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My Take: Gays are coming out on TV. Christians are, too
Actor Samuel Larsen, second from left, on "The Glee Project."
May 11th, 2012
08:54 AM ET

My Take: Gays are coming out on TV. Christians are, too

Editor's Note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "God is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions that Run the World," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

The New York Times reports this week that gays and lesbians are now commonplace on hit television shows. But Christians are coming out of the closet and onto our television sets, too.

“Glee” may feature a gay couple (Kurt and Blaine), a lesbian couple (Santana and Brittany), and a transgender character (Unique), but it also includes the God Squad, a group of Christians that meet in school and struggle with the demands of their faith.

On the first season of “The Glee Project,” a reality show that trolls for talent to feature on “Glee,” actor Samuel Larsen won a seven-episode role in part because of a tattoo on his chest quoting from Psalm 18 (“I will love thee O Lord my strength”). Larsen, who also sports long dreadlocks, obviously has that elusive “it” factor, but one reason he won "The Glee Project" was that "Glee" executive producer Ryan Murphy wanted to feature a Christian character on the show.

Larsen’s character, transfer student (and former home schooler) Joe Hart, debuted on the "Heart" episode on Valentine’s Day, and since then he has been the “Christian guy” - aka "Teen Jesus" - at William McKinley High.

In that episode, the God Squad raises money by performing singing telegrams at $10 a pop, but when Santana (Naya Rivera) asks them to sing for her girlfriend Brittany (Heather Morris), Joe balks and a discussion about the Bible and homosexuality ensues.

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Mercedes (Amber Riley) calculates that since “one out of every ten people are gay . . . one of the twelve apostles might have been gay.” Sam (Chord Overstreet) observes that “the Bible says it’s an abomination for a man to lay with another man,” prompting Quinn (Dianna Agron) go ask, “Do you know what else the Bible says is an abomination? Eating lobster, planting different crops in the same field, giving somebody a proud look. Not an abomination? Slavery. Jesus never said anything about gay people. That’s a fact.”

Matt Philbin at the Media Research Center cites this episode as an example of the liberal “crusade against faith,” characterizing “Glee” for “attacking the Bible while pushing the gay agenda.

I have a different take. I think it’s about time that Christian characters are showing up on television shows. I think it’s great that these characters are portrayed as flesh-and-blood people who struggle with their faith like the young Christians I know who struggle with theirs. And I think it’s amazing that characters on one of the most popular shows on television are actually discussing the Bible!

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In a more recent episode, called “Dance With Somebody,” Joe gets into another conversation about how to live as a Christian. He has fallen for Quinn while helping her rehabilitate from a car crash, and he’s trying to reconcile what his teenage body says about sex with what the Bible says.

In the boys locker room, Sam tells him to go for it, arguing that you can be a good Christian and a sexual person at the same time. But Joe isn’t so sure he should give in to temptation. And when he hints in a conversation with Quinn that he would give up his Christian faith in order to be her boyfriend, Quinn tells him no. “It’s nice knowing there’s something out there that can’t be lost," she says.

I’m not saying Joe is everybody’s idea of a good Christian. But out there in the real world in actual U.S. high schools there are all sorts of people who fall somewhere between chaste born-again Christians who see holding hands as a gateway drug to illicit sex and frisky secular humanists who spend more time hooking up than doing their homework.

Let's see more of Joe Hart on "Glee," I say, and more of real Christians (and their struggles) on network television.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Entertainment • Homosexuality • Sexuality • Teens • United States

soundoff (752 Responses)
  1. dbrock010

    How 'bout an opinion piece on the economy, jobs, and health-care. In case you haven't noticed, there is an election coming in six months.

    May 11, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • BRC

      You will be more likely to find those pieces by NOT searching the belief blog (this section is devoted to religious related articles).

      May 11, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Kris

      Here's an opinion... All candidates will claim they can single-handedly fix the economy, employ each and every person in the country, and provide health care for free, when in fact they have little influence on any of these. Time has much more influence on the economy/jobs than an administration.

      May 12, 2012 at 2:23 am |
    • boom

      cuz the economy isnt better than under bush........
      what is wrong? ah yeah we forgot to invade some more countries

      May 12, 2012 at 3:34 am |
  2. Bootyfunk

    "you can be a good Christian and a s.exual person at the same time. But Joe isn’t so sure he should give in to temptation"

    better not give into temptation, especially if you're a woman. according to the bible all non-virgin brides should be dragged to their father's house by their would-be husband, and then with the whole town helping, she is to be stoned to death.

    May 11, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • boom

      yip..... but priests slurping altar boi juice are coddled

      May 12, 2012 at 3:35 am |
  3. Bootyfunk

    "But Christians are coming out of the closet and onto our television sets, too."
    LOL. yes, christians really need to come out of the closet. what a joke.

    May 11, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Rundvelt

      It's this inborn complex most Christians have. They always feel like they're being oppressed. And they are, if you count them not being able to control how others want to live.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
  4. sally

    I don't wanna instigate, but I think y'all should fight.

    May 11, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  5. tokencode

    Jesus rose from the grave and ate the brains of all his followers

    May 11, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      run! it's zombie jesus! aaaaaaaahhh!

      May 11, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
  6. Primewonk

    We frequently see supposedly "good" Christians post on these threads that atheists and agnostics lump all christians together and we shouldn't do that.

    Yet when ignorant fundiot (fundamentalist îdiot) trolls like Atheist Hunter spam threads with their inane pointless drivel, we never see these "good" Christians taking them to task for their behavior.

    Perhaps if the "good" Christians do not want to be lumped in with môronic cretins like Atheist Hunter, they should let him know how unchristian his behavior is?

    May 11, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Oh, what a nice attempt at deflection. Of course from someone who can't even keep a thread together I'd expect no less.

      "We frequently see supposedly "good" Christians post on these threads that atheists and agnostics lump all christians together and we shouldn't do that."
      No, you shouldn't, but then you continue to do so anyways. It's sooo confusing to believers who think you're just trying to poke fun.

      "Yet when ignorant fundiot (fundamentalist îdiot) trolls like Atheist Hunter...."
      Heh heh...yepper. That's me alrighty.

      "...spam threads with their inane pointless drivel, we never see these "good" Christians taking them to task for their behavior."
      Maybe they're just enjoying the payback?

      Perhaps if the "good" Christians do not want to be lumped in with môronic cretins like Atheist Hunter, they should let him know how unchristian his behavior is?"
      Or not, recognizing that I may not be what you purport me to be.

      I can own you little bas tards anytime I want. Remember that.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Time for lunch.

      I think I'll eat yours.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • momoya

      Regardless of whether you're right or wrong on god or religion, AH, you're a fvcking rude azzhole.. I wish all christians were like you.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      momoya

      Pfft. Now give me your sandwich.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Atheist Karma

      Much less threatening. I like it better.

      You'll get what you give, our little atheists, and since the vast majority of you aren't exactly on Santa's nice, yo...

      May 11, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • J.R.

      AH is a 30 year old home owner? Must of inherited it from from his inbred parents.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      God just told me to stick with Hunter. I'm not exactly sure who's God it was (there's so many and they all talk at the same time) but I'd better follow His directions.

      Either that or I just thought Karma was too wussy. Anyone have any other suggestions? Roll 'em in before 5:00pm CST tonight and I'll thoroughly consider each one and use the most offensive. (Not for myself, of course...)

      May 11, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      J.R.

      Hello there, Numbnuts. Not sure where you got that tidbit of knowledge from.. maybe I own a 30 year old home? Or paid off a 30 year mortgage? The permutations are mind-boggling, aren't they?

      Maybe I paid off a home in my 40's (hold it, that would be YeahRight who's still living in his mother's apartment) with a 15 year mortgage before I was 30? Or, wait....

      Go have a latte and get back to us later.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • momoya

      What about : Dovchenozzle Christian who makes my own belief system look retardedly hateful?

      May 11, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Psst.. You don't need anyone else help for that. You're good to go.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • J.R.

      HA, Well my nu ts are a bit numb as I have been punching myself in them because that is slightly less painful than reading your posts. But if you look below:

      Atheist Hunter

      Youth in Asia

      I'm 30, own my home ( paid off) own two BMWs (paid off) all from hard work, no parents money. God didn't have sh!t to do with any of it. Fvck you and your non existent of. Eat a d!ck Hunter."

      Keep pushin' that powder, makin' those pc boads and sewin' those pants! Hard work pays off!

      Even if you have teenage Asian slaves doing it for you!

      May 11, 2012 at 12:11 pm

      As for the inbreeding that was just speculation.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Well, my peeps, it's been real. I have to take my Lab to the vet now. Making sure his bowels move is more important than playing Star Wars light sabers with all of you.

      But carry on without me.

      (insert Darth Vader breath sound here.)

      May 11, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      J.R.

      That was from Youth in Asia.

      Please try to keep up.

      Adieu

      May 11, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      "we never see these "good" Christians taking them to task for their behavior." There's a reason for that, Primewonk. In the past, atheists have openly enjoyed what they call "infighting" among the Christians. If one christian on this page reproved another, you would enjoy it all too much. You know this and so do we.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • momoya

      So you're not going to stick up for what's right because of how others will treat you?. Well, I guess so, why would you self-sacrifice, it's not like the founder of your religion did any of that.......oh.... wait... . um.. he kind of did, and he kind of demanded it of you.. Do all christians back down from the correct course of action when they fear being made fun of or is that just you?

      May 11, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Q

      Christians really don't take these boards seriously. They are more concerned about being right than thier duty to bring others to Christ. Base on most posts They don't care about anyones soul, maybe not even thier own, considering you have to answer to God for EVERY action you do, including something as trivial as being rude on a message board. It's almost like they don't actually believe God is looking over thier shoulder, He is omniscient, right? Exactly were in the Bible does it say to worry about anything a non-believer thinks other than about thier eternal soul.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • boom

      when I say it is 100000% impossible to fertilize a mammals egg without the males DNA, there is NO reply to that. so good bad or whatever christian. u need to accept your stories are stories. and dead do not rise... zombies are just in the movies.
      Science is blossoming faster than MAN can adjust the books written by man. almost all unknowns are now known. ESPECIALLY the fairy tail ones from those books written by man to control man.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:39 am |
  7. Huebert

    Yes show more True Christians on national T.V. Exposing and their beliefs is the best way to create atheist.

    May 11, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Bryan

      No that's the problem. People don't coherently explain Christianity like they should. You probably follow the Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris "I've got a chip on my shoulder so there is no God" logic

      May 11, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Huebert

      Please don't as.sume my logic. I Don't believe in god because i don't believe in magic.

      Harry Potter has magic powers, Harry Potter is not real.
      Leprechauns have magic powers, Leprechauns are not real.
      Psychics claim magic powers, psychic powers are not real, but don't tell that to the psychics.
      God has magic powers, God is not real.

      Magic isn't real anything that could only exist through magic, dragons, elves, gods, can be dismissed as a fairy tale.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Cq

      Bryan
      The usual atheist logic runs along the lines of "I have examined the evidence supporting a belief in God, but find it insufficient." The vocal opposition that you characterize as having a "chip" on our shoulders comes from our reaction to the hurt and misinformation that believers sometimes intentionally create out of their dogmatic certainty that whatever they do must be right if they think it is what God wants.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Cq

      These board are replete with atheist sport insult. Whatever 'information' atheists think they're imparting is usually saturated in disparagement and condescension, so don't try to píss on someone's leg and tell them it's raining.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:11 am |
    • boom

      yeah get all the christians on tv telling us how they hate gays. telling us how their all loving 'god' is a bigot. how their priests drinking altar boi juice is not the devils work!

      May 12, 2012 at 3:41 am |
    • Cq

      Atheist Hunter
      There are some who come here just to insult Christians, and you have to remember that there is a lot of anger towards what many believers do based on their beliefs, but a lot of us do, in fact, do try to engage you folks with legitimate counterpoints to your theologies; bring out actual scientific knowledge, scriptural references and church history that you are either ignorant of, or omitting because it doesn't suit your arguments. I know that you are use to an atmosphere of zero questioning of clerical authority so, if anything, we are "raining on your parade" by shining a light upon the things so many of you just follow blindly. Religion is a consumer product like anything else, so why shouldn't everyone be made aware of the product's faults through negative reviews?

      May 12, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  8. Primewonk

    Atheist Hunter wrote, " I have an idea! What don't you insult and demean all the believers and denigrate them into submitting to logic? Sure. That will work."

    Because you can't force those who purposefully choose to be ignorant to stop being ignorant.

    May 11, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Then why bother? Unless it's just too much fun to pass up.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Cq

      Atheist Hunter
      You can lead a horse to water, and he may not drink, but if you never lead any horse to water many would die because horses often don't know what they are missing. Many believers do not know what they are missing either. They never get to see the counter arguments to their beliefs being presented without the bias that comes from their usual sources, and a great many things they may learn from atheists here, and in other places, are things kept secret from them. Many of us feel that believers are sheltered from too much about the foundations of their faith, and the affects their faith decisions have on everyone else to make truly informed choices regarding these things. That's why we post.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Cq

      These board are replete with atheist sport insult. Whatever 'information' atheists think they're imparting is usually saturated in disparagement and condescension, so don't try to píss on someone's leg and tell them it's raining.

      "Many of us feel that believers are sheltered from too much about the foundations of their faith.."
      Go leaflet a convent and save the poor, ignorant, sheltered nuns from themselves.

      "... and the affects their faith decisions have on everyone else..."
      They're 'faith' decisions, or just their decisions? What if I believe in right-to-life absent any religious dogma? Or do you believe it's always religiously motivated?

      "... to make truly informed choices regarding these things."
      and there's the bullshít disclaimer.

      May 12, 2012 at 3:18 am |
    • Cq

      Atheist Hunter
      "What if I believe in right-to-life absent any religious dogma?"
      I have to admit that I haven't met a single person who held a right to life position outside of religious grounds. Do you have any data suggesting that a sizable percentage do?

      May 12, 2012 at 11:51 am |
  9. Christopher Hitchens

    I'm not an Athiest anymore.

    May 11, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Troll harder...

      May 11, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • NotBuyingIt

      Well, he is correct... Hitchens calls himself an Anti-theist. In your FACE, troll!

      May 11, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • BRC

      In the words of Jesus after he rose from the grave-
      "Braaaaiiinns..."

      May 11, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      yes you are. you're dead. dead people don't believe in anything.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
  10. Voice of Reason

    Keep the religious stuff on the religious stations please, if not it will be more indoctrination for the ignorant and easily swayed mind.

    May 11, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • Geraldine Desposito

      Voice of Reason,

      Yeah, although it does seem appropriate to have myth presented on stage or TV somehow.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      what cha' afraid of?

      May 11, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      All those ignorant and easily swayed minds vote differently from you, don't they? What a bltch. Poor under-represented little atheists. What are the liberal progressives going to do.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      I have an idea! What don't you insult and demean all the believers and denigrate them into submitting to logic? Sure. That will work.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Or how about believers just vote liberal – can they keep their faith then? Ass Hole atheists. You have no clue how to influence American politics.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Of course most of you aren't old enough to vote anyways, and the ones that are don't vote – they just sit home and bltch.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • YeahRight

      "Of course most of you aren't old enough to vote anyways, and the ones that are don't vote "

      Don't you just love Trolls like this especially since they aren't really a Christian since they just broke on of the ten commandments with the lies they're spewing. What an idiot. LOL!

      May 11, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      So just keep asserting yourselves where you don't belong and are unwanted. Let everyone know how self-righteous and correct you are (OMG,sound familiar?) At least the adults will recognize that your making an attempt at developing an identi-ty, even at the expense of social civility., 'cause after all, the adults already did that in the 60's. "Look, Bill, they're doing exactly what we used to do! How cute!"

      May 11, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      "Down with the establishment, stick it to the man!"

      Got news for you, kiddies. Each generation goes through it's own brand of '"troll" stage. It usually hits the 15-25 crowd. Then you grow up and buy a house at 7%. Try as you might, you can't dodge it. It's coming. Right in your little atheist faces.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Then your wife starts popping out kids like her hoo-hah is a clown car. Fifteen years later they all hate you cause you stand for everything that's wrong. Even producing them was wrong, cause they didn't ask for it. Round and round it goes. Soon it"ll be your turn, Mom and Dad. Coming soon to a life near you.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      I was just going to add you as just another christard that speys their rightousness on here, but if you bought a house at 7% then you're just a regular retard. sorry.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Ohhhh.. I'm wounded. Such vile names. Problem with name-throwing is that it really doesn't matter unless you pair it with some sincerity and emotion. Same for cursing. Big difference between simply throwing a bird and getting up in someones' face when you're doing it.

      We used to have fun spelling antidisestablishmentarianism. What we didn't realize then was that we didn't have to work at doing it. The establishment always takes care of itself. It always has. It always will. The only thing that matters is how well you can function after you've been, *gasp* assimilated.

      My house is paid off. Is yours?

      May 11, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Atheist Hunter

      And no, your parents house doesn't count.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Youth in Asia

      I'm 30, own my home ( paid off) own two BMWs (paid off) all from hard work, no parents money. God didn't have sh!t to do with any of it. Fvck you and your non existent of. Eat a d!ck Hunter.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Oh and btw all you precious little atheists, I have to ask you about something. It's your music. Your music blows. You don't have any political protest, insult or rant songs other than rap. And let's face it... rap is really politically influential, is it now? And the tunes you do have, well, they're a little light, aren't they? Your "pop" used to be called "bubblegum."

      You just sort of lost the political emotion and drive in it all, didn't you? WT F happened? You even screwed the pooch trying to re-do Woodstock. Sad. So very disappointing.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "My house is paid off. Is yours?"

      Yes, but I am only in my 40's how old are you? Debt is something that is ruining our society and yet supposedly 80% of the people in America are Christians and the average credit card debt of an American household is 16,000. LMAO! Especially since your bible states you shouldn't be in debt at all. LOL!

      May 11, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Youth in Asia

      I'm 30, own my home ( paid off) own two BMWs (paid off) all from hard work, no parents money. God didn't have sh!t to do with any of it. Fvck you and your non existent of. Eat a d!ck Hunter."

      Keep pushin' that powder, makin' those pc boads and sewin' those pants! Hard work pays off!

      Even if you have teenage Asian slaves doing it for you!

      May 11, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Oh and btw all you precious little atheists, I have to ask you about something. It's your music. Your music blows. You don't have any political protest, insult or rant songs other than rap. And let's face it... rap is really politically influential, is it now? And the tunes you do have, well, they're a little light, aren't they? Your "pop" used to be called "bubblegum.""

      Wow are you delusional or what. Your stereotyping is totally unfounded in facts and lies, you're definitely are a troll and not a real Christian.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Keep pushin' that powder, makin' those pc boads and sewin' those pants! Hard work pays off!

      Even if you have teenage Asian slaves doing it for you!"

      Don't bother replying to this bigoted troll anymore what an idiot.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Youth in Asia

      Your an old troll Hunter. You and the other dinosaurs are dying out. Your "god" is just like any other god from history, non existent. It will be replaced just like you with something new and better. Its the way of life, science and nature. No eternal life, no heaven no hell. Just physics and science, which are the only truths. Not logic-less religion.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      YeahRight

      You're in your 40s? You sure don't sound like it. I'll go 22, and not a month higher.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • WASP

      @hunter: "Got news for you, kiddies. Each generation goes through it's own brand of '"troll" stage. It usually hits the 15-25 crowd. Then you grow up and buy a house at 7%. Try as you might, you can't dodge it. It's coming. Right in your little atheist faces.
      May 11, 2012 at 11:46 am
      Atheist Hunter
      Then your wife starts popping out kids like her hoo-hah is a clown car. Fifteen years later they all hate you cause you stand for everything that's wrong. Even producing them was wrong, cause they didn't ask for it. Round and round it goes. Soon it"ll be your turn, Mom and Dad. Coming soon to a life near you."

      dude i am truly sorry you have had such a hard life. seriously to make you this bitter about marriage, children and your own future; how sad. well i have one child and one on the way. i served 8 years in the army and i'm fixing to retire at thirty and travel with my family. i feel great, i never understood why the religious were always so unhappy.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Youth in Asia

      So, tell us all how you made your "fortune."

      May 11, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • Youth in Asia

      Hunter,
      Your also so stupid that you didn't get that my name is a joke, just like your belief in a god.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • NotBuyingIt

      Can't you guys recognize a troll when you see one?

      May 11, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      YeahRight

      So I'm delusional? Give me some good political music from the last decade. Prove me wrong.

      Shlt, from the last 15 years. If you have to reach, go 20.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Youth in Asia

      Awww.. No fortune. Too bad. So Solly for you.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Youth in Asia

      Obvousl

      May 11, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      WASP

      You "don't understand" is the operative term there. Not averages or uniqueness.

      But you're pretty damned good at assumptions. That'll get you far.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      YeahRight

      "Keep pushin' that powder, makin' those pc boads and sewin' those pants! Hard work pays off!

      Even if you have teenage Asian slaves doing it for you!"

      "Don't bother replying to this bigoted troll anymore what an idiot."
      ++++++++++++++++++++++

      Obviously YeahRight is an Apple customer.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      So, the result here is obvious.

      All you litle píssy pants atheists can dish it out, but you can't take it.

      You're harmless and politically impotent. You have about as much chance of changing the world as my neutered pet Labrador. You do have one thing in common with my beloved dog –

      You all leave a bunch of shít where ever you go.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      Atheist Hunter
      You are a troll, your rants are meaningless and the more you post, the more you hurt your cause.

      It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
      -Abraham Lincoln

      May 11, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Hm -Hm.

      Pick anything I said in this thread. Disprove it – factually.

      Better you just repair to your basement lair, deny your reality and download some more 4chan.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Hm -Hm.

      Pick anything I said in this thread. Disprove it – factually.

      Better that you just repair to your basement lair, deny your reality and download some more 4chan.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Baaah. You atheists are slow and boring. I'll be back.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • ME II

      @Atheist Hunter

      "Pick anything I said in this thread. Disprove it – factually."
      Isn't a hunter, necessarily one who hunts. You're not hunting you're commenting.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
  11. ME II

    I guess I'm wondering, since when has there been a lack of Christians represented on TV? It's been awhile but some still remember "Touched by an Angel", the short-lived "Joan of Arcadia", "7th Heaven", etc.

    Not to mention every other channel (it seems) being a 24/7 religious network, and every Sunday morning being a smorgasbord of Church video feeds.

    http://blog.beliefnet.com/idolchatter/2008/01/top-10-christian-tv-characters.html
    http://blog.chron.com/believeitornot/2011/01/spirituality-on-the-small-screen-religious-characters-on-tv/

    May 11, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • Geraldine Desposito

      That's how the religious con artists, the lot of them, make a lot of their money.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • ME II

      FYI, from Wiki (not that Wikipedia should be used as a primary source)

      "7th Heaven is the longest-running series that has ever aired on The WB and is the longest-running family drama in television history (beating out both Little House on the Prairie and The Waltons).[1]"

      May 11, 2012 at 11:52 am |
  12. BoldGeorge

    I'm not even going to touch the gay topic of this article, but one thing I do want to point out is that Mr. Stephen Prothero has either no clue on what God's core message is in His Scriptures or he willingly is ignorant about why some of us (here in this forum and outside of it) preach on repentance from sin (whether that sin is adultery, f-o-r-n-i-c-a-t-i-o-n, h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y, lying, stealing, etc.) and turning to Christ for forgiveness and to help us restore our falleness from our Creator. That is the Bible's core message of salvation and quite frankly, without any of this, there would be no salvation.

    So, for Mr. Prothero to say (write rather):
    "I think it’s great that these characters are portrayed as flesh-and-blood people who struggle with their faith like the young Christians I know who struggle with theirs.", what he is really saying is that he is pleased to see how Christians can make fools of themselves and are no better than Bozo the clown. Also, it's just another way of him telling the world, "Don't feel that bad guys and girls. Christians are no better than anyone and they they might even be worse than everyone because of their hypocrisy."

    Right, Christians are no better than anyone. As far as human worth and value goes, we are no better than anyone living or dead. I'll be the first one to say that. But a true Christian is :

    – Someone who sets themselves apart from the world, its beliefs and its system as a whole.
    – Someone who has been born-again, who became a new person in Christ and has left the world's ways to further God's kingdom.
    – Someone who has a deep desire to reach the lost, for the people of the world to come to that knowledge of Salvation that he or she was made aware of one fateful day and now possesses it.
    – And last but not least, someone who is not ashamed of the gospel and will go out of their way to reach the world with this great Gospel, despite persecution. scoffers and rejection.

    Notice how I did not mention that a Christian is someone who doesn't sin anymore, or someone who is better than unbelievers, or someone who reads the Bible 24 hours a day – 7 days a week (though I wish I had the time to do that), or someone who isolates themselves from the rest of the world. A Christian who "sets" themselves apart really means someone who does not "take part" in the world's systems and its l-u-s-t-s and indulgences (by the way, that is what the word "holy" means, to be set apart for God). And this is NOT Mr. Prothero's message about all things Christians in all of his articles he posts here. I hope I'm wrong and I hope he does read comments written for and against his views. Please do not get me wrong. I do not h-a-t-e, nor dislike nor am against him or anyone in anyway. All I want him and everyone to know that Christianity and true Christians are not at all twisted as some of these articles and its opinioners set it out to be. Furthermore, the media/entertainment industry and the vast majority who get caught up with them are not just making Christians out to be twisted, they twist God's word to further their agenda(s) against Christianity and to make their sinfulness seem ok, like it's not a big deal.

    Here are a few Bible verses that point to what I am trying to state here:
    1 John 2:15 – Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
    2 Corinthians 5:17 – Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: the old things are passed away; behold, all things are now new.
    2 Corinthians 6:14 – Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

    And for those who have doubts as to what Christians should be really doing as opposed to seeking out fame and fortune and becoming a TV celebrity:

    The Great Commission – Matthew 28: 19-20
    "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

    May 11, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • momoya

      Or he just believes his doctrine is correct and yours is wrong; like you think of him.. The bible provides no method of testing doctrines that can be assembled from its stories and sermons, so it just comes down to arguing over opinion–exactly what you demonstrate above.. Thanks.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ momoya – "The bible provides no method of testing doctrines that can be assembled from its stories and sermons,"

      Who told you this? Where did you get this from? The Bible, aside from it being a guide to God's kingdom is for exactly that, to provide a method, a way for believers to differentiate and test the spirits of doctrines to see if they are of God. Scriptures contain loads of information to spot false teachers and doctrines. I suggest you read Scriptures but with the openness to 'seek'.

      – 1 John 4:1 – Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
      – Ephesians 4:14 – so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.
      – 2 Timothy 3:16 – All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness...

      May 11, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by Bold George contains multiple instances of the the No True Scotsmen fallacy.

      http://www.fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

      May 11, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Youth in Asia

      Quoting bible scripture doesn't make anything you say right or true. It makes you delusional. You put so much effort into pedaling something with no factual backing what so ever. Your essentially a liar.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • ME II

      @Bold George,
      Those quotes don't give any way to tell what is 'true' and what is not.
      "but test the spirits to see whether they are from God"
      Regardless of what a is meant by "sprit" , how are we supposed to "test" one, exactly?

      May 11, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ Youth – "You put so much effort into pedaling something with no factual backing what so ever. "

      What 'factual' backing are you looking for? The Bible was WRITTEN eons ago, but so were the ship logs of Christopher Columbus when he set sail to the New World. Why believe one and not the other? By the way, most "intelligent" people at that time believed Columbus to be a nut job for embarking on his quest to discover a 'new world'.

      Here's another Bible quote for you:
      Romans 1: 25, 26 – "because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator...For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions."

      May 11, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Bob

      BoldGeorge, since you are dumping bible quotes on us, let's look at what the bible says, that nasty book of horrors. Wonderful demands from Christian "god" like this set:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Now, since you keep spewing about your bible, note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes your sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations, and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Please, stop referencing that Christian book of nasty, AKA the bible, as a guide to, well, anything.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 11, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ ME II

      The context of this verse meant to express the 'source', the 'concepts', the 'meanings', the 'heart of the matter' of whatever truth is being claimed. Test to see what is behind it and where is it coming from. The bible verse I quoted about testing the spirits further states that if these "spirits" are from God, they will confirm Jesus Christ's accounts:

      1 John 4: 2-3
      By this you know the Spirit of God: that every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • YeahRight

      "What 'factual' backing are you looking for? The Bible was WRITTEN eons ago"

      The bible has been proven not to be an historical document but just a religious book.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • ME II

      @Bold George,
      "Why believe one and not the other?"
      Seriously?
      There are multiple corroborating independent sources that say Columbus made his trip. Not to mention that no one is saying that there eternal salvation rests on Columbus' existence, i.e. little reason to fabricate the story.

      Jesus on the other hand had only a few, Josephus, tacitus(?), etc., second-hand accounts outside of the Bible itself. None of which support anything but his possible existence, let alone his divinity. Additionally, there was a lot of incentive to fabricate, e.g. power, belief, pride, righteousness, money(?).

      May 11, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • ME II

      "there" should be "their"

      May 11, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ Bob

      It's really not worth me refuting your claim that the Bible has said to do this and do that when in fact that everything that was done back then has passed on and is not needed because Jesus Christ paid it all on the cross. You are not the first one to quote Bible verses waaaaaay out of context. It happens everyday, like today, like it just did with your comment.

      I don't know if you know this but the devil himself tried to tempt Jesus by quoting Scriptures (misquoting it of course). And Jesus shot back by accurately interpreting and quoting Scripture. Accurately quoting of Scripture in its correct context is the key to truly receiving and accepting God's word for what it is really meant to be. Besides, I really don't think that that is the reason why you and others will not follow God's word, just because of the Scripture you just quoted.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Cq

      BoldGeorge
      There are all kinds of "lusts and indulgences" in the world. One might even point to your desire to study the Bible 24/7 as one. What kind of quality would you have to your life if you tried to do this? Would you take time away from other duties and your family life for it? Surely, even your religious duties can be done to excess, leading to a strained home life and other problems, right? So, does it matter exactly what it is that you overindulge in if the outcome is the same?

      Many Christians speak out against the "sin" of drinking alcohol, but Jesus himself drank to an extent that some even accused him of being a drunk. Drinking can take over your life, ruining it, but so can sports, dieting, work and pretty much anything else, including religion. So, shouldn't the real message be to take all things in moderation?

      May 11, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ YeahWrong

      On what proven fact are you basing your assumption on???

      May 11, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • ME II

      @BoldGeorge,
      Seriously?
      Wouldn't that "test" excluded the entire OT? and include everyone who wants to make the claim?

      p.s. God is fine with gay marriage and smoking pot, but only on Tuesdays. Oh, and ... Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • WASP

      @BG: i believe what all us atheists are looking for as far as proof of what you and your book claims would go along the lines of something we can test and see. let's see a preacher/faith healer cure someone of cancer while a battery of scientists observe and record what is happening in each persons body. let's see then heal the blind, jesus did it and he was just a man.....he even said so. let's see a change when a human begins to believe in any god; we can monitor the activity of their brains and see what goes on........wait we did that, same as being on drugs or meditating, lol.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • NotBuyingIt

      @George

      I doubt you realize how arrogant you sound by suggesting that your interpretation of scripture is correct and everyone else's is wrong. It's actually somewhat amusing that every interpretation that you disagree with is either a misinterpretation or taken out of historical context.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ ME II – "Jesus on the other hand had only a few, Josephus, tacitus(?), etc., second-hand accounts outside of the Bible itself. None of which support anything but his possible existence, let alone his divinity. Additionally, there was a lot of incentive to fabricate, e.g. power, belief, pride, righteousness, money(?)."

      Jesus had a few 'second-hand accounts' and so did Chris Colum. It all starts with one or two eyewitness accounts and then it snowballs from there. How many accounts do we really need to believe it? and why? Besides, the Bible mentions over 500 eyewitness accounts of Jesus post-resurrection days. And another thing, Jesus' disciples all doubted Jesus right up until they saw Him resurrected, after that mostly all of them were killed for their restored belief in Him, or better put, for finally believing in Him.

      Funny you should state this, because in the entire gospels and the whole new testament, Jesus is portrayed as being poor, restless, no home, no where to stay for the night. He even goes to say that the birds have their nests and the foxes have their dens, but he has no where to rest. He said that it is more possible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter God's kingdom. So, if anyone has made a fortune in God's name, or anyone has murdered, lied and stolen in the name of Christ...according to Christ Himself, he/she is not a true believer.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • YeahRight

      "On what proven fact are you basing your assumption on???"

      It's not an assumption idiot and lying is a sin.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • ME II

      "... the Bible mentions over 500 eyewitness accounts of Jesus post-resurrection days."
      This was mentioned once, by Paul, not a witness himself to anything. Why didn't Matthew, John, Luke, etc. mention 500 eyewitnesses? Why aren't there any accounts by those 500 people?

      If you believe the Bible, then obviously, by definition it is true, but without corroboration, it means little.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ Cq

      Well said man (or woman)! Now that is a good fruitful comment. By the way, I did write that "if I had the time" I would dedicate all y time reading. But of course I don't have all the time in the day to do this. Besides, we not only have to read God's word, we also have to practice it. And there's nothing wrong with sports and such, but anything that you put in place or before God is called idolatry. So even in moderation, we must always put God first. But don't worry, I fall short on this as well. Thank God for Christ.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ ME II – "Why aren't there any accounts by those 500 people?"

      Whaaaaaat? The very reason why we have God's word today is because of them. They have passed it on by word-a-mouth, writing/copying, manuscripts, and throughout the ages some have even lost their lives because of the "passing it on".

      May 11, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Primewonk

      BoldGeorge claims that Dr. Prothero doesn't "have a clue". Dr. Prothero has a PhD in the study of religion from Harvard University. This shows that he has specific education, training, experience, and knowledge about religion at the expert level.

      What we typically see in cases like this, are folks like BolldGeorge making claims that are blatent lies. Folks like BoldGeorge typically claim that actual experts are wrong based on their extremely limited knowledge. It's like claiming you know more about the human heart than a cardiothorasic surgeon at Harvard Medical School because you took a CPR class 20 years ago.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • ME II

      "Jesus had a few 'second-hand accounts' and so did Chris Colum. "

      I don't think letters written by the subject in question would be considered "second-hand". Do you know of any letters written by Jesus Christ?
      Just a quick search, but here's some examples:

      Ti.tle: The Meaning of America
      Author: Christopher Columbus
      Year: 1493
      Type of docu.ment: letter
      http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/docu%5BREMOVE%5Dments/docu%5BREMOVE%5Dments_p2.cfm?doc=193

      The Letter of Columbus to Luis De Sant Angel Announcing His Discovery
      (1493)
      http://www.ushistory.org/docu%5BREMOVE%5Dments/columbus.htm

      Christopher Columbus
      letter to the King and Queen of Spain
      (Undated, Probably 1494)
      http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/D/1400-1500/columbus/brf94.htm

      May 11, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      BoldGeorge,
      "... the Bible mentions over 500 eyewitness accounts of Jesus post-resurrection days."

      An unsubstantiated claim made by Paul of Tarsus. Paul was a salesman... and a PR expert extraordinaire. It's like those ads that say, "More doctors recommend Blahbittyblah". For him, it was "Buy my New and Improved Super Judaism, complete with a magical Savior, and you too can live forever in heavenly bliss".

      May 11, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • ME II

      @BoldGeorge
      "They have passed it on by word-a-mouth, writing/copying, manuscripts, and throughout the ages some have even lost their lives because of the "passing it on"."

      Whaaaat? The only accounts that I'm aware of are those purportedly by the disciples and close associates in the gospels. More specifically that the supposed descriptions of a resurrected Jesus only represent those of the close associates of Jesus, i.e. disciples and some women, that are written in the NT.

      I may be wrong, but where in the Bible, or anywhere else for that matter, are there descriptions/accounts from the other people, supposedly, in that 500?

      May 11, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ Primewonk – "Dr. Prothero has a PhD in the study of religion from Harvard University."

      So did Dr. Kevorkian. He was a pathologist, author, painter, etc. Brilliant mind. What happened to him? So do the many doctors that take an oath to protect and care for life, but some choose to end it even before they are even born (and I'm not just talking about the ones protecting the life of the mom). And so does Stephen Hawkins, brilliant mind and claims that everything can be explained through physics yet his physical condition contrasting it with his brilliancy defy the law of physics.

      In other words, a PhD, a master's degree, a diploma or even a certificate for accomplishing a study does not ordain anyone king of knowledge. Remember, Hitler was a HS drop-out and was able to make millions follow him.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • ME II

      @BoldGeorge,
      If you are interested in more "second-hand" accounts of Christopher Columbus, you can get copies/translations of some of his journals from Amazon:
      "The Journal of Christopher Columbus (during His First Voyage, 1492-93) and Docu.ments Relating to the Voyages of John Cabot and Gaspar Corte Real [Paperback]"
      http://www.amazon.com/Journal-Christopher-Columbus-Docu%5BREMOVE%5Dments-Relating/dp/140219501X

      May 11, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • ME II

      @BoldGeorge,
      You may disagree with Prothero and think he is wrong, but as for him not having "a clue," his education alone would have given him a clue.

      "And so does Stephen Hawkins, brilliant mind and claims that everything can be explained through physics yet his physical condition contrasting it with his brilliancy defy the law of physics."
      What does this even mean? I would think that, if anything, his physical condition would contrast with there being any kind of benevolent god, let alone an omni-whatever kind of Christianity.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Primewonk

      BoldGeorge wrote, " In other words, a PhD, a master's degree, a diploma or even a certificate for accomplishing a study does not ordain anyone king of knowledge."

      Are you really this freaking stupid? Prothero has a PhD in religion from Harvard University. And you, a proven ignorant môron, is claiming superior knowledge of religion?

      You fundiots really are nutters.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ ME II – Do you know of any letters written by Jesus Christ?

      Now, is this the real reason why you (or anyone) won't or don't want to believe...because we have "no" writings written by Jesus Himself? Actually, it's the first time I've heard this. But anyway, let me tell you this: Have you ever read the first chapter of the Gospel of John? Have you ever read the first verse of the first chapter of John :
      John 1:1 – In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, the Word was God.
      John 1:14 – And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
      John 5:46 – "For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me."

      Jesus is what the whole Bible is all about. The entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation all points to Jesus, it speaks of Him, it ....is.....Him. He is the Word incarnate.

      But, he did write something on the sand when they were about to stone the woman. Does that count for anything? 😀

      May 11, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ ME II – "What does this even mean? I would think that, if anything, his physical condition would contrast with there being any kind of benevolent god, let alone an omni-whatever kind of Christianity."

      That is why we need to and I urge you to read, reread, and study the Bible. I've read and continue to read and continue to get more and more blessed information out of this precious manual. You see, if you would notice in Scriptures, God has always used and called as His servants the humble, the weak, the poor, the defiled, the sum of the earth. The Apostle Paul was a christian hunter and killer, but transformed into the total opposite. Why would God have used someone like that? You'll find the reason in Scripture of course.

      Though Mr. Hawkins may be crippled physically, his mind has reached far more than my mind would ever reach in two lifetimes. This I can acknowledge. He has been a great scientific contribution, but unfortunately he has gone above and beyond and because of that has forgotten or "missed" his purpose. And that is the basics of the fallenness of man (and woman)...we miss God's purpose for his creation, that includes us.

      May 11, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ ME II

      By the way, believe it or not, I do appreciate your replies and comments. They are reasonable and important questions/arguments you put out.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "But, he did write something on the sand when they were about to stone the woman. Does that count for anything? "

      Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states, let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her. The crowd dissipates out of shame. That story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. It was added by later scribes. The story is not found in the oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Bryan

      Me ii you have a problem in your logic. There was no incentive to create a religion that caused you to go to your death. Martyr's make terrible liars. There are more sources than Josephus and Tacitus btw. Even the most liberal and atheistic scholars conclude that Jesus' death and burial are I refutable historical fact.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • ME II

      @BoldGeorge,
      non-sequitors and red-herrings...

      "Now, is this the real reason why you (or anyone) won't or don't want to believe...because we have "no" writings written by Jesus Himself?"
      Obvioulsy, not. That was one line in a posting about historical evidence. A posting which you didn't answer, by the way. Are you willing to accept that there is substantially more evidence, in both quanti.ty and quality, for the existence of Christopher Columbus than there is for Jesus? If not, then we are most likely at greater odds, than is addressable here.

      " And that is the basics of the fallenness of man (and woman)...we miss God's purpose for his creation, that includes us."
      ...or, there is no God-given purpose and no creator. It seems odd to me how the va.garies of nature can justify Hawking's situtation, as well as every other case of phyisical disability, but God has to present such things as... what? ... character building? ... spiritual trial?

      Back to momoya's question, however, is there a test sufficient to determine the accuracy/authenticity of "God's word" and it's veracity? The John quote seems insufficient to me, in that anyone can claim, "Jesus Christ has come in the flesh."

      May 11, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ ME II

      Then that is the heart of the issue here, that the word of God is insufficient for you. That's nothing new by the way. The people back then that saw Christ in the flesh performing miracles and all, it was still insufficient for them. The problem with unbelievers is this: to some, no amount of evidence will make an unbeliever believe. I submit to you this: By believing and trusting the Word of God, He will make Himself evident to you.

      And by the way, let me tell you one of the many reasons why I believe and trust the Bible. The word of God is painfully truthful. It is not sugar-coated, white-washed and marketed in a way to attract people by appealing to our senses. It shows us the negative, the vulnerability and fallenness of mankind and the need for God as our redeemer. I believe the number one reason why mankind cannot see God's truth is because of human pride.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • momoya

      @BoldGeorge

      Because, George, if the bible did provide a method of testing doctrines and demonstrably a.ssessing the "most correct" view then all christians would have a measurable standard that could not be argued with.. You don't, as is demonstrated by every single separate cult, denomination, belief-set that a.ssumes the christian banner..
      `
      `
      You said *The Bible, aside from it being a guide to God's kingdom is for exactly that, to provide a method, a way for believers to differentiate and test the spirits of doctrines to see if they are of God. Scriptures contain loads of information to spot false teachers and doctrines. I suggest you read Scriptures but with the openness to 'seek'.*

      The sheer billions of people who call themselves christian yet completely disagree with your interpretations prove otherwise.. If it was discoverable as you claim that others would have found it before you.. If you have a sure-fire way to settle all doctrinal disputes then you really need to be working with all your christian brothers and sisters who disagree with your a.ssessment of how to judge scripture and doctrine.
      `
      `
      *- 1 John 4:1 – Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.*

      How? By what method does a christian "test the spirits?". And this method...can anyone do it and get the exact same result?. Or is it all just still, small voices in your head that can't be objectively verified?
      `
      `
      *- Ephesians 4:14 – so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.*

      So far it doesn't seem to be working out so well, huh?
      `
      `
      *- 2 Timothy 3:16 – All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness...*

      Maybe so, but you have no demonstrable method by which to establish a hierarchy of precepts.. Without such a method you're just shooting in the dark.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • momoya

      I think that there is no greater pride than that of a person who claims to know the will of god above all others when god can't even be proved as a valid hypothesis.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • ME II

      @Bryan,
      "There was no incentive to create a religion that caused you to go to your death."
      Actully people do confess, inaccurately, to things that might get them killed, e.g. John Mark Karr. I think there were quite a few false confessions to the Lindbergh kidnapping and the Black Dahlia. I think someone was executed for the Lindbergh kidnapping. A "martyr complex" is not just an epithet.

      As to martyrs being terrible liars, do the martyrs for other religions validate their own religion too? Suicide/hom.ocide bombers come to mind.

      May 11, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • ME II

      @BoldGeorge,
      "Then that is the heart of the issue here, that the word of God is insufficient for you."
      This is the essence of a begging-the-question logical fallacy. The very question we were discussing was how to verify what is and is not the "word of God." By stating that the "word of God" is insufficient for me, you are begging the acceptence of that which is in question, i.e. what is the "word of God".

      "The problem with unbelievers is this: to some, no amount of evidence will make an unbeliever believe."
      The problem with believers is this: to some, no evidence amounts to belief.

      "I believe the number one reason why mankind cannot see God's truth is because of human pride."
      Isn't it equally valid to think that, the number one reason why mankind *thinks it sees* God's truth is because of human pride?

      I think you are right however that belief in God boils down to faith, or "By believing and trusting the Word of God, He will make Himself evident to you." Apparently, God hasn't given me enough faith. Who's to blame for that?

      Peace to all.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Cq

      BoldGeorge
      You're not admitting, however, that religion can be taken too far, which is part of what I was arguing.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ momoya – "The sheer billions of people who call themselves christian yet completely disagree with your interpretations prove otherwise."

      First thing, because millions (or billions–quanti.ties here don't matter) disagree or better yet, agree on something, that does not make something provable or unproven. Throughout human history, thousands and thousands have agreed to many immoral things, especially in modern times with WWII. Did that prove that people were less human or deserved to be taken out as a people in the name of religion, God or gods or whatever? There is a chance millions (even billions) can be wrong at one time. How about when everyone at one point thought that the world was flat? Did that 'prove' that the world was indeed flat?

      Many people who call themselves "Christians" but don't preach Bible accuracy are misleading many (they are called false prophets). And by the way, I am not the only one who believes the way I do. There are many others but in essence we are a few, that much I give you, but then again look at what the bible says:

      Matthew 7:13 – “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many."
      Matthew 22:14 – For many are called, but few are chosen.”

      Those who truly seek Him will find Him. He definitely wants us to come to the knowledge of His salvation, that much you can count on. It's not easy I can tell you that, but then again, what is? PRIDE is the barrier that does not let us get close to God.

      – 1 Timothy 2: 3,4 – ...God our Savior...who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

      – Ti.tu.s 1:1 – ...for the sake of the faith of God's elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness...

      – Psalm 10:4 – In the PRIDE of his face the wicked does not seek him; all his thoughts are, “There is no God.”

      May 11, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ Cq

      Of course religion can be taken too far, I totally agree but Christ (who scorned the religious elite) can take YOU far...so far that you will be able to touch heaven (even live in it if you really want to). Christ is life, not religion. If I were to be religious, I would not have Christ. Jesus Christ is life to me. Religion is what gets you into trouble with God. That's why there is not one religion in this world. But there is only one God. Don't let the world fool you into thinking all "roads" go to heaven.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • momoya

      @ BolGeorge

      You claim that the bible has a discernible master code that unlocks all its meaning.. The fact that christians don't agree with you or your interpretations is proof that the code you hypothesize is not as easily seen as you claim.. Like in any other area of your religion, you've been trained by your pastors as to the correct response that doesn't really provide any meaningful discussion.. You believers can't have it both ways like you continually pretend.. Any believer in any god can use your arguments–that's how you know they're worthless.. Any believer can claim that the "true way of worship" has been corrupted.. Any believer can claim that their god gets all the praise and glory for the good things but none of the blame and fault for bad things by whatever nifty word-gymnastics that get you there..

      Anybody can play your little game of dodgeball because all it takes is the willingness to be intellectually dishonest.. Like the believers of other gods, if you always give your belief an excuse for why it can't be demonstrated and why it is correct even though 99% of other believers don't agree, then you'll always stay trapped in your own delusional universe–unable to critically think about your entire world view and only able to think critically when it comes to business matters and purchasing decisions.. The point is, you wouldn't but the sh!t you're selling unless it was brainwashed into you to be beyond critical reproach..

      Basically, you accept Christianity on evidence that you would disavow if it were for ANY OTHER BELIEF, and you know it.. It's why you continue to come back and argue on these boards.. You crave honest insight where you have restricted your own.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • phoodphite

      @BoldGeorge: I completely disagree on your points about what makes a Christian. This is one of the main reasons wars have been fought in the name of "Christianity". Even if one is an atheist, they can see the value in Jesus' message – a message that was constantly misunderstood, even by his closest followers. So even as a Christian, I laugh (but sadly) whenever I see someone use words from any of the apostles to make a point. They were just as evil as the rest of us. They couldn't stay away from preaching disenfranchising details that Jesus warned them over and over about. Keep it simple – love one another as I have loved you. What? He meant everyone – are you kidding me??? Well yes.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Cq

      BoldGeorge
      So, OTHER religions can be taken too far, but anyone believing in Christ as YOU do (which is still religion, no matter how hard you argue otherwise) can never take their beliefs too far. Is that how you see it?

      May 12, 2012 at 11:56 am |
  13. Reality

    Beyond TV and onto the nitty-gritty of h-omose-xuality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS–

    "Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.

    To wit:

    o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:

    “ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "

    "Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8

    See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”

    Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions are supposed to obey the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.

    And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-s-ex unions not same-s-ex marriages.

    From below, on top, backwards, forwards, from this side of the Moon and from the other side too, gay se-xual activity is still mutual masturbation caused by one or more complex se-xual differences. Some differences are visually obvious in for example the complex maleness of DeGeneres, Billy Jean King and Rosie O'Donnell.

    Yes, heteros-exuals practice many of the same "moves" but there is never a doubt who is the female and who is the male

    May 11, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      @ Reality – ""Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race."

      Here's some reality for you. If we go with this concept, then we can say that God created thieves, liars, murderers, cheaters, etc. We are all born with a sinful nature. Remember, you don't have to teach a child to do something wrong, he will do it almost instinctively. That is called our sin nature. But, should we let a child continue to steal, continue to lie, continue to stir-up craftiness in his heart against his/her parents so they can get what they want??? Of course not, but that is precisely what our society is allowing to happen. Right before our eyes we are seeing rebelliousness and lawlessness creeping up right in front of us under the banner called "tolerance".

      May 11, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • Cq

      BoldGeorge
      God supposedly also created left-handed people too, but they were forced to use their right hands for centuries because of some biblically-based superst.ition that preferring your left was a sign of being evil. The behaviors you list are not innate qualities like orientation. The majority of people are not attracted to those of their gender. It just amazes me that there are still people like you out there who do not see this.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • WASP

      @BG: ok god created us in his image,correct? so you're pretty much telling god he made a mistake when he created h.om.ose.xuals. if he did the work to create everything how he wanted it, and mind you he stated "and it was good", he created gays the way he wanted them. so how can you tell an all powerful all knowing creature that he made a mistake creating gays by refusing to see them as equals. interesting, i wonder what his take is on that? lmao the failure of america as being criminal ridden is due to a collapse in the community, not in the individual. wise old saying "it takes a village to raise a child" but how can you trust the people in your village when you see all these other horrible things happening?

      May 11, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      "it takes a village to raise a child"

      But it takes many children to make up a village. Raise that child and many others in the ways of the Lord and their ways will be righteous.

      May 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
  14. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    I find it disturbing that Prothero watches Glee.

    May 11, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • BRC

      And from the detail in this article, he doesn't just catch while he's doing chores, or waiting for something else to come on. He WATCHES it. I'll never understand why people do.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • ME II

      Agreed.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:41 am |
  15. catholic engineer

    Openly and obviously gay people have been present on TV for quite awhile now. And The New York Times is just now reporting it? The NYT doesn't report everything, though. During the priest pedo scandal, the Times challenged the New York archdiocese to make public all its files on its priests. THe Church said, "Okay. We will if you open the files on your employees." Predictably, the Times refused. Predictably, the Times reported only that the church refused.

    May 11, 2012 at 9:55 am |
    • momoya

      Who wouldn't try that tactic when dealing with the New York Times?!?

      And FVCK the RCC for not opening their files and asking for help combing through it from every single Christian who loves God and wants to get rid of such horrific pedo behavior in the church!!

      If the RCC really cared about good and god they'd not hide their pedo problem but demonstrably hate it and expose their own workers and priests before the news or anybody else found out about it.. What a disgusting organization!!

      May 11, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @momoya We in this culture are at the complete mercy of our media. It constantly tells half the truth. Here is another fact you won't hear in the media: 1% of RCC priests are responsible for 80% of the pedo cases.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @momoya "What a disgusting organization". No. "What a disgusting handling of the scandal by the bishops in question" People are rightfully outraged by the scandal. But people inside the church are both outraged and betrayed. Jesus had twelve apostles and one turned out to be the traitor Judas. In the church today, we have some Judases. But the good work of the "other eleven" isn't material that would sell newspapers.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • Primewonk

      @catholic engineer – we all recognize that all groupings of people will have some individuals who are pedophiles. Your priesthood may have a slightly higher rate than other groups because the intense unnatural sèxual repression you demand.

      And it's not so much that you have pedophile priests – which is terrible – but that you have this huge cover-up going on. Protecting and sheltering these folks, allowing them to move and violate again and again. With the cover-up going all the way up in your leadership.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • momoya

      Primewonk nailed it.. The RCC is disgusting for a lot of reasons, but one of the foremost is its willingness to cover up the scandal rather than fling open wide their doors and invite law enforcement and other private organizations to help them root out the negative elements within them.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • Sue

      @catholic engineer
      I don't get it. Why would the New York Times "predictably" want to keep their files closed, and where did you get this story from?

      May 11, 2012 at 11:13 am |
  16. Russ

    A caricature is not an accurate representation – much less a favorable one.
    The writers of these shows seem to know their own positions well, but not their opponents.
    It's rare to find more than a weak, soundbite representation of Christian thought that is quickly dismissed (just like the example you gave above with shellfish – as if there's not an easy response).

    It's sad when Ned Flanders is the only long-tenured evangelical character operating with any level of integrity on network TV. And he is SATIRE.

    Again, caricature is not "coming out." Why is Hollywood so scared of honest, thoughtful dialogue?

    May 11, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • momoya

      No.. There are "christians" with every sort of weird belief, habit, or lifestyle there is.. Just a few weeks in the bible belt will confirm that any "caricature" Hollywood might offer represents a sizable group of those who claim to be christian..

      If Christians don't act consistently and are as individual as the next person (except for their obsession with a few 'biblical principles' they were taught in a Sunday school lesson at age five), then that's how Hollywood must portray them.. If christians had the jesus-magic that helped them be better people and allowed them to work miracles (healing the sick and raising the dead) then they'd be portrayed that way, but they don't, so Hollywood doesn't.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • Cq

      Ned Flanders may be largely satire, but he is still the most likeable evangelical character on TV. I'd be happy to have him as my neighbor! 🙂

      May 11, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • Russ

      @ CQ: thanks for illustrating my point. Even though Flanders is a caricature, he's the closest thing to a positive representation of genuine evangelicalism there is on television – and that's not exactly favorable.

      @ momoya: i'm not claiming Christianity is completely monolithic, but evangelicals are virtually unanimous that the Bible prohibits this. and there are complex, thoughtful conversations here that should follow. to dismiss so shallowly is similar to people saying "Why can't everyone in the Middle East just get along?" It doesn't help the conversation to make straw men arguments – IF the real goal is honest dialogue. But that's a seriously questionable IF...

      May 11, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • momoya

      @Russ

      Way to miss the point.. If Christians are so extremely diverse as to only be recognizable by what they claim they are in some invisible realm then why shouldn't Hollywood show one flavor out of the many?

      Your hypocrisy is rich, too.. You want to generalize "Hollywood" as having a central motive to ignore the dialogue you wish to see, but you don't want a T.V. studio to generalize about shallow Christians.. How about you stop generalizing before you ask others to do so?

      May 11, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Russ

      @ momoya: Hollywood can feel free to show the diversity of Christians – and we are certainly all too often worthy of the mocking we receive.

      however (and this IS my point), it is not generalizing to notice that there are virtually no representations of evangelicals in a positive light. That is consp.icuously absent. SO... either one believes there are no positive virtues of evangelicals to be faithfully represented on tv – OR (as i think is obviously the case) there is a purposefully omission occurring.

      Hollywood is diverse – but evidently not in its depiction of evangelicals.
      That is not a hypocritical generalization. That's simply paying attention.

      May 11, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • momoya

      Evangelicals don't ever exist in a positive light, so why would Hollywood show that?!?!? That's like a NAMBLA member complaining that priests are never congratulated in the news for realizing that proper s3xual relations are between middle-aged men and young children.

      May 11, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • Russ

      @ momoya: and there it is. the end of rational discourse.
      so you openly admit that it's your hatred for evangelicals that makes you want to see them categorically cast in a bad light...
      but let's not call that journalism.

      i'm sorry you were mistreated by Christians when you left the faith, momoya. you should not have been.
      but simply to reciprocate is equally misguided & enslaving (into a life of bitterness).

      May 12, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • momoya

      @Russ

      I don't hate evangelicals, and in fact, they're my favorite flavor of christian.. They're typically very forthright and honest and they don't try to dodge the stupid sh!t that they believe.. They own it, and I respect that.. If you've ever seen episodes of the "Big Bang Theory," you know that Sheldon's mother is a young-earth creationist.. On that show, I think she is shown in a very positive light, even though the evangelical dynamic is stupid as possible.

      Don't assume that somebody "hates" something that they are critical of.. That's a stupid assumption that more diligent posters would not make.. Stop being infantile.

      May 12, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Russ

      @ momoya: help me out then. you said "evangelicals don't ever exist in a positive light." if that's not hate, that's about as strong of dislike as one can have.

      i don't equate criticism with hatred – but unqualified, hyperbolic criticism has to come from somewhere. it's not infantile to notice a disproportionate response & draw a connection.

      May 12, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • momoya

      @Russ

      Yes, I said that evangelicals don't ever exist in a positive light.. I meant that evangelicals are one-dimensional characters–fanaticism isn't about a plot of a story, it's about fanaticism.. That's what fanatics do: they make everything about their obsession.. It doesn't have anything to do with hate; it has to do with being a fanatical freak.. Just because I criticize something doesn't mean that I hate it.. Don't be so childishly general in your a.ssumptions.

      May 14, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • Russ

      @ momoya: a caricature is taking one aspect of someone's character & exaggerating it – making them "one dimensional."

      and once you've done that, you can mock them for doing things even you yourself do – but then you give yourself a pass because, after all, you view yourself as 3-dimensional. so, when you do the same sorts of things, you make an exception for yourself because 'hey, i'm deeper than that; i'm not a fanatic.' it's a cheap way to dodge one's own hypocrisy (telling yourself: my fanaticism is not like theirs; I'm more *sophisticated* than they are).

      as i said before, criticism doesn't equate to hatred. but hyperbolic criticism – by definition – forgets the realities of one's opponents, making them less than what they really are... which, in your own words, is exactly what you're doing: making 3-dimensional people into "1-dimensional" objects worthy of derision. you wouldn't stand for your opponents to do that to you, but somehow it's ok for you to do it to them? if anything, I'd hope that realization would help you begin to see the extremity of your own fanaticism.

      there are few things more hateful than refusing to acknowledge the full personhood of those with whom you're interacting. it's dehumanizing – not to mention a cheap way to avoid substantive debate.

      May 15, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
  17. Doc Vestibule

    I'd like to see a character on prime time TV who is o na quest to become an Operating Thetan. His struggle with the influence of the Galactic Overlord Xenu during the trials and tribulation of his teenage years would help de-stigmatize Scientology and is something I'm sure the majority of American teens can relate to.

    May 11, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Cq

      Scientology has too many believers in the TV industry to ever get a realistic Scientology character on a series, or don't you remember that South Park episode controversy? The Simpsons won't touch it either what with Bart's voice actor, Nancy Cartwright, being Scientologist. They have control over the media, so you'd sooner see a realistic evangelical character in a Left Behind movie.

      May 11, 2012 at 10:28 am |
  18. momoya

    I agree.. Christianity should be treated like an alternative lifestyle both on television shows and in real life.

    May 11, 2012 at 9:34 am |
    • catholic engineer

      Genuine, not cultural, Christianity is about radical love. In that sense it has always been an alternative lifestyle.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • momoya

      ce

      There's no method found in the bible or anywhere else that would objectively verify whether someone is a "genuine" christian or not.. You guys have no way to tell if someone is or isn't a "christian," so you have to believe everyone who says that they are is.. As long as you can't prove which sect of christianity is closest to "the truth," it's just opinion versus opinion versus scripture interpretation versus scripture interpretation.. It's not like math where you can prove that one method works and another doesn't, so you're stuck accepting everyone as christian who claims to be.

      May 11, 2012 at 9:55 am |
  19. Youth in Asia

    Laughable. "Real" Christian struggles? Were not in a Muslim nation here. I love the delusion of Christian oppression in the US. What a joke. Christian struggles consists of how to justify their non existent god with circular reasoning and figuring out what group they will try to with hold civil liberties from.

    May 11, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • Bryan

      The only circular logic I hear comes from atheists. There is zero need for circular logic in Christianity.

      May 11, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • BRC

      @Bryan,
      Don't suppose you have an example of this circular atheist logic? The Christian circular logic is obvious- "the Bible is true because it says it is, here are the passages". That is the perfect example of circular logic, what's yours?

      May 11, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  20. God

    First!

    May 11, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      In the beginning there was God?

      May 11, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • Youth in Asia

      I am man made my son....everyone knows this.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • ME II

      In the beginning (of the comments section) God said, "Let there be light..." cola drinks... and all was good.

      May 11, 2012 at 11:16 am |
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