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May 11th, 2012
09:24 AM ET

Complexity in black church reactions to Obama’s gay marriage announcement

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - After the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. first gained wide public recognition in the mid-1950s, he made a special request to evangelist Billy Graham.

King was poised to join Graham on one of his barnstorming crusades, but he would do so only on one condition. He asked Graham to publicly speak out against segregation, a request Graham declined, says San Diego State University historian Edward Blum.

“What Graham feared was losing all of his influence,” Blum says. “For him, personal salvation was primary, justice secondary. For King, justice was primary.”

After President Obama this week became the first sitting president to endorse same-sex marriage, black clergy and churchgoers could be facing a question that's similar to the one that fractured King and Graham: Should my ideas about personal holiness trump my notion of justice?

The answer to that question is evolving – just as Obama’s views on gay marriage have been. Poll numbers and interviews with black clergy suggest it’s simplistic to say that the black church is anti-gay marriage and may desert Obama, as some pundits have suggested.

Equal rights for some people?

Some black pastors take the approach of Graham, who recently came out in support of a successful drive to amend North Carolina’s constitution to ban same-sex marriage and domestic partnerships.

For them, personal salvation is primary; homosexuality a sin, and so is gay marriage. Their enthusiasm for Obama will be diminished, Blum says.

“It will be, ‘I’m going to vote for him, but I’m not going to talk about him much,’ ” Blum says. “It’s the difference between voting for him, or voting for him and putting out a street sign and making sure your neighbor gets to the poll.”

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Others in the black church say their approach centers on justice.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, who was a part of King’s inner circle, says Obama had to support gay marriage because he believes in equal rights.

“You can’t believe in equal rights for some people and yet not believe in equal rights for everybody,” Lowery says. “That includes the right to marry the person of your choice. Equal rights for some people are an oxymoron.”

Lowery says Obama’s announcement was “more revolutionary” than the moment that President Lyndon Johnson went on national television during the heyday of the civil rights movement and called for racial equality, declaring, “We shall overcome.”

Obama’s “We Shall Overcome” moment will force Americans – black and white – to reexamine positions on same-sex marriage, Lowery says.

“A lot of white people didn’t believe in desegregation until the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional,” says Lowery, who presided over Obama’s inauguration. “And then they began to rethink it and basically came to the same conclusion.”

Pastor or president?

At least one black minister in North Carolina captures another neglected dimension to the debate. He opposes same-sex marriage but doesn’t like the energy Christians devote to opposing it.

“He’s the president of the Untied States, not the pastor of the United States,” says the Rev. Fred Robinson, who lives in Charlotte. “America is a democracy, not a theocracy. I’m not going to vote on one issue.”

Robinson says some Christians are better at being against something than for something. Christian divorce rates are just as high as those for secular marriages, he says.

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“Our witness is stronger if we actually show that we believe in marriage and lived in and honored it,” he says. “That would be a greater witness than running to the polls to enshrine discrimination in the state constitution.”

The Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African-American Ministers Leadership Council, says he opposes same-sex marriage, but he is more concerned about issues like health care, education and jobs.

He's interested to see how black pastors handle Obama’s announcement when they step onto the pulpit Sunday.

“I don’t see how you cannot talk about it,” he says. “I have to. You can say I’m opposed to it [same-sex marriage], but that doesn’t mean I’m against the president.”

McDonald says more black pastors are talking about same-sex marriage than ever before: “Three years ago, there was not even a conversation about this issue – there wasn’t even an entertainment of a conversation about this.”

Polls show that black opinions on same-sex marriage are changing.

According to a Pew Research Center poll conducted in April, 49% of black respondents described themselves as opposed to marriage between gays and lesbians, 14% fewer than in 2008. The percentage of African-Americans in favor of it increased from 26% in 2008 to 39% in 2012.

In 2008, Californians voted on Proposition 8, a measure that would make same-sex marriage illegal in the state, at the same time that they cast ballots for president.

CNN exit polling showed that 70% of California African-Americans supported Prop 8 but that the overwhelming majority - 94% - also backed President Obama.

Black pastors who preach in favor of same-sex marriage know they may pay a price if they take Obama’s position, says Bishop Carlton Pearson.

Pearson is a black minister who says he lost his church building and about 6,000 members when he began preaching that gays and lesbians were accepted by God.

“That’s the risk that people take,” he told CNN. “A lot of preachers actually don’t have a theological issue. It’s a business decision. They can’t afford to lose their parishioners and their parsonages and salaries.”

Pearson navigates the tension between the Bible’s call for holiness and justice this way:

“I take the Bible seriously, just not literally,” he says. “It’s more important what Jesus said about God than what the church says about Jesus.”

CNN staff writer Stephanie Siek contributed to this report.

- CNN Writer

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Christianity • Gay marriage • Politics

soundoff (2,207 Responses)
  1. huh

    If Obama held a gun to his wife's head and killed her on national television black people would still vote for him. They're good sheep.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Have you considered that even if every Black person voted for him, he could not have won without a larger number of non Black votes.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • JohnQuest

      According to your logic, all Whites were sheep until the last election, they have voted exclusively for Whites.

      What about all the Whites that voted for McCain did they vote for him because he was White?

      Consistency make a better argument

      May 11, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • huh

      95% of white people voted for McCain? Wow, you pretty report this, not many people know about this! I love how you make this statement after saying the non-white vote won Obama the election. I tell you what son, when you decide to make sense, we'll talk more.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • huh

      JohnQuest logic: Whites won Obama the Whitehouse, all blacks, like all whites vote for Obama. Man you're funny.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • huh

      More JohnQuest logic: All of France vote for white candidates, they must be sheep (it of course has nothing to do with the fact that no black person was running). Yeah, all whites until McCain voted white LOL LOL, you mean the US had no black candidates during the 19th century? LOL Funny, you would think the great progressive French would've had a minority candidate by now. Also, why do the English vote White? Dude your logic is astonishingly awesome, keep it up, the entertainment value is there.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • JohnQuest

      huh, what??? If 95 % of Whites voted for McCain he would be President, since Whites make up over 70% of the population. Please check your numbers and logic

      May 11, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • JC

      No it is your logic that is truly flawed. For the longest time, blacks have mainly voted for Democrats and the last time I checked Obama is a Democrat. So it would make sense that when a democratic candidate(Obama) went up for office they would vote for him in an overwhelming majority, just like they have done for every other presidential candidate before him.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • ME II

      FYI, according to CNN exit polls (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1)

      Total
      Obama McCain Other/No Answer
      White (74% [of total voters])
      43% [for Obama]
      55% [for McCain]
      2%

      African-American (13% [of total voters])
      95% [for Obama]
      4% [for McCain]
      1%

      Latino (9%)
      67%
      31%
      2%

      Asian (2%)
      62%
      35%
      3%

      Other (3%)
      66%
      31%
      3%

      May 11, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • bspurloc

      if Obama cured cancer the GOP would declare he was causing Over Population

      May 11, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • as;ldkfj;aksl

      That's a bunch of crap. In 2008 when they were voting for their first black president they were all gung ho. At the same time they were advancing their agenda they vote against gays having rights.

      So much for fighting for civil rights. I guess it only counts if you are black.

      Yes, when I say "they" I mean black people. Since they obviously don't think they are on the same side as anybody else. They have their rights, now they can take them away from other people. You should be so proud

      What a joke... a bunch of black bigots. Who would have imagined.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
  2. ATPMSD

    The only way racism will end is if BOTH white and black people stop playing the race card. There are certainly a lot of white people who are still racist but, in my view, the vast majority are black. What a shame.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Nonono

      That's racist don't say that about black people they are not more racist.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • Primewonk

      In a poll from April 2011, half the republicans in Mississippi said that interracial marriage should be illegal.

      I wonder how many of them were black?

      May 11, 2012 at 11:31 am |
  3. J

    Good article. States the case clearly. Jesus didn't judge anyone (except the religious hypocrites) more harshly than anyone else. He came to save "the lost" (everyone). He wanted everyone to turn around and choose God/holiness. He preached "good news": that God loves us and paid the penalty for all of our mistakes through Christ's death.

    God help us all.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • seyedibar

      Jesus made it very clear in the sermon on the mount that his message was only for jewish listeners. Of course that's only a nonsensical point because he didn't actually exist outside of myth, but you get the point.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • J

      You do realize that there is archaelogical evidence of his existence, right? Just saying he didn't exist doesn't make it true.

      For that matter, saying that God doesn't exist doesn't negate His existence.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • seyedibar

      You would be wrong. There is ZERO evidence of his existence... but that's a difficult point to argue with someone who believes in witches and sorcerors and talking snakes.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • cosmochick

      @J.... archaeological evidence??? really? WHERE? (please don't point me to someone's personal website, i'd like to see trusted sources). Historical and anecdotal evidence maybe, but archaeological evidence.... you'd be the richest man in the world if you could produce that one!

      May 11, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • J

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

      May 11, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • J

      “I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.” – C.S. Lewis

      May 11, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • josh1

      I think it is pretty clear from the wikipedia article that there is no evidence, and that the existence of Jesus as a person is questionable at best. But that is just me trying to interpret the long wikipedia article.

      May 13, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
  4. Well.....

    I don’t really care if gay people want to get married, I would prefer they call it something else, but whatever. I do think we need better laws around healthcare, but at the end of the day Obama isn’t going to make either of these things attainable, and if he does they will be more hurtful than beneficial. With all of these added things such as gay marriage and universal healthcare we are losing sight of the most important concern which is the state of our economy financially and jobs for the unemployed. Unfortunately not every want/need can be taken care of immediately, though all are valid and should be addressed they will be just not at this moment. Gay people have not been able to get married for years and therefore waiting a few more won’t kill you. We have survived without universal healthcare for years as well and though it has sucked it is not a big deal to go without for a few more years. Obama and Romney are both not the greatest candidates to pick from for various reasons however OUR economy and job creation are the most important issues that we as a country need to focus on and then we can focus on gay marriage and universal healthcare. Obama made many empty promises and hasn’t delivered, he is also not very qualified to get our economy and jobs back on track, he is not the person for this task. Romney is the best candidate for this election.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • teachernurse

      It is ridulous to say Obama has not done anything!. As far as the economy, he saved the car companies and all the suppliers of parts! thousands of jobs were saved. Yes Romney, the bully, will be able to "fire" people, let people go bankrupt, which certainly does not help creditors, and take his money off shore. I have worked my whole life and continue to work just as hard as Romney, but did not have the rich parents to be able to go to all of those private schools and start out with millions. We need someone who understands the lower and middle classes and women issues as well as the economy. Obama, is a smart man who has done much for this country. By the way, I am one of the "white" older people, married to the same man for over 50 years, who voted for Obama and intends to do so again to protect the health and welfare of my children, I grandchildren, and great grandchildren. I like it that he comes out for all people, even if it hurts him in the election. I find him to be a very brave president.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Liliana

      I disagree, the GOP plant is not in the best interest of the country especially on this thought times. They want to deregulate, dismantle the federal government and let the states decide everything. This is the beginning of the UN-united states of America where the rich will get rewarded and the poor will get minimum wage jobs and be segregated socially and educationally.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • tnwoman

      @Well:

      "Romney is the best candidate...." No, Romney is NOT the BEST candidate for the office of POTUS because his "vulture capitalism" actions via his company, Bain Capital (buying up ailing companies stripping them of their assets; firing "superfluous" employees; loading these companies down with debt; sending the jobs overseas; RAIDING their PENSION funds; AND pocketing large FEES for DESTROYING these companies) is the MAIN reason we are in this MESS. Romney and his type of "business" people wanted to do the same thing with General Motors AND Chrysler until OUR government stepped in. Bain and the other companies like Bain were waiting in line to pick the bones of GM and Chrysler. Can YOU imagine America with ONLY one DOMESTIC auto company? The Midwest would have been economically DEVASTATED. WAKE UP! Romney is NOT the BEST one if you are an average working American.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • tnwoman

      @Well:

      "Romney is the best candidate...." No, Romney is NOT the BEST candidate for the office of POTUS because his "vulture capitalism" actions via his company, Bain Capital (buying up ailing companies stripping them of their assets; firing "superfluous" employees; loading these companies down with debt; sending the jobs overseas; RAIDING their PENSION funds; AND pocketing large FEES for DESTROYING these companies) is the MAIN reason we are in this MESS. Romney and his type of "business" people wanted to do the same thing with General Motors AND Chrysler until OUR government stepped in. Bain and the other companies like Bain were waiting in line to pick the bones of GM and Chrysler. Can YOU imagine America with ONLY one DOMESTIC auto company? The Midwest would have been economically DEVASTATED. WAKE UP! Romney is NOT the BEST one if you are an average working American.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
  5. Youth in Asia

    Its the ultimate in hypocrisy for blacks to use the stupid bible to deny civil rights to anyone considering what they went through with whites trying to use the bible and religion to keep them under their thumbs.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:43 am |
  6. seyedibar

    Black churches will support Obama no matter what comes out of his mouth. They should be aware by now that Obama is not really a theist. And they certainly won't support Mitt Romney whose own religion teaches that black skin is a symbol of sin. Obama has no worries in this.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:42 am |
  7. Opal

    No, No, No, Even though he is the President he has a right to his feeling too!!

    May 11, 2012 at 10:41 am |
  8. amengeo amengeo

    What is the big deal? What two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes or wherever should not be the concern of the State or anyone else. These Christians and other assorted religious fruit-baskets need to understand that the Bible cannot mandate one's life. Good for the religious-mythical universe, not good for everybody else. Leave people alone to make their own choices. Is that not what freedom is supposed to be about?

    May 11, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Christian

      We're preventing them from sinning. If you saw someone drowning would you not try to save them?

      May 11, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • mytwocents

      I think the church doesn't wanna tell people what to do with their private life even though they wish they could. The problem here is that it has been made a state's problem, and disagreeing with someone is one thing but supporting something you disagree with trough your vote is something else, so take it off the ballot and churches won't care. Just don't make it one of the selling point of a guy you want them to vote for

      May 11, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Christian, is it not between them and their God, not you or the Government?

      May 11, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • EZ

      Christian

      No one drowns on purpose.. they are making a conscious decision to get married. nobody is asking for your help.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • Primewonk

      @Christian –
      Point 1 – We are not a theocracy. Whatever your version of a god wants, needs, desires, or demands, is irrelevant. Neither your version of a god, or any other version of any of the other 10,000 gods we've invented has legal standing in our secular nation.

      point 2 – Your god hates divorce, adultery, and fornication much more than being gay, based on how often he comdemns them. Just think of how many more millions of sinners you could discriminate against, er, save, if you spent your time and energy passing laws and amendments banning divorce, adultery, and fornication.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • J

      7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
      3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

      (Who isn't a 'sinner'? The guy Jesus forgave immediately w/o judgment on the cross next to him was a murderer.)

      May 11, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • sam stone

      christian: your drowning analogy is ludicrous.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Christian, please confine your activities to preventing your own cult members from sinning, and leave the rest of us alone. I suggest you start by reducing the number of abortions had by believers, currently at about 700,000 per year in the USA.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • teachernurse

      Christian, why aren't you out there beating the bushes to stop "divorce?" That is the bigger sin. I do not see churches fighting that because most of you have been married more than once. I find that very hypocritical and I attend a christian church and believe in it, but they are very intolerant of what they see as this sin of gayness, but very tolerant of abuse, divorce, etc. I do not see Christian Catholics talking much about abuse in their own churches, or Christians talking much about polygomy which the grandfather of Romney practiced. Funny we look at Obama's father, yet rarely mention that Obama's father was born in Mexico to a father who had 5 wives. by the way, the old testament speaks of more than one wife to one man. So the one man, one woman marriage is a myth.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
  9. starchamber

    Obama is more important to blacks than these black ministers or Jesus Christ. He is the first white President that looks like them.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:34 am |
  10. Wayne

    Black or white, without question the most hateful, mean spirited people i've ever come across in my life have all flown the Jesus flag.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • Jared

      AMEN!

      May 11, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • kurt

      Amen...Praise Jesus "ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free" from the wall inside the CIA's headquarters in Langley, VA ..... OBAMA 2012

      May 11, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • Maude

      Then you haven't known any true Christians.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • Wayne

      @Maude

      No true scotsman fallacy is all you have?

      May 11, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • nunya

      You obviously haven't been reading any of these posts then.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • AnAmerican

      So true – Fredrick Douglas wrote that the more religious the person enslaving people, the more demonic and evil they behaved.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  11. Jared

    Yes, does the black church hate rich white guys more than gays....I guess we will see.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:30 am |
  12. jobdespair

    "influence" vs doing what is right... hmm...

    May 11, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • ME II

      I don't get it.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:32 am |
  13. Gray

    Black churches, and blacks in general, will not abandon Obama. You have to understand why Obama was elected in the first place. It wasn't because of his experience, or plans to make American a better place to live. He was elected because he is black, a subject that media is afraid to address. If you look at the polls and count the number of older, first time voters that are from black or minority areas, the facts speak for themselves. Personally, I don't care if our President is a little green man from Mars as long as they have the experience for the toughest job in the world. Unfortunately, Obama is not qualified and is siding with which ever group or cause will get him the most votes. The minorities will come out of the woodwork and re-elect him despite the numbers showing that he has been one of the worst first term presidents in our history.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • Jared

      Obama is as white as he is black, and was raised primarily by a white family in Hawaii.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • JohnQuest

      I disagree, he was elected, because the alternative was McCain and Palin.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • Primewonk

      "Obama is not qualified..."

      Obama has 3 years experience as President. Romney has zero years experience.

      Obama was elected in 2008 because he was the better candidate, not because he was black.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • mgc6288

      Very True.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • mgc6288

      Obama was elected because blacks voted in record numbers. Actually, the polls showed McCain ahead up until the Lehman Brothers collapsed in September of 2008. Everyone blamed Bush even though no evidence supported their claims. People are just ignorant when it comes to politics.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:42 am |
    • J

      Duh. Clueless.

      But thanks for trying.

      Never heard of the guy til his '04 DNC speech. I turned to my dad and asked: "Who is this guy?? He needs to be president."

      Many people felt the same way; he spoke; we listened; we were impressed.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • QTMomma

      AMEN SAY IT AGAIN. It makes me so angry that people look at skin color and don't even care what the man is saying or doing. I am a black woman and it sickens me that this guy may actually get re-elected. A third party might be good if enough people would vote against the two "potential candidates". Yikes.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • heydude

      Agree!!! but have fun being beaten to death for saying it!!!! lol If there is one thing i DO know abnout America, we arent the brightest sometimes (the driver in front of me all the time), i mean come on....he still got elected :(....case in point.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
  14. palintwit

    If the toothbrush had been invented anywhere else but in the bible belt, it would have been called a teethbrush.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:26 am |
  15. Dipsh!ts

    LMAO...You think Blacks will vote for a white guy over a black guy? Seriously? Obama could come out saying he was an Atheist Drag Queen who is in a love affair with marilyn manson and they would still vote for the black guy. Their allegence goes 1. Black, 2. Black 3. Black 4. God 5. Family....

    May 11, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • Gray

      Well said Dip!

      May 11, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • kurt

      Sweets...GURL correction don't you know God is a BLACK JEWISH ARAB LESBIAN and not that fake blonde haired blue eyed person you always see...com'on !!! I AND LOVE HER OBAMA 2012

      May 11, 2012 at 10:38 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      If that's the case, why was Jesse Jackson never elected POTUS?

      May 11, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Thats a pretty bold statement to make without evidence. Black people by and large would NEVER have voted for Clarence Thomas for President nor Michael Steele.

      What bases do you make your claim?

      May 11, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • ww

      Where was all the outrage when voting for a white president was the only game in town? Oh, I forgot. It's okay for white folks to vote for their own color. Used to run into this at work. It was okay for an office with a white supervisor to hire all whites. But a black supervisor's hires were scrutinized if they hired too many people of color.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • Ken

      Pure ignorance. You clearly do not really know or have never really had dialogue with black people. Your opinions are apparently formed by your own ignorant stereotypes and right wing, race baiting talking heads and radio jockeys.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • LeRoy Tirebiter

      You got dat rite, Kenny.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • QTMomma

      JohnQuest: Black people who aren't republicans. Black people see black republicans as an "Uncle Tom" (sorry, it's true). They believe that conservative blacks are traitors. They are just speaking the "masta's words" and will eventually become enlightened with the "massa" turns against them because of their skin color. It makes me sick. Both parties are plantation owners. One (dems) have blacks as their slaves and the other (GOP) have christian conservatives as theirs. Both are wrong.

      When you feel the government is the only way to go, that's the problem. Government is good when it's limited in it's involvement in your life. It's bad when you want it to feed you, take care of you, etc permanently. Not all blacks feel this way and I know that. Not all democratic blacks feel this way but they can't break the party cycle because no one is reaching out to them. Republicans don't reach out to blacks and Dems don't reach out to Christian conservatives, on the whole.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
  16. comeatmebro

    I can only hope the black church doesnt show itself as hypocritical, mean-spirited and bigoted as the White evangilcals have proven themselves to be

    May 11, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • JohnQuest

      The Black church has always been that way, I think it is written in their Good book, to hate is to be closer to God.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • Dallas

      You've got to be kidding – Reverand Wright ring a bell? He is such a hater. I'd like to know what Obama has done for the blacks. Are they any better off with him as POTUS? Hell no, they're not.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:32 am |
  17. flip flop

    Obama's views never evolved, he just changed stances for more votes.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • Bo

      That is what I said yesreday only I just used more words to say so.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • Larry

      How can you tell when Obama is evolving?: His lips are moving.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:34 am |
  18. Teenage Atheist

    I'm such a fvcing hypocrite. Some day I might grow up, but I kinda doubt it.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • Dipsh!ts

      It is funny to see Atheist who barely got out of High School argue "Science" lol....funny

      May 11, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ Dipshît –

      It's even funnier to watch fundiots (fundamentalist îdiots) who purposefully choose to be ignorant about science, argue against science.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:44 am |
  19. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS–

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions are supposed to obey the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male

    May 11, 2012 at 10:12 am |
  20. JohnQuest

    I thought Christians were for Family Values, a committed couple in a stable relationship, owning property raising kids (if they have any) and paying taxes. If so why is this an issue.

    May 11, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • cosmochick

      because like the article mentions... they are also very good at sanctifying and expressing how they think others should and shouldn't live.

      it's the part i don't get about republicans / evangelists and the likes : they get upset when they are told that everyone should have healthcare or something silly like guidelines on what to feed your kids (can't you hear them? "don't tell me what to do, uh-uh mister, this here is a free country!!") ... but yet they have no problem dictating social issues : who you can marry, what you can or cannot do with your unborn child...

      i wish i could understand it: if u find it ok to judge what others should and shouldn't do in their lifestyle, then why is it not ok for others to recommend what you should eat and how you should take care of your health????

      May 11, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Agreed, they believe in Freedoms but only their own.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:05 am |
    • ME II

      As a non-Christian, I think a Christian might say that God comes first, then the family.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • FiveLIters

      Totally agree with you ,CosmoChick...one other thing being about when people say "well,I don't think they should get married,but...they can have civil unions,those are OK";if you said to those same straight people "well,YOU can't get married,but...howzabout a lil civil union for you?",they'd lose their minds!

      I personally am not much for marriage on either side,but if someone feels the need to express their commitment that way...go for it!

      May 11, 2012 at 10:28 am |
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