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May 21st, 2012
03:58 PM ET

Truce between Obama and Romney on faith?

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Washington (CNN)– A political truce may be brewing between the Obama and Romney campaigns on the issue of the candidates' faith and religious practice.  An all-out war over such issues nearly erupted last week, but neither campaign would take up arms.

The controversy began after word got out of a Republican Super PAC's proposal to try to put a spotlight on President Barack Obama's fiery former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., just like in 2008. But Mitt Romney, the presumptive GOP nominee for president, slapped the effort down before it even got off the ground (and the Super PAC's leaders insisted the Wright campaign was just one of several ideas).

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"I repudiate that effort," Romney told reporters on Thursday. "I think it's the wrong course for a PAC or a campaign. I hope that our campaigns can respectfully be about the future and about issues and about a vision for America."

Romney's lifelong membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is seen by some as a major liability, especially among evangelical voters and voters who don't know much about Mormonism.

After word of the proposed Wright campaign, Democratic pundits argued that if Obama's old pastor was back on the table, Romney's Mormonism should be, too, including the church's checkered history on the issue of race.

On Sunday, during CNN's State of the Union with Candy Crowley, senior Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod said that his camp repudiates attacks against Romney's faith.

“We've said that's not fair game. And we wish that Gov. Romney would stand up as strongly and as resolutely consistently to refute these kinds of things on his side,” the Obama strategist told Crowley.

"We both ought to take the right position," Axelrod said.  He proceeded to take a few shots at Romney, noting the former Massachusetts said in February that Wright was fair game.

Either way, both campaigns are now on the record saying the tinder box of their rival's faith is now off the table.

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soundoff (188 Responses)
  1. gop usa

    Mormons are a CULT!! I AM A REPUBLICAN AND WILL NOT VOTE FOR A CULT BISHOP!!

    May 22, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • souptwins

      Lucky for you a "mormon bishop" isn't running for Pres. Unlike most religions, being a local ecclesiastic leader is only for a short time and Romney was only a "Bishop" for about 5 yrs. in the 80's. Under the definition of "cult" pretty much every organized religion would qualify as one. Too bad you will never again be practicing your right to vote.

      May 23, 2012 at 1:25 am |
    • peter

      souptwins–i think gop is saying he or she will be sitting out the gen election like me–Don't worry,we will be voting again in the 2016 gen election.

      May 23, 2012 at 3:21 am |
  2. Mormon magical underwear

    Mormons are a sick and twisted cult that distorts and perverts the biible.They believe that JOESOPH SMITH is the messiah when he was a con man,cheat,rapist,molester,polyigimist,murderer. Then they believe in theBOOK OF MORMON which JOESOPH SMITH created to control his followers and con them. Then they believe in MORMON MAGICAL UNDERWEAR THAT PROTECTS THEM FROM EVIL,and only the most devout shall never take them off.Then they believe that GOD LIVES IN OUTER SPACE ON A PLANET NAMED KOLOB LOL. Then when you die you become a god too.They also believe dark skinned people are subhuman. NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE CHRISTIAN!! YET MORMONS SPIN IT AND PRETEND THEY ARE SWEET AS PIE. IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN THEN WHY NOT GO TO A CHRISTIAN CHURCH? I am a repub but will not sell out my christian faith and vote for BISHOP ROMNEY, I WILL STAY HOME. Mormons will lie and spin it ,but why on earth would you wanna be in a religion you have to lie and hide your beliefs? SORRY MAGICAL SKIDMARK ROMNEY I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A CULTIST

    May 22, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • souptwins

      I'm pretty everyone that reads these boards very often recognizes your bigoted, misinformed hatred for Mormons and pretty much skip all your posts. But hey, whatever keeps you busy.

      May 23, 2012 at 1:27 am |
  3. moose

    My only problem with mormon church is it seems to be such a profit center they own tons of land tons of stock the no caffine rule went out when they bought stock in coke they own part of timex the boy scouts . I read a article that said 1.68 of every members tie goes to help poor well 10 percent of their income is a lot more than 1.68 so where is rest of money building temples while people die in streets kids starve all over the world at least the catholics try to feed kids in poor nations and give them some food and water I guess these guys just spend money on sending missions out to get more members to increase profit then someday if everybody joins and everyone puts in 1.68 it will feed a lot of people and we can have a temple on every corner to show god how much he means to us never mind the homeless you kicked out and won't let in. It was the 70 s before blacks were able to be members of the church because the feds were gonna cut off highway funding

    May 22, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
    • souptwins

      Actually blacks could always be "members" of the LDS church. It was in 1978 that blacks were allowed to hold the priesthood. How many people are allowed to hold the priesthood in most religions? Do you have to attend a seminary or have a college degree? Isn't that being prejudice against those who don't? How many churches allowed other races to even worship with them before the civil rights movement?
      Who do those rotten Mormons think they are owning their own cattle ranches and farms so they can support their own welfare needs instead of relying on govt. assistance alone? Awful!!

      May 23, 2012 at 1:32 am |
    • Jackie

      Have you ever seen Catholic cathedrals? Have you ever looked up how much aid Mormons give around the world? I personally think both religions do an admirable job of caring for the poor and the needy. And both religions spend money on their own buildings too, because pretty much every religion does.

      May 23, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • SloppyJ

      Well, if you "read an article" somewhere, it must be true. I I thought Mormons were supposed to be gullible. And they own part of Timex?! NOOOOOOOO . . NOT THE WATCH THAT TAKES A LICKING AND KEEPS ON TICKING!! IT'S ALL PART OF THEIR PLAN FOR WORLD DOMINATION!!

      It's times like these I ask myself . . why do I bother with these comment sections? Naught but lunatics, extremists, idjits, smug anti-religious "intellectuals" . . when the LDS church runs things, you'll be sorry!

      May 23, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
  4. moose

    does it matter there are the outside supporters that will attack both on this issue obamas not being that bad in my mind but remeber the republican'ts attacked a metal of honor winner and his rival hid from the draft in new orleans they have no shame

    May 22, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
  5. beau

    Religious sales people believe that they can sell their version of Christianity to weak-minded Christians. Mr. Osteen is attempting to use his standing among Christians to influence the election. Thus, he has revealed his hand and should have no credibility with true followers of Christ. Mormonism does not adhere to the teachings of Christ and therefore it is not Christianity. Many will preach in His name, but beware of them. Christians are followers of Christ and know the he is GOD. Moreover, they are advocates for the poor and homeless.

    May 22, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • regularguy22

      Well, I would certainly place more value in voting for a Mormon as opposed to voting for a person like Obama – who appears to use religion as a political tool

      May 22, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • Mormon magical underwear

      Mormons are sick and twisted cultists that distort the biblical teachings and are not christians and never will be,If they were christians why wouldnt they just join a christian chrurch.

      May 22, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
  6. beau

    Dear Hispanics,
    If any of you are considering handing your vote to the GOP, please visit the Fox Entertainment News comment section under any article that mentions race or immigration. Read the comments (or read the comments from conservatives visiting this website), and ask yourself if you want to be on the same side as these "people."Those comments were so disgusting that Fox decided to shut down comments on their articles. You can't comment on articles anymore there. A left wing Mexican Mormon and an Indian Hindu (no, not Native American, the other kind).
    Now that's what I call a right wing Christian conservative dream ticket.
    LMAO
    This has to be a funny movie, this cannot be real.

    May 22, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • regularguy22

      Dear Hispanics

      Thank you for the hard work that you have done to contribute to our society. You are us and are most appreciated.

      Signed,
      A conservative

      May 22, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Keith

      I quit reading Fox since I can't comment

      May 22, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
    • Jackie

      Dear Hispanics,

      Please don't think all Republicans are hateful. Stereotyping an entire group is equally wrong whether it's Republicans or Hispanics or Catholics or Mormons or Democrats or whatever. Yes, there are crazy racist Republican wingnuts who say horrible things. But a lot of us Republicans are embarrassed by them and completely disagree.

      Sincerely,
      A Republican who supports immigration

      May 23, 2012 at 11:27 am |
  7. beau

    So the Republicans are going to settle on an east coast, elite, millionaire from an aristocratic family? What is his experience that will make him a successful Conservative President?
    1. He fires people, lays off employees, and outsources jobs while pocketing the pension funds of those same employees.
    2. He is comfortable in an upper class setting. After all, America IS the upper class, isn't it? The little people, like you and I, are not really very important. People of Romney's class and background see us as livestock that can understand English.
    3. He does not care if Americans suffer. He has made lots of them suffer so far in his life. He's made of tough stuff. No weepy compassion will ever cloud his judgment.
    4. He knows how to destroy corporations and sell off their assets. He could use those skills to destroy the federal government, a stated goal of Conservatism
    5. After the Romney Administration is over in 2016 or 2018, Conservatives will say, "Hey, you can't blame us for the disastrous Romney Administration. He wasn't a TRUE Conservative. What we need is a TRUE Conservative like Ron Paul or Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum … or maybe Senator Palin."

    May 22, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
  8. beau

    If you're a mormon:
    You believe in a man named Joseph Smith that declared himself a general against the American Government and then said he would create a Theocratic Monarchy with himself at its head.
    You also believe in a man named Joseph Smith that married a 14 year old girl – even though he already had plural wives – because he told the child's family they would receive instant eternal salvation if they gave her to him (Smith).
    You also believe in becoming a god after this life if you have committed to and followed all of your temple rituals sincerely and without deviance.
    You also believe that anyone that is not a mormon will NOT be allow to be with Jesus Christ or God, no matter how good they are, if they do not accept your gospel (religion) to be the only true church. For example. Mother Teresa will not be in heaven if she does not accept a posthumous baptism in the after life.
    You also believe that you must take on secret temple names, wear garments (underwear) that has secret symbols that are used in secret rituals in the temple as well as a blood oath that began in 1843, but ended in 1990 when there was a general uproar amongst non-mormons that found out about this particular ritual.
    You also believe Blacks and Native Americans were marked with dark skin for being evil in the pre-life or because they just displeased god.
    You believe that once you are a god of your own world, you with your heavenly wife will create spirit children that will then fill the earthly bodies of human on your own particular planet that you rule over...meaning that you are already (in certain terms) better than the God that created this planet.
    You do believe that Lucifer and Jesus were and are brothers. Sign A TRUE Conservative Republican."

    May 22, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • SloppyJ

      If you're a fire-breathing, frothing-at-the-mouth "traditional" Christian, you care more about what other people believe than how they behave or how they treat each other. You might a be a crystal-meth addicted adulterer, but as long as you belong to the correct club, all is forgiven.

      Question, loony: if I believe that the universe was created by a purple dinosaur and he rules from the 7th dimension where he lives with his army of gnomes, but I treat everyone realll nice, am honest in my business dealings, and raise my kids to respect everyone, do I have a problem, as in, am I going to hell?

      May 23, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
  9. just sayin

    One word

    CULT

    May 22, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
  10. just sayin

    How is that DNA working out proving that a lost tribe of Jews came over here?

    May 22, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • Doug

      Where is there any proof that Sodom and Gomorroh ever existed or that Moses parted the Red Sea? It was all legonds that developed into scriptures.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Dwight

      A study out of California sparked the DNA issue. They wanted to prove the Book of Mormon false. They gathered American Indian DNA and when they did find some DNA from the middle east (where the Book of Mormon people migrated from) they threw it out because it didn’t help them make their case. Now that’s not very scientific. Considering the current state of DNA studies (see below) no one can prove the Book of Mormon either true or false using DNA research. Here’s why I say that:

      DNA-related attacks on the Book of Mormon misrepresent scientific findings by falsely claiming that Native American DNA originated solely from Asia. While Asia appears to be the leading source of ancient immigrants to the Americas, there is plenty of room for additional groups coming to the continent, and several studies have found evidence for non-Asian DNA that cannot be explained by modern European admixture. Some of this evidence is found in pre-Colombian burial sites with DNA connections to Europe and the Middle East.

      Approximately ninety percent of the Amerindian population died out following contact with the Europeans; most of this was due to infectious disease against which they had no defense. The elimination of 90% of the gene pool makes it impossible to prove or disprove whether any specific gene type was there before Columbus’s discovery of the New World. In fact, non-LDS molecular anthropologist Michael H. Crawford wrote that the Spanish Conquest "squeezed the entire Amerindian population through a genetic bottleneck. ... This population reduction has forever altered the genetics of the surviving groups, thus complicating any attempts at reconstructing the pre-Columbian genetic structure of most New World groups," (The Origins of Native Americans, 1998).

      May 22, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • Dwight

      Another effect on population dynamics, known as the "founder effect," happens when few individuals - the founders - leave a larger group and carry with them only a small subset of the genetic markers from the original population. This subset may not be typical of the source population. This may have happened with the founding Book of Mormon peoples. It is often assumed that if the Book of Mormon is true the people would have typical Jewish DNA. The problem with this is, we don’t know what typical Jewish DNA looked like 2600 years ago. We don’t know if Lehi’s DNA was typical Jewish DNA. Lehi was not of the tribe of Judah.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • Dwight

      We don’t have a sample of DNA from any of the individuals in the original Book of Mormon party that migrated to the Americas. We don’t have Lehi’s DNA. Consequently, taking samples of current American DNA does not good because we don’t have any original DNA to compare it to. We don’t know what the original Book of Mormon peoples DNA looked like. You can assume that Lehi & party had typical Jewish DNA but that is not known. Furthermore, the Book of Mormon states that its people are from the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh. These tribes were taken captive and dispersed. The tribe of Judah, which remained, became the basis for the Jewish people. Nobody knows what Ephraim or Manasseh DNA looks like. The area of Jerusalem has been overrun multiple times with new people. People have been taken captive multiple times. This tends to remove DNA types and insert new DNA types. We don’t know what the DNA was in 600 BC.

      Additionally, Ephraim and Manasseh’s mtDNA came from their mother, Asenath, who was Egyptian. Egyptians have haplogroup T DNA and, interestingly, Haplogroup T shows up among American Indian DNA. Could T DNA be the smoking gun for Middle Eastern migration to the Americas before Columbus? Well, we don’ know what Lehi & his party’s DNA was. There is no way to prove anything one way or the other until we dig up Lehi’s body and we know it is his body and until we also dig up some Ephraim and Manasseh DNA from 600 BC Jerusalem for comparison.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • Dwight

      Then we have the problem caused by "genetic drift," which basically boils down to "lucky genes." As the number of generations increase from a founding mother to her descendants, the chance of her DNA disappearing increases with each generation. For example, if you go back two generations (to your grandparents), there are four individuals (two parents for each of your parents), two of which are female (grandmothers on both sides). Only one of these grandmothers will have passed on her mtDNA to you, regardless of whether you are male or female. You will not have the mtDNA of one of your grandmothers.

      DNA markers can and have disappeared. Most of the DNA studies done on Native Americans - the root of Book of Mormon-DNA criticisms - are based on mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), which is inherited from the mother. If we go back 10 generations, you have 1,024 ancestral slots, or number of possible contributors to your genetic makeup. The actual number of progenitors is actually lower than the number of slots because some of these people will show up in several places of the available 1,024 ancestral slots. Of these 1,024 potential ancestors, 512 are females. Only one of them has contributed your mtDNA

      May 22, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • Dwight

      Some ancient Native American genes have apparently gone extinct. mtDNA analysis of ancient Native American brains from Florida show genes that may have been lost from the Americas (Schurr et al., 1990, p. 619; see also Pääbo et al., 1988). Similar conclusions come from analysis of blood groups. Genes for the B and AB blood types have been largely lost in the Americas, but these genes were present in pre-Columbian humans in Peru.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • Dwight

      For an example of disappearing DNA we note the recent DNA study of more than 131,000 modern Icelanders, which discovered that many DNA markers disappeared in just over a century. According to DNA tests, more than 86 percent of Icelandic males descended from just 26 percent of potential male ancestors in their family tree who were born between 1848 and 1892 and also lived in Iceland. Among the female population, nearly 92 percent descended from only 22 percent of potential female ancestors in their family tree who were born between the same years as the male ancestors.

      Thus we see that the vast majority of the Icelandic ancestors - from just 150 years ago - did not contribute mtDNA or Ycs to their descendants. Conversely, a small minority of Icelandic ancestors from the same 150 years ago contributed the bulk of DNA markers to their now-living descendants. Most of the Icelandic people living today who have genealogical records showing that their ancestors lived in Iceland 150 years ago could not detect DNA for those ancestors.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • Dwight

      Some critics have scoffed at finds of European, Middle Eastern, and even Jewish DNA in American Indians. They say that these are contaminations which occurred after Columbus and do not represent pre-Columbian DNA. However, they cite no evidence for this that I have seen. Certainly there was mixture of European DNA with American Indians after Columbus. However, we cannot assume that all Old World DNA found in Native Americans is due to post-Columbus admixture.

      DNA researchers usually go out of their way to avoid any chance of post-Columbus admixture when they carry out their research. Unfortunately this means that they often reject, out-of-hand, any samples containing DNA types that match Old World DNA other than Asian. It seems to be assumed that Asian DNA is always OK but anything else must be a recent admixture. Because of this, real evidence for other migrations may be routinely rejected. Lehi, from the Book of Mormon, was from the tribe of Joseph, one of the lost ten tribes taken captive and dispersed to the north. The DNA types his party carried is unknown. The tribe of Joseph inhabited the northern part of Israel. Studies by Shlush et. Al. (The Druze: A Population Genetic Refugium of the Near East, 2008) show that the X haplogroup may have originated in the area of northern Israel (near where the tribe of Joseph resided at one time) and then spread to other parts of the earth from there. X haplogroup is found among American Indians.

      Samples of American Indian DNA which match European, or Middle Eastern DNA may be the smoking gun for Lehi’s DNA but those types are always assumed to be contaminated. No doubt some are but is it scientific to assume without finding out? Even some Asian DNA may be Lehi’s DNA type. Haplogrop X is found in northern Israel and has been shown to match Native American X better than the Asian X as shown in a study by Shlush.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • Dwight

      The haplogroup X occurs most among Algonkian-speaking groups such as the Ojibwa, and has been detected in two pre-Colombian north American populations. Today, haplogroup X is found in between two and four per cent of European populations, and in the Middle East, particularly in Israel. The complex origins of the first Americans has also been highlighted by an analysis of thousands of skulls from around the world. A team of anthropologists from the University of Michigan found that the study confirmed the complex origins of Native Americans that have been suggested by recent archeological and genetic studies. Many pre-Colombian skulls demonstrate cranial features of Europeans but not current American Indians.

      According to Science Magazine: "haplogroup X was only confirmed in the genes of a smattering of living people in Europe and Asia Minor, including Italians, Finns, and certain Israelis. The team's review of published mtDNA sequences suggests that it may also be in Turks, Bulgarians, and Spaniards. Also Shlush et. Al. (The Druze: A Population Genetic Refugium of the Near East, 2008.) show that X haplogroup found in northern Israel is likely a refugium of X DNA which was more widely typical of the area in the past. The conclusion of the study includes this interesting statement: “It is thus likely that the global diversity of this haplogroup evolved in the Near East and adjacent regions of western Eurasia.”

      May 22, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • Dwight

      Mitochondrial DNA studies performed on remains of ancient Mayans were from the Postclassic period of a.d. 900-1521, just prior to European colonization. [González-Oliver, 2001] These are from pre-Colombian burial sites which eliminates the problem of post-Columbus contamination. Findings include the identification of a single individual (1 out of 16) whose mitochondrial haplotype failed to correspond to any of the known Asian haplotypes.

      Carvajal-Carmona et al. (2000 – available online), studied Y haplotypes of the Antioquian population of Colombia. This study found DNA alleles in Colombia that are absent or have low frequencies in European and African populations but reach high frequencies in Middle Eastern populations (Kayser et al. 1997; Thomas et al. 2000). If post-Conquest contamination took place we might expect it to come from the Spaniards who, after all, were the Conquistadores. The Colombian alleles matched Basque and Catalan populations (of Spain), at frequencies of 3.9% and 3.7%, respectively. However the alleles were found at a frequency of 16.2% in Antioquia and were also found among the Arabs, Berbers, Saharawis, and Tachelhits at frequencies of 8.9%, 0%, 10%, and 11%, respectively. This suggests some Semitic ancestry for Antioquia.

      Interestingly, haplotype 4, which carries a DYS388 allele with 16 repeats, corresponds to the Cohen modal haplotype (CMH) of Thomas et al. (1998). This haplotype has frequencies >10% among Jewish populations but seems to be rare in Arab populations and has been proposed as an indicator of Jewish ancestry (Thomas et al. 2000). Two other haplotypes (12 and 29) are one mutational step away from the CMH. Haplotypes 3 and 5 also match haplotypes detected among Jewish populations; they correspond to haplotypes 2 and 27 in Thomas et al. (2000). In that survey, Antioquian haplotype 3 was observed only among Sephardic Jews. These matches occur in haplogroup C and, on aggregate, imply that ~14% of the Antioquian haplotypes could have a Jewish ancestry.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • moose

      dwight when did the church allow black members and why did they are they not considered to have mark of Cain?

      May 22, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
  11. just sayin

    Latter Day Saint movement founder Joseph Smith went to Washington D.C. in November 1839 in an unsuccessful attempt to obtain help for his persecuted followers. Pat Bagley of the Salt Lake Tribune writes that from then on, Smith and his followers "considered themselves the last Real Americans" and "the legi timate heirs of the pilgrims and Founding Fathers", who would be called upon one day to save the US Const i tution Smith is believed to have then said, in 1840, that when the Const i tution hung by a thread, Latter Day Saint elders would step in on the proverbial white horse to save the country.
    ...
    Cult and enemy of The People

    May 22, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Keith

      You really can't say that we don't need saving.

      May 22, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
  12. kolob

    Brigham Young was a founder of the Mormon church. He also had 55 wives. Many of the women were still married to there first husbands. Many of the husbands were sent on missions so Brigham could marry their wives. He later divorced many of the women. Does this sound like a Christian religion, or a disturbed cult? Do a wiki search on Joseph Smith, another founder of the cult. He was jailed on numerous occasions, not for his religious beliefs, but because he defrauded people out of their money. He was a con artist. Do some research. Then tell all your friends.

    May 22, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • Doug

      You can find anything on the Internet, that doesn't make it true.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • just sayin

      Doug

      You can find anything on the Internet, that doesn't make it true.

      -------

      And making a statement that something isnt true doesn't make it so.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • just sayin

      Ever notice the Mormons can never offer anything to counter. When faced with the creator of thier Cult they always respond with ...well Mormons are good people with good family values. ...side step, sweep under the rug Mormon tactic.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • kolob

      What in that statement is false? It is all true, and you know it. Do a wiki search on Parley P. Pratt, Mitt Romney's great grandfather. See why he was murdered by a jealous husband. Oh yeah. He also had 12 wives.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Dwight

      Jesus Christ was illegally and unjustly tried, convicted, sentenced, and executed. By your logic you must, then reject Christ.

      The legal system in the days of Joseph Smith permitted anyone with an axe to grind to file an action that could put his opponent in jail. That doesn’t prove anything. Just as Paul and Silas were unjustly sent to prison in Acts 16:19, Joseph Smith and other Mormon leaders were frequently unjustly imprisoned by the enemies of truth.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • Dwight

      I don't think your statements about Brigham Young are true. Cite references. Cite where you get this information.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • souptwins

      B. Young had 55 children NOT wives. And you don't say how this is an indictment of the religion or what bearing some leader over a hundred yrs. ago may bear on a Romney presidency. Many Old Testament prophets were practicing polygamists. Do you have a point?

      May 23, 2012 at 1:43 am |
  13. Doug

    Mormon's are counseled to accept other religions and would not think of making a religious attack against another candidate. It would go against the Articles of Faith.

    May 22, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • kolob

      As a mormon, can you explain the White Horse Prophecy to me? Honest question.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      As a Mormon, can you explain Joseph Smith's criminal history and patterns of fraud?

      May 22, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Jackie

      As a Mormon, I've never been taught about the White House Prophecy because it's not official doctrine, so no, I can't, because the vast majority of us don't even care.

      May 23, 2012 at 11:32 am |
  14. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEWCOMERS:

    Why there will be no debate about religion (minus the abortion issue) by Messrs. Obama and Romney.

    Bottom line: Romney is Mormon because he was born Mormon. Should we/BO hold this against him? After all, BO (born Christian or Muslim?) also believes in "pretty/ugly wingie thingies, bodily resurrections and atonement mumbo jumbo.

    One should be voting and governing based on rational thinking. Believing in angels, satans, bodily resurrections, atonement, and heavens of all kinds is irrational.

    Apparently, BO and MR have been severely brainwashed in their theologically and historically flawed Christianity and they are too weak to escape its felonious grip and therefore pros and cons of religion will not be debated until the subject of abortion is brought up.

    Then BO will win the vote!! And why is that?

    Obama "mouths" that he is Christian i.e. believes in gay Gabriel and war-mongering Michael the Archangel and Satan. BO's support of abortion/choice however vitiates has Christianity as he is the leader of the Immoral Majority who are now the largest voting bloc in the country. Immoral Majority you ask??

    The 78 million voting "mothers and fathers" of aborted womb babies !!! (2012 -1973 Rowe vs. Wade = 39.)

    39 x 2 million = 78 million. Abortion rate in the USA as per the CDC is one million/yr.

    And the presidential popular vote in 2008?

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM. The population of the Immoral Majority in 2008? ~ 70 million !!!!!!
    ========================================================================================

    May 22, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
  15. Ben

    Yes the only reason they both called a truce is because it hurts both of them equally...

    May 22, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  16. Willowspring

    The only reason Obama wants a truce on religion is because it will benefit his campaign. If all of J.Wright's rants are publicized during the campaign, the media will have a hard time putting a lid on it as they have for years. Wright's rants are Black Liberation Theology. Romney's faith may not be well understood, but it is obvious it is not anti-American government. Obama also doesn't want the issues to be hashed out in the campaign about the insurance mandate forcing people of faith to go against the tenets of their religion. It is nothing more than 'damage control.' It would be like McCain's refusal to talk about Obama's Muslim faith or the birth issue. NO issue should be taken off the table. Everyone needs to know everything this time around. I distinctly remember Obama saying he would have the most transparent government in history. It has been the most clandestine administration in history!

    May 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Huebert

      J. Wright's rants were extensively publicized in the 2008 election and it seems pretty obvious how much effect they had.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • kolob

      First, put down the crack pipe. Second, as soon as America learns the truth about the Mormon cult, not only will Romney lose, but the United States will invade Utah and restore democracy. Do a wiki search on the White Horse Prophecy. The Mormon cult has big plans for America.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • just sayin

      Huebert

      J. Wright's rants were extensively publicized in the 2008 election and it seems pretty obvious how much effect they had.

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      shhhhhh let them make act like fools. lol

      May 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Doug

      Some people may have liked J. Wright's comments.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Huebert

      @just sayin

      Thanks for that. I needed to know that I wasn't the only one paying attention.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • just sayin

      Doug

      Some people may have liked J. Wright's comments.

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      Otay........and your point Cult Follower?

      May 22, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
  17. clubschadenfreude

    It'd be great if Romney's supposed supporters would call a truce on the religion thing too. but just google "mormon anti-christ" and you'll see just how "loving" Christians really are.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
  18. Bill

    Since they both belong to cults, a truce makes sense. The question at election time will be do most Americans hate Obama more than they love Jesus?

    May 22, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Doug

      @Bill

      Describe what you mean by a "cult" and why they belong to such.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Keith

      I don't love Jesus

      May 22, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
  19. Confused

    So religious perspective can control how they run and perceive the country despite a separation between church and state but it can't be brought up throughout the race? interesting.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
  20. Karen

    politics, power...that trumps religion. Why the contraception flap now- politics, power. Why won't these two guys go against religion- they don't want to open the Pandoras box that religious turmoil will open. Creating peope to group based on religious orientation can happen here and tye Muslim faith is doing a great job of recruiting and they are growing while out traditional faiths are shrinking. Religious wars never go away and those who want power have cracked the shell protecting us from going down that path. Hope they are bright enough to notice because it will not be pretty should we give up our national orientation for our religious orientation.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
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