnt all pastors preach on so most of u r not familiar with the Bible itself.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • Nii

      ME II
      If u read Romans Chapters 1&2 u'll realise Paul's concept of sin. However de lesbians were in his opinion trying 2 show de men they can also do their own thing. However what a man can do to another man which is a sin cant be done by a woman 2 another. De Bible takes its time to list se.x sins.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • Me II

      The only text I can see that even hints at what you said is, "Even their women exchanged natural se.xual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another." (Romans 1)
      But to say that "Paul said lesbianism is a consequence of men being gay," seems like quite a stretch to me.

      May 9, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Kirk

      You think you're preaching the Bible, but it's just your own opinion. It's your arrogance that blinds you to that fact.

      May 9, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • Nii

      ME II
      Seems like a stretch huh! Not really! The point I'm making is pretty simple. Lesbianism is not considered a sin in the Bible. The s.ex sins are clearly defined in the Bible.

      May 10, 2012 at 1:09 am |
    • Nii

      ME II did the right thing he actually went to the reference I gave on the biblical definition of sin. I don't preach the Bible. I allow it to speak. I prefer that a person reads a passage rather than a verse since it speaks to you that way.

      May 10, 2012 at 1:14 am |
    • Nii

      I didn't come here to preach or teach. However I see assertions by Atheists which are unfounded all the time which are meant to "recruit"(their words not mine) and it is not wrong for me to offer my perspective. So indeed they are my opinions.

      May 10, 2012 at 2:51 am |
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