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Actor Samuel Larsen, second from left, on "The Glee Project."
May 11th, 2012
08:54 AM ET

My Take: Gays are coming out on TV. Christians are, too

Editor's Note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "God is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions that Run the World," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

The New York Times reports this week that gays and lesbians are now commonplace on hit television shows. But Christians are coming out of the closet and onto our television sets, too.

“Glee” may feature a gay couple (Kurt and Blaine), a lesbian couple (Santana and Brittany), and a transgender character (Unique), but it also includes the God Squad, a group of Christians that meet in school and struggle with the demands of their faith.

On the first season of “The Glee Project,” a reality show that trolls for talent to feature on “Glee,” actor Samuel Larsen won a seven-episode role in part because of a tattoo on his chest quoting from Psalm 18 (“I will love thee O Lord my strength”). Larsen, who also sports long dreadlocks, obviously has that elusive “it” factor, but one reason he won "The Glee Project" was that "Glee" executive producer Ryan Murphy wanted to feature a Christian character on the show.

Larsen’s character, transfer student (and former home schooler) Joe Hart, debuted on the "Heart" episode on Valentine’s Day, and since then he has been the “Christian guy” - aka "Teen Jesus" - at William McKinley High.

In that episode, the God Squad raises money by performing singing telegrams at $10 a pop, but when Santana (Naya Rivera) asks them to sing for her girlfriend Brittany (Heather Morris), Joe balks and a discussion about the Bible and homosexuality ensues.

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Mercedes (Amber Riley) calculates that since “one out of every ten people are gay . . . one of the twelve apostles might have been gay.” Sam (Chord Overstreet) observes that “the Bible says it’s an abomination for a man to lay with another man,” prompting Quinn (Dianna Agron) go ask, “Do you know what else the Bible says is an abomination? Eating lobster, planting different crops in the same field, giving somebody a proud look. Not an abomination? Slavery. Jesus never said anything about gay people. That’s a fact.”

Matt Philbin at the Media Research Center cites this episode as an example of the liberal “crusade against faith,” characterizing “Glee” for “attacking the Bible while pushing the gay agenda.

I have a different take. I think it’s about time that Christian characters are showing up on television shows. I think it’s great that these characters are portrayed as flesh-and-blood people who struggle with their faith like the young Christians I know who struggle with theirs. And I think it’s amazing that characters on one of the most popular shows on television are actually discussing the Bible!

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In a more recent episode, called “Dance With Somebody,” Joe gets into another conversation about how to live as a Christian. He has fallen for Quinn while helping her rehabilitate from a car crash, and he’s trying to reconcile what his teenage body says about sex with what the Bible says.

In the boys locker room, Sam tells him to go for it, arguing that you can be a good Christian and a sexual person at the same time. But Joe isn’t so sure he should give in to temptation. And when he hints in a conversation with Quinn that he would give up his Christian faith in order to be her boyfriend, Quinn tells him no. “It’s nice knowing there’s something out there that can’t be lost," she says.

I’m not saying Joe is everybody’s idea of a good Christian. But out there in the real world in actual U.S. high schools there are all sorts of people who fall somewhere between chaste born-again Christians who see holding hands as a gateway drug to illicit sex and frisky secular humanists who spend more time hooking up than doing their homework.

Let's see more of Joe Hart on "Glee," I say, and more of real Christians (and their struggles) on network television.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Entertainment • Homosexuality • Sexuality • Teens • United States

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  1. James PDX

    As I've said before, a perfect, all-knowing, all-powerful being gets things right the first time. He doesn't make imperfect beings, he doesn't then kill all of them off except one family who brings back the human race through mass incest, he doesn't then reboot his entire religion where everything that was right before is now wrong. The God Christians claim to follow would get it right the first time, yet the Bible(s) say he's on at least his 3rd full scale attempt with mankind. So if your god isn't perfect, all-powerful and all-knowing, why would you claim he is and follow him with absolute faith?

    May 12, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Chris

      James,

      You have to prove that He has made a mistake in any way. That would have to be step one of your argument. You haven't proven that. You haven't even presented any evidence toward that end. Your intentional corruption of the biblical events only demonstrates your own prejudice and intentions.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • wolfpackbob

      The central tenet of Christianity is clear and very simple, love thy neighbor as thyself. Anyone can chose to adhere to that philosophy, Christians and Jews and Moslems and atheists. Atheists do not have a problem with that philosphy and are as likely to anyone to accept and try their best to follow that as their daily code. We all fail at that effort to some degree everyday, and this blog stream is testament to that, including myself. But atheists are not bitterly antagonistic towards those of other faiths as a means to find comfort and confidence with their non-faith. Unfortunately, those who are attacking Christianity here are posing as atheists, when in fact they have an entirely different axe to grind. Peace.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Jacob

      Chris, have you ever actually read the Bible?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • James PDX

      Chris, let's assume God could create perfect beings to be his companions immediately. That shouldn't be a stretch since I know you'll accede that he is perfect and all-powerful. That given, you are saying that waiting thousands or more years for those perfect beings, meanwhile subjecting their race to misery, pain and death, often at your own hands, is a superior means to your end. If you choose an option that leads to such suffering and death over one which does not yet gets the same results, it can only be one of two things.
      A) A mistake
      B) Because you wanted people to suffer pain, loss, and death needlessly.

      So which is it? Is your God routinely fallible, or is he an evil sadist?

      Heck, we could even move forward and start with God's giant eraser, the flood. People who don't make mistakes don't need erasers.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
  2. louisrichards

    KISMIF (for the morons): America is not a Theocracy. Sacred views should have no voice in lawful matters of Civil Rights.

    May 12, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
  3. The King

    Come on "Christians", are you going to vote for a guy who believes his underwear has magic powers? Who believes the garden of eden was in Missouri? If you truly love republican jesus, YOU WILL NOT!!!

    May 12, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Chris

      King,

      All sincere Christians recognize that their greatest offense to the LORD is their support for the mass murder of the only truly innocent people on the planet, babies. What is the sacred cause for the murder of all these babies? Their existence might potentially inconvenience someone. No arguments. Killing is killing. This is much worse than killing.

      This is murder of innocent babies, that you intentionally vote for, every single time you vote for a Democrat.

      Christians can certainly vote for Democrats. But, in doing so, they affirm that they're knowingly putting that blood on their hands. Don't think that blood of those tens of millions of innocent babies screams out to God?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • James PDX

      Chris, I don't think it does, because God doesn't exist. An all powerful and all knowing God would know that babies would be aborted and would even know exactly who would do it. Yet that alleged God created all of those who had abortions knowing what they would do in advance. God, therefore, is more responsible for the murders of babies than any Democrat on the planet. And that's not even counting all of the Babies he aborted in Sodom and Gommorrah.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  4. Mike P

    What's sad is that there are ready answers for what the Glee kids ask:

    1) "Do you know what else the Bible says is an abomination? Eating lobster, planting different crops in the same field, giving somebody a proud look." With regard to the food laws, God only says, "These foods shall be an abomination *to you*," as in, "There's nothing wrong with these, but I want you to treat them as if they're disgusting," whereas with regard to gay relations God says, "It *is* abomination," no need for pretense. As for giving someone a proud look, that comes from this passage:

    Proverbs 6:16-19 - ​These six things the LORD hates, yes, seven are an abomination to Him: a proud look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that are swift in running to evil, a false witness who speaks lies, and one who sows discord among brethren.

    Even if these abominations are not death penalty offenses in the Old Testament (as gay relations are), are any of them what any of us today, or throughout history for that matter, would consider right and good things? And if the same Hebrew word for "abomination" is used to refer to gay relations, what does that say about God's view of gay relations?

    May 12, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Mike P

      2) "Not an abomination? Slavery." That's because in both OT and NT times, slavery was as omnipresent and accepted as minimum wage laws are today. And being taken into slavery was sometimes better than the alternatives (e.g., death, poverty, imprisonment). To give some perspective, it was less than 300 years ago that *any* major movement to end slavery as a legitimate enterprise came into existence, and this mainly on account of influences from Christianity and the writers of the Enlightenment era.

      3) "Jesus never said anything about gay people. That’s a fact." What is also a fact is that Jesus clearly defined marriage to be between one man and one woman: "Have you not read that in the beginning God 'made man male and female' and 'for this reason, a man leaves father and mother and cleaves to his wife, and the two become one flesh'?" Here Jesus says that not only is marriage for a man and a woman only, but that it is only because human beings are divided into two groups - male and female - that marriage exists in the first place. It is for the purpose of bringing a male/female pair together and recapitulating the whole human race through their example (not to meaning uniting them as "one flesh" to bring forth children) that we have marriage.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • James PDX

      Sure, Mike, but God plays favorites, and is a hypocrite and a mass murderer, not to mention he lacks real wisdom and understanding of human nature. That's just not my kind of God.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Ryan Evans

      I can understand that this is the line of reasoning you need to tell yourself in order to not look in the mirror and see a bigoted, self centered fool... but do you really need to share it with all of us? keep it to yourself.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Jacob

      "I can understand that this is the line of reasoning you need to tell yourself in order to not look in the mirror and see a bigoted, self centered fool"

      Why do followers of the Prince of Peace so often sound this way?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
  5. cinman

    Christians are the least tolerant. They claim to follow the teachings of Jesus but will step on anyone who does not conform.They have never shied from using violence. Religion in politics has always been a disaster throughout history.

    May 12, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • GAW

      You might want to do some research before you post. Not all Christians are intolerant. Many liberal Christians have been champions in the fight for civil rights and the rights for gays to marry.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • Jacob

      I wouldn't generalize it that much. There are plenty of good humble xtian people, but xtianity does encourage extreme arrogance. It's a belief system that leads people to believe that they are "saved" and anyone disagrees with them is "lost". They believe they are "forgiven" for any transgression they choose to partake in, but think those who do not follow their religion are part of the "unforgiven" even if they've never chosen to do anything half as vile and immoral as their xtian neighbors. They have no trouble quoting their scriptures left and right to justify all sorts of bigotry but when anyone else quotes their scripture they dismiss it by saying, "even Satan can quote scripture." Many of them are simply weak and in need of the crutch of xtianity. Nothing wrong with using a crutch if you need one, unless you choose to beat people with it instead.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • GAW

      What disturbs me the most is that many of the atheists who post comments here show the characteristics of intolerance towards any ideology other than their own. But I wouldn't come to the conclusion that their approach is true of all atheists.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Jacob

      Seems a rather hasty conclusion considering "no atheists here" has commented on any ideology other than yours.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  6. matt houston

    A gay person who believes in the Bible world view is just asking for a hard time in life. Something very funny about Christianity in general. They decry animal sacrifice, but their god really loved the smell of the burning animals in former days. They say that the Devil is bad and can't be changed while their god supposedly changed himself by stopping the animal sacrifices...their god changes his mind over and over again, yet the Devil is just a one dimensional character. Even if the Devil is one dimensional, he is still necessary in their religion since with no adversary, their would be no vehicle for spiritual development. If the Devil didn't exist to tempt humans, it would get a bit tricky in terms of theological explanation of sin, original sin, hell, etc...

    All in all it is just a bunch of hogwash originating from a primitive middle eastern group of people and the religion has changed so much to accomodate new traditions and cultures...it's laughable.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • Doobie Doobie Doo

      The only way you can comment on the Bible is if you put it in context. Atheists love to pull individual sentences to prove their point, but you miss the reason. If you were really interested in learning about the Bible and what i means you would be attending some kind of class.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • wolfpackbob

      So this story is all about your hatred towards Christianity and your self-worship of your own divinity? You seem to be as pre-occupied with your capitalized "the Devil", (four times) as the Church Lady?

      May 12, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • James PDX

      Doobie, I find more often it's Christians who pull specific passages to try to prove their point and avoid all of the passages that seem to disprove it or which refer to laws they find inconvenient to follow, which is commonly called Christian cherry picking.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Jacob

      The changing god is due to the fact that there were many different generations of people writing the Bible, all from different backgrounds. In the earliest stories God is walking and talking like a regular human with Adam and Even. Then for several hundred years he shows up only in the form of fire or a cloud, never in human form, and of course only to a select few. Then he starts talking only through the prophets. Then at some point, around the time that virgin birth stories and half-man/half god stories were really popular in the middle east, he decides to impregnate a young girl and become human again, very briefly. Then he turns it back over to the priests to deliver his message for several hundred years. In our current touchy feely world, he's now having "personal relationships" with his followers, and now they've all become experts on God's will, although he seems to be sending out different messages to different people. You got to give him credit, he really knows how to play to his demographic.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • louisrichards

      Let's not forget that Christianity is also based upon a blood sacrifice, human not aminal, and embraces cannibalism. The "micacle" of transubstantiation actually transforms the bread & water into the real body & blood). SICK!!!

      May 12, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • durandal

      "If the Devil didn't exist to tempt humans, it would get a bit tricky in terms of theological explanation of sin, original sin, hell, etc..."

      Free will.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • momoya

      @Doobie

      You can find Christians who agree on every single point of biblical doctrine ever conceived; thus, it has nothing at all to do with "context," but merely opinion.. If there were a "correct way" to interpret scripture, bible thumpers would have figured it out by now.. They can't, because the bible provides NO METHOD of self-checking to ensure the proper "interpretation.". Besides, the more "context" you include the stupider and stupider it sounds.

      May 12, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  7. David Ouellette

    Well, someone's understanding is limited...........now go away and bark and bite with the other Pit Bulls.......

    May 12, 2012 at 11:36 am |
  8. Suppo

    People who bash Christianity annoy me, as just about every one of them have no true understanding of The New Testament. People will reference terrible events like the Crusades or mention something like The Bible is a man-made device to keep order and control....

    Please... If anyone here actually read The Bible instead of living off hear-say, they would understand that The Bible is the most rebellious book every written. Just because people claim to be Christians don't make them real Christians. It's a way of life – a way to be free from all the desires and wants of bs.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • marcus

      i'm not sure i get your point.. you say you're annoyed by people who critique the bible but don't understand the new testament.. well, the new testament is only HALF the bible.. so, to put it plainly, the bible is a book that, if correct, defines a god who is a violent, illogical, hypocritical, abusive being.. then comes the new testament, and christians say their god is about love.. yet, the bible ends with the most horrific violent book of all, revelation.. so, in the end, your god is the same horrible being it was in the beginning.. doing things most christians would expect of the character they call satan...

      May 12, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • El Flaco

      I have only read the Bible cover-to-cover once. I read the New Testament twice more. Here are the conclusions I have come to:

      Most of Christian theology is an effort to make sense out of nonsense.

      The original teaching of Jesus had entirely to do with enticing God to come to earth, establish His kingdom on earth and throw out the Romans. Jesus fully expected God to do just that when he entered Jerusalem in his mock parade. Jesus had absolutely no interest in non-Jews and no interest in Gentiles at all. He must have been more surprised than anyone when he was summarily executed. Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian, and Jesus would spurn Christianity if he was still alive.

      Then the first Christians taught that Jesus was returning within the lifetimes of those who had known him, and Christianity became a religion of piously waiting for the Kingdom of God on Earth. After a few centuries that idea wore out. It became clear that He was not coming back.

      Then Constantine got sick of all the debating so he ordered a Bible assembled and a church established, so Christianity became Catholicism – a whole new faith with startling new concepts like the infallibility of the Pope, the trinity, salvation through membership, etc.

      Then, Martin Luther got sick of Catholicism so we got Protestantism, which is a watered-down, disorganized version of Catholicism. Eternal life had to be earned by being a good, spiritual person, though no two Protestants can agree on what kind of person is a good, spiritual person.

      Then, Protestantism morphed into televangelism where ministers learned how to really make the celestial cash register ring for them. They don't handle serpents any more, but they cast out imaginary demons and heal the healthy bodies of their hired shills.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:50 am |
  9. camp

    "A great civilization is not conqured from without until it has destroyed itself within" Will Durant Historian

    May 12, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • El Flaco

      But Rome did not fall until after it became a Christian empire. Why is that?

      May 12, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • camp

      Perhaps it outlived its purose in the evolutionary sense

      May 12, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • El Flaco

      Then Durant was wrong.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • camp

      Curious how is Durant's statement wrong?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • camp

      what is a more accurate statement?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • camp

      How is a great civilization destroyed then?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • camp

      Like the Mayans, etc?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • camp

      Yeah just what I thought, easy to say something is wrong and walk away, a whole lot harder to answerr the question, defending what you understand without a prosaic explecative>>>>>>>>>>

      May 12, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
  10. yannaes

    Bob> Your understanding is very limited as to the context, but you are forgiven. God loves you!

    May 12, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • hmm

      Which "god" would that be? The horrific "Yahweh" of the Old Testament who killed anyone who didn't worship him?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
  11. David Ouellette

    There are many different concepts of Christianity. The Pit-Bull attacking type Christians are popping up all over America. If they show up on T.V. shows, count me out!!

    May 12, 2012 at 11:12 am |
  12. Pat

    This is a perfect example of why there SHOULD be a 'closet".

    May 12, 2012 at 11:10 am |
  13. JC

    M0R0NGELICAL christianity – (Not so) Organized Insanity

    May 12, 2012 at 11:06 am |
  14. DB

    Complaining about how hard it is to be Christian in America is sort of like complaining about the disabled getting all the best parking spaces.

    May 12, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • rmtaks

      Christians are the oppressed majority.

      (someone not bending to your every demand = oppression)

      May 12, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • yannaes

      Actually, it is very easy being a Christian. We do not need to defend our beliefs, yet you find it necessary to find a reason for coming on a site that deals with Christians and distribute your anger. It is ok. No problem..

      May 12, 2012 at 11:30 am |
  15. yannaes

    What is amazing is that the Atheist come out in groves to read what the Christians are thinking or doing? Why would this be of any interest to them what so ever. If I were an atheist I would not go to a Christian article for what would be there for me, I would stick to the prophetic utterances of my atheistic, intellectual readings. Sarte, Voltaire, Hegel, and numerous other authors that have the religion of atheistic concepts.

    May 12, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • GoSitInTheCar

      Atheists have to be the victim of something..anything.

      May 12, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • Jacob

      " If I were an atheist I would not go to a Christian article for what would be there for me"

      Of course you wouldn't because xtians aren't generally interested in any point of view that doesn't support their own prejudices. This isn't an article posted on a xtian website. It's a mainstream secular news site.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • Bob

      Yanneas, I can't speak for other atheists, but in my case, it's because religious idiots vote and impact laws and policies that impact our lives. Any efforts we can make to cure people of the mind virus known as religion are good efforts.

      When you have a religion such as Christianity, with an owners manual that says stuff like this below, it really needs to be countered. Here's some classic fine guidance from Christian god, according to the bible:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Awful stuff, for sure. Pretty horrid god they've made for themselves, those Christians. And also note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations, and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 12, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • jim atmadison

      Kinda like when so-called Christians make fools of themselves commenting on articles about evolution or cosmology?

      May 12, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • art

      When the Christians are pushing for laws that align to THEIR faith, in a country that guarantees religious freedom, then yes, the atheists are concerned. Don't agree with gay marriage? Fine. No one is forcing your church to perform a gay marriage. But to prevent those who do not align with your faith from a non-religious ceremony uniting them in the eyes of the country as a wed couple? I don't have a problem necessarily with your faith. But to push your beliefs onto someone who doesn't share them? That's outrageous.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • yannaes

      Jacob: I have my M.A. in Philosophy. You are wrong! Good luck on your generalizations. You sound so angry. God bless you and may His Peace reign upon you.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Tom

      It is also found in the NT here: Romans 1:27 "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

      May 12, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Jacob

      yannes stop jumping up and down and count to ten. What's upsetting you? Why can't you respond intelligently instead of so emotionally?

      May 12, 2012 at 11:49 am |
  16. Jay

    Even Satan can quote Scripture.

    God's word is final on this matter, and He lays down His standard for our good and to show us how far we fall short; and how much we need a savior. Hollywood: God will not be mocked.

    May 12, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Jacob

      Guess that explains all the garbage coming from today's pulpits.

      May 12, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • yannaes

      So, Jacob, you have been to church lately to make that type of statement. Good, keep going!

      May 12, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Jacob

      I think the original statement was stupid to begin with. Choosing to ignore what your scripture plainly states by suggesting the person quoting it might be Satan is a sad and pathetic attempt at ad hominem. If you disagree and think the original statement was valid, then it would apply to every preacher quoting the scripture as well. Take your pick. You can't have it both ways, unless you just enjoy hypocrisy.

      May 12, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • Tom

      Yes, it is: Romans 1:27 "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

      May 12, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • Bob

      Yeah, Christian god's word according to the Christian book of nasty, AKA the bible, is pretty horrible on a lot of subjects, not just how Christians should treat gays (which is shameful). The bible is full of fine guidance like this:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Awful stuff, for sure. Pretty horrid god they've made for themselves, those Christians. And also note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations, and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 12, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Michael Murphy

      Jay please dont ask someone who does not believe as you to enjoy the same restraints you do. You are a product of what ever denomination you belong to and the preacher you listen to. If you are Baptist it is a sin to Dance, but David danced naked before the Lord. Various other denominations have false teachings also like Celibacy and having priest called father. The point is your wisdom of Scripture is in the eye of the beholder and not universal. Most of the new testament was not written by the supposed author, but by one claiming his name as was the habit of that period. So trying to establish an article of faith as an article of fact is absurd. In a court of Law it could not be admitted into evidence so why beat people up with it in the political realm?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • hmm

      Memo: people wrote the bible and proclaimed it to be god's word. If it's the "word" of a perfect being, why is it so inconsistent?

      May 12, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Kenjitheman

      Didnt you already use that one, bob? You cant come up with something new. You are taking those verses way out of context.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • hmm

      Out of context? Does it not say that in the bible? Shouldn't that be enough? It's a messed up "holy" text. they tried to rebrand Yahweh as some loving god later on, but some people aren't buying it.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
  17. Jacob

    There's a good chance both Jesus and the apostle John were gay, since John describes himself as laying around on top of Jesus and describes himself as "the" disciple whom Jesus loved.

    "Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. Simon Peter therefore motioned to him to ask who it was of whom He spoke.Then, leaning back on Jesus’ breast, he said to Him, “Lord, who is it?”

    May 12, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Kenjitheman

      Way out of context dude. The words breast and bosom had a very different meaning during biblical times. Only perverts would think like that now.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Jacob

      Nice try. Would you care to explain how laying on someone's bosom and being singled out as the "one" whom Jesus loved would have meant something different 2000 years ago.

      It's always amusing to watch you guys backpedal. You claim this is God's Word, written to reveal himself to the world, yet none of the words mean what they mean anymore. Slave doesn't mean slave, abomination means whatever your generation wants it to mean, and now even bosom has suddenly gained a new yet undefined meaning.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
  18. Arlen

    You'll never see air either. Do that mean it's not there?

    May 12, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • unofischal

      Since 75% of Americans are Christian, and since Christians are not persecuted in the United States, it takes somewhat less courage to come out as a Christian than to come out as gay. Regardless, people should be open about who they are.

      May 12, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • unofischal

      (Sorry, that wasn't meant to be a reply to you. Posted in the wrong place.)

      May 12, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • MomOf3

      Actually, you can see the molecular structure of O2...you have to put it under the right kind of microscope, but that's science, and I'm sure you're not interested...

      May 12, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • Jacob

      But many xtians enjoy feeling persecuted. Makes them feel more Christlike. Doesn't matter if they comprise the overwhelming majority or not. They love playing the martyr, from a safe distance of course.

      May 12, 2012 at 10:56 am |
  19. BuleriaChk

    More Bibble-Babble for the low-information culturally in-bred ......

    God speaks to me, but all he does is brag about how knocked up a poor carpenter's wife, got the locals to believe in virgin birth, and then threw his illegitimate son under the bus when he turned out to be a liberal. Typical Republican core values...

    May 12, 2012 at 10:42 am |
  20. Donettes

    One day I said " God I want to see you". Never saw him so I never believed in him and never will.

    May 12, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • Bob Lewis

      Look in the mirror and there he is.

      May 12, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • yannaes

      One day I said to God, if you are real, make yourself known and God did.

      May 12, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Bob

      Really, Christian god should be found in jail for life, for the nasty stuff he demands in the Christian book of nasty AKA the bible. Fine stuff like this:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Awful stuff, for sure. Pretty horrid god they've made for themselves, those Christians. And also note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations, and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 12, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • hmm

      yannaes...that's what's known as a psychological disorder...

      May 12, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Jacob

      My thoughts exactly. Sounds like something a psychopath would say in his first 20/20 interview.

      May 12, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
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