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May 11th, 2012
09:24 AM ET

Complexity in black church reactions to Obama’s gay marriage announcement

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - After the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. first gained wide public recognition in the mid-1950s, he made a special request to evangelist Billy Graham.

King was poised to join Graham on one of his barnstorming crusades, but he would do so only on one condition. He asked Graham to publicly speak out against segregation, a request Graham declined, says San Diego State University historian Edward Blum.

“What Graham feared was losing all of his influence,” Blum says. “For him, personal salvation was primary, justice secondary. For King, justice was primary.”

After President Obama this week became the first sitting president to endorse same-sex marriage, black clergy and churchgoers could be facing a question that's similar to the one that fractured King and Graham: Should my ideas about personal holiness trump my notion of justice?

The answer to that question is evolving – just as Obama’s views on gay marriage have been. Poll numbers and interviews with black clergy suggest it’s simplistic to say that the black church is anti-gay marriage and may desert Obama, as some pundits have suggested.

Equal rights for some people?

Some black pastors take the approach of Graham, who recently came out in support of a successful drive to amend North Carolina’s constitution to ban same-sex marriage and domestic partnerships.

For them, personal salvation is primary; homosexuality a sin, and so is gay marriage. Their enthusiasm for Obama will be diminished, Blum says.

“It will be, ‘I’m going to vote for him, but I’m not going to talk about him much,’ ” Blum says. “It’s the difference between voting for him, or voting for him and putting out a street sign and making sure your neighbor gets to the poll.”

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Others in the black church say their approach centers on justice.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, who was a part of King’s inner circle, says Obama had to support gay marriage because he believes in equal rights.

“You can’t believe in equal rights for some people and yet not believe in equal rights for everybody,” Lowery says. “That includes the right to marry the person of your choice. Equal rights for some people are an oxymoron.”

Lowery says Obama’s announcement was “more revolutionary” than the moment that President Lyndon Johnson went on national television during the heyday of the civil rights movement and called for racial equality, declaring, “We shall overcome.”

Obama’s “We Shall Overcome” moment will force Americans – black and white – to reexamine positions on same-sex marriage, Lowery says.

“A lot of white people didn’t believe in desegregation until the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional,” says Lowery, who presided over Obama’s inauguration. “And then they began to rethink it and basically came to the same conclusion.”

Pastor or president?

At least one black minister in North Carolina captures another neglected dimension to the debate. He opposes same-sex marriage but doesn’t like the energy Christians devote to opposing it.

“He’s the president of the Untied States, not the pastor of the United States,” says the Rev. Fred Robinson, who lives in Charlotte. “America is a democracy, not a theocracy. I’m not going to vote on one issue.”

Robinson says some Christians are better at being against something than for something. Christian divorce rates are just as high as those for secular marriages, he says.

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“Our witness is stronger if we actually show that we believe in marriage and lived in and honored it,” he says. “That would be a greater witness than running to the polls to enshrine discrimination in the state constitution.”

The Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African-American Ministers Leadership Council, says he opposes same-sex marriage, but he is more concerned about issues like health care, education and jobs.

He's interested to see how black pastors handle Obama’s announcement when they step onto the pulpit Sunday.

“I don’t see how you cannot talk about it,” he says. “I have to. You can say I’m opposed to it [same-sex marriage], but that doesn’t mean I’m against the president.”

McDonald says more black pastors are talking about same-sex marriage than ever before: “Three years ago, there was not even a conversation about this issue – there wasn’t even an entertainment of a conversation about this.”

Polls show that black opinions on same-sex marriage are changing.

According to a Pew Research Center poll conducted in April, 49% of black respondents described themselves as opposed to marriage between gays and lesbians, 14% fewer than in 2008. The percentage of African-Americans in favor of it increased from 26% in 2008 to 39% in 2012.

In 2008, Californians voted on Proposition 8, a measure that would make same-sex marriage illegal in the state, at the same time that they cast ballots for president.

CNN exit polling showed that 70% of California African-Americans supported Prop 8 but that the overwhelming majority - 94% - also backed President Obama.

Black pastors who preach in favor of same-sex marriage know they may pay a price if they take Obama’s position, says Bishop Carlton Pearson.

Pearson is a black minister who says he lost his church building and about 6,000 members when he began preaching that gays and lesbians were accepted by God.

“That’s the risk that people take,” he told CNN. “A lot of preachers actually don’t have a theological issue. It’s a business decision. They can’t afford to lose their parishioners and their parsonages and salaries.”

Pearson navigates the tension between the Bible’s call for holiness and justice this way:

“I take the Bible seriously, just not literally,” he says. “It’s more important what Jesus said about God than what the church says about Jesus.”

CNN staff writer Stephanie Siek contributed to this report.

- CNN Writer

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Christianity • Gay marriage • Politics

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  1. Bringing In More Of It

    Well while y'all keep arguing back and forth on the Gay issue, our Suave and Extremely Popular President Obama is really Raking In the Dough for his reelection!! washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/mitt-romney-raised-126-million-in-march/2012/04/20/gIQAmNU5VT_blog.html Just goes to show how much he is truly Appreciated and today, he is bringing in even MORE cash! Isn't that just Great!! Obama/Biden 2012!!

    May 11, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So?

      May 11, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      March figures don't have a damn thing to do with May assertions!

      May 11, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
  2. Liz the First

    I would hope black churches would embrace gay marriage. i hate seeing one persecuted minority turning around and persecuting another minority. being gay isn't any more a choice than being black is and no more a sin. it's just the way some people are and there is no reason on earth or in heaven to discriminate against either. this is a basic human rights issue. i love how the rethugs are always spouting off about freeom and liberty, until someone does something they don't like, like exercising your right to choose or marrying the person you love even if their plumbing happens to match yoursl. they don't even seem to understand how hypocritical that is.

    May 11, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Brava.

      Too bad most of your points will fly well overhead of the average rethug.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Liz –
      Well done. Julian Bond has recently picked up the gauntlet of gay rights which are, as he eloquently points out, civil rights. Those who have benefited in the past from civil rights activism owe a debt to those currently in the fight.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      Should we as a commonwealth here in the USA allow sodomy for everyone to be subdiffused while yet in their exploratory realms when young?

      May 11, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
  3. n8362

    Imposing your religious superstition on others is immoral.

    You do not believe in religion because you honestly think it is true, you believe in it because you fear mortality or are seeking meaning in your life. It does not take a genius to figure out all religion is man made, so for humanity's sake, please stop lying to yourself.

    Deluding yourself in religion does not change reality. Lying to yourself is probably the worst possible way to try to find meaning.

    May 11, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ n8362

      What is it then that people should believe in if not God? With whom shall the people affiliate themselves with? The godless?

      May 11, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why do 'the people' need to believe in anything that is not real?

      May 11, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • n8362

      Why do people feel a need to believe in ancient mythology?

      Why not affiliate yourself with humanity? Brotherly love, making the world a better place.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nice try and yet you missed the boat completely! Carry on though, carry on believing what you want to believe in and upon!

      May 11, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ n8362

      You like Tom did both miss my view and perception that people need more than humnity to believe in! The world has more evil and wickedness in the world than peace! Childhood slaves of Indonesian countries! People starving in Southern Africa! Wars and rumors of more war! You and Tom seem to skip over such realities and think only about your base roots fundamentalism! Why?

      Like I said earlier, Why is it that "fearing" people need more than their social construct as to their being but God in their tormented Life? What is there but a God for one to believe in when Life leaves their dying bodies? I find comfort in my belief in a God who is above the miniscule doings of mankinds' bitter pleasings! And you 2?

      May 11, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
  4. Whereraceisamyth

    Free black Africans built their own boats and sailed to America to escape slavery.18 million Africans were taken into slavery when race based slavery was invented. Only 6% came to America by the British, not by Americans.
    Indeed, one thing people need to know is that there is a higher percentage of people in this country who own private jets now than people who owned slaves back in the day. Also, people seem to think African slavery stopped w/ Lincoln when it still continues today. The pattern of the slave traders from Holland, Spain, and England was to foment war between local tribes and have the winning tribe sell the losing tribe into slavery. Many of these families who engaged in such activity back then are still around and do it today. Those are the white people blacks should hate. But few people of any color seem to know their names. And the reason it doesn’t get taught in school is because it still is happening and black people don’t want to admit that fellow black people sold them into slavery. To deal with an issue as big as African slavery, you have to be open confronting the entire problem. Nobody seems to want to talk about it except blaming white people who didn’t even own slaves or aren’t descended from a slave owner.

    Lincoln just signed the paper. 600000 americans died to free the slaves. Most were white euros. Theres good and bad in all peoples histories. Those cartel familes played a huge role in destroying the American Indians also.

    May 11, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • gay guy

      U are a BAD PERSON, BLACK PEOPLE ARE STRONG KIND AND BEAUTIFUL, THE NATION THAT ENSLAVES ANOTHER PEOPLE SHALL PAY A VERY HIGH PRICE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, BLACK AMERICANS MAKE AMERICA BEAUTIFUL, GOD BLESS THEM ALL AND I AM SORRY U WERE SO ABUSED BY MY RACE, GOD BLESS U AND KEEP SMILING, U ARE OUR NATION

      May 11, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
  5. No Preacher

    Government needs to worry about the country and not the bedroom!

    May 11, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      No Preacher

      Sensualisms of any nation's social functions is mainly due to just what in general terminologies?

      May 11, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
  6. So Tired

    So it's obvious Obama WON elec b/c every black american agreed to actually voted that time JUST BECAUSE there was a black canidate.

    Now this time Obama will LOOSE the elec b/c all of the religous voters will ban together and vote for opposing canidate JUST BECAUSE he is is for gay marriage?

    It's so funny how black americans went through so much to obtain civil rights but gays should not have civil rights because they are not human like blacks, christians etc?

    May 11, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • GodPot

      Obama will win the election because what will be on peoples minds in November will be the televised debates where Obama will look and sound like an intelligent human while Romney will sound like a giggling pathetic pundit trying to take credit for everyone else's achievements because he has none of his own. Will Romney talk about his real record? I doubt it. Never will he mention the jobs he killed with Bain Capital while fattening his already fattened wallet, or the mandatory hair cuts he used to give in High School to the "gay" kids. He will be on his heels looking flushed and sweaty as he tried to attack the Presidents record of steady job growth and recovery after one of the worst financial collapses in our history brought about by the deregulation of the banking system which Romney says he will not only continue but continue to deregulate putting us, our grandparents and our children at even greater risk and increased uncertainty. "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." GWB

      May 11, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • gay guy

      Obama wont win, SORRY but hes lost 75% of the white vote AND WHITES MAKE UP 78% of voters ON ELECTION DAY, MATH WISE IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO WIN, WATCH AND SEE LIBERAL

      May 11, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • GodPot

      It's a good thing our election will be decided by people who can actually do math.

      RCP Average 4/27 – 5/10 - 46.7 45.4 – Obama +1.3

      Rasmussen Tracking 5/8 – 5/10 1500 LV 43 50 Romney +7
      Gallup Tracking 5/4 – 5/10 2200 RV 45 46 Romney +1
      Associated Press/GfK 5/3 – 5/7 871 RV 50 42 Obama +8
      Reuters/Ipsos 5/3 – 5/7 959 RV 49 42 Obama +7
      Politico/GWU/Battleground 4/29 – 5/3 1000 LV 47 48 Romney +1
      IBD/CSM/TIPP 4/27 – 5/4 856 RV 46 43 Obama +3
      Democracy Corps (D) 4/28 – 5/1 1000 LV 47 47 Tie
      realclearpolitics.com

      May 11, 2012 at 9:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Point, set, and match to GodPot.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  7. Just me

    Do polygamists have rights? Will they be allowed to love as they wish? Will marriage rights be extended to gay/lesbian couples and not to them? sauce for the goose......

    May 11, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Gee, that would be irrelevant. Is anyone discussing polygamy? Bestiality? Other than you, you freak?

      May 11, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • GodPot

      If you are unable to see the difference between giving people the right to choose a partner who you give authority to make decisions for you when you can't such as medical or posthumous decisions and trying to figure out who's authority to follow in a marriage of three or more then it is just you. This is comparing apples to orangutans.

      May 11, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Just me

      One can't forget the "Bi-sensualists" now can we? More sauce for the dander gosslings!

      May 11, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • Just me

      Tom, Tom: Aw, and you know me so well. I thought we were talking about rights! No? Did I call names?

      Decisions, of the nature suggested, would defualt to the senior most spouse, unless legal designation of another is requested. And why should that be used to uphold a ban? Seems a pretty flismy excuse to deny a body's rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

      May 11, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
    • gay guy

      Mr.pot, we have the right to choose a partner, I did 20 years ago, WE DONT NEED GAY MARRIAGE IT IS A TERRIBLE SIN IN FRONT OF GOD AND KIDS, GOT IT? This aint Iran we are'nt being thrown in jail for being gay, leave well enough alone, NO GAY MARRIAGE

      May 11, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When you are sober, JM. do get back to me. Your posts when you're drunk are unintelligible.

      May 11, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, and stop using "gayguy" as your sock puppet, idiot.

      May 11, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • gay guy

      Thats because you are an idiot with a liberals closed racist mind, NO GAY MARRIAGE

      May 11, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nah. It's because I see right through you, you little swine.

      May 11, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why is it you can't manage to articulate your reasons for opposing gay marriage, honey? Is it your difficulty with writing complete sentences or you inability to form a cogent argument?

      Or is it your brain damage?

      May 11, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • gay guy

      Tommy boys son, jm is my husband, his name is james morgan, want to talk to me in person, I am gay and I am sober, but I put AMERICA AHEAD OF BEING GAY ANY DAY, GOD GAVE US THIS NATION AND I BE DAMNED IF U AND RADICAL LIBERALS ARE GOING TO DESTROY IT

      May 11, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • GodPot

      @gay guy – So if James passes away and leaves his house to you in his will, what tax base will you now have to pay? How much paperwork will you have to do in order to make all his funeral arrangements instead of those decisions being made by his next of kin? Do you have any children? If not, why not? Do you not want to help raise one of the many children in the adoption and foster care programs? Or were you legally not able to in your State? Did you have a faux ceremony? If not, why not? Did James have a pension? Will you get any of it after he passes away? A wife would. Social security benefits as a spouse?

      May 11, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @gay guy – "GOD GAVE US THIS NATION..."
      If you really are gay, which seems unlikely, are you aware that the same god that "gave us this nation" (which leads me to conclude you are Christian) also condemns you to an eternity of suffering after you die? Cognitive dissonance much?

      May 11, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Marian

      Polygamy is for perverted men who just want to have a lot of women. It'll never be law because women will never support it. It would take us back in time to a point where women were thought of as property and not people.

      I'm all for gay marriage because it's about love. Polygamy is about the objectification of women. It'll never be law in this country.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
  8. judy

    Everyone should be equal. Church and state should be seperate. Government should stay out of peoples bed rooms and womens viginas. Bold move by a bold president. If thats what keeps you from voting for him then you are overlooking all the good he has done. I think it is very hipocritical that all the christians are voting for a cult guy and not the christian. I guess your religion only matters some of the time..Obama 2012

    May 11, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • Hitchens

      Criminals forfeit the "right" to be equal.

      May 11, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Are gays criminal? Do cite the laws that make them so, boob.

      May 11, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • gay guy

      Judy u straights should STAY THE HELL OUT OF OUR GAY BEDROOMS, ALOT, ALOT, ALOT OF US DONT WANT GAY MARRIAGE, GOT IT GIRL, A REAL GAY MAN VOTING MITT

      May 11, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And why don't you "want gay marriage" you little toad?

      May 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • I call BS

      "Alot" is not a word, you brain-dead dolt.

      May 11, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • KandyKane

      Gayguy, you're nothing but a gay-hater. Shut up and go away.

      May 11, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • gay guy

      Why is it when people like me have an opposing viewpoint u liberal turds CALL US SUCH BAD THINGS? Then we have to call yall turds, GAY PRIDE GAY POWER, NO GAY MARRIAGE

      May 11, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why are you opposed to gay marriage?

      May 11, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • Liz the First

      Sooo, Gay Guy, because you don't want gay marriage, every gay person in the country should be barred from marrying? yours is the only opinion that counts here??? gee, i missed it. when were you crowned King of the Gays??? i have a lot of gay friends and they never mentioned this. and someone who supports a party that hates him and his whole community, not to mention everyone else except straight, white Christian men, needs to get his head examined. it is't we liberals who are destroying the country, it's the sick, hate-filled rethugs who brought us to the brink of another Great Depression with their greed and total disregard for anyone but themselves.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      liz, gayguy is no more 'gay' than I am. It's a troll, and a h0m0phobic one, at that. In addition to being an idiot and an ignoramus of enormous proportions.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • gay guy

      KING HUSSEIN IS RIPPING AMERICA APART AND U LIBERALS REALLY ARE BRAINWASHED CULT LIKE FOOLS

      May 11, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Let us all know when you find the cap key, the porcelain bus, and sobriety, idjit.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • I call BS

      You must find it difficult to get dates you don't need to inflate.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Crom

      I think "gay guy" is Wade, our Stormfront troll for today. You people feed these trolls like you just got internet access.
      There's a reason why you are not supposed to feed the trolls.
      But if you cannot let their words go unchallenged or unanswered, then might I suggest a little perspective adjustment is in order? Or maybe an attltude adjustment. Something.
      After all, this is only one of thousands of Belief Blog threads. In a day or two we will all have moved on and all that energy you blew out your asses will be forgotten, dead bones for the weaker trolls to pick over long after everyone else has moved on.
      Or have fun with it. Whatever. If you actually get angry, though, then you have missed one of the prime lessons of the internet.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
  9. WOT

    The Black church is not what it use to be, have you been to a Sunday morning service lately! If you do not go to a Black Church then you have nothing to say. God, Jesus said go and sin no more! How God make a person is his business, not the general publics. Look at the number of divorces, they are unbelief,: the cheater, the haters of people of all races. God said let the wheat and tarf grow together and he will seperate when he comes. So just love all people of the world!

    May 11, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
  10. michael

    Slavery is good. If you are not convinced, watch this...
    http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhee

    May 11, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • michael

      Slavery is good. If you are not convinced, watch this...
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR_tXpVMDQU

      May 11, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
  11. exCONservtv

    I'm not voting for the white devil

    May 11, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • gay guy

      And im not voting for the white african american DEVIL

      May 11, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You aren't even old enough to vote, moron.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • gay guy

      Im 50 NOW GO BACK IN UR CLOSET, AND PRACTICE VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY, AND HALF A PERSON THREEFIFTHS, U GO IN UR CLOSET AND STAY, GAY MARRIAGE IS A TERRIBLE SIN TOO PUT ON AMERICA, STRAIGHTS WAKE UP BEFORE U REALLY MAKE GOD ALMIGHTY MAD, IM GAY AND PROUD BUT I DONT STICK IT IN CHILDRENS FACES , NEXT U LIBERAL RADICALS WILL FIND A WAY TOO GIVE US GAY PEOPLE ABORTIONS, WE DONT NEED OR WANT UR HELP, U HAVE KILLED 53 MILLION BABIES THROUGH ABORTION ( 26 million ) were BLACK KIDS, BLACK AMERICANS RUN RUN RUN FROM WHITE LIBERALS AND DONT VOTE FOR GAY MARRIAGE, ITS JESUS CHRIST OR OBAMA BLACK AMERICA, DONT LET HIM DESTROY YOUR AMERICA, PLEASE

      May 11, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You might be 50 chronologically (look it up, doofus), but you're 10 mentally and emotionally. Grow up, you bozo. And figure out how to turn off the caps. You look even dumber in BIG LETTERS, YOU MORON.

      May 11, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
  12. 3 Fifths

    When can I be treated as a whole person?

    May 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How are you being treated as less than a whole person?

      May 11, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • gay guy

      Never! And dont vote, half ur decision will be wrong, ie you'll vote for OBAMA CAUSE HES HALF SOMETHING

      May 11, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • 3 Fifths

      Well i'm still denied the right to get married to the person i'm in love with. Seem's like i'm being treated as less than other humans.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Thanks, three fifths, I agree with you. You should be considered equal in ever single way.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • gay guy

      Three fifths or one half, im gay brother and I dont need to marry my ole man,to be whole, go drink a glass of milk and you'll be WHOLE

      May 11, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So because you don't give a da#n whether your union is legally recognized, everyone else should be denied that right?

      May 11, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • gay guy

      No tom, gay marriage is bad in front of children, me and my husband have a HOLY UNION FROM OUR GAY CHURCH, WE DONT NEED TO CRAM IT IN THE FACES OF CHILDREN, IT IS WRONG PEOPLE, BEING BORN GAY IS NORMAL, ALLOWING US TO MARRY IS TERRIBLE AND GOD ALMIGHTY WILL DESTROY AMERICA, U STRAIGHT LIBERALS ARE BRAIN WASHED FOOLS

      May 11, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, then, moron, you should be able to explain EXACTLY how "gay marriage is bad in front of children". Cite any study that proves your ridiculous, asinine claim. Go ahead. I'll wait with bated breath, you troll.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
  13. mcskadittle

    Oh my god, this is it i have to get a divorce! some people i don't even know can get married! my marriage is ruined!

    May 11, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
  14. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    May 11, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • mandarax

      It causes people who should know a thing or two about oppression to turn right around and feel justified in oppressing others.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • Prayer Test

      Prayer does do one thing, it's a fairly good tool for determining IQ, the more you pray, the lower your IQ is likely to be. It's the difference between studying hard for an exam and knowing the material so you have confidence in your scores and just hoping you did well because you were just too confused to really absorb anything you read.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • gay guy

      Prayer makes people who have had surgery or who are sick WELL, its a science FACT, U KNOW U LIBERALS BELIEVE in science over God, SO THINK ABOUT IT, OBAMA IS BAD

      May 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Wow. That was really deep,

      As a mud puddle.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • gay guy

      Tom, BACK IN CLOSET MARY, OBAMA IS USEING US GAY PEOPLE FOR VOTES, WHAT A SHAME

      May 11, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're an idiot, honey. You can't even manage to spell simple two-syllable words a third grader would know. Get a clue, dingus.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
  15. qularknoo

    all churches need to think that what God teaches in the Old and New Testaments are primary ... and that the traditions (old or new) of men should agree with God's Word or be done away with ...

    May 11, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • mandarax

      ...or we could just finally move on from pre-Enlightenment mythology.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • GodPot

      "what God teaches in the Old and New Testaments are primary ... "

      I think you meant "primitive"...

      And if you did mean "primary" then why does the law against taking your disobedient child to the city gates and stoning them to death seem to take precedence over your biblical law to do just that?

      May 11, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
  16. Snow

    Everyone knows what the right thing is, but simply lack the courage/will to follow it even if it means opposing the powers be. Billy graham showed his one-sidedness and unwillingness to give up power to do the right thing time and again. I don;t know why people still give weight to his voice.

    Here is a simple comparison:
    In 1960s:
    Personal salvation: follow the word of bible literally that clearly shows slavery and segregation is right.
    Justice: Equal rights for all.

    we know which is the right thing to do. Thankfully, right one over might.

    Now,
    Personal salvation: follow the word of bible literally that clearly shows hom.os.exuality is wrong and should not be allowed to marry.
    Justice: Equal rights for all.

    Even now, we know what is the right thing to do. But the question is will we have the courage to do the right thing again?

    May 11, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • gay guy

      I guess BILLY GRAHAM HAD TO EVOLVE ON SEGRAGATION, LIKE OBAMA DID ON GAY MARRIAGE ( a horrible sin ) YES I AM GAY, BUT SIN IS SIN BABY, VOTE OBAMA OUT BEFORE HE DESTROIES AMERICA, PLEASE, GAY MARRIAGE IS A TERRIBLE THING TO DO IN FRONT OF UR CHILDREN, YES IM FOR REAL

      May 11, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • GodPot

      "YES IM FOR REAL"

      He really really is a troll.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • mcskadittle

      The President knew it was the right thing to do, everyone deserves the same treatment under the law

      May 11, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
  17. Terrell Strayhorn

    Hey was catching up on news and came across this article, thought you might be interested if you haven't already seen it.

    May 11, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
  18. Justice Curious...

    How does this effect any straight marriages again? As a lawyer I know that to claim damages against someone else you need to actually be damaged if yuo expect to win. I will not take cases where there is no injury to the claimant. I see zero evidence for any injury to anyone elses marriage so how can anyone be against this? I don't like the thought of two 70 year olds getting married and having s e x, ewww, gross, but I certainly can't see how it would effect my marriage in the slightest.

    May 11, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Snow

      Don'tcha know.. its gonna encourage sinful behavior and lead man to go astray and will lead to all sorts of perverse behaviors and beastality and .. and.. the children.. think about the children.. how will their future be.. 🙂

      see that sums up all the arguments believers made about why gay marriage is wrong.. oh ya, and the biggest of all, its written in the book out of which they choose to ignore 75% of other things, but wish to cling on to this one line.

      Being a lawyer and all, can you argue that impeccable logic? 🙂

      May 11, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Justice Curious

      "can you argue that impeccable logic?" No, I cannot since that would mean redefining the word logic. I still have yet to have a single Christian I know answer that question with anything other than the "America's going to hell in a handbasket" defense.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
  19. Surviving the World

    If it's harder and scarier for you to explain to your children why some people love each other than for you to explain to your children why some people should be treated less than equal, you're doing it wrong.

    May 11, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
  20. Kathryn Harlan

    My question to these black American religious clerks is would you still support the President if he was WHITE over gay marriages? I seriously doubt it!

    May 11, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Clerks"? Did you mean "clerics", you dumb azz?

      May 11, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
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