My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage
The author backs same-sex marriage because of his faith, not in spite of it.
May 19th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage

Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

By Mark Osler, Special to CNN

I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.

What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.

A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.

During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.

After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old Testament.

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Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).

His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise.

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It is not our place, it seems, to sort out who should be denied a bond with God and the Holy Spirit of the kind that we find through baptism, communion, and marriage. The water will flow where it will.

Intriguingly, this rule will apply whether we see homosexuality as a sin or not. The water is for all of us. We see the same thing at the Last Supper, as Jesus gives the bread and wine to all who are there—even to Peter, who Jesus said would deny him, and to Judas, who would betray him.

The question before us now is not whether homosexuality is a sin, but whether being gay should be a bar to baptism or communion or marriage.

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The answer is in the Bible. Peter and Jesus offer a strikingly inclusive form of love and engagement. They hold out the symbols of Gods’ love to all. How arrogant that we think it is ours to parse out stingily!

I worship at St. Stephens, an Episcopal church in Edina, Minnesota. There is a river that flows around the back and side of that church with a delightful name: Minnehaha Creek. That is where we do baptisms.

The Rector stands in the creek in his robes, the cool water coursing by his feet, and takes an infant into his arms and baptizes her with that same cool water. The congregation sits on the grassy bank and watches, a gentle army.

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At the bottom of the creek, in exactly that spot, is a floor of smooth pebbles. The water rushing by has rubbed off the rough edges, bit by bit, day by day. The pebbles have been transformed by that water into something new.

I suppose that, as Peter put it, someone could try to withhold the waters of baptism there. They could try to stop the river, to keep the water from some of the stones, like a child in the gutter building a barrier against the stream.

It won’t last, though. I would say this to those who would withhold the water of baptism, the joy of worship, or the bonds of marriage: You are less strong than the water, which will flow around you, find its path, and gently erode each wall you try to erect.

The redeeming power of that creek, and of the Holy Spirit, is relentless, making us all into something better and new.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Mark Osler.

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  1. R7

    You are right about the transforming power of GOD, He loves his children
    too much to let them live in preversion. He give them the power to make thier lives right by leaving the gay lifestyle. Many have done it.

    You can't be a Christian and be Gay, any more then you can be a Vegan and eat meat.

    May 23, 2012 at 7:08 pm |

      AMEN, AMEN... and AMEN! 🙂 Thank you. JESUS CHRIST makes it plain in HIS WORD: "Let a man deny himself, take up his cross and follow me." You must be "crucify the deeds of your flesh" and "deny yourself" in order to truly FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST. You cannot abide in that which HE HAS DECLARED SIN and yet, think you can walk in Salvation. Salvation, means(first): REPENTANCE OF FLESH, REJECTION OF FLESH, REGENERATION FROM FLESH. Meaning, in Christ Jesus you cannot get to be "you" and yet, be of Christ Jesus. You have to be willing to LET one of the two go. Either we are willing to LET GO of our own ways, desires, lusts, ambitions, instincts, thoughts and trade that in for A LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS and HIS HOLINESS or we are willing to LET GO of His Holiness, His Salvation, His Sacrifice, HIs Redemption, His Sanction to continue on in our own way, our own lives, our own thoughts, our own lusts, our own ambitions. This is why THE WORLD is "enmity with God." Because it is TWO TOTALLY, DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED STANDARDS. God's Standard is you do things His Way and by way of His Son - The Lord Jesus Christ - The Word Made Flesh and there is no compromise to it. That is why JESUS SAID: "MY WAY IS NARROW." Or, you follow The World's Standard, which is everyone gets to "set their own standard" and do as their own will and own flesh pleases to do." JESUS SAID THE WAY OF THE WORLD IS: "Broad, wide... destruction."

      May 23, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • JWT

      According to he christian religion beign gay is fine – they can even get married in the cristian churches.

      May 23, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • sublime

      R7 – you are very right.....but why do gays want to be christians? Why do they want to marry in a christian church? This has got to be one of THE most baffling mysteries of all....? Why wouldn't one pick some form of religion that actually agrees with your lifestyle...??

      May 23, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • JWT

      Because they believe in god sublime and are christian. Only some christian churches deny them, not all. Christian churches see no harm or foul in beign both gay and a christian.

      May 23, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
  2. suibne

    ah the socialist mind and the fallacy of assumed authority. this moron has no idea what the real is issue is But he will assume know more about theology than the church and therefore they should ignore two thousand years of practice and theory. Shut up you moron.

    May 23, 2012 at 7:06 pm |

    Elrey... I am sure you would say that. Because only HIS TRUE FOLLOWERS are truly walking in His Power, His Truth, His Light and His Love to destroy the YOKE OF SIN and shine a LIGHT ON THE DARKNESS OF SIN that keeps followers of The Flesh, of The World bound to SIN. But, if you were wise... You would THANK JESUS CHRIST for placing His Followers here, because we truly (like Him) care for your ETERNAL SOULS and want to see you SET FREE FROM THE LIES OF THE FLESH, LIES OF THE WORLD, LIES OF SIN, LIES OF THE DEVIL. That you may experience THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and truly have ETERNAL LIFE and LIFE MORE ABUNDANTLY (free from the power of sin).

    May 23, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • JWT

      No thanks – keep your religion to yourself.

      May 23, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
  4. AMY

    WOW im just trying to figure out how so called religious people even gets the athority over peoples, lives period exspecially when its between them and their GOD, it seems to me that false followers of christ dominate the religious spectrom in this country and are quick to judge before ever setting foot in anothers hardship or goodness forbid have any empathy for another human being that may be different.....no instead just sling around sarcastic hurtful remarks and call it being clever or even worse Jesus like.

    May 23, 2012 at 6:59 pm |

      But, if JESUS true followers are "different" from HIM, then why did JESUS say those of you in THE WORLD "Hate Him?" And, that The World would Hate HIs Followers? You know what I mean? JESUS SAID Y'ALL (those of you in The World) HATE HIM FIRST. See, the reason those of you of Humanist, Secularist, Atheists or "other spiritual" beliefs reject THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST and HIS TRUE FOLLOWERS and HIM is because HIS GOSPEL is 100% about ridding HUMANITY of its "own way" and its "own desires" and its "own lusts." Y'all don't want to give up "who you are" y'all don't like the MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL which clarifies that except you REPENT OF YOUR WAY, YOUR SINS & BE BORN AGAIN and MAKE JESUS CHRIST LORD, that you are UNFORGIVEN, LOST, BOUND and will PERISH IN YOUR SINS. That is why y'all reject The Gospel of Jesus Christ and that is why y'all reject The TRUE Followers of Christ Jesus. Because HIs Way IS Narrow. And, uncompromising to SIN. So, it is not His true followers that you have angst with, it is HIM that you have angst with, we merely LIFT HIM UP, we merely ACCEPT HIS WORD, we merely SPEAK HIS WORD, we merely HOLD TO HIS WORD, we merely SHARE & PREACH HIS GOSPEL and His Gospel is to as HE SAID: "Call The Sinner to Repentance" I did not say that.. .HE SAYS THAT.

      May 23, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • sublime

      Amy – The largest majority of Christians do not hate anyone....I can disagree with someones lifestyle in principle – and still love them. Many parents feel this way about their own children. However the gay community – and not all of them either....but there are groups of them that are very political and they want to change laws – and not just a few. Religious freedom is at stake in this battle and believe me its serious.....They say they just want equality – but we all know it is much more than that......they will try to make the bible "hate literature" and make it illegal for a church not to marry them......this is not going to go away.

      May 23, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It isn't a "lifestyle" anymore than your marriage to a person of the opposite gender is a "lifestyle", you moron.

      Really, do you people never read anything but the Bible? Where do you get these stupid ideas?

      May 23, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • sublime

      Sorry Tommy ....this is all so confusing!! Oprah had a large group of gay and lesbians and they said – they chose this "lifestyle" and were NOT born this way – as they did not want to be considered a genetic mistake.....It is a lifestyle and it is chosen....

      May 23, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
  5. conway193

    Religion is garbage.

    May 23, 2012 at 6:29 pm |

      Sin is 100% garbage. And, what happens to garbage? It is cast away and ultimately burned!

      May 23, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • such

      L....today, where i live, garbage is recycled–gods will i would hope-you walk the "riduculous" tightrope and you are slipping off–you have submitted to many strident, judgemental, and opininated posts.....jesus protect us from L

      May 24, 2012 at 2:49 am |
  6. kawd dagle

    Let us see; Jesus loves sinners and died for them. John 3.16 & 17.

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
    20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
    21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    But is extremely clear who will not inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6.9 & 19.

    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    May 23, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
  7. Carol

    I guess since no sacrament should be denied then a 60 year old man "in love" with a 14 year old girl should be allowed to marry her? Give me a break!

    May 23, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Mark

      Equating love between two mature adults and the perversion of pedophilia with a naive child is either the refuge of stupidity, ignorance, or a whole new kind of union of blasphemy.

      Something about "not what goes in, but comes out" immediately springs to mind.

      May 23, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • Brian

      Well if she was 18 then there is no problem.

      May 23, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      In what state do 14-year-olds have the ability to consent as adults?

      May 23, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Here's a clue, you moron:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

      May 23, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
  8. KP

    You can't just throw words out there and suddenly they are related because you used them in the same sentence. Baptism, Communion, Marriage, Worship. These words are not on the same level with each other, so your comparison is flawed from the beginning. Baptism and Communion are considered sacraments, Marriage is a covenant, Worship is a choice. Learn what words mean, professor, before you try to use them. Or, maybe you know exactly what they mean and think others are just less intelligent than you.

    May 23, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  9. Gerald Herrin

    Ah, cafeteria Christianity. What a wonderful thing. If it is inconvenient or says that I can't do whatever I want to do, then a simple revision will do the trick. My what a way to have my therapy sessions and claim that God has given me a special dispensation. The real question is why bother? Perhaps it's that progressive high that the cafeteria guy gets.... But then the Episcopal Church has left Christianity many years ago. Old habits die hard.

    May 23, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Snuffy

      Isn't all Christianity basically cafeteria Christianity? Else why would there be so many varieties?

      May 23, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
  10. notquiteonboard

    We should stop thinking Christian beliefs have much to do with the bible.

    We "love our neighbor", but in private will describe gay people with words like 'filthy' and 'abomination'.
    We "care for the poor", as long as they don't ask us to pitch in so they can go to the doctor.
    We're "pro life", until that life is born and leaves the hospital. In fact, we hope to repeal that life's ability to go to the doctor.
    (which makes us simply pro-birth, but that's cheaper than really being pro-life)

    We don't "Bear false witness against thy neighbor", unless that neighbor is a black Christian running for President. In that case, God lets us tell everyone he's a muslim.

    Jesus didn't didn't tell Lazarus' parents that being dead is a pre-existing condition.
    He didn't ask Lazarus' parents if they had an insurance card.
    He didn't call them socialists for thinking he'd help them without payment.
    ...But Christians do. And most of them proudly vote for the people that want to keep doing it.

    May 23, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • ProudJew

      You speak my mind. I wish it were not so.

      May 23, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Elrey

      Jesus, protect us from your followers. Please!

      May 23, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • sublime

      Absolute garbage!! Embellishing....lying....my, my! You need to spend some time studying goverment stats my friend!! The Christian community world wide give $$, food, and care to the world of poverty than any other people group in the world. Do you want to see the stats for adoptions worldwide as well...lets see who adopts more of the unwanted babies or runs the most orphanages.....hmmmm – Christians do!! Check out the Salvation Army alone.....you are distorting the truth and it is very sad. You do not have to agree or partake of the christian faith.....but to deny the astonomical giving that takes place is ridiculous......even George Clooney who is a strong democrat could not deny what he saw in Africa with the missionaries...shame on you

      May 23, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It's "government", Einstein.

      May 23, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • sublime

      Thanks for the compliment Tommy!!! I love Einstein!! xo

      May 23, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I wager he'd be embarrassed by you.

      May 23, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • notquiteonboard

      Sublime, few of the people at my church give a rip about helping poor people go to the doctor. You really think donations, bake sales and coat drives are as good as providing the same medical access that the rest of the developed world does?

      Look at it this way... Take away every paved road in America, and announce churches will rebuild them with donations and charitable giving. How soon would this infrastructure be replaced? Few people know or care how much of their taxes go to something a huge a roads and highways...so why is it so bad to use some tax dollars in support of Matthew 25?

      I won't change any minds,and I don't expect to. I'm already preparing my family for an exit from this toxic culture. Perhaps Evangelical Christianity will achieve nirvana and kill the already watered-down healthcare law. At least we can give the poor some donated coats so they can die warm.

      May 23, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
  11. Myrle McLeod

    Peter is not, and never was, the Rock. Witness his thrice denial of Christ. When Christ said, "Upon this rock will I build my church," he was talking about Himself.

    May 23, 2012 at 5:18 pm |

      THANK YOU BRO. MYRLE! AMEN... AMEN... and AMEN. ! 🙂 That's right, if you look at the scripture the translation of Peter comes from the Greek "petra" The Lord Jesus Christ is merely using Simon Peter's name to point out THE TRUTH of WHO HE IS, not who "peter is." So, it is "thou art Peter ["petra" translatable to "a pebble" ], UPON THIS ROCK (Jesus referring to Himself... How do we know? Becuase we see in The Book of Daniel with Nebachanezzar's dream where The Hand of God hewns out a ROCK to destroy the "image"'; we also see where Jesus says it is better that you "Fall upon THE ROCK and be broken (referring to Himself), than for THE ROCK to fall upon you and be crushed; we see Jesus saying THE ROCK (The Stone) that the builders rejected have become THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE (referring to Himself) and in all instances when we see THE ROCK or ROCK OF AGES or CHIEF CORNERSTONE, this is The Lord Jesus Christ being referred to OR referring to Himself). So, when Jesus says: "thou art Peter (petra, a pebble) UPON THIS ROCK I BUILD MY CHURCH (The Church is His Bride, only He can lay claim to it, that is why He says "My Church") and THE VERY GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT." This is The Lord Jesus Christ all day long referring to Himself, it is JESUS CHRIST THE ROCK which THE CHURCH is built upon, not a "pebble" i.e., Peter. AND, THE ROCK (JESUS CHRIST) says plainly: "Have you not read from the beginning God created them male and female and for this cause a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife (not husband) and the twain shall be one flesh, what God has put together (male and female) let no man put asunder (separate, disparage, disunite)." - JESUS CHRIST THE ROCK MATTHEW 19.

      May 23, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
  12. Rick

    Congrats for taking on this thankless task!

    The folks against gay marriage will quote the Old Testament, and the people in favor will use the New Testament. Unfortunately, the logical inconsistencies evident between these two works and indeed within the Christian faith itself will provide fodder for an eternal stalemate.

    May 23, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
  13. Caffeinated Opinion

    None of your are aware enough to talk about God. You're like ants biting each others legs off over a hill of sand. Just live life, don't give your self a headache trying to think too hard.

    May 23, 2012 at 5:07 pm |

      No, YOU ARE NOT AWARE ENOUGH to "talk about God" because YOU do not KNOW HIM, neither DOES HIS WORD ABIDE in YOU. For you must KNOW & RECEIVE HIS SON, by way of HIS HOLY SPIRIT and then HIS SPIRIT shall "lead you" and "guide you into all truth." Sadly, your comment reveals that you are truly absent of a RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and GOD THE FATHER. I pray you get into HIS WORD (THE BIBLE) and ASK JESUS CHRIST to truly be LORD in your life and over your life and He will reveal Himself to you, and then YOU can say as I and others who receive HIM: WE BELIEVE THE REPORT OF THE LORD! FOR HE WALKS WITH US! HE TALKS WITH US, HE HATH MADE HIS LOVE MANIFEST IN US, AND BY THE SHEDDING OF HIS BLOOD (AND, REPENTANCE OF OUR SIN AND THE ACCEPTANCE OF HIS SHED BLOOD - OUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN, AND WE HAVE ***POWER*** OVER SIN). I pray you seek His Face, while it may yet be found.

      May 23, 2012 at 6:39 pm |

    Studying_Nomad The Words I quoted are The Words of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. See, y'all only Love Jesus when He talks about "love" but, not when He talks about our SIN and how His Love reproves Sin and redeems us from Sin and calls us to Repentance of Sin. The Lord Jesus Christ does not care about you "going back to Church." He cares about you BEING THE CHURCH. The Bible is clear... The Church (HIS BRIDE) is not a "building made up by physical hands" but, it is a building of believers that are "lively stones" that are built up by His Holy Spirit. It is a building that is called out of The World, it is a building that Keeps His Commandments and Laws (Husbands love your wives (not husbands) as Christ Jesus Loves The Chruch); Wives submit yourselves to your Husbands (not wives) as unto The Lord." Jesus Christ says: "If you love me you will keep my commandments." The TRUE CHURCH is not the buidling, but the BODY OF BELIEVERS that "believes on Him and His WORD - THE BIBLE." For The Bible, need I remind all, is THE WORD OF JESUS CHRIST. It is not the "word" of any other, it is HIs Word, for in it is Christ Jesus revealed and His Gospel, which is the Power unto Salvation. STOP LOOKING FOR A BUILDING, and START LOOKING TO BE HIS BUILDING... HIS HOLY DWELLING PLACE, WHERE HIS HOLY SPIRIT CAN ABIDE AND NOT BE GRIEVED. - THIS IS THE CHURCH: THE BODY OF CHRIST JESUS. THE BUILDING MADE WITH HANDS IS DEAD. THE BODY– HIS BODY - WE ARE ALIVE FOR WE ABIDE IN HIS WORD AND IN HIS HOLY SPIRIT. AND, HIS WORD IS SPIRIT AND LIFE. Seek HIS HOLY WORD THE BIBLE. DO IT. APPLY IT. LIVE IT. EMBRACE IT. For it is "the perfect law of liberty." He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit of The Lord says. "

    May 23, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • JWT


      May 23, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
  15. ProudJew

    I'm confused: How did the early Christians, who were Jews, totally go and mess up a perfectly good faith? We don't have these issues in the Jewish community. Why is that?

    May 23, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • JIm

      God wrote you guys off a long time ago, have you never read Romans?

      May 23, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Christian

      To ProudJew,

      Judaism teaches the story of Jesus and the new covenant throughout the Old Testament. Your faith was not "perfectly good" it was flawed. It relied on man following God's commandments perfectly, which no one, except Jesus, can do. The Law showed us that we needed a Messiah and that is what Christianity is. It is the completion of the Judaism. It was meant to be for the Jew first then the Gentile.

      May 23, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Mark

      Uhhh.... Jesus was only preaching to the jews, and his words weren't really meant for others... blame Paul fro shoving it around, blame yourselves for not looking in the mirror to see it was (still is) all true.

      May 23, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • brian santa maria

      The other two responses to your question are obviously idiots. I'm a christian but I lived in a Hasidic community for a long time and I would argue that sects of Judaism have just as much problem with social standards as anyone else. I don't understand your logic.

      May 23, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
  16. neverwrong

    Weeeeeak !

    May 23, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
  17. Orellana

    [ doublethink ]

    May 23, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
  18. George

    CNN, Thank you for at least presenting differing sides of this debate and the blog to see peoples input. I read the other post from "My take: why some Christians focus on gays" good one.

    May 23, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  19. Bad Analogy

    Dr. Osler,

    The example of Peter dining with Gentiles is not a good analogy for Christian pastors blessing alternate unions.

    Think back: Gentiles were welcomed into Israel even in the Deuteronomy days (under headings like "foreigner" and "alien". See Isaiah 56 – http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2056). There was a part of the Temple set aside just for them!

    It was only a matter of time before God gave them Gentiles full citizenship in His kingdom, which happened officially under Peter. (Acts 10 – http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+10)

    As for Israel, do you forget how our spiritual forefathers acted? What happened when Jerusalem was under siege? What did Joseph forgive his brothers for? God invited those people back again and again, but He did not change His standard.

    Christian churches have got to have a good offer for those seeking alternate unions (Lord knows Jesus does!), but it won't do any good to muddy the water about God's standards.

    And it certainly won't do any good to go around saying, "I'm good enough" and "you aren't".... because we all know that's not true.

    May 23, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
  20. Kindness

    A few thoughts to consider without a typical ego response....

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Let go and let god".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome

    May 23, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Bruce

      If what you say is true, Kindness, then it is better for us to not marry at all!


      May 23, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • sharon

      So, you're saying Christians living fully in grace will let go of the desire to control and limit the freedom of others. Right?

      May 23, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
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