May 21st, 2012
03:58 PM ET

Truce between Obama and Romney on faith?

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Washington (CNN)– A political truce may be brewing between the Obama and Romney campaigns on the issue of the candidates' faith and religious practice.  An all-out war over such issues nearly erupted last week, but neither campaign would take up arms.

The controversy began after word got out of a Republican Super PAC's proposal to try to put a spotlight on President Barack Obama's fiery former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., just like in 2008. But Mitt Romney, the presumptive GOP nominee for president, slapped the effort down before it even got off the ground (and the Super PAC's leaders insisted the Wright campaign was just one of several ideas).

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"I repudiate that effort," Romney told reporters on Thursday. "I think it's the wrong course for a PAC or a campaign. I hope that our campaigns can respectfully be about the future and about issues and about a vision for America."

Romney's lifelong membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is seen by some as a major liability, especially among evangelical voters and voters who don't know much about Mormonism.

After word of the proposed Wright campaign, Democratic pundits argued that if Obama's old pastor was back on the table, Romney's Mormonism should be, too, including the church's checkered history on the issue of race.

On Sunday, during CNN's State of the Union with Candy Crowley, senior Obama campaign strategist David Axelrod said that his camp repudiates attacks against Romney's faith.

“We've said that's not fair game. And we wish that Gov. Romney would stand up as strongly and as resolutely consistently to refute these kinds of things on his side,” the Obama strategist told Crowley.

"We both ought to take the right position," Axelrod said.  He proceeded to take a few shots at Romney, noting the former Massachusetts said in February that Wright was fair game.

Either way, both campaigns are now on the record saying the tinder box of their rival's faith is now off the table.

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    May 24, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
  2. Peter

    Dwight the bottomline is the book of mormon,another testament of jesus christ is the word of God or it is not. Just remember you invested your whole life on the claims of a man from up state new york in the 1800s. You might say well you christians have faith in the church,bible,christ ect ect. I say again your religion,holy book, is all based on the claims of joeseph smith.

    May 23, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Peter, you have no idea what it is like to have an experience with the Holy Ghost. It is an experience like no other. It can not be manufactured or duplicated or made synthetic and you can not mistake it for something else. It is pure knowledge. You are right! The church is either true or it is not. The Church of Jesus Christ is based on revelation and our testimonies of it are based on revelation. It is not just another church. I assure you, Joseph Smith was a true prophet and all the false claims you people make against him are false and I will never believe anything else!

      May 24, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • Peter

      Abinadi–so be it–ill give you your kingdom in the afterlife and you can spend eternity in the highest heaven acording to the book of mormon with joeseph smith, his christ and your family. But you will never see me in any part of that universe or know of my existance nor will you be looking down on anyone. You might protest that i have to be part of that kingdom high or low-well if you do that we are going to go back and forth and i already cursed your prophet and his christ according to christendom,the church and the bible–i don't want to send you to hell according to what i believe–i want to send you to the highest heaven of the book of mormon for eternity–i want you to get what you always wanted.

      May 24, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Why, thank-you, Peter. That is about the nicest thing anyone has said to me. I guess we agree to disagree. I do believe we will all end up where we are most comfortable. I think there is even a place for the trolls where they can be crude and make fun of each other and do all the things they like to do. For them, that is probably heaven.

      May 24, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • peter

      abin–i don't know if you are the real one or not–debate and argument is great especially when it comes to religion. It is my great pleasure to know i will not argue or debate with any of you people after this school time is over–and if you get where you want have fun living in north korea forever..

      May 25, 2012 at 1:44 am |
  3. Jenny O

    Mormons have always been cultists,they do not believe inthe christian religion,this is a fact,any priest,pastor,religious scholar will tell you mormons are crazy cultists that distort the teaching of the bible.

    May 23, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Dwight

      Reverand Jeffress said. "And I still maintain there are vast differences in theology between Mormons and Christians."

      This seems to be a common view among many Christians and actually they are right to say that there are some major differences, although there are more similarities than differences. . However, there are also vast differences between current Christianity and Early Christianity.

      If Christianity means “historic orthodox mainstream Christianity” of today then I would agree that Mormonism is not historic Christianity; at least not in every doctrine. Although Mormons have much in common with other Christians Mormons also believe differently than historic Christians in some key areas. But the real questions to ask are 1) What is original Christianity? 2) Is mainstream Christianity of today the same as original Christianity? It turns out that Joseph Smith was right. Mormonism is a restoration of Original Christianity. It is not my intent to criticize Christians of today. However, with all the criticism of Mormonism it is important to notice that in many areas of belief Mormons are closer to original Christianity than are most Christians of today.

      Mormons believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. Our first Article of Faith states: We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. However “Trinity’ is a word that is not found in the Bible. Nor are the definitions and wording formulations in the extra-Biblical creeds found in the Bible. In 325 AD a council of about 300 (out of 1800 serving) bishops gathered in Nicea at the request of the pagan Emperor Constantine and formulated a creed that tried to reconcile the Biblical statements that there three persons called “God” and yet there was “one” God. They then forced all Christians to accept their solution as “gospel”, with varying results. Theological debates and other councils continued to tweak the concept for centuries which produced additional creeds.

      Mormons are not supposed to be Christian because we have some doctrinal differences with other Christian groups of today. The foundation for the beliefs of these other groups is the creeds of the 4th. 5th, and 6th centuries and so on.

      For example; in the Westminster Confession of Faith, which is a non-Biblical creed, we read that "there is but one God, a most holy spirit, without body, parts or passions," thus denying the resurrected Christ, for if Christ is not risen and we do not believe him when he tells us that he has an immortal body, we can then have no hope of a resurrection (Phil 3:21.) Contrary to the creed Jesus taught: "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and ones, as ye see me have." (Luke 24:39)

      From this passage we know that Jesus had his physical body after the resurrection. We also know that when Christ comes again, he will still have his physical body. (Zech. 14:4; 12:10; 13:6; John 20:24-28, Acts 1:9-11; Rev 1:7; 1 Cor. 15:3-8, 12-20, 35-42; D&C 93:33).

      It is claimed that Mormons are wrong because they believe in extra-Biblical revelation and scripture. Yet much of Christianity believes in extra-Biblical creeds and councils formulated centuries after the time of Christ and the Apostles. Most of the wording formulations in these creeds cannot be found in the Bible. This is often the excuse used to exclude members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) from being Christian. It is well known to historians that Christian doctrine changed over time and across different Christian groups.

      The Bible is then viewed through the lens of these creeds causing certain interpretations to be favored and other biblical teachings to be minimized or ignored. Interestingly, if you look at the doctrines of the early church fathers before the creeds, they are very Mormon-like. In a number of doctrinal areas the early Christians were good Mormons and would be rejected as non-Christian by many Christians of today.

      In many areas of belief (probably the majority of areas) Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) believe the same as most other Christians. It is true that in some limited areas – some very critical ones – the beliefs of Mormons differ from other Christians. Likewise there are some major areas of difference between Catholics and Protestants and likewise between one Protestant group and the next. Every denomination could make the claim that the other groups are not Christian because those other beliefs differ from their own.

      Joseph Smith taught “The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it”. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 121).

      The central belief of Mormons is that Christ came into the world as the Son of God. He healed the sick, caused the lame to walk, the blind to see, the deaf to hear, and restored life to the dead. He commissioned twelve Apostles to whom he gave authority. He suffered in Gethsemane, died on the cross, and was resurrected and will come again. He, and only He, provides the means for us to be washed clean in his blood from our sins, which sins we can never correct on our own or through our own works. If that is not Christian I don’t know what is. Christ never taught the need to believe in anything like the creeds. Those came later.

      Mormon belief is very much like the teachings of the earlier Christians – before the creeds – and also matches the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. The further back in time you go the more Mormon-like Christian doctrine becomes. Mormons are often portrayed as non-Christian when we don’t believe in the later extra-Biblical creedal formulations.

      The early Christians did not have the extra-Biblical creeds of later centuries. Were they then not Christian? The ontological debates and the wording formations of later centuries are not found in the words of Jesus or the words of the Apostles or in the words of the pre-creedal Christians . There is not a word about a one substance god in the Bible or in the early beliefs. If believing in the creeds is necessary to be Christian then that makes the earlier Christians not Christian – it even makes Christ not Christian.

      One other interesting aspect of this topic: Some Christians claim that we must get our beliefs and doctrines from the Bible only. It is claimed that God finished his work and no longer has prophets or gives revelation. They say the Mormons are wrong to have prophets and extra scripture. Consider this: If the Bible is sufficient and no post-Biblical revelation is allowed, then the post-Biblical creeds are not necessary and are not authorized by God. If God authorized the creeds then why aren’t they in the Bible? How could they be from God if the Bible is complete, if God has finished his work, and if there is no more revelation? They are extra-Biblical and no one should be held to them as a requirement to be Christian. It is so ironic that Mormons are criticized for having extra-Biblical revelation by people who themselves believe in extra-Biblical creeds. Once one puts on the glasses of the creeds then everything in the Bible is filtered to match the creeds.

      Mormons believe in original Christianity restored to the earth through revelation to new prophets. Nowhere does the Bible say that God has finished his work, that the cannon of scripture is closed. It seems ironic to us that we Mormons are accused of adding to the Bible by people who have done just that – added creeds and metaphysical definitions to the Bible. We advocate for believing original Christianity.

      May 23, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Dwight

      Dependence on the grace of Jesus Christ is one of the central beliefs of Mormons. It is the critics of Mormonism who say that Mormons believe they are going to earn their way to heaven by their works. Mormon’s don’t teach that. Mormons don’t teach that we can earn our way to heaven without the grace of Christ. You see, the critics are so determined to make Mormonism look non-Biblical that they have to invent straw-man Mormon doctrines.

      Note what Mormons believe taken from their own sources:

      Alma 22:14 (from the Book of Mormon)
      14 And since man had fallen he could not merit anything of himself; but the sufferings and death of Christ atone for their sins, through faith and repentance, and so forth; and that he breaketh the bands of death, that the grave shall have no victory, and that the sting of death should be swallowed up in the hopes of glory; and Aaron did expound all these things unto the king.

      2 Nephi 25:23 (from the Book of Mormon)
      23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.

      2 Nephi 24:26 (from the Book of Mormon)
      "We talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins." (2 Nephi 25:26)

      2 Nephi 10:24-25 (From the Book of Mormon):

      24 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved.
      25 Wherefore, may God raise you from death by the power of the resurrection, and also from everlasting death by the power of the atonement, that ye may be received into the eternal kingdom of God, that ye may praise him through grace divine. Amen.

      In the Bible we find both the teaching of salvation by Grace and the teaching of repentance and obedience to the commandments. They are both true. They are both Biblical. Some Christians cherry pick the teachings of the Bible, focusing on one thing that they like and ignore the other parts. Mormons believe ALL of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We try our best to understand and believe all of it. Grace and Works are two sides to the same coin. The Apostle Paul writes a lot about salvation by grace. This was to combat the tenancy in many early Jews who converted to Christianity to fall back on obeying the works oriented law of Moses. People who think they can work their way to salvation have missed the grace side of the coin. However, in Corinthians, Galatians, Romans, and other places, Paul also stresses the necessity to obey the commandments. He gives lists of sinful behavior such as adultery, fornication, lying, and so forth, and says that people who do these will not enter into the kingdom of heaven. For instance see 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. And let's not forget about James 2:14-20,24.

      The Apostle Peter tells us that even after accepting Christ one must turn from sin and obey lest he fall from grace:

      2 Peter 2:20-22
      20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
      21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
      22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

      Obeying God is clearly the other side of the coin to the teachings of grace in the Bible. It is incomplete to stress only Grace or only Works. They are both part of the gospel as taught in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Even confessing that Jesus is our savior is a work that we must actually do. If we were saved from sin solely on grace alone than salvation would be automatic regardless of what we do. There would be no need to even confess Jesus as our Savior let alone try to live a good Christian life.

      Mormons are often accused of ignoring Christ’s grace and of trying to work their way to salvation. However, an accurate look at what Mormons actually teach shows a very balanced approach which mirrors the balanced teaching of Grace and Works found in the Bible.

      One Evangelical Christian author wrote of his sudden discovery that his previous beliefs about salvation were very different from those held by the early Christians:

      “If there's any single doctrine that we would expect to find the faithful associates of the apostles teaching, it's the doctrine of salvation by faith alone. After all, that is the cornerstone doctrine of the Reformation. In fact, we frequently say that persons who don't hold to this doctrine aren't really Christians…

      “Our problem is that Augustine, Luther, and other Western theologians have convinced us that there's an irreconcilable conflict between salvation based on grace and salvation conditioned on works or obedience. They have used a fallacious form of argumentation known as the "false dilemma," by asserting that there are only two possibilities regarding salvation: it's either (1) a gift from God or (2) it's something we earn by our works.
      The early Christians [and Latter-day Saints!] would have replied that a gift is no less a gift simply because it's conditioned on obedience....

      “The early Christians believed that salvation is a gift from God but that God gives His gift to whomever He chooses. And He chooses to give it to those who love and obey him.” (David W. Bercot, Will The Real Heretics Please Stand Up: A New Look at Today's Evangelical Church in the Light of Early Christianity, 3rd edition, (Tyler, Texas: Scroll Publishing Company, 1999[1989]), 57, 61–62)

      May 23, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • momoya

      Mormonism and Christianity are equally stupid myth cults.. Research 'em.. No one's religious belief would hold up to the believers own standard if the believer merely judged the faith as he would the faith of his opponent.. It's why you think your religion is so awesome but all others are so stupid..

      May 23, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
  4. kolob

    Does the average American know that Mormons believe Jesus Christ appeared in America hundreds of years ago? Do a wiki search on the Book of Mormon. Educate yourself. Then tell all your friends.

    May 23, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Dwight

      Jesus taught that he had other sheep to teach that were not of “this fold” (John 10:16) and these sheep are not the gentiles. Jesus only went to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24) The Bible does not limit Jesus in where he can or did go. Clearly, Jesus went to other sheep somewhere.

      John 10:16
      16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

      Jesus told his disciples only to preach to Israelites (Matthew 10:5-6, Matthew 15:24)

      Matther 15:24
      24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

      May 23, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
  5. Retarded Horse song

    Can't we just all get along?

    May 23, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
  6. nikki21

    Romney is a wacko CULTIST!! They worship Joesoph Smith who is a child molester,rapist,theif,con man,murderer! They worship the Book of Mormon which is the Book Joesoph Smith made to control his worshippers. Then Mormons believe in magical undies ROFLL really? Do we want our president to have magical underwear in control of our military? Do we want a person that is a cultist and believes in a murderer as their messiah to send our kids into war? Do we want a person with these twisted beliefs making laws and policy? They believe that dark skinned people are sunhuman and are the work of the devil,they believe when they die they become a god and their god lives in outer space on planet KOLOB ROFLL. I think the only thing magical in their underwear is the skidmarks they never wash and it repels people lol. Folks we cannot let a cultist in our whitehouse,we cannot let a president get sworn into office putting his hand on the book of mormon a molester wrote.We connot sell out our faith and support a cultist! Romney is the Devil in desguise and if you are a christian his beliefs are a slap in the face to all of us.I urge all christians who value their faith to sit this election out and not vote if your gop like me,we can always get a better candidate in 2016.I blame the gop for giving conservative christians a shallow,flip flopping,cultists instead of a good christian candidate.Sorry me and my 800 church members REFUSE to vote for BISHOP ROMNEY and will all stay home,there are many Churches and members doing the same thing!

    May 23, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Dwight

      Mormons don't worship Joseph Smith. Mormons don't worship the Book of Mormon. Mormon's don't believe in, or have, magical underwear. Joseph Smith was not a child molester or rapist or thief or murderer. These are all made up anit-Mormon propaganda which you seem to have fallen for. Mormons don't believe that dark skinned people are subhuman or any such thing and you can't cite a source for this from Mormon scripture or teaching because none exists. See my other posts on this site which corrects your other inaccurate claims.

      May 23, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • SloppyJ

      They let you out of your padded room long enough to type up that post?? ROFLL!

      Only the fringiest of fringe Mormons believe their garments (the underwear you're so hot and bothered about) are "magic" in any way. Mine have skid marks just like your undies! See how much we have in common?

      May 23, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
  7. joshua

    see dr owour a prophet among us. read deuteronomy 18 and st. lukes 16 to confirm. see apocalisis 17 &18 for the future of America for their killings of the apostle and following Rome. May Jehovah be Glorified for eternity.

    May 23, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
  8. Mormon magical underwear

    Mormon magical underwear

    Mormons are a sick and twisted cult that distorts and perverts the biible.They believe that JOESOPH SMITH is the messiah when he was a con man,cheat,rapist,molester,polyigimist,murderer. Then they believe in theBOOK OF MORMON which JOESOPH SMITH created to control his followers and con them. Then they believe in MORMON MAGICAL UNDERWEAR THAT PROTECTS THEM FROM EVIL,and only the most devout shall never take them off.Then they believe that GOD LIVES IN OUTER SPACE ON A PLANET NAMED KOLOB LOL. Then when you die you become a god too.They also believe dark skinned people are subhuman. NONE OF THESE THINGS ARE CHRISTIAN!! YET MORMONS SPIN IT AND PRETEND THEY ARE SWEET AS PIE. IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN THEN WHY NOT GO TO A CHRISTIAN CHURCH? I am a repub but will not sell out my christian faith and vote for BISHOP ROMNEY, I WILL STAY HOME. Mormons will lie and spin it ,but why on earth would you wanna be in a religion you have to lie and hide your beliefs? SORRY MAGICAL SKIDMARK ROMNEY I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A CULTIST

    May 23, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • Dwight

      Mormons don't worship Joseph Smith. Mormons don't worship the Book of Mormon. Mormon's don't believe in, or have, magical underwear. Joseph Smith was not a child molester or rapist or thief or murderer. These are all made up anit-Mormon propaganda which you seem to have fallen for. Mormons don't believe that dark skinned people are subhuman or any such thing and you can't cite a source for this from Mormon scripture or teaching because none exists. See my other posts on this site which corrects your other inaccurate claims.

      May 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • SloppyJ

      Wow. Food for thought! It's clear that *cough* "traditional" *cough* Christian beliefs make perfect sense. Burning bushes, walkikng on water, water into wine, zombie Savior, etc. I'm thinking you can't really chuckle at wacko Mormon beliefs yet take a perfectly honest look at "traditional" Christian beliefs and keep a straight face. Why is your brand of goofiness more legit than Mormon goofiness?

      I'm just gonna call you "Glass House," okay, "Mormon Magical Underwear"?

      May 23, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
  9. MetheBLKman

    American media BS...............please "war".

    May 23, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
  10. DoctorCool

    Obama's campaign against Bain Capital shows Obama's lack of understanding of free enterprise. Free enterprise forces company's to become efficient. Romney is an efficient expert. Obama is the example of the saying that it is better to keep quiet and appear to be an ldiot, Than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

    May 23, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Ronnie12345

      Don't be dumb its not a lack of understand it's him posturing around trying to bash romney and get money at the same time like all these politicians do, come one man I know you hate the man and want him too look naive and stupid but it's just plain dumb to think he doesn't know what he's doing.

      May 23, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • nikki21

      Mormons are a sick cult that brainwashes its members.The Mormon church is not christian,its the furthests from it yet they insult christians by distort the teachings of the Bible. You mormons offend millions of christians every day by saying your christians but using the name of god in your cult rituals.Joesoph Smith is your messiah,savior, give me a break this man was a con man,theif,child molester,rapist,polyigimist,murderer, and yet you worship him and his Book of Mormon that he created to control women and children? Then you believe GOD lives in outer space on PLANET KOLOB wth kinda crap is that? Then you believe dark skinned people are sub human,they are the devil? You Mormons are the Furthest from christians and should never be included as christians! I am a Rebub and will not vote for BISHOP ROMNEY! ME AND MY CHURCH KNOW MORMONS ARE A SICKO CULT THAT WORSHIPS A MAN WHO MOLESTED AND MURDERED, THERE ARE 800 AT MY CHURCH AND WE ALL ARE SITTING THIS ELECTION OUT,WE WILL NOT SUPPORT THE CULT BISHOP ROMNEY AND HIS SKIDMARKED UNDERWEAR CULT! TAKE YOUR SKIDMARKED MAGICAL UNDERWEAR BACK TO PLANET KOLOB WHERE YOU SAY YOUR GOD LIVES AND TAKE YOUR BUSHOP ROMNEY WITH YOU!! YEAH YOUR CHRISTIANs........ YOUR A JOKE NOT CHRISTIANS!

      May 23, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
  11. Exmo

    Not a smart move by the Obama team.. maybe they are waiting until after the summer, but they need to expose mormonism to expose Romney. By doing so nobody will trust mormons or Romney..

    As a lifetime utahan an ex-mormon this play in the playbook is obvious cause I know it is a cult, trying to control as many people and people's money as possible.

    TEAM OBAMA.. there are a lot of reasons Mitt doesn't want to talk faith, make him.

    May 23, 2012 at 11:44 am |
  12. Nate in CA

    i promise not to call you a muslim if you promise not to mention my magical underwear or the fact I want to dismantle the government and turn it into a mormon caliphate

    May 23, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • SloppyJ

      BWAA-HAHAHAHAHAHA!! World domination . . unimpeded power . . hahaha . . your daughters are almost ours, unsuspecting non-Mormon masses!!

      Oops; I mean, how dare you, Nate! Mormons are the nicest folk on Earth, except maybe that girl that wouldn't dance with you at the youth social all those years ago. We want no part of . . caliphating.

      May 23, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
  13. Sanity

    Maybe the Dems finally remembered that Harry Reid is a Mormon. Sen Tom Udall (D, NM) is also a Mormon. Further, Reid voluntarily became a Mormon (as did his wife) while in college, while Romney was born a Mormon. Romney was Mormon of the Year in 2008; Reid was Mormon of the Year in 2009.

    May 23, 2012 at 10:13 am |
  14. Joseph Smith

    Romney doesn't want this AT ALL. If the word gets out about Mormon theology and their occultish practices, it will not look good for him since he is a bishop in the LDS "church".

    May 23, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • T-Max73

      Yeah, it's not like they eat the body of their savior or drink his blood in rituals across America every Sunday. All religions began as cults, and they are false.

      May 23, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • Exmo

      Agreed.. it will be ugly but nessicary.. I consider most other church's a religion, this one is just a cult, true believing Christian will agree in November at vote for a real Christian in Obama instead of someone who belongs to a cult that operates under a fake banner of Christ.

      May 23, 2012 at 11:50 am |
  15. clarke

    elections should have nothing to with race, color or greed . Let just stick with the very important issues that face our Nation and how you are going to try or even fix it and what is the time line. Don't tell me how bad the other is but tell me how good you are.

    May 23, 2012 at 7:14 am |
    • Joseph Smith

      That's true unless your relligion believes that it should run the country as a theocratic state like the Mormon's do. Read up on the "White Horse Prophecy" then tell me it doesn't matter.

      May 23, 2012 at 9:39 am |
    • SloppyJ

      I agree with Joseph Smith. Look up that "White Horse Prophecy" thingie, which may or may not have come from the other Joseph Smith. Read it. Even assuming it is authentic, you have to so some serious filling in the gaps and embellishing before you're able to arrive at the interpretation "The Mormons want to take over the government!"

      Man, you hard-core "traditional Christians" are a terrified little bunch of tools, aren't you?

      May 23, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  16. Reality


    Why there will be no debate about religion (minus the abortion issue) by Messrs. Obama and Romney.

    Bottom line: Romney is Mormon because he was born Mormon. Should we/BO hold this against him? After all, BO (born Christian or Muslim?) also believes in "pretty/ugly wingie thingies, bodily resurrections and atonement mumbo jumbo.

    One should be voting and governing based on rational thinking. Believing in angels, satans, bodily resurrections, atonement, and heavens of all kinds is irrational.

    Apparently, BO and MR have been severely brainwashed in their theologically and historically flawed Christianity and they are too weak to escape its felonious grip and therefore pros and cons of religion will not be debated until the subject of abortion is brought up.

    Then BO will win the vote!! And why is that?

    Obama "mouths" that he is Christian i.e. believes in gay Gabriel and war-mongering Michael the Archangel and Satan. BO's support of abortion/choice however vitiates has Christianity as he is the leader of the Immoral Majority who are now the largest voting bloc in the country. Immoral Majority you ask??

    The 78 million voting "mothers and fathers" of aborted womb babies !!! (2012 -1973 Rowe vs. Wade = 39.)

    39 x 2 million = 78 million. Abortion rate in the USA as per the CDC is one million/yr.

    And the presidential popular vote in 2008?

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM. The population of the Immoral Majority in 2008? ~ 70 million !!!!!!

    May 23, 2012 at 6:55 am |
    • ironman59

      Somebody forgot their meds. This has to be one of the biggest ramblings in a long time.

      Bottom line is religion does not belong in politics. The more a person touts their religion, the more I tune out. I want people with secular solutions to secular problems.

      May 23, 2012 at 8:27 am |

      whe Obama says hes a christian i have to chuckle cause hes really not but he knows the crazy people in this country would tear him apart if he said he wasn't. Romney says he is a Mormon and truly believes
      i was born a christian and grew up and figured out at a young age its all BS told to the mass's so yes i do look at peoples faith when making a decision on who to vote for. faith is another way of saying ignorant

      May 23, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • Reality

      For those who are "reading challenged":

      One should be voting and governing based on rational thinking. Believing in angels, satans, bodily resurrections, atonement, and heavens of all kinds is irrational.

      May 23, 2012 at 10:45 am |
  17. jon

    Nope this seems to be a race between Obama and his own party:

    In the Democrat primary in Kentucky:

    With 99.8 percent reporting, Barack Obama has 119,245 votes, while 'Uncommitted' has 86,789 votes. That is, Obama has 57.9 percent of the vote, while 'Uncommitted' has 42.1 percent.)

    May 23, 2012 at 6:25 am |
  18. Turnaway

    I say have at each other . . . all is fair in love, war and politics!

    May 23, 2012 at 5:29 am |
  19. Turnaway

    Look in the mirror, is that person you are looking at you or is it a mere illusion? Pinch yourself, did you fill any pain? Truth, you are of flesh and blood and conscious mind. If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one around to hear it, does it make a sound. You exist but how? Did you make yourself or grow yourself by planting your own seed? Someone or something greater then you made you. You are here by Intelligent design. Usually we call a force, that supreme, God. As far as our purpose, we well know, when we cross over to the other side. Note, all science, which is limited, according to the will of God will eventually lead to that brick wall, maned and of a supreme deity . . . God. You so called atheist are confused with the science of God's controlled intellect. Bang theory that!

    May 23, 2012 at 5:26 am |

      there is no god or after life. i am sorry am great as everything thing having a higher purpose would be great but stop kidding yourself. in a logical world we do not need magic

      May 23, 2012 at 10:16 am |
  20. Pundit Squares

    It's good to see they're not poking fun at their religions, I'm sure this will be an intelligent and issues focused debate through and through.


    May 22, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
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