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May 18th, 2012
02:58 PM ET

Health secretary addresses health care, religious freedom in protested graduation speech

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – In an anticipated and controversial address Friday, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius delivered a speech that blended inspirational messages to graduates with a discussion of public policy's tough decisions, including health care and honoring religious freedom.

Her speech at the Georgetown Public Policy Institute awards ceremony had been considered controversial by conservative Catholic organizations that saw her appearance as the university validating her positions on abortion and contraception.

The speech did not mention the controversy directly, but Sebelius did address faith in public life in a section of the speech devoted to John F. Kennedy, the first Catholic president of the United States.

"Kennedy was elected president on November 8, 1960," she said. "And more than 50 years later, that conversation, about the intersection of our nation's long tradition of religious freedom with policy decisions in the public square, continues."

Sebelius continued: "Contributing to these debates will require more than just the quantitative skills you have learned at Georgetown. It will also require the ethical skills you have honed - the ability to weight different views, see issues from other points of view and, in the end, remain true to your own moral compass."

A few minutes into the speech, a protester sitting with families in the crowd stood up and shouted at Sebelius, getting the crowd's attention. "Georgetown should be ashamed," he yelled, drawing boos from the crowd.

Though the protester continued, the crowd largely drowned out his statements. Police escorted him out, but his chants could be heard inside the room as he left.

Sebelius remained composed throughout, and when the speech continued, she received a round of applause.

Student reaction to the protester was largely evidenced by their reaction to his shouting.

"The students here are very committed to public service ..." said Taiyang Gul, 24, who came to Georgetown from China. "Obviously, this is not the forum for expressing opinions. People can express their views in some other occasions."
Gul said in the end, this day was for the students, to mark their success and wish them well.

Ranjini Danaraj, a 31-year-old master's in policy management graduate, dismissed the protester, calling the response to him appropriate, and said she thought Sebelius did a great job.

"I thought [the speech] was great," she said. "She did a good job of relating events from her life that were relevant to us. I thought she had a lot of life lessons to pass along."

The secretary's statements on understanding different points of view largely echoed Georgetown President John J. DeGioia, who defended her invitation by saying Georgetown is "a university, committed to the free exchange of ideas."

DeGioia's defense, however, was not enough for the groups and some faculty who protested Sebelius' speech.

Just outside the Georgetown walls, the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property held banners, flags and signs that protested the speech. About 15 protesters counted the rosary and said the Hail Mary prayer as people in graduation gowns walked past.

"There are certain lines that we can't cross," said Michael Drake, a volunteer for the organization. "She [Sebelius] has a pro-abortion record from her time in Kansas. ... We are very scandalized that Georgetown would even invite her."

There were also vocal groups of protesters before the speech. Leading the charge was the conservative Cardinal Newman Society, a group that has regularly blogged about speakers at Catholic universities who go against Catholic teachings.

Patrick Reilly, the group's president, labeled Georgetown as "anti-Catholic."

"It is recognized by the bishops as Catholic, so it is Catholic," Reilly said about the university. "Does it do a good job at upholding its Catholic identity? No, it is one of the worst at doing so."

At the heart of his and other protest groups' disagreement is that Catholic bishops, in 2004, released a document that outlined how a Catholic university should invite speakers to campus. In it, the bishops said Catholic universities should not bestow honors upon speakers whose views differ with those of the Catholic Church.

Reilly's take: "I would say that a commencement address falls into the category of an honor."

Protest was not limited to solely independent Catholic organizations, however. The Archdiocese of Washington, D.C., also chimed in on the speech.

"Given the dramatic impact this (contraception) mandate will have on Georgetown and all Catholic institutions, it is understandable that Catholics across the country would find shocking the choice of Secretary Sebelius, the architect of the mandate, to receive such special recognition at a Catholic university," the Washington Archdiocese's statement said.

The archdiocese was referring to a Health and Human Services mandate that religious employers offer health insurance coverage that includes access to contraceptives and birth control services.

Georgetown is the oldest Catholic university in the United States. It was founded by the country's first Catholic bishop, John Carroll, and describes itself as a "global research university deeply rooted in the Catholic faith."

Catholic faith, as directed by the church's hierarchy, is adamantly against abortion, contraception and same-sex marriage. As a Catholic university, Georgetown adheres to those positions - no condoms are passed out on campus, for example - but this has caused friction with the student body.

In her remarks, Sebelius addressed the path she took to become leader of the Department of Health and Human Services. She also talked about her role in implementing President Barack Obama's hallmark health care legislation.

"I have the extraordinary opportunity to help implement legislation that is finally, after seven decades of failed debate, ensuring that all Americans have access to affordable health care," she said.

Sebelius was one of a handful of graduation speakers at Georgetown this weekend. Many of the university's individual schools have both a commencement and an awards ceremony. Sebelius was speaking at the awards ceremony - called a tropaia, after the Greek word for "trophy" - for Georgetown's Public Policy Institute.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Abortion • Bishops • Catholic Church • Health • Health care

soundoff (184 Responses)
  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven

    May 18, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Jesus

      You're a proven liar. Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      May 18, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • nope

      @ fake jesus
      Nope

      May 18, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
  2. A Serpent's Thought

    @ AtheistSteve "You know for the most part people are generally good folk. The perception of wickedness and vileness is something that only becomes apparent to those who have been taught to believe in sin. If you take all human behaviors and plot them on a bell curve the extreme ends are where the anomalies or aberrant ones appear. Often those are the less favored and most harmful to self and others and usually fall into things that are dealt with by laws. They are also the least common. Religious beliefs tend to ignore the continuum of the mean average and focus on a very narrow view of "what is normal". Things are not simply black or white...grey areas exist and dogmatic ideologies are ill equipped to accommodate them."

    Is your word leaning toward the laws of the land regarding the grayish areas that are not black and white? What then is your problem regarding the gray areas of Life and the laws that binds all its' people with? Should the minorities hold accountable all the majorities' minored commonalities of same intents and equal interests? Is it righteous for a minority to charge majorities others with their stained abnormal wants to make justifiable their staining homages of the courts' eye to be caught by unjust flailings?

    May 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Try that again...in English.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ AtheistSteve

      You first! 🙂

      May 18, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
  3. Reality

    The Georgetown "elite" and K. Sebelius vs. the Washington RCC hierarchy? Tis a minor issue.

    The real issue that Sebelius should have addressed but did not:

    The Brutal Effects of Stupidity!!!

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill ( 8.7% failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    Consumer Reports, January, 2012

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

    Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

    The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

    1a. (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
    1b. (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

    Followed by:

    One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
    Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
    The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
    Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
    IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

    Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

    May 18, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  4. Alien Orifice

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lse3J6LkGk8&feature=related

    May 18, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      LOL!

      atheists and christians, take 6 minutes to watch this. bill explains the difference between religion and atheism.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • just sayin

      Rather than think for itself alien prefers to let media do all its thinking for it. God bless

      May 18, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Bill Maher doesn't form my opinions for me...I just happen to agree with him. Plus he is very funny.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      @just saying

      But how ironic that you let a several millenia old book form YOUR opinions.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • fred

      Atheist Steve
      You did not form your opinions absent all that you were born with and exposed to during your life. I suspect you could identify the single most significant factor that made you godless just as I can identify Jesus as my single most significant factor that made me a believer.
      Without God you could not be at the opposite end of a world that has experienced God for thousands of years. You owe your godless nature to God and or believers. Interesting that you actually had to make a concerted effort to reject God yet, you deny God as a living force to be reckoned with.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      No fred
      It is precisely because God cannot be experienced, in any tangible, meaningful or measurable way, that I rejected my catholic upbringing. When I became old enough to question the dogma that was fed to me it became glaringly obvious that all those teachings were just smoke and mirrors.

      May 18, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • captain america

      Steve is a pain in the ass canadian qu-eer who trolls these blogs pretending to be an American as if its bull sh it opinions mean something to honest American citizens. Still do not need you thinking for us steve, too bad your own country has no use for you either. F-O . There's your sign

      May 18, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • Crom

      captain america is neither a captain nor an American and is also a person who does not respect America or our allies.

      captain america, since you cannot speak intelligently or in a mature manner, I would guess you are a christian.

      May 18, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • fred

      Atheist Steve
      Seems to be the problem with religion where the truth is taken down the path men would lead it rather than being led by the truth. I agree the Catholic Church has caused great harm to the truth which God continually puts before us. I have not found fault with anything Jesus had to say and with very few words and only a few years made the truth of God clear. I am not aware of any greater impact on the world as we know it.
      I seriously wonder if God had put less value on faith and more on scientifically verifiable proofs if the mix of goats and sheep on judgment day would be any different. The marked character of one who believes is such that being with God is truly where that person most naturally belongs. The same goes for the skeptic or godless ones would not naturally be united with God for eternity. Jesus gives us a clear picture of the two criminals on the cross next to him. The difference between the two is black and white and there is little doubt. It was immaterial if they were Buddist , Hindu or whatever as one belonged with Christ and the other clearly did not (Luke 23:39-43).
      Jesus warned and blasted the Sanhedrin for all the laws they added to the truth then 1,500 years later we see the Catholic Church with 1,700 some odd laws piled up on top of the Bible.
      God chose faith as way to understand truth and kept it all very simple. Which of the criminals next to Christ are you?

      May 18, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • captain america

      @crom
      Since you allow foreigners to do your thinking for you what do you use to get the taste of ass you've been kissing out of your stupid mouth. There's your sign

      May 18, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Qu -eers and atheists are not our allies.

      May 18, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • .Crom.

      captain america, your sign is your name and everything you say. Only a child would speak the way you do.

      May 18, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
  5. A Serpent's Thought

    @ Bootyfunk, "mostly i feel sorry for them. living in a cult is not healthy. i want to help encourage people to leave the cult and think for yourself."

    Disgust turned into sorrow makes no difference for the weightiness of one's load remains the same. Very heavy! Do you honestly believe that christians can't think for themselves and they gather in cults? It is true that many christians gather together but not as cultists. They seek the words of someone they hold up above their own Life who might give them peace for but a time in a world full of wickedry and vileness! They are not cultists Booyfunk. They believe in a Being and of another place called heaven where their soul goes and the body is given up as an atonement to a Supreme Being that perhaps likes to be called God or Elohim or whatever other name that is written in the Gospels.

    You cannot disprove those who believe, but only scoff and rebuke them and their stances! May your weight of disgust and sorrow be ever lightened and not get any heavier for your Life Journey! Blessed be to you and your family!

    May 18, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      i have disgust for the bible. i have disgust for prejudicial views. not for the people - except the religious extremists. i do have disgust for them.

      you don't understand that you are in a cult. ALL religions are cults. when a cult is accepted by society, it's called a religion. when there are no cult members left, religions become mythologies.

      no one in a cult thinks they are in a cult.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      "in a world full of wickedry and vileness"

      You know for the most part people are generally good folk. The perception of wickedness and vileness is something that only becomes apparent to those who have been taught to believe in sin. If you take all human behaviors and plot them on a bell curve the extreme ends are where the anomalies or aberrant ones appear. Often those are the less favored and most harmful to self and others and usually fall into things that are dealt with by laws. They are also the least common. Religious beliefs tend to ignore the continuum of the mean average and focus on a very narrow view of "what is normal". Things are not simply black or white...grey areas exist and dogmatic ideologies are ill equipped to accommodate them.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Bootyfunk

      So many avenues of disgust bootyfunk,,,, so many. 🙁 I am not God nor am I one of God's Sons. Your saying, "I have disgust for prejudicial views" seems to make one's own words to be predjudicial don't you think Bootyfunk? I care not for disgust but I feel the sorrows of folks who one does declare others to be that which they are not truly being! Kindness against disgusting ways and thoughts brings about much sorrows to be viewed. Why hold onto disgust and sorrows for those who need it not? Bleesed be you Bootyfunk and may your Life find its' pathway to be of glory and love in abundant measure to ease your times of disgust and languished sorrowness!

      May 18, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • a person of the Name

      Law of averages really. Look at where the church stands its un-moving, then look at the libral side its always pushing and pulling away. This grey area gets father and father away from the church.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
  6. fishyone

    Somehow, freedom of speech only works if people who don't believe the same as the speaker, cause ignorant interuption. If you don't want to have an abortion, then don't have it. But mind your own business if others wish to abort, just because your religion has brainwashed you.

    May 18, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  7. Answer

    I love reading the idiotic comments of christian's who can hear their god's voice. Hilarious.

    "I am so special.." So funny.

    May 18, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      To Hear God's Voice 101 for dummies, or in your case. Fool ... means to retain His written truth.

      Now, go polish the apple for your teaches and be a good foot soldier.

      Amen.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • Answer

      To read the rantings of a bunch of fools and to listen to that same set of fools.. yah that is you HS.

      Just because you are a reject who likes to keep your delusions doesn't mean it's ok for the rest of society.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
  8. Jan

    They catholic church will soon b irrelevant if they aren't already. They do not follow christs' teachings, no organized religion does. The catholic church is simply a big business, surprised they arnt a super pac.

    May 18, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      all of christianity is irrelevant.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bootyfunk, who ever taught you that you were one of the strongest of the strong? LOL.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
  9. A Serpent's Thought

    http://www.reformed.org/social/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/social/hodges_response_helminiak.html

    Helminiak claims that the Bible does not condemn h.o.m.o.s.e.x.u.a.l.i.t.y. The following article answers Helminiak's revisionist reading of the Bible on the issue of the morality of H.o.m.o.s.e.x.u.a.l.i.t.y. While Helminiak claims that conservative Christians are reading modern prejudices into the Bible, it becomes clear that he is reading modern tolerances back into the Bible. While the editors of CRTA do not agree with every part of this article, we are in wholehearted agreement with its refutation of Helminiak's flawed interpretation of Scripture.

    May 18, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      i agree. the bible condemns h.omos.exuality. it's very clear. that, and for many other reasons, the bible is disgusting.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y

      May 18, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Are you referring to the revisionists who revised the Bible back to what it was before the revisionists revised it?

      May 18, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ BooyFunk

      You then must be very disgusted with the vast majority of people who hold to and upon religious beliefs! What a burdensome load to hold onto. 🙁

      May 18, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      mostly i feel sorry for them. living in a cult is not healthy. i want to help encourage people to leave the cult and think for yourself.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • VanHagar

      @booty...I'm curious as to why you believe that all believers in God (Christian or otherwise) are incapable of thinking for themselves. Do you truly believe that for ALL people of faith, or are you simply employing hyperbole to make some otherwise ill defined point.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
  10. Jan

    Catholicism will soon b irrelevant. They do not follow the teachings of christ and insist on policies that limit, unless it's for the benefit of the catholic church. They need to clean their own house, but what the heck, blaming others takes focus off of the wrongs the church continues to condone.

    May 18, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      all christianity is irrelevant. lol.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Emmsy

      What are the wrongs that the Church condones Jan? I'm a practicing Catholic. What I hear from my Church is feed the poor, visit the prisoners, and love your neighbor as yourself. Stand up for the innocent unborn and the elderly and disabled. We do that as best we can in our community.
      What's wrong with that? You throw these accusations out there with NOTHING to back it up. Stop hating what you know nothing about

      May 18, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      small list of wrongs sanctioned by the church/bible:

      kill g.ays, non-virgin brides, disobedient children, anyone that works on the weekend, practices witchcraft and much much more. read the bible, you'll be horrified at what you find. the bible approves of slavery. that book is disgusting.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Bootyfunk

      Picking upon the Gospels by rooting here and there may well bring one to things of disgust as you so proclaim. Taking any book and reading it out of contextual rightness is pure heresy against any book(s) read via one paragraph here and then skip a few there paragraphs! 🙁

      May 18, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Serpent, christians cherry pick the bible constantly. If they didn't, people who eat shellfish would be condemned along side the gays and lesbians.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      serpent, i've read the bible from cover to cover. you, likely, cannot say the same.

      May 18, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      bootyfunk, you can read the Bible over and over again and you still won't comprehend His spiritual truth unless you shelf that ego that holds you up, repent for your sinful nature, ask Jesus to allow you to get close to Him, and of course, sin no more. I know, I'm asking too much from you.

      Amen..

      May 18, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
  11. Lj

    I love how even though you can post anonymously it's still so evident that you are a creepy, friendless person. . .

    May 18, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
  12. franklovesfl

    All these speeches are a bit premature. Obamacare is about to be struck down.

    May 18, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      wrong.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  13. Emmsy

    It is a joke that Sebelius is talking about religious freedom! She is one of the architects along with Obama who are squelching it. Georgetown isn't really a beacon of Catholicity either! There are other truly Catholic schools around now which are flourishing. So sad about the Jesuits though, they are unrecognizable.

    May 18, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Primewonk

      So, how, exactly, is Obama squelching relgious freedom?

      Specifically, which churches did he close down and board up?

      Which Christians did he murder?

      Which prayers has he banned folks from saying?

      Which bible has he burned?

      Which religious groups has he sent to re-education camps?

      Which women has he forced to have an abortion?

      Which women has he forced to take birth control?

      Which church did he demand teach evolution?

      Be specific as you answer each of these. And be sure to include actual evidence from reputable sources.

      Thanks.

      We'll be waiting.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
  14. Bob

    Papist idolotars

    May 18, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Emmsy

      Catholics don't idolize the pope. That is a silly old stereotype used against Catholics.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      yeah, they just think he is the one and only mouthpiece of god.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Emmsy

      That's actually not true bootywhatever. You need to educate yourself on these things, then you might be taken seriously.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Emmsy

      The Pope is the mouthpiece around God's d! ck.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      take the blinders off, pls. the pope is supposedly infallible. he can make changes to the bible. he can change catholic dogma. yeah, people think the pope speaks for god.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  15. Alien Orifice

    “... there is no shame in not knowing. The problem arises when irrational thought and attendant behavior fill the vacuum left by ignorance.”
    ― Neil deGrasse Tyson

    May 18, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      well, said Neil. definitely one of my heroes.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
  16. findmeinfloridaagain

    I wish you had spoken at my master's Graduation.

    You need to DIALOGUE WITH FRANCISCAN AFTER THEY HAVE HAD A FEW. i AM ONE OF THEIR DISSENTING ALUMNI

    May 18, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  17. Bootyfunk

    it'll do them good to have someone outside their cult college give them some modern facts/philosophies.

    May 18, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      Amen!

      May 18, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Lj

      She's supposedly Catholic. Silly, mean comment anyway.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      she's catholic. so what. seems that catholics are still protesting her, no?

      May 18, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Emmsy

      Dont stay in ignorance, my friend, don't be a hater!

      May 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      i'm not a hater - i'm a lover. 🙂

      your book says to kill g.ays, non-virgin brides, disobedient children, anyone working on the weeked - but it's not full of hate. lol. think before you type. try it. just once.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    May 18, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      May 18, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      prayer is a waste of time. meditation is much more helpful. going outside and putting your hands to use is much more helpful.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      like rain dances change the weather

      May 18, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • PulTab

      Prayer really worked for perry when he had a whole stadium full of people pray for rain in texas. Didn't rain a drop for weeks.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Steve - Dallas

      No, it doesn't.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • just sayin

      FACT Prayer is evidence of a mental illness

      May 18, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Emmsy

      Yes!!! Prayer does change things! Prayer is an intimate relationship with the Creator of the Universe who is REAL!! Have confidence in God, He never disappoints. For those of you out there who are angrily trying to deny that fact, try it for 30 days, see what happens in your life! Give God a chance to transform your heart. Really give Him an opportunity to be with you.
      Many times the problem in prayer is that we focus on ourselves too much, self worship in a way. Each one of us is sooooo preciously made. Let Him love you who is Love Himself.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Jeremy

      Must be nice to live close minded. A simple search will reveal many articles on the powerful impact prayer can have on outcomes....unless you dont go by scientific research.

      No one is claiming that you pray for someone and then ignore obvious medical/surgical solutions, only thaqt prayer can help improve outcomes to those interventions.

      Liberals...shouldn't you be abpe to think for yourselves instead of spouting off nonsense.

      http://onlinesurgicaltechniciancourses.com/2010/25-intriguing-scientific-studies-about-faith-prayer-and-healing/

      May 18, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • just sayin

      Fact: Prayer really does change things! God bless

      May 18, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • just sayin

      Emmsy

      Yes!!! Prayer does change things! Prayer is an intimate relationship with the Creator of the Universe who is REAL!! Have confidence in God, He never disappoints. For those of you out there who are angrily trying to deny that fact, try it for 30 days, see what happens in your life! Give God a chance to transform your heart. Really give Him an opportunity to be with you.
      Many times the problem in prayer is that we focus on ourselves too much, self worship in a way. Each one of us is sooooo preciously made. Let Him love you who is Love Himself.

      --–

      Do you hear Gods voice? Prayer is evidence of a mental illness.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      @jeremy
      there are exactly ZERO scientific studies that show prayer works. ZERO. pls notice i said 'scientific'.

      "No one is claiming that you pray for someone and then ignore obvious medical/surgical solutions, only thaqt prayer can help improve outcomes to those interventions. "
      wrong. christian scientists make that claim all the time. other christians often do to. ever seen "faith" healing?

      May 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Emmsy

      I do hear God's voice. That is part of why I know that prayer works.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      if you think you hear god's voice, please seek psychiatric help.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • LOL

      You're not hearing God's voice your just talking to yourself. LOL!

      May 18, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  19. SkepticOne

    Way to stand up to the outdated Catholic dogma, Georgetown!

    May 18, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • danielwalldammit

      It's more than outdated. The catholic Church has taken a sharp turn to the right.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      welcome to the our college - welcome to the dark ages.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Emmsy

      The Truth is never outdated 🙂

      May 18, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      the truth is god does not exist. your welcome.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  20. just sayin

    Do you think Jesus's b@ lls itched while he was on the cross? If so, did God sratch them for him?

    May 18, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • just sayin

      The best way to spot a phony is by the foul dirty way it expresses itself. God bless

      May 18, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      They always steal handles when they know their debates don't hold water.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • PulTab

      LOL

      May 18, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      happens from the other side too.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • just sayin

      Maybe God didn't scratch them and that is why he screamed ...Why has thou forsaken me!"... I picture Jesus like Cheech in the straight jacket...yelling MY B@ lls itch! Somebody scratch them. Jesus, "You there Roman Soldier, how about sratchn me nuts with that spear..I OFFER YOU PARADISE!. OUCH you missed that was my ribs you jack@ $$!"

      May 18, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • just sayin

      Later on that day...Jesus, "Huh who would have thought...the view up is isn't that bad"

      May 18, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • just sayin

      Jesus looking down at Mary. "You stupid wh ore who couldn't keep your legs closed. I actually believed you and that I came from a God. Is there anybody you DIDNT sleep with. HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY NOW MOM!"

      May 18, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Thank you for the laugh.

      Amen.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      LOL

      May 18, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Emmsy

      Funny.Good Friday laugh. LOL

      May 18, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • just sayin

      So after he came in on a Donkey...did he perform The Donkey Show?

      May 23, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
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