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May 11th, 2012
09:24 AM ET

Complexity in black church reactions to Obama’s gay marriage announcement

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - After the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. first gained wide public recognition in the mid-1950s, he made a special request to evangelist Billy Graham.

King was poised to join Graham on one of his barnstorming crusades, but he would do so only on one condition. He asked Graham to publicly speak out against segregation, a request Graham declined, says San Diego State University historian Edward Blum.

“What Graham feared was losing all of his influence,” Blum says. “For him, personal salvation was primary, justice secondary. For King, justice was primary.”

After President Obama this week became the first sitting president to endorse same-sex marriage, black clergy and churchgoers could be facing a question that's similar to the one that fractured King and Graham: Should my ideas about personal holiness trump my notion of justice?

The answer to that question is evolving – just as Obama’s views on gay marriage have been. Poll numbers and interviews with black clergy suggest it’s simplistic to say that the black church is anti-gay marriage and may desert Obama, as some pundits have suggested.

Equal rights for some people?

Some black pastors take the approach of Graham, who recently came out in support of a successful drive to amend North Carolina’s constitution to ban same-sex marriage and domestic partnerships.

For them, personal salvation is primary; homosexuality a sin, and so is gay marriage. Their enthusiasm for Obama will be diminished, Blum says.

“It will be, ‘I’m going to vote for him, but I’m not going to talk about him much,’ ” Blum says. “It’s the difference between voting for him, or voting for him and putting out a street sign and making sure your neighbor gets to the poll.”

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Others in the black church say their approach centers on justice.

The Rev. Joseph Lowery, who was a part of King’s inner circle, says Obama had to support gay marriage because he believes in equal rights.

“You can’t believe in equal rights for some people and yet not believe in equal rights for everybody,” Lowery says. “That includes the right to marry the person of your choice. Equal rights for some people are an oxymoron.”

Lowery says Obama’s announcement was “more revolutionary” than the moment that President Lyndon Johnson went on national television during the heyday of the civil rights movement and called for racial equality, declaring, “We shall overcome.”

Obama’s “We Shall Overcome” moment will force Americans – black and white – to reexamine positions on same-sex marriage, Lowery says.

“A lot of white people didn’t believe in desegregation until the Supreme Court declared it unconstitutional,” says Lowery, who presided over Obama’s inauguration. “And then they began to rethink it and basically came to the same conclusion.”

Pastor or president?

At least one black minister in North Carolina captures another neglected dimension to the debate. He opposes same-sex marriage but doesn’t like the energy Christians devote to opposing it.

“He’s the president of the Untied States, not the pastor of the United States,” says the Rev. Fred Robinson, who lives in Charlotte. “America is a democracy, not a theocracy. I’m not going to vote on one issue.”

Robinson says some Christians are better at being against something than for something. Christian divorce rates are just as high as those for secular marriages, he says.

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“Our witness is stronger if we actually show that we believe in marriage and lived in and honored it,” he says. “That would be a greater witness than running to the polls to enshrine discrimination in the state constitution.”

The Rev. Tim McDonald, founder of the African-American Ministers Leadership Council, says he opposes same-sex marriage, but he is more concerned about issues like health care, education and jobs.

He's interested to see how black pastors handle Obama’s announcement when they step onto the pulpit Sunday.

“I don’t see how you cannot talk about it,” he says. “I have to. You can say I’m opposed to it [same-sex marriage], but that doesn’t mean I’m against the president.”

McDonald says more black pastors are talking about same-sex marriage than ever before: “Three years ago, there was not even a conversation about this issue – there wasn’t even an entertainment of a conversation about this.”

Polls show that black opinions on same-sex marriage are changing.

According to a Pew Research Center poll conducted in April, 49% of black respondents described themselves as opposed to marriage between gays and lesbians, 14% fewer than in 2008. The percentage of African-Americans in favor of it increased from 26% in 2008 to 39% in 2012.

In 2008, Californians voted on Proposition 8, a measure that would make same-sex marriage illegal in the state, at the same time that they cast ballots for president.

CNN exit polling showed that 70% of California African-Americans supported Prop 8 but that the overwhelming majority - 94% - also backed President Obama.

Black pastors who preach in favor of same-sex marriage know they may pay a price if they take Obama’s position, says Bishop Carlton Pearson.

Pearson is a black minister who says he lost his church building and about 6,000 members when he began preaching that gays and lesbians were accepted by God.

“That’s the risk that people take,” he told CNN. “A lot of preachers actually don’t have a theological issue. It’s a business decision. They can’t afford to lose their parishioners and their parsonages and salaries.”

Pearson navigates the tension between the Bible’s call for holiness and justice this way:

“I take the Bible seriously, just not literally,” he says. “It’s more important what Jesus said about God than what the church says about Jesus.”

CNN staff writer Stephanie Siek contributed to this report.

- CNN Writer

Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Christianity • Gay marriage • Politics

soundoff (2,207 Responses)
  1. socalpimp

    CNN, all gay news, all day long

    May 12, 2012 at 11:26 am |
  2. jerrylax

    In short Graham preferred to stay out of politics and martin luther was a marxist who lived and breathed politics...and now we have a marxist in the white house pushing every leftist button he can find for power...votes. Time to clean house...and get rid of the clintons too, once and for all.

    May 12, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • Michael

      Funny how people who only want fair treatment get demonized as marxists by the fascists.

      May 12, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • Michael

      And, how does that differ from the Far Right fascists who use religion as a political tool, but don't practice what they preach?

      May 12, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Andrew D

      Your what is know as stuck, still living in the falseness of the past, wanting tiime to stand still, and the truth to remain hidden.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  3. Rainer Braendlein

    Reality

    • The moderators of this blog have set up a secret forbidden word filter which unfortunately not only will delete or put your comment in the dreaded "waiting for moderation" category but also will do the same to words having fragments of these words. For example, "t-it" is in the set but the filter will also pick up words like Hitt-ite, t-itle, beati-tude, practi-tioner and const-tution. Then there are words like "an-al" thereby flagging words like an-alysis and "c-um" flagging acc-umulate or doc-ument. And there is also "r-a-pe", “a-pe” and “gra-pe”, "s-ex", and "hom-ose-xual". You would think that the moderators would have corrected this by now considering the number of times this has been commented on but they have not. To be safe, I typically add hyphens in any word that said filter might judge "of-fensive".

    • Make sure the web address does not have any forbidden word or fragment.

    Sum Dude routinely updates the list of forbidden words/fragments.

    Two of the most filtered words are those containing the fragments "t-it" and "c-um". To quickly check your comments for these fragments, click on "Edit" on the Tool Bar and then "Find" on the menu. Add a fragment (without hyphens) one at a time in the "Find" slot and the offending fragment will be highlighted in your comments before you hit the Post button. Hyphenate the fragment(s) and then hit Post. And remember more than one full web address will also gain a "Waiting for Moderation".

    And said moderators still have not solved the chronological placement of comments once the number of comments gets above about 100. They recently have taken to dividing the comments in batches of 50 or so, for some strange reason. Maybe they did this to solve the chronology problem only to make comment reviews beyond the tedious.
    Zeb’s alphabetical listing

    o “bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN "awaiting moderation" filter:
    Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
    You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
    ––
    ar-se.....as in Car-se, etc.
    ba-stard
    co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, lubco-ck, etc.
    co-on.....as in rac-oon, coc-oon, etc.
    cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
    cu-nt.....as in Scu-ntthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters...!
    do-uche
    ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
    ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, etc.
    fu-ck......!
    ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
    ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
    jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
    ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
    ji-sm
    koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
    nip-ple
    pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
    pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
    ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
    se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
    sh-@t.....but shat is okay – don't use the @ symbol there.
    sh-it
    sl-ut
    sn-atch
    sp-ic.....as in disp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
    ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
    tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
    va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
    who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
    wt-f....also!!!!!!!

    There are more, some of them considered "racist", so do not assume that this list is complete.
    -–
    Allowed words / not blocked at all:
    anal
    anus
    ass
    boob
    crap
    damn
    execute
    hell
    kill
    masturbation
    murder
    penis
    pubic
    raping (ra-pe is not ok)
    shat (sh-@t is not ok)
    sphincter
    testes
    testicles

    The CNN / WordPress filter also filters your EMAIL address and NAME as well – so you might want to check those

    May 12, 2012 at 9:48 am |
  4. Rainer Braendlein

    The verses of the Bible against ho-mos-exuality are meant verbatim. Yet today in the concrete handling of certain cases patience must be applied.

    We can imply that yet at Moses' time a gay man was not stoned immediately, but exhorted several times, before he was punished. If someone repented, he was forgiven and admitted again into the community of God's Chosen People.

    The equivalent of stoning at Moses' time is the exclusion from the Church (the Church is the successor of God's Chosen People) today, if a church member is not ready to repent from a heavy sin. The exclusion takes place first after at least three attempts of rebuke (by a singel church member, by several church members and by the whole congregation). Like stoning the exclusion from the Church can lead to the total destruction of the body of the church member in the worst case. A church member outside the Church has got no protection against evil powers.

    Basically a ho-mose-xual person can not remain in the Church. If he or she wants to remain in the Church, he or she has to repent. The Church is a place, where sinners can be cured from their maladies or where are people, which are already cured.

    Every true Christian is always aware of his own sinfulness and knows that he overcomes his sinful body only by God's Grace in Jesus. Hence, a Christian will not judge sinners, but offer the gospel of restoration towards them. In the Church there are people (sinners), which have accepted God's salutary Grace. If someone rejects God's offer of healing, he should stay outside the Church.

    If my workmate, classmate, neighbour, etc. outside the Church is a gay, I don't have to judge him, but treat him friendly offering the gospel by word and practical love.

    The only problem is, when gays want to be church members, without abandoning their sin by the releasing Grace of Jesus. This cannot be accepted, because the Church is the proper place, where are people, which are reconciled with God. Someone, who keeps on sinning, is not reconciled with God and doesn't belong to the Church.

    May 12, 2012 at 9:33 am |
    • Bob Lewis

      Wow, you've really nailed Christian theology. If you could ever find a straight priest, he'd probably agree with you.

      May 12, 2012 at 10:41 am |
  5. hausinbodieaudersauder

    well i do believe that cnn is pro gay,guess iam through with them now.

    May 12, 2012 at 9:17 am |
  6. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS–-->>>>

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions are supposed to obey the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male

    May 12, 2012 at 8:24 am |
  7. TYPICAL atheist's logic

    Atheists are like a fishermen who have been competing to hit the ocean floor using their long poles but failed. They decided to connect all their long poles altogether and made the last attempt but fail yet. All of them went back to the shore frustrated, telling all people that "ocean like beer in a bar, is bottomless".

    May 12, 2012 at 8:07 am |
    • GodPot

      That is probably the worst analogy I have ever heard.

      May 12, 2012 at 10:50 am |
  8. KATHY minneapolis

    I am the african american daughter of a preacher,im 60 years old,and i have always been taught 1man 1woman,but as i have stated before, after listening to the President my views have also changed,im not GOD and only he can judge us.As far as the black vote it will be there,we are well aware of the hope that the GOP have that we will abandon him,AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!! we love our Prez.We know white folk tricks.

    May 12, 2012 at 7:16 am |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    May 12, 2012 at 6:20 am |
    • Gerry

      Religion is not healthy for children and other living things. Action with integrity changes things.

      May 12, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • Hitchens

      Without a moral foundation, coached in prayer there is no integrity.

      May 12, 2012 at 9:02 am |
  10. annebeth

    When Billy Graham refused to address the issue of segregation at the request of Martin Luther King, he showed that he was not a true christian. For that reason I have never respected him and feel he is not worthy to call himself a man of God. He is just a fake pastor, trying to make some cash off of those who "believe" in him.

    May 12, 2012 at 5:12 am |
  11. HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN

    CASE CLOSED.

    May 12, 2012 at 2:11 am |
  12. Nathan

    He is crazy...

    May 12, 2012 at 1:39 am |
  13. Steve

    That's right losers. DEMAND your civil rights. You get to share our water fountains, but nooooooooooooooo. Don't let gays have their civil rights. God forbid gays get to have the same rights as your kind. Here, have some more cocoa butter, jobless, mooching drug dealers. And keep pumping out kids.

    May 12, 2012 at 1:35 am |
  14. Rubiconski

    oogie boogie ick ick. OBAMA must have really been hittin' the cigs 24/7 on this one.

    May 12, 2012 at 1:32 am |
  15. bad2worse

    He wants your vote. That's all this is about. Stupid humans.

    May 12, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • gay guy

      He isnt getting my gay vote, here that tommie girl, nor my gay friends votes, bye bye blackbird, SEE YA IN SANFRANCISCO BAMA BOY

      May 12, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • D-Nice

      Hmmmm, I wonder if Gay Guy is actually gay..LOL Are people really that stupid?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:51 am |
    • gay guy

      All poor seniors are loseing their medicare under OBAMACARE AND BEING PUT ON MEDICAID, A PLAN NOT MADE TO HELP SENIORS WITH THEIR CHRONIC HEALTH PROBLEMS, MILLIONS OF SENIORS ARE BEING FORCED TO GO TO MEDICAID, OF COURSE MOST BUT NOT ALL ARE WHITE, THEY WILL DIE UNDER MEDICAID, IT WAS NOT SET UP TO HANDLE SENIORS, THIS GOES IN FULL FORCE IN 7 months, GOOGLE IT

      May 12, 2012 at 1:12 am |
    • GodPot

      "He wants your vote. That's all this is about."

      And here I thought it was about equality. Your mother must be really proud to have raised such a brilliant child who can see through the facade of giving people equal rights just to get the their vote. Though it does seem that you missed one important factor, if he can buy their vote by giving them equality, then it's something they obviously don't already have, which means it is real enough for them to vote for a person who would continue to fight for their rights as Americans. So at least for them, this is far more than just political maneuvering. You just happen to hate anyone who is different and believe you get to choose who gets to be American and equal or not.

      May 12, 2012 at 10:59 am |
  16. wallaceq41

    Reblogged this on Young, Driven & Passionate and commented:
    The Black Church doesn't support Civil Rights? Post to follow, for sure. #YDP

    May 11, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • gay guy

      Please send Obama back too WHEREVER IN NOV. HES RUINING AMERICA, Hes a fibber, and has committed treason ( fast and furious ), secrets with russians, against America, SEND TOM GIRL TOO

      May 12, 2012 at 12:06 am |
      • wallaceq41

        With all due respect, that is completely erroneous.Please, can you elaborate on how he is ruining America?

        May 12, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • gay guy

      Yes I can! Hold on

      May 12, 2012 at 12:43 am |
    • gay guy

      Ok little girls, listen to mama, unemployment rate in the YOUNG black community is 47%, THATS HURTING BLACK AMERICANS BAD. The American unemployment rate is REALLY AROUND 20% thats hurting ALL AMERICANS. THE GOV. LIES ABOUT THAT RATE AND DOESNT COUNT PEOPLE WHO HAVE GAVE UP LOOKING FOR WORK. He stole 500 billion for medicare, he is TAKING ALL POOR OLD PEOPLE OFF MEDICARE AND PUTTING THEM ON MEDICAID, ALREADY DOING IT THANKS TO OBAMACARE, MEDICAID CANT TAKE CARE OF SENIOR PEOPLE WITH CRONIC HEALTH PROBLEMS IT WASNT MADE TOO, SENIORS UR LOSEING UR MEDICARE UNDER OBAMACARE, GOOGLE IT, HE IS LEAVEING THEM TO DIE, MOST BY FAR ARE WHITE, HE IS KILLING RUINING AMERICA, HE IS SLAPPING BLACKS AND JESUS IN THE FACE WITH HIS PRO GAY MARRIAGE CRAP, IM GAY IM ANTI MARRIAGE, HES FORCEING BLACKS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN HIM AND CHRIST HE OBAMA IS HORRIBLE

      May 12, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • gay guy

      That should have said he took 500 BILLION FROM MEDICARE, UP ABOVE, GOOGLE IT

      May 12, 2012 at 1:17 am |
      • wallaceq41

        First, none of what your talking about is related to this actual post. Second, #YDP will not respond to such rude condescending tones. Lastly, it would be interesting to see where this information is coming from, and whether the president is actually responsible...

        May 12, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
  17. Jo Gordon

    I really think this was a ploy by Obama to get as many votes to win. I'm all for equal rights. I'm all for gays getting their vote but I'm not supporting Obama. More important things are at stake – health care and jobs. Were still waiting Mr. Obama?????

    May 11, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • hmm

      So someone's civil rights aren't important to you? I'm sure if you were gay you would think your rights were just as important as the economy, etc. Maybe even moreso.
      Trust me: he did not do this for votes. Not with some many people being bigoted out there.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Health care and jobs are important, even vital, but equality is one of the basic tenets of this nation. It shouldn't even be a question. It's only a question because a certain group is adamant about depriving equality to another. Perhaps you shouldn't blame the President, and instead blame those who use this bigotry as a way to divide our country.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:37 am |
    • COMMON SENSE

      "hmmm"

      No, he didn't do it for the votes. Biden's stupid comments forced him to make a public statement. Pay more attention to the news, retard.

      May 12, 2012 at 1:45 am |
    • common sense needed

      @hmmm
      Perverts and criminals do not have civil rights.

      May 12, 2012 at 7:04 am |
    • Equality

      Everyone has Civil Rights, it is one of greatest accomplishments as a nation. Heck even our Enemies (POW's) have Civil Rights.

      May 12, 2012 at 9:28 am |
  18. WOT

    Let us not forget that being Gay is an all color issue, other than Iran (as there is no Gays in their country)! Most of you sound as if you will not love your own children if they were Gay! My Dad told me God did not make all the trees in the forest the same. Love people for who and what they are. What are you doing that is consided God's, will for mankind. Let God do his job and you do yours (love every one).

    May 11, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      I'm with you WOT! Well said.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • Jo Gordon

      I'll second that!

      May 11, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yah. And water is wet! Really insightful, you dolts.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      Yay for Tom; our newest convert!

      May 11, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're even dumber than I could have imagined, Mikey.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • gay guy

      SERIOUSLY, LAST TIME I SAW TOM HE WAS TROLLING AROUND THE LIL BOYS ROOM AT WALMART

      May 12, 2012 at 12:20 am |
  19. n8362

    Imposing your religious superstition on others is immoral.

    You do not believe in religion because you honestly think it is true, you believe in it because you fear mortality or are seeking meaning in your life. It does not take a genius to figure out all religion is man made, so for humanity's sake, please stop lying to yourself.

    Deluding yourself in religion does not change reality. Lying to yourself is probably the worst possible way to try to find meaning.

    May 11, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • gay guy

      Tom, are u gay?

      May 11, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why? Why would it matter? Does a person have to be black or Hispanic to care about equal rights under the law? Must someone be female to care about reproductive rights? Must someone be gay to care about gay rights?

      Must someone be stupid to be equal to you?

      May 11, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • gay guy

      Tom will u email me? I want to understand the liberal view on different subjects, Wayne, I am from tennessee and north georgia

      May 11, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • gay guy

      Im not stupid u hurt my feelings

      May 11, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • n8362

      guy, why did you reply to my comment?

      May 11, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • gay guy

      See people Tom has argued with me over gay marriage, BUT WHEN I ASK HIM TO EMAIL ME TO TELL ME THE LIBERAL SIDE HE IGNORES ME, CANT TALK TO A GAY GUY ONE ON ONE TOMMY

      May 11, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • gay guy

      Ur WRONG ABOUT RELIGION, WHEN U HAVE GOD AND JESUS IN UR HEART THEY PUT SO MUCH LOVE IN UR HEART AND SOUL, U FEEL IT AND U KNOW THEY ARE REAL AND U ARE IN A BEAUTIFUL STATE OF ETERNAL LOVE, CHRIST IS LOVE

      May 11, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hey, troll, figure out how the caps key works. Then you can graduate to eating solid foods.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      n8362, of course what you say makes perfect sense. Assuming that there is no God...

      May 11, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not an assumption. A fact, dipsh!t.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
    • gay guy

      Tom u are a discussing gross liberal freak

      May 12, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • 1ST SGT

      You believe in morals but yet you say religion is false. So then undoubtedly Rev. King (If you can still legally call him that) did he believe in morals which he had none. For most would have been kicked him from the Church once his mistress came to light. Committing adultery would be considered an immoral thing. Someone here needs to read Genesis ch.9 v.20-27, to understand God's feeling towards the black man.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:02 am |
  20. Mike Blackadder

    It's obvious that Obama campaign tactic is to continually change the subject and to never face his record as president. He's basically running the same kind of campaign that he did in 2008 where we're supposed to be highly impressed by his opinions and lofty concepts like hope and change, but is not to be held accountable for his actions or performance.

    Let's talk about fake issues like Romney's war on women, class warfare, animal cruelty, gay marriage or any other hype, all of which will take months to sift through, and will never amount to anything that is of any relevance to the role of the president.

    Revolutionary? Come on. The majority of Americans hold the same opinion expressed by the president. As if it matters which political angle Obama is choosing to play at this point. CNN will gush over practically anything Obama has to say ... just like in 2008.

    May 11, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, yer such a brilliant analyst! Why don't you analyze what would most probably have occurred had Obama NOT done what he did in his first 10 months as President?

      You bozos don't have a clue.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • gay guy

      Tommy stop calling people names, NO GAY MARRIAGE

      May 11, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Stop being retarded.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • GodPot

      Take a look at this graph and see what the reality is Mike. Notice the -.06 there about Oct 2008 as the economy is already in free fall and President Bush signs the $700 billion bank bailout. Notice it bottoms out early 2009 and continues with steady growth?

      http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth-annual

      May 11, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      Yeah right Tom and Godpot. That's why Obama's campaign is only about this irrelevant stuff.

      BTW, I agree that government spending was required in responses to the sub prime crash. Look at what the government of Canada did. They pumped in money right away, they created incentives to spend through tax deductions for home improvements and otherwise got o it of the way to allow the economy to recover.

      Obama, after taking necessary measures like Bush, has been dribbling out spending over the past four years, will continue to do so in the future, and is much more concerned about his pet projects like cap and trade, and universal health care than about the recovery of the economy.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Uh-huh. So? You think Mittens has a better idea?

      As if.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      A better idea would be to not adopt policies that hurt the economy and to not bury the country in debt unnecessarily.

      What do you think is going to happen when China can no longer export labour like they do today? They have a huge demographics issue on their hands and it's going to be noticeable within the next five years. What happens to the US budget as a result of projected increases in debt and/or higher interest rates?

      May 11, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The economy is buried in debt because of Bush, not Obama. Got anything else?

      May 11, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      Do you have any clue what Obama's deficits are? Do you know what his projected deficits are? This is because of Bush? Typical from the Obama cheerleaders.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Do you have a clue as to how deficits work? Do you have any idea as to the alternatives, MIkey? Why don't you inform the White House of your brilliant solutions? Why is it you're sitting on your azz in your basement, banging on your ancient keyboard? Why aren't YOU in the White House, telling everyone about the perfect solution to the economic issues?

      Yeah, I thought so. You're nothing more than a moron who's full of himself. Dime a dozen.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      Yeah, I think a budget deficit is when you decide to spend more money than you're going to receive. If you decide to spend wayyy more money than you receive you get an even bigger deficit. This is getting to the real crux of the argument.

      Do you really believe it is irrelevant how much money he spends? Do you really think that his decisions with regard to spending have no effect? You're position makes no sense. That's why the president prefers to talk about gay marriage.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      Correction: Your position makes no sense.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
    • gay guy

      Obama AINT gittin our southern votes tommie girl

      May 12, 2012 at 12:12 am |
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