My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage
The author backs same-sex marriage because of his faith, not in spite of it.
May 19th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage

Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

By Mark Osler, Special to CNN

I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.

What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.

A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.

During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.

After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old Testament.

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Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).

His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise.

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It is not our place, it seems, to sort out who should be denied a bond with God and the Holy Spirit of the kind that we find through baptism, communion, and marriage. The water will flow where it will.

Intriguingly, this rule will apply whether we see homosexuality as a sin or not. The water is for all of us. We see the same thing at the Last Supper, as Jesus gives the bread and wine to all who are there—even to Peter, who Jesus said would deny him, and to Judas, who would betray him.

The question before us now is not whether homosexuality is a sin, but whether being gay should be a bar to baptism or communion or marriage.

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The answer is in the Bible. Peter and Jesus offer a strikingly inclusive form of love and engagement. They hold out the symbols of Gods’ love to all. How arrogant that we think it is ours to parse out stingily!

I worship at St. Stephens, an Episcopal church in Edina, Minnesota. There is a river that flows around the back and side of that church with a delightful name: Minnehaha Creek. That is where we do baptisms.

The Rector stands in the creek in his robes, the cool water coursing by his feet, and takes an infant into his arms and baptizes her with that same cool water. The congregation sits on the grassy bank and watches, a gentle army.

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At the bottom of the creek, in exactly that spot, is a floor of smooth pebbles. The water rushing by has rubbed off the rough edges, bit by bit, day by day. The pebbles have been transformed by that water into something new.

I suppose that, as Peter put it, someone could try to withhold the waters of baptism there. They could try to stop the river, to keep the water from some of the stones, like a child in the gutter building a barrier against the stream.

It won’t last, though. I would say this to those who would withhold the water of baptism, the joy of worship, or the bonds of marriage: You are less strong than the water, which will flow around you, find its path, and gently erode each wall you try to erect.

The redeeming power of that creek, and of the Holy Spirit, is relentless, making us all into something better and new.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Mark Osler.

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  1. LouAZ

    The use of supernaturalism to manipulate and control people is the world's oldest confidence scheme, it relies on the ritual abuse of children at their most impressionable stage by adults who have themselves been made childish for life by artifacts of the primitive mind.- Your Mom on a CNN comment.

    May 20, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Like Jack Nicholson said "They can't handle the truth!"

      May 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
  2. Snowdog

    I weep for all the people on this blog. The hate for God is unbelievable. God loves us unconditionally and you talk about him like he is a killer and hater. Satan is the killer and hater. not God. There are so many lost souls in this world, so many. Narrow is the gate to Heaven, but wide is the gate to destruction. If Christains hate it is wrong. Jesus did not teach hate, he taught love. If non-christians hate it is wrong and there are a lot of non-christain haters on this blog. Hate and evil are from Satan not God. I will always pray for all people. I will always love all people, but I will hate the sin. That is what Jesus taught. Love the sinner but hate the sin. We are all sinners, but through Christ we can be saved. I know several people that used to talk like all the non-christains on this blog, but are now Christains because the evidence for Christianity as the true faith is overwhelming. They researched it themselves and found the truth. Christianty is about love, not hate. Did Christians make mistakes and do some awful things in the past, Yes. Do Christians still make mistakes today, Yes. We are human and we make mistakes, just like non-christians. Do you tink that God is happy with our sin and mistakes, no. Bottom line is that he loves us no matter what you say. No matter how many vile comments you say about him, he still loves you. He gives you fre will to make your own decisons. He gives you free will to believe in him or not. At your death when you face him, and you will face him, he will give you what you chose. If you chose his son on earth yu will enter paradise, if not you will be eternally separated from him forever and ever. Think about that, forever. A loving father sets boundaries and rules for us just like our earthly mother and father. It is out of love to protect us. We cross those boundaries we suffer the consequences. If we steal, we go to prison. If we committ adultry, we could lose our family. If we kill we go to prison or get the death penalty. Love people, not hate. Love. I know no matter what I say it will not change your mind and no matter what you say it will not change mine. In the end we will all find out. It is a certainty.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • be

      Many of us do not hate God. We hate how religion incorrectly portrays God. The way many religions are negatively portraying the ;gay issue is showing them at their lowest moment. We are in a day when gays are fighting for Marriage, Family and Service to Country. To fight that shows religion to be prejudices and bigoted not because of the values being promoted by a group of individuals but because of who they are (which is the definition of bigotry).

      May 20, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      You are delusional.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • momoya

      A lot of statement, but no evidence.. What evidence do you have that when we die we'll know you were right?. Any evidence?. Or is it just your fundamentalist opinion.. You do realize that Muslims say almost the exact same things as you and they believe them as strongly as you?? Why do you think it is that both Muslim terrorists and Christian fundamentalists MUST use the same math and chemistry, but can disagree on almost every point about god?? hmmmm

      May 20, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • AGuest9

      Don't bother weeping for me. There is no god. People hate and kill, and use their god as a scapegoat, and some ancient text as their reason (or excuse). The image of "Satan" is the personification of evil, but "he" is just another god, and doesn't exist, either. There is no such thing as a soul, nor a heaven, either.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Edwardo

      "we will all find out in the end"... you did not exist in the past 14 billion years of earth's existence, and you will not exist after you die. You can not find out something, if you do not exist.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • TPN51

      So based on that long heart felt statement, I guess God loves Gays and Lesbians too, right? wants them to be happy right? forgives them right? Free will just like all man right? I have been watching this blog for the past several days and what faith I had is now completely gone with the comments of the so called believers. They are totally clueless and now so am I. I can only suggest that people let people live their live the way they want to, practice what Religion they want to, marry who they want too. I'm done with this whole religious discussion and platform, it's redundant and pointless. Best to all my friend.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Maybe you should just try to be a decent good person. . .without the religious garbage. From what you've written, it looks like your religion is making you kinda psychotic, delusional and worst of all judgmental of other people for no actual real reasons. Take a look within yourself and ask yourself what makes you want to judge other human beings and think that they deserve to go to "hell". Then ask yourself whether a truly just and decent human being would actually think those evil thoughts way about others.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Edwardo

      @DeeCee – Once again, your intelligence, your responses... mean so much. Love it!

      May 20, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      Snowdog, thanks for your comment. This is the real revelation of Christ. Most of those who disagree with you don't want to acknowledge this they'd rather attack the straw an and the bigots. This is why your comments make them uncomfortable. Being comfortable is not beneficial when it comes to faith.

      May 20, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Darwi

      Snowdog, you see only what you have been told to see.
      I was once like you.

      It was my love for other people that drew me out of the pit of lies that is religion.
      Your interpretation of Christianity is a humanist interpretation much like the author of the article has.

      But the Bible is not a humanistic book. It truly is filled with lies and hate and evil.
      What few nice bits there are are so rare as to be the exception and none of it fits together.

      In seeking to express your love for others, why is it bad to insist on helping and loving others in the most effective, rational, and realistic way? The Bible does not guide you towards love unless you wear blinders to all but those few passages.
      Cherry-picking is understandable, but in the end it is proof of the evils you studiously avoid seeing and thinking about.

      I would say the exact same things to the author of this article. It is nice of you to care, but you are surrounded by evil that will damage your expressions of love towards your fellow humans.

      I sought the absolute truth in a bid to provide the utmost good for my fellow humans.
      The truth is that there is no god is the harshest truth any believer can accept.
      I do not hate what does not exist, and I still love everyone. There is no loss of love, only the loss of illusion.
      Disillusionment is always painful, yet I would wish it upon everyone at every opportunity, for I love truth and hate lies.
      Yet some exceptions should be made for those who are unable to handle the truth for various reasons. I am not a tyrant.

      May 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • mandarax

      Snowdog and Blackadder, what both of you seem to fail to understand is that non-believers don't hate god – they may hate the way that people wield the concept of god to do justify their behaviors, but they don't believe in god and thus cannot hate "him."

      And it makes no difference whether you blame evil on god or satan, because they are both part of your make-believe. "Evil" comes from people making bad choices that cause damage to other people and things. Do your best to minimize your own evil and get rid of the fairy tale characters – they only blur your own innate moral vision.

      May 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
  3. be

    Let's take a second to compare the "gay agenda" with the "religious right" agenda. The gays are in the courts fighting for 1) Marriage – the right to live in legally recognized, committed, monogamous relations. 2) Family – so they can raise their children in a stable family as a couple – frequently children who were not wanted by their straight parents. 3) Military Service – wanting to serve their country with honor. The religious right are in the courts fighting for 1) control over women's reproductive rights. 2) keeping their ministers out of fail for illicit se x ual contact. 3) keeping their corporal possession and money safe from taxes and lawsuits. The gays are the new moral minority it would seem.....at least in compared to the religious right.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      All religions are evil, the mere word that they created.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:47 am |
  4. Rainer Braendlein

    "It won’t last, though. I would say this to those who would withhold the water of baptism, the joy of worship, or the bonds of marriage: You are less strong than the water, which will flow around you, find its path, and gently erode each wall you try to erect.

    The redeeming power of that creek, and of the Holy Spirit, is relentless, making us all into something better and new." , Osler still spews.

    The sacramental baptism is very good in itself and the greatest thing, which God ever invented. It is a rebirth, by which we become new human beings, according to God's will.

    Yet, only the Church, in which the Holy Spirit dwells, should apply sacramental baptism, because only the Spirit can cause faith, which is the precondition for baptism.

    The true Church will always teach that baptism is a divine call for discipleship. A baptized man cannot keep on sinning, but has to repent and to confess, if he has sinned again.

    For believers: If someone really follows Christ in the power of baptism or Christ's death and resurrection, Christ's sacrifice is also an atonement for our sins. If we have yet sinned again, we can return to God again by Christ's atonment, if we refer to it.

    God gives us deliverance and forgiveness. If we welcome deliverance, we have the appropriate appreciation for forgiveness. Forgiveness without deliverance is not possible. A cheap-grace-Jesus is an idol, which leads us to hell. Only the life-changing Jesus is the real Jesus, which gives us a life, which will lead to heaven.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      Why don't you go away, please?

      May 20, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • jungleboo

      Rainer, you are from the fringe of American society and culture.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:58 am |
      • Rainer Braendlein

        Even worse, I am from the Master Race.

        May 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Rainier, would you PLEASE quit posting those lengthy comments that no one actually reads? You're so typical. People like you always try to take up all the room wherever they go (so to speak). Religions are always trying to claim this and that for themselves anywhere in the world that you go. Likewise, you feel compelled to post up your silly garbage that takes up all the room on every page you post. QUIT!

      May 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
      • Rainer Braendlein

        I merely analysed the article of Osler passage by passage. Hence, the length of my whole comment was caused by the length of Osler's article.

        Basically I try to tell only as much as necessary. I am not interested in lengthy texts, but the length of the text must be sufficient, to express the own opinion.

        May 20, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Master Race, like Germany?

      May 20, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Voice of Reason

      Congratulations, you got it!

      May 20, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • @ Rainer

      Master Race? Really? You, sir, just doubled up on your delusion.
      Adolph Hitler was a true idiot...and borrowed the swastika from India...It is a Sanskrit symbol.
      He also borrowed the "Aryan" race. Aryans are a group of people from Northern India.
      How pleased they must be to know that you acknowledge them as being your superior and Master..

      May 20, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
  5. Secure


    May 20, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      Do you have anything of substance to add?

      May 20, 2012 at 11:39 am |
  6. Secure

    Wow, is anyone on this forum NOT atheist? why are you all hanging out in a belief forum? Get a life! Quick, too! Your days are numbered! B/c science only gives you 70 80 odd years of meaningless life.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • Voice of Reason

      No, Secure, you need to get a life and think for yourself.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • JWT

      Atheists are here to make their point known that the relious do not control society nor allow religious doctrine to make the laws of the land.

      An atheists life is equalt to thaof of any non-atheist in every way.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Secure

      No you do!

      May 20, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Edwardo

      I'd rather bean athiest than a hypocrite. Yep, yours truly here doesn't believe there are Sky Daddies, and yep, this is a horrible offense as most people believe there are invisible Sky Daddies. Of course, most people used to believe the earth was flat too.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • One one

      Did you take the bait, get hooked, and reeled in ? Do you believe if you pray to Jesus you will get to live forever in heaven ? Good luck.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • Secure

      Its true, true pure religion should have no place and say in government. Gays have a legal right to marry. Religion should keep out of it. BUT, gays have no Biblical right/ supporting scripture for their behavior. Both sides should keep out of the other. And since no one believes in God anymore anyway, shouldnt be an issue.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • moriahid

      This is your belief, not shared by everyone. Your comment is the very reason non Christians are turned off by your religion. Way to go! You just solidified for many of us the hatred of your religion. And, there are no guarantees that you will go to heaven, you still have to be judged on judgment day.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • Secure

      Remember Edwardo, science has not been without changes, mistakes (huge ones) and discrepancies.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      Don't you just love Christians who think everybody else's life is "meaningless" simply because others refuse to accept their myths? It takes a truly cold-blooded moron to classify the rest of humanity as having meaningless lives. Whenever I see or hear a person treating another human being that way in the name of their "god" I always wish I had the power to pull a switch and drop an H-bomb on that person. Their hearts must be encased in a cube of ice to actually believe that about others. They are like bullies in a playground acting worse than little animals who are unable to think for themselves.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • AGuest9

      Some of us who are atheist are sick and tired of the believers constantly posting their religious delusions all over science blogs! Fair is fair.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Edwardo

      @DeeCee – great post again! Your posts are always worth the read. Thank you for spending time on here, it is greatly appreciated.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Secure

      Uhhh... DeeCee pot calling kettle black? You just called someone a " coldblooded moron" hateful, want to drop the H- bomb? L.O.L sure sounds like you are a loving calm reasonable person yourself. Give yourself and you little adoring fans pats on the back. Religion has all the hate right? You atheists are hypocrites yourselves.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Thanks Eduardo! I like your posts too! Have a great day and never allow the haters to bring you down!

      May 20, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Edwardo

      @Secure – DeeCee is speaking metaphorically. DeeCee would not actually drop an H-Bomb, or any of the other frustration reactions described. Christians ACTUALLY DO IT !! They drop bombs, kill, hold votes, etc. etc. DeeCee is just voicing frustration, not carrying it out, or acting on it.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Secure

      The people behind those actions, whether they professed to believe in God or not (Hitler had no God remember this also) their actions were not Christian obviously and did not have Gods approval. When people name call on here or otherwise, their logic/ reasonableness and ultimately intelligence is in question. Next time DeeCee and everyone else can think before they type! Insults dont win arguments.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Darwi

      Hitler was a Catholic and had the blessing of the RCC for all that he did on their behalf.
      That you seek to reinforce the lie that he was an atheist just shows where your heart is at.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • mandarax

      The very first international treaty entered into by the Nazi Party was with the Vatican. The treaty protected the converted Jews living in Rome and basically the Pope said do what you will with the others. Ah, the church takes the moral high ground once again.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Edwardo

      @Secure – yes, I agree.. insults do not win arguments. However, your comment that HItler had no god, is absolutely incorrect. Please Google (or research) Hitler's beliefs. He did, indeed believe in the Christian god. He was taught to hate the Jews (because they killed Jesus) as a child. He was an altar boy for the Catholic Church. The Vatican threw parties for him. He was a believer in god...

      May 20, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • One one

      "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."

      – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2

      May 20, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
  7. Michael Worley

    as to your divorce argument... The concept of reforming divorce means less if gay marriage is legal. no-fault divorce makes so much more sense for gays than straights. Robert George correctly observed that divorce is the next fight once/if our side wins this battle.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • mandarax

      Any chance that you're Michael Worley from Wilkesboro?

      May 20, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • JWT

      There are only two sides – those who approve of cilvil rights (moral) and those that would deny them(immoral).

      May 20, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • Edwardo

      @JWT – Couldn't agree with you more. You're either with me, or against me. Seems like we're at war with the world, as Xtianity has had about a 2000 year adavantage over our (moral) side. Although their history proves the horror they inflict on humanity (crusades, witch burnings, holocaust, etc.), they insist on yet another hateful chapter in their history.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • JWT

      I dont feel that being religious is bad or harmful at all. Some of them do a lot of good in the world and their connection with their god does them good. At least it does no harm.

      My only point is that religious doctrine cannot be allowed influence on the laws of our society in and of itself. The bible is no reason to amek or deny rights or laws.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      Bring it on m*&ther f&^cker.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:56 am |
  8. Rainer Braendlein

    Infant baptism is good in itself, but it is not a magical or mechanical act. If an infant, which has got not faith, is baptized, the baptism remains ineffective (yet it is valid and can become effective, if someone become a believer in his riper years).

    According to Dr. Martin Luther, infant baptism should be applied, only if there is a reason to assume that the infant believes.

    I know that my statement is completely against sanity and reason, but yet it is biblical: An infant can believe.

    When can an infant believe?

    An infant can believe, when he is under the influence of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit dwells in the true Church. The true Church teaches that baptism is a divine call for discipleship and not a free ticket for heaven.

    Sacramental baptism is the gateway to a Christian life, but not the gateway to heaven. We will only enter heaven, if we really lived the Good Life in the power of baptism or Christ's death and resurrection.

    Regretably the mainline churches of today teach that baptism is a free ticket for heaven and not a call for discipleship. This is such a heresy that the Spirit has abandoned these churches and they mock God by infant baptism (warning: nevertheless every infant baptism is valid, because God is the invisible Baptist; even the Catholic infant baptism is valid, although the RCC has completely turned apostate from the real faith).

    May 20, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • One one

      Do you guys still cast out demons ?

      May 20, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • TPN51

      I think they do. I heard a Pentecostal service when they started speaking in tongue, sounded demonic. Quick exit for me.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • TPN51

      Rainer, a quick lesson in Theology. You have none and worse you are completely clueless about your quotes.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:45 am |
  9. Truth

    Thank you Darwi for your Comments. I'm only going to comment on what the Lord has put into my Spirit to say to you. Take it as you may. You refer to me as a you but you don't know me as I don't know you. Its obvious my truth is not yours and I respect. Now I never said any of those things. It was indeed the actions of some that profess to love the Lord. How are right in regards to many of your points. I completely agree with you. However, you lost me at Our Supreme Law is the Const!tution and it trumps your Bible, your religion, and your religious laws. My Supreme Law is the Infalliable Word of God and it trumps ever other man made law. Also, I'm not a religious person. I'm child of the True, Merciful, Omnipotent, Loving, and Almighty God. What I'm saying is not my feelings but His.... His that became mine. So am I brainwashed... I guess so. Call it what you may. However, the same way you feel the way you do, Is the same way I feel the way I feel. I respect that... May not agree but I respect.. Your quarrel is not with me but it is with The Lord.....as crazy and imaginary as He may seem to you and others. Doesn't phase me. we live in a free society. If we were to meet I would respect all the same. Regardless of how you feel, your one of His creations. Take care!!

    May 20, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Darwi

      "Truth", you are not understanding something very important here: In America we follow the rule of law, not your Bible and not your personal interpretation of it, but the Law of this country.
      Do you understand?
      I could not make it more clear than if I wore a badge and had a very large weapon shoved up your left nostril telling you this.

      By being a Citizen of this country, you implicitly agree to follow the Const!tution, and all Federal, State, and Local laws.
      This is not something you can decide not to follow without any consequences.

      If you truly do not recognize the Const!tution as being the Supreme Law that governs your physical life here in this country, then you have some options, like giving up your Citizenship and moving to a different country, or staying here and refusing to follow the law – in which case we can bring a tort action or other civil suit against you, file criminal charges against you, or have you committed to a psychiatric hospital.

      There aren't a lot of other options for you if you refuse to follow the law here.
      When the 13 Colonies signed the Const!tution, they were willing to suborn their colonial theocracies for the greater good of the country. They banded together to fight for freedom and in doing so had to take that step in having one Supreme Law over the whole country.
      To do this, they had to protect themselves and each other from each one's religion, for each Colony was a miniature theocracy filled with tiny theocratic enclaves. Many of these little religious enclaves hated the others even to the point of mass murder, torture, and all the rest of what we've come to expect from religious fanatics.
      This is why the First Amendment bars the intrusion of any religion into the public square.

      When you seek, woefully ignorantly as seems the case, to violate the First Amendment in this manner, you are not only violating the rights of others, you are violating the law, the Const!tution, and you are treasonously disrespecting everything about our country, our freedoms, and our equal rights.
      And for what? So you can feel good about being a "good" follower of your personal interpretation of your god?

      Your intent is criminal in the extreme. Your intent is treasonous.
      Your actions speak for themselves and you condemn yourself out of your own mouth.

      I'll say it again: Follow the law and keep your religion out of our government. You violate this precept at your peril.
      I will defend my freedoms and rights to the death. I do not care what you believe if it does not violate the rights of others.
      But you argue that your religion is Supreme.
      It is not supreme and never will be as long as I have breath to defend the Const!tution of these United States, which you spit upon and disrespect and violate over and over, smug in your religious delusion and hateful to other Americans.

      If it were up to me I'd have you deported or deprogrammed. But I have to follow the law, too. You spit on the law.
      Just wait and maybe you'll come to regret your treason against this country.
      I certainly hope so. People like you make me sick.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
  10. One one

    How many gods are there to believe in?
    God has angels, Satan has demons.
    My god and religion are real and true.
    YOUR religion is just a pile of bull poo.
    They say there’s only ONE god to believe in.
    If you don’t believe, it’s the ultimate sin.
    No more Zeus, Odin, or Thor, MY hero.
    We’re just one god away from the true number…. ZERO.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Edwardo

      Christians believe that "not believing" something, is such a horrific crime, it deserves eternal punishment! Yes, the Christian god is a victim (although he's supposedly perfect, he can still be victimized). Since when is a finite offense, deserving of infinite punishment?

      May 20, 2012 at 11:32 am |
  11. Secure

    I wonder if there is a single religion out there that supports ho.mo.s.e.xuality. I cant think of one. Maybe the "wiccans"?

    May 20, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Edwardo

      Since I personally do not believe in gods or religions, what someone else believes... should be irrelevant to me and my family. I despise abortion, STD's, hetero displays of public affection, teenage pregnancies - but I do not make ballot initiatives, to prevent Christians from living their lives.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      "Secure", all you have to do is look it up. There are a number of Christian denominations that support gay marriage and gay unions. I don't believe in religions since I can't think of any reason why I would, but I can think of many reasons, too numerous to list, why I don't believe.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:41 am |
  12. Tharms

    RE: "A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built."

    It strike me that most of what is wrong with Christianity, since about 1. A.D., lies in the belief that it is built upon upon "Peter" or "Paul" or "Moses" etc., or anyone else other than the simple loving and forgiving words and teachings Jesus of Nazareth. I'm not certain that Jesus or his god would recognize any of his professed followers as being worthy and true to his teachings

    May 20, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Secure

      IF you have belief in the Bible, you believe it is inspired by God. He used men to write His words.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Edwardo

      What is wrong with Christianity? You really think that's the problem with it? The biggest problem with it is #1, its god. The Christian god does not exist (and if he did, he is a blood thirsty killer). #2. Its followers – the largest group of haters and murderers in history. The list goes on and on and on....

      May 20, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      Uh. . .those words that you dearly love weren't written down until decades after "Jesus" supposedly lived and according to many many scholars nowadays much of the "Gospel" is made up or recycled from earlier mythical gods. Go look up earlier "gods" and you will find a number of them, conceived much earlier than "Jesus" did many of the same things he did in the Gospels, including being born of a virgin, walking on water, turning water into wine, having 12 apostles, being killed then resurrected, ascending into heaven, descending into hell, on and on. I'm so sorry, but you really shouldn't expect grown adults to have to accept your myths in this day and age just because you're too lazy to do the research for yourself. I'm just being real.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:36 am |
  13. mikstov33

    Oh well, it will all be over soon.....The planters of our Garden of Eden will return during the galactic alignment scheduled to occur on Dec. 21st and harvest the bounty of humans for their 26,000 year feeding cycle.
    Would this be a pagan view, something aethiests might embrace,the "real" reason for belief in a higher power, or some other comedic scenario? Most here are blind and stupid. God exists, we are not an accident and the Bible is the truth.Proof will be forthcoming......Organized religion has become a canker on the butt of humanity.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • mandarax

      "Proof will be forthcoming...." Ahh, the same old scam artist talk that has been around for thousands of years. Many finally just gave up and started promising that you will only see the proof after you die – that way they never have to deliver.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Edwardo

      Since you're going to go to heaven in December, can I have your belongings now? Just think how good you'll feel knowing how you helped someone. How unselfish you were! How you had no need for "worldly" things, when heaven was opening its doors for you.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • JWT

      My aren't you rude.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      While you have no proof that "god" or "gods" exist, you definitely won't find it in the Judeo-Christian "bible". That "bible" makes "god" look like a total moron. You won't find any real "god" in those myths written by bronze age people.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:19 am |
  14. Rainer Braendlein

    Everybody, who suffers from his personal sins, and suffers from a bad conscience and guilt, shall approach Christ and his Church. Everybody, who wants to get released, is welcome. Come on, dear sinner, and receive God's grace in Christ.

    "I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage.", Osler said.

    This is like someone would say: "I am an ecofreak, and I am in favor of brown coal power stations without filter."

    An orderly marriage between man an woman shall represent the relationship between Christ and his Church, which is a relationship of love and joyful partnership.

    Christ (the man) is strong, and the Church (the woman) is weak in herself. The Church needs to be guided by her bridegroom Christ. The Church gladly welcomes Christ's guidance and voluntarily invites him every day to take over rule.

    It is important to note that Christ only leads us, if we ask him for that. Even after (sacramental) baptism we are no Christ-robots, but still have a free human will. Christ considers our free human will and doesn't skip over it. However, it is in our own interest to daily ask Christ for help. We can overcome our sinfulness only by Christ. We are absolutely sinful in ourselves. Only by Christ's impact we can do works of love and righteousness. Only if we have lived a life of love and righteousness, we will finally enter heaven.

    A woman, biologically seen, is weaker than a man. Hence, any wife would be wise, if she would voluntarily ask her male partner for some guidance every day. A wife should never be the limp slave of her husband, but a kind partner of him. Yet, wife and husband have different capabilities and both should consider that. They can complement each other. The husband is not the master of his wife, but her partner, who promotes the marriage by his characteristic as man. The husband puts his arm around his wife and if she is wise, she will thank him for that and enjoy it.

    I strictly reject the Islamic marriage, where the wife is a limp slave of the husband. That is not according to Christ's will and not much better than gay marriage. The Islamic marriage is an abomination in God's eyes and even demonic. It rather represents the rule of the law over the human being as long as he or she doesn't believe in the Redeemer Jesus, the kind bridegroom, who kills the bridegroom "law".

    Gay marriage is objectonable, because it is outside God's eternal order. Gay marriage is ill. It would be as ill as Christ would marry another Christ, or the Church would marry another Church. Absolutely meaningless, just mad.

    Furthermore gay marriage is a clear proof for disbelief in Christ. A gay has not returned into the confident relationship, with the Lord, the Eternal God, which has made heaven and earth. Assumed one has returned into the confident relationship with God, he trusts God that he once will give him a fitting wife and up to this day he will live in abstinence for God's sake. Hence, abstinence is a clear indicator for the real faith, which saves.

    Moreover, gayness is a crime against the wife, which God had actually predetermined for someone. As long as one remains gay, he can never marry the wife, which God actually wanted to give him. Everybody could be the optimal partner for a certain person of the opposite genter. If he or she is gay, this optimal relationship will never emerge. That is a great pity and regretable.

    From the Christian sight gay marriage is to reject. It is an absolute abomination in God's eyes like gayness at all. Someone who remains gay up to the end of his life will certainly get lost, even if he blieves in a cheap-grace-Jesus, which is a false Jesus. There is no assurance of salvation seperated from a life of practical love and righteousness according to God's will.

    Yet, gays and all other sinners can return into the confident relationship with the eternal God by the gospel of Jesus Christ today:

    God, the Father, delivered God, the Son, for our sins and raised him from the dead for our justification.

    Believe that, dear gay or ordinary sinner, and get sacramentally baptized. At baptism you die for the sin (for example gayness, hated, greed, revenge, mean, lie, murder, adultery, fornication, anger, insulting, condemning, cursing, etc.) and you enter Christ. You die and resurrect together with Jesus. After baptism you are no longer a slave of your sinful body, but your body becomes a slave of the Spirit (of course, this only takes place, if we daily invite the Spirit to rule our sinful body, which is the real faith, which means to present the body as a living sacrifice).


    May 20, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • DAVID

      What a load of crap you have written! If Jesus Christ himself walked this earth, you all would call him a fake! Get over it!

      May 20, 2012 at 11:27 am |
  15. DiedrichKyrian

    Osiris said if your heart weighs more than a feather, you will consumed by a Crocodile.

    Make sure your heart wieghs less than a feather!! Repent now!

    May 20, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      OMG. We have crocs living in the area. . . I'm so scared now!

      May 20, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • mandarax

      Yeah, all these people talk big now, but what will they do when they die and meet Osiris and they haven't had their hearts properly mummified?

      May 20, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • Edwardo

      Dear Sky Daddy – Please forgive me for being human, although you created me that way. Please forgive me for despising Christianity, for being the oppressive religion it is. Please forgive me for not believing in slavery, burning witches, (and for sleeping with one of the football players in high school.. shhhhshhh! OK, am I going to heaven now??

      May 20, 2012 at 11:21 am |
  16. nolongerdem

    Why not 'A muslim case for gay marriage'?????

    May 20, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      Because in America, it's the Christian religious fanatics who are trying to bully the gay minority.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • Edwardo

      Because their countries live under a theocracy. Us sane people are trying to keep Xtians from taking control of our lives, our government, our sanity.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • mandarax

      Yes! What DeeCee and Eduardo said.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:22 am |
  17. Rainer Braendlein

    "It is not our place, it seems, to sort out who should be denied a bond with God and the Holy Spirit of the kind that we find through baptism, communion, and marriage. The water will flow where it will.", Osler continues to spew.

    Of course, any person, which wants to get baptized, needs some pastoral care before. He or she should really be asked, if he or she wants to get set free from every sin. Nobody should dare to keep a concrete sin and to get baptized at the same time. A mean man should want to get a merciful heart through baptism and not want to keep on being mean after baptism. Baptism is a rebith, which makes us people, which are filled with love and righteousness.

    How can we become people, which regret their sins?

    Solution: The gospel:

    Jesus, the Son of God, died for our sins and resurrected from the dead for our justification or

    Jesus has borne our sins, when he died for us on the cross.

    This should make us affected and mind about our sins. Jesus had to die, because we have sinned.

    The gospel can cause that we want no longer continue to sin, but get released.

    If we want to get released, we should get baptized or refer to our infant baptism. At baptism we die for the sin and receive Christ, which overcomes our sinful body. Also, if we refer to our infant baptism, we receive the Spirit, which overcomes our sinful body.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      And spend the rest of eternity living with hateful bigots and idiots like you in "heaven"? . . .no thanks.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • Edwardo

      I wouldn't worship, or spend eternity with you, or your blood-thirsty make believe sky daddy.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • t3chsupport

      But you'll let rapists, murderers, serial cheaters, wife and child beaters get baptised and married, even though they won't change their ways. But someone does something you don't like with their junk, and they're godless heathens!

      I'd so rather be a heathen.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:37 am |
  18. Tim S.

    This is an easy argument:

    Step One: Throw out the Bible.

    Step Two: Make up your own belief system, based upon what YOU think is right.

    Step Three: Make sure and call all Bible-believing Christians "stupid" "bigots" and other equally fact-filled epithets.

    Step Four: Stand back and bask in the glow of all the Liberal, non-Bible believing, non-Bible knowing pseudo-Christians.

    It's easy. People have been doing this for over 1900 years.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Edwardo

      I know what you mean Tim. How dare someone not believe there are invisible people in the sky! How dare them not believe the earth is flat, and is the center of the universe! It's shocking!!

      May 20, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      Yes, you're such the victim. Let's pull out the Kleenex for the poor poor Christians. They no longer have the authority to kill and torture the non-believers. . .they're so mistreated. Poor poor Christians.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • JWT

      All the gid and bible believing chirstians that I know fully support gay marriage.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • Tim S.

      And, the three of you, with your ridiculous, emotional, and non-fact-filled responses perfectly prove my point.

      Thank you.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      Timmy, I hate to break it to you. . . but you have no point.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:43 am |
  19. Nii

    I find it funny that stupid and unintelligent people like you wud seek to defend something you do not even understand with a mixture of hatred, insults, propaganda and sheep-mindedness. How many of u have actually studied the Biology of being gay or the Psychology of it?

    May 20, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • Edwardo

      I know Nii – we all need to be well studied, like you. We need to read and understand, because only you have done that. Nobody else can possible know what you know.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      OMG NII, you're an absolutely genius. I wish I knew as much as you do. How do you do it? I can't believe how smart you are!

      May 20, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • mandarax

      Yeah, Nii, about that. I'll ask again about all those biology textbooks you claimed had warnings against mixing the digestive and reproductive systems. Please list some – this should be easy since you claimed practically all of them say this. Or did you just make that up?

      May 20, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • AGuest9

      Nii, looking at many of your posts, if you are as educated as you claim to be, you would have been introduced to grammar and composition at some point.

      May 20, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
  20. Valerie

    Thank you! I refreshing article from a man with a true heart. Please, people! Love one another! This is Jesus' plea to us!

    May 20, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      Yeah! Jesus is all about Love! That explains hundreds and hundreds of years of torturing, killing, mass murdering and suppressing women by the Christians in the name of "Jesus". Go educate yourself sweetie, you'll be doing your country a big favor. Oh and by the way, your "bible" clearly states that women should keep their opinions to themselves and their mouths shut. You have no say-so according to your "bible". You're more like chattel made by "god" to make babies for you hubbies and nothing else. Don't blame me. . . .I'm only telling you what your "bible" says.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • DAVID

      DeeCee1000 I believe you got it all correct!

      May 20, 2012 at 11:31 am |
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