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May 11th, 2012
09:24 AM ET

Complexity in black church reactions to Obama’s gay marriage announcement

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - After the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. first gained wide public recognition in the mid-1950s, he made a special request to evangelist Billy Graham.

King was poised to join Graham on one of his barnstorming crusades, but he would do so only on one condition. He asked Graham to publicly speak out against segregation, a request Graham declined, says San Diego State University historian Edward Blum.

“What Graham feared was losing all of his influence,” Blum says. “For him, personal salvation was primary, justice secondary. For King, justice was primary.”

After President Obama this week became the first sitting president to endorse same-sex marriage, black clergy and churchgoers could be facing a question that's similar to the one that fractured King and Graham: Should my ideas about personal holiness trump my notion of justice?

The answer to that question is evolving – just as Obama’s views on gay marriage have been. Poll numbers and interviews with black clergy suggest it’s simplistic to say that the black church is anti-gay marriage and may desert Obama, as some pundits have suggested.

Equal rights for some people?

Some black pastors take the approach of Graham, who recently came out in support of a successful drive to amend North Carolina’s constitution to ban same-sex marriage and domestic partnerships.

For them, personal salvation is primary; homosexuality a sin, and so is gay marriage. Their enthusiasm for Obama will be diminished, Blum says.

“It will be, ‘I’m going to vote for him, but I’m not going to talk about him much,’ ” Blum says. “It’s the difference between voting for him, or voting for him and putting out a street sign and making sure your neighbor gets to the poll.”

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Others in the black church say their approach centers on justice.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, who was a part of King’s inner circle, says Obama had to support gay marriage because he believes in equal rights.

“You can’t believe in equal rights for some people and yet not believe in equal rights for everybody,” Lowery says. “That includes the right to marry the person of your choice. Equal rights for some people are an oxymoron.”

Lowery says Obama’s announcement was “more revolutionary” than the moment that President Lyndon Johnson went on national television during the heyday of the civil rights movement and called for racial equality, declaring, “We shall overcome.”

Obama’s “We Shall Overcome” moment will force Americans – black and white – to reexamine positions on same-sex marriage, Lowery says.

“A lot of white people didn’t believe in desegregation until the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional,” says Lowery, who presided over Obama’s inauguration. “And then they began to rethink it and basically came to the same conclusion.”

Pastor or president?

At least one black minister in North Carolina captures another neglected dimension to the debate. He opposes same-sex marriage but doesn’t like the energy Christians devote to opposing it.

“He’s the president of the Untied States, not the pastor of the United States,” says the Rev. Fred Robinson, who lives in Charlotte. “America is a democracy, not a theocracy. I’m not going to vote on one issue.”

Robinson says some Christians are better at being against something than for something. Christian divorce rates are just as high as those for secular marriages, he says.

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“Our witness is stronger if we actually show that we believe in marriage and lived in and honored it,” he says. “That would be a greater witness than running to the polls to enshrine discrimination in the state constitution.”

The Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African-American Ministers Leadership Council, says he opposes same-sex marriage, but he is more concerned about issues like health care, education and jobs.

He's interested to see how black pastors handle Obama’s announcement when they step onto the pulpit Sunday.

“I don’t see how you cannot talk about it,” he says. “I have to. You can say I’m opposed to it [same-sex marriage], but that doesn’t mean I’m against the president.”

McDonald says more black pastors are talking about same-sex marriage than ever before: “Three years ago, there was not even a conversation about this issue – there wasn’t even an entertainment of a conversation about this.”

Polls show that black opinions on same-sex marriage are changing.

According to a Pew Research Center poll conducted in April, 49% of black respondents described themselves as opposed to marriage between gays and lesbians, 14% fewer than in 2008. The percentage of African-Americans in favor of it increased from 26% in 2008 to 39% in 2012.

In 2008, Californians voted on Proposition 8, a measure that would make same-sex marriage illegal in the state, at the same time that they cast ballots for president.

CNN exit polling showed that 70% of California African-Americans supported Prop 8 but that the overwhelming majority - 94% - also backed President Obama.

Black pastors who preach in favor of same-sex marriage know they may pay a price if they take Obama’s position, says Bishop Carlton Pearson.

Pearson is a black minister who says he lost his church building and about 6,000 members when he began preaching that gays and lesbians were accepted by God.

“That’s the risk that people take,” he told CNN. “A lot of preachers actually don’t have a theological issue. It’s a business decision. They can’t afford to lose their parishioners and their parsonages and salaries.”

Pearson navigates the tension between the Bible’s call for holiness and justice this way:

“I take the Bible seriously, just not literally,” he says. “It’s more important what Jesus said about God than what the church says about Jesus.”

CNN staff writer Stephanie Siek contributed to this report.

- CNN Writer

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Christianity • Gay marriage • Politics

soundoff (2,207 Responses)
  1. loop

    Marriage in the eyes of God is between a man and a women. Now if they want a Civil union under the eyes of the government, that is a different issue. The fact is it doesn't matter what the POTUS does. He is half black, and to a black person that is good enough for them to vote for him. Shame really that there really is a reverse racism playing out here. This POTUS is a Socialist and will ruin this great country as we know it. All Politicians are liars regardless of Party. But business creates jobs and our POTUS is anti-business. So all of you blacks vote for him, and when the money runs out (oh yeah it already has), and there is nothing to be handed to you, you can think back to the good days when you had a job and made money to support your family. The POTUS is making you all slaves to government. Think long and hard about it.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Horus

      You ever viewed anything through "God's eyes"? No? Then don't pretend to know how "your" God views anything.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Mike

      Which half of him is black? His mind? His heart? Or his legs, which he uses to walk from one side to the other of any issue he encounters? Oh, no, wait, it must be his party affiliation that's black. Because we all know, ain't nobody from the 'hood never gonna vote for no homie that be conservative, yo.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • sam

      God's got no say in how laws are created/upheld in this country. Run along and find a better brand of foil for your tinhat.

      Also: there's no such thing as 'reverse' racism, you silly git. Racism is racism.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Ceitte

      Talk about a bigot. Maybe you should check your facts and you would see that the economic problems we're facing today were started by Bush and Obama has just been cleaning the mess up. Don't fool yourself.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • sam stone

      you have no authority to speak for god

      May 11, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Point 1 – Marriage is a fundamental civil right. It is a civil contract. Your god has no standing in our secular laws.

      Point 2 – As we saw this week in NC, like we've seen in other states, you ignorant fundiots went and made civil unions and domestic partnerships illegal too. This was on top of a law that already made it illegal for gays to marry. It made no sense. It's like taking a prisoner you've just murdered by lethal injection, and then hanging him to make really sure he stays dead.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
  2. Horus

    So basically it comes down to whether black America wants to support the same measures of equality for everyone that their former generation fought and died for to gain themselves not long ago. Seems like a no-brainer to me. You either believe in equality under the law, or you don't.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • MD

      Excellent point!

      May 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
  3. Michael

    When a democrat goes from one view to another, it's "evolved." When a republican changes views, he's a "Flip-flopper". It's funny!

    May 11, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Horus

      Michael – Obama fought to remove DADT. That shows he supports equality, even for "gays". Please provide a source for when Obama ever stated he was against equality under the law.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Steve in California

      When a Democrat, or Republican, who has for a long time, said his views were evolvoing or changing on a particular subject that would be evolving. When someone changes back and forth many views (immigration, abortion, GM bailout etc) that would be more of a "flip flopper" which is a term coined by the right to describe Kerry, but seems to fit McCain and now Romney a lot better. We all change over time and that's fine, but Romney is trying to sell himself to reluctant conservatives so he appears to be working overtime to achieve his bona fides

      May 11, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • FullVacuumRob

      @Horus – true, but is that to his point?

      To your point, though, what Dems mostly say they believe in these days is equality of outcome, not equality before the law. Equality of outcome makes everyone equally bad. Paraphrasing PJ O'Rourke, countries that follow this idea are always bad places to live. Most deep blue political cities in the US are too.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  4. Rick

    I kind of always suspected a guy like Billy Graham would be racist, now I know. Not that a Christian being a racist is much of a surprise. For people who profess to follow someone who promoted a religion of love, forgiveness and tolerance christians sure do love to hate.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • JM

      Wrong. Completely different issue.

      Billy Graham is not a racist. What does this have to do with racism? Watched one of his sermons a week or so ago from the 50s and he was preaching to the (mostly white) crowd then that if they harbored racism, they would have to answer to God.

      Billy Graham lives/preaches nothing but the Bible. God created marriage; therefore, for Billy Graham, it's clear: marriage is between a man and a woman.

      America is not a Christian nation (particularly at this point in time when so few people even believe in God anymore); however, Billy Graham is not going to vacillate on what he believes because he believes in God's Word.

      The man is standing on his beliefs. He doesn't hate gay people; he loves God's word.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Ceitte

      JM – Are you kidding me? "King was poised to join Graham on one of his barnstorming crusades, but he would do so only on one condition. He asked Graham to publicly speak out against segregation, a request Graham declined, says San Diego State University historian Edward Blum." Can we call this anything but racist? Just like a racist to stick up for another racist.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • JM

      Ah.

      The fact that he said that then does not mean that he doesn't regret it now. How many of us have altered our views on things as we have grown older?

      May 11, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Primewonk

      JM – so you think Graham regrets being a racist bigot? Shouldn't be too hard for him to say that, is it? But it's still OK for him to be a hômophobic bigot?

      Right. Got it.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • JM

      What the heck are you talking about? They quoted a story about Graham from the 60s. No one interviewed him yesterday. Again, as I said earlier: in a sermon from the 50s, he was very clear on God's stance on racism. As this story indicates, since his entire life's ministry is preaching the gospel of Jesus, in the 60s, he didn't want to preach on desegregation.

      Do you spend your life speaking out about every single injustice in the world? Darfur? Street kids in India? Why not? Because you are racist jerk?

      Double standards?

      Billy Graham preaches the gospel, which is that all people are sinners (all "sin" means is missing the mark; not being 'perfect') and that God loves us anyway (for whatever reason) and that all He wants us to do is accept that free gift of mercy. Because he is all about the Bible, he is all about the Bible, which indicates that God's idea of marriage is between a man and a woman. He's stating his belief.

      Your belief (as a citizen of a country that isn't Christian) is that marriage can be redefined. That's your belief.

      Are you a jerk because you don't support him? Or can that argument only go one way?

      May 11, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
  5. FullVacuumRob

    I wonder what his crazy old uncle/spiritual mentor Reverend Wright would have to say about this. The chickens are coming home to roost, perhaps?

    May 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • JM

      Speaking of crazy, anyone watch Fox News this week?

      May 11, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Mike

      No, no, you're forgetting Reverend Wright gets an automatic pass because he's anti-American, liberal (actually probably more of a socialist, but that's splitting hairs at this point), and, y'know... 'cause he's black.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Seriously Rob? You sure this is how you want to roll? Because we can certainly start quote bombing you with wacky nutter bullshît from the Mormons. Or if you prefer we can go back to the fundiot (fundamentalist îdiot) tea baggers preachers and quote bomb the hell out of you with their hate and intolerance.

      Your call Rob?

      May 11, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
  6. Olderbutwiser

    I guess the headline says it all. If you are a white preacher who will not accept gays, you are a bigot. If you are a black preacher, it is "complex".

    May 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Wade

      Yes if you are a black preacher you are a racist because you are siding with Obama instead of the bible because Obama is BLACK and you are BLACK.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Olderbutwiser

      My comment was aimed at the media's inconsistent reporting of the issue based on race, not any individual's personal theological position or struggle.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
  7. Wade

    Black Congressional. Black Panthers, NAACP, Holder, 90% plus voting for Obama . Blacks are racist pure and simple. Can you imagine a ALL WHITE SCHOOL?,A WHITE congressional caucus, a National Association for the advancement of WHITES? Or hell even WHITE AMERICAN?

    May 11, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Fernando

      @Wade...............apparently you don't know American history. You don't like to respond with coherent arguments so I'm going to assume you just post for shock value. Keep it up

      May 11, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
  8. Mike

    Hmm... so, let's see. Obama's not black enough... again? Seriously, the only two real reasons the so-called "black community" would be voting for him anyway is they're mostly all Democrats and so they're voting the party line - regardless of how against their own interests that is - and because Obama is black.

    What I'd have loved to have seen is if Herman Cain had filtered out to be the de-facto GOP choice. Then who would the black community pull the lever for? Betcha they'd still be voting for Obama anyhow.

    This is a completely fabricated bit of controversy.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
  9. get a life

    I can't believe he used his Christian faith as an excuse to support gay marriage. His Bible must be written with #2 pencil so he can erase the parts that don't agree with his agenda.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      oh please, so me a christian and i will show you someone who ignores parts of the bible that doesnt fit their agenda

      May 11, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • sam

      Just like every other 'person of faith' on the planet, you mean?

      May 11, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • get a life

      Like I said, #2 pencil. It's the most common Bible printed today.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Wade

      All liberals bibles teh ones that actually read one are written as they want not as the word says.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • JM

      Bush's must have been as well since he started a war in a country that didn't attack us.

      Thou shalt not murder?

      May 11, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • rick52

      Christians eat pork and lobster and cheeseburgers. Bible says you shouldn't do that.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
  10. thumper

    Funny that anyone who opposes the lib point of view is a biggot huh? I also find it funny that so many athiest spend so much time trying to discredit a book they swear is not true" the BIBLE" They know deep down that it is and they dispise it because it makes them feel bad for the wrong they do. with out Gods word the only moral compass is whatever makes me feel good, and in that case anything goes!!!!

    May 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      you dont need religion to have morality, you really dont, honestly.

      and yeah deep down we know the stories of magic and all powerful supreme beings filling gardens with forbidden trees is true, that must be it, lol.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Can you prove the buybull is true? We deny it because we have read it, not because we know deep down. Unlike you we are not incapable of thinking for ourselves. We do not need a book to base our morals off of. We know without that book that killing is wrong, that good health is preferred to bad health, that equal rights pertain to EVERYONE; that bigotry is more likely found within the christians/believers of that book than it is amongst non-believers. We do not require an unproven sky daddy to guide us. We are quite capable of living our lives for ourselves and as much as you may not agree with doing that, we are at least not wasting our lives on something that can't be proven with any form of evidence to exist. Your god tells you not to judge or he'll send you to hell...feel good about your judging now? Enjoy that fire (we know it doesn't exist but you think it does, so you enjoy it).

      May 11, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Px

      What's ur problem with gay marriage? I just married my half sister 4rm the same mom and we are happy! Why shouldn't gays be happier if marry will make them? I think u envy them becuz u want to marry one cuz they are cute n got celeb style with money, but sadly for u they can never love U. That's self inflicted pain, deal with it! P.S

      May 11, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • winstonsmith

      "Funny that anyone who opposes the lib point of view is a biggot huh?"

      Where did anyone ever say this? All I see is conservatives calling liberals bigots.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • fred

      TruthPrevails 🙂
      “Unlike you we are not incapable of thinking for ourselves.”
      =>what you fail to understand is the believers can see through faith what you cannot which means they actually have a much broader perspective than you do. You choose to blind yourself to the things of faith which limits your knowledge.

      “ We do not need a book to base our morals off of.”
      =>think about it, you did not wake up one morning with all your morals intact. As a matter of fact much of your moral base came from the Western World View which is based upon the existence of God as creator of all including moral code. Just the fact that you were born in the last 100 years means your ways were impacted by faith.

      “ We know without that book that killing is wrong,…etc”
      =>you cannot say that because your mind and the culture you live in is the result of tens of thousands of years of socio economic influence including the book.

      “ bigotry is more likely found within the christians/believers of that book”
      =>to what do you attribute your bigotry and hate of Christians?

      “Your god tells you not to judge or he'll send you to hell...feel good about your judging now?”
      =>no wrongful judgment of others is a sin but sin does not send you to hell. The act of judgment reveals the heart the one making the judgment and can be a warning signal if you are not looking at others through the eyes of Christ.

      “ Enjoy that fire (we know it doesn't exist but you think it does, so you enjoy it).”
      =>I doubt you actually believe you know more than Jesus or the prophets. Neither one of us can prove with any acceptable evidence what happens after death.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
  11. Wade

    0704American

    Over 70% of the people who voted for Obama n 2008 where NOT BLACK.

    What is your point? How many blacks did not vote for Obama . THEY ARE RACIST pure and simple.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • sam

      I don't know, Wade, you're not smart enough to find the goddamn 'reply' link. Maybe go find something else to do.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • CB

      How many blacks did not vote for Kerry, Clinton, Gore?

      May 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Wade

      CB : Again what is your point? No blacks were running when Kerry or Clinton were running. If kerry or Clinton were running today you thing the blacks would not vote for Obama?

      May 11, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
  12. heydude

    to: buttlicker

    Your right, he wants to loose votes so he can go home and relax.

    He gained votes, its called "pc" america, as long as its "pc", your doing good and everything is OK.....grrrrrrr

    to: Cedar Rapids

    yeah because he will gain faaaar more votes than he will lose right? it must have been for the votes, gaining that few percentage points whilst losing far more from the religious voters, perfect political sense.

    I "get" the religious voters bit.....but see my above response. Even when your looking at "religious" voters, MOST of them will NOT let this bother them when voting because he is doing the "PC" right thing to do. In todays america , in reguards to politics, if you do the "right/PC" thing you will win the hearts of PC America 🙁

    to: Fernando

    I swear I'm coming to CNN website more often to be entertained......your rationale is juvenile unless you know something everyone else doesn't know

    I know that Political Correctness will be the end of the USA. I l.ike calling it what it is, or what I am or whatever. I dont get offended very easily so......read above and go ahead, vote Obama in AGAIN :(...at least MY vote will cancel YOURS :), just ge rready for MORE deficit.

    Conclusion: No matter what happens between now and Dec., I dont think that Mitt has or deserves a chance. (come back Newt!!!) Obama has it on lock down, no matter WHAT the polls say right now (tied my ass).

    And when ObamaCare makes it, it will do what Soc Sec. did, and NASA 🙁 FAIL after a little time....WHY? Because any social "aspects of life" (health, retirement) that the government "takes over", FAILS. WHY? Because the money HAS to come from SOMEWHERE, and the DEMS dont get that. No matter what, the money comes from somewhere, and not the goverment because thats MY money and yours.

    have fun ppl....and please dont give him MORE time to screw the greatest coiuntry in the world.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Not enough

      Heydude, Spending money that we don't have goes both ways, how, can Mitt Romney increase the defense budget by 2.4 Trillion dollars without raising some from of income? Newsflash both parties have bankrupted America.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  13. ZombieNation

    i rather be playing black ops.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
  14. Mr. Hand

    Won't hurt him a bit. They vote with their skin color 90+ percent of the time. That is a fact.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • 0704American

      Over 70% of the people who voted for Obama n 2008 where NOT BLACK.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • ZombieNation

      so u would rather vote for Sara Palian?

      May 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • RealityChecker

      "Over 70% of the people who voted for Obama n 2008 where NOT BLACK."

      Since 90% of the people of the United States are not black, you just actually confirmed what the poster was stating but lack the IQ to realize it. Oops!!

      May 11, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • CB

      Check into the percentage of black voters that voted for Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Mondale. I believe those guys are white.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • 0704American

      RealityChecker: Run the numbers any way you want in your favor but the fact of the matter is that you have Mr. Hand up your butt along with your head.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • Not enough

      Al Gore got 90% of the black vote in 2000, Black People vote for the Democrat, that has been the case since 1932. But continue to believe what you want.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Mr. Hand

      RealityChecker – thanks, 0704American is not very bright. ZombieNation, no I wouldn't, just pointing out a fact. Look at the history of black politicians (when not running against another black); serious transgressions are always forgiven in the voting booth.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Mr. Hand

      Man you people are dense. CB – there was not a black oppenent in those races!! Geez.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • anon

      It really will be a tough decision for them. But I believe, God will be watching and their vote is what comes from their hearts, whether it be for God's holiness or for the flesh. Each one will be held accountable especially since they are churched and know the truth of Gods word.
      Their option is : holiness or the flesh.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Not enough

      Mr. Hand, what you are saying is statistically insignificant. Black people vote democratic. If you really wanted to go there, then we would need to have an election with a black republican versus a white democrat. Have their been any statistics showing black people voting for a conservative right wing black republican over a liberal white democrat?

      May 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
  15. 0704American

    Blacks, Whites, Yellow and Tan will all support President Obama and help him get re-elected in 2012.
    Why you ask ? Because he is better than any alternative the GOP has to offer.
    The party of NO will NOT get elected come this November.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
  16. adamthefirst

    will blacks allow gays to get married in there church? cause thats whats next.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • ZombieNation

      stop Obama now, stop gays from infiltrating our churches!

      May 11, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
  17. Jd

    Jobs and Education are 10X more importatent. As a Christan i belive that it is NO ONES RIGHT TO JUDGE SOMEONE ELSES LIFE. Seperation of Church an State... Some one may or may not go to Heaven or Hell for THEIR choices that is not for you or any one else to decide it is no one place to enforce laws an make their belifes more surpreme then anothers. The bible is full of controdictions. It tells you not to judge some one but yet gives you the tools to do so so it is your free will to belive an do what you feel is right in your own way the only person any one should answer to about their choices is god himself. Get over your selves an worry about your own life an judgments that will come to you one day when your standing with St. Peter

    May 11, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • Wade

      Marriage was never the realm of the state only the church. Civil Unions are the realm of the GOV and not the church.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • BRC

      @Wade,
      The concept, act, and name of marriage predates and has always existed outside of your church as well as inside it. Religion doesn't own it, that's just not how it works.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • fred

      BRC
      That can only be said if you claim the Bible to be false. Marriage goes back to the first family after they were kicked out of the garden.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • BRC

      @fred,
      There isn't one shred of evidence supporting the Adam and Eve story, so yes, I am comfortable saying it is false, and not the first marriage (not to mention the fact that, they were never formally married in the story; at most they would have had a common law marriage, which NC just outlawed).

      May 11, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • fred

      BRC
      The Bible may be false in your estimation but, that does not change the content. Jesus confirmed that “In the beginning God made them male and female for this reason man will leave his father……..and be united to his wife. Genesis 3:20 Adam named his wife Eve. The sons of Adam took wives etc.
      We are not given a date for the creation of this first man and women in the Bible but, the story is based upon them being the first humans made in the image of God.
      This is why those who believe the Bible is the Word of God can claim marriage is an inst-itution established by God for man.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • just sayin

      This is why those who believe the Bible is the Word of God can claim marriage is an inst-itution established by God for man.
      .
      Personal religious opinions have no bearing on issues/rights that pertain to others.

      May 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • just sayin

      The bible has no place or bearing in our legal matters and rights. Like I said before, the next time we are fighting for our freedom will be against Christians

      May 11, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • fred

      Just sayin
      No, the last time you will be fighting for your freedom is when there are no Christians are left to pray for you. Without the belief in God (real or imagined) Christianity would have died under attack by Muslims and Atheist communists (Mao, Stalin etc). Where exactly would leave you, take your pick?

      May 11, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • just sayin

      When it gets to the point of fighting the Christians for freedom,,,,they won't look any different than the Muslims. It is like Christianity is reversing back to the dark ages in America. Don't worry,,,,,we will be dead and gone before it gets to that point. Not sweating the delusional people right now.

      May 11, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  18. Wade

    Fernando

    @Wade...........please show me statistics to back that up that we have suffered more under him than ANY other President.

    Unemployment for blacks is much higher than any other group. The Drop in middle class black has been dramatic under Obama. Next are the Latino's who have suffered almost as much as the blacks and then WOMAN yes that is right woman have suffered far worse in the job market under Obama. In fact the only people who have been better off with Obama are the RICH from Wall Street and banks. Now apologize or admit you never were interested in the truth.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • sam

      So this has all been Obama's fault, the whole mess? Uh huh. You still haven't presented any statistics, nothing to back you up. You're a loudmouthed idiot and an attention whore.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Wade

      Sam are you to lazy to Google. I mean it is not a secrete or news. The data has been published many times.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • sam

      'Secrete'? Are you too lazy to spell? Listen, you have nothing to back you up, troll. Go back to your cave.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • lisa2010

      I don't know what planet you're coming from, but because of his policies on woman's health i was able to get a mammogram that in turn had found cancer stage three and able to take the treatments and can proudly say that i'm a cancer survivor... if those policies for woman's health is taken away, more families are going to lose their mother, sister, auntie and grandmother.. so if i were you JUST SHUT UP!!!! You don't know anything...

      May 11, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
  19. Angela

    The reason Obama is backing gay marriage is the funds. Gay people are rich so they will sponsor him. so every little vote counts. it is all bout the votes. Obama has achieved nothing on this first term, but we have no options.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • CB

      Gay people are rich? Can you back that up with some facts.? There ARE gay people in this world other than Ellen Degeneres and Elton John.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • lisa2010

      SO I GUESS YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE... GO PACK AND HEAD FOR CHINA!!!!

      May 11, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  20. Reality

    "The Black Church" seems like a stupid thing to say that only perpetuates racism.

    May 11, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • guod

      Amen! Because in God's eyes there is only one race – the human race!!!!

      May 11, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
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