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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Gay marriage • Opinion

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  4. Leucadia Bob

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2yNM8_QbWQ

    June 2, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
  5. Kindness

    Kindness
    For you.
    A thought to consider without a typical ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Let go and let god".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome .

    June 2, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • sam stone

      kindness: you seem to be making a lot of assumptions

      June 2, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • For real?

      ?? A little more succint please.

      June 2, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
  6. For real?

    Here is my philosophy. I believe in God, and my understanding is that he is the judge, judy, and theorhetically, the executioner. This is why I have no desire to worry about or judge anyone else's life. If it doesn't effect you, don't worry about it. And the only people it truly affects are the people who have to live with the predjudice of being gay. It still absolutely amazes me that people think that you can choose to be gay? Who would choose that and be judged and condemned by so many? However, you can choose to be ignorant and mean. I choose not to judge and let God worry about it.

    June 2, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Let me run this by one more time. So many people have trouble grasping a simple concept: While you may not choose your orientation, you do choose your behavior, and it is the behavior that is sinful. We are not mere beasts of the wild who are beholden to our basest desires. We are moral beings capable of choosing between right and wrong. Why do we lock up pedophiles? We don't lock them up for their orientation. We lock them up for their behavior.

      As for why Christians are concerned about what other people do ... As Christians we are called to spread the Word of God and we will be accountable to God if we stand by and say nothing while our brothers and sisters throw themselves into hell. Moreover, by allowing ho-mos-exual behavior we bring God's disfavor upon our nation. Just look at how we are under God's judgment even today with all the tornados and wild fires and economic ruin that are sweeping the nation every day and every week. Open your eyes and see what is happening! It is not because God is pleased with us.

      June 2, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • CrazyChurchPeople

      Christians hate because they are bored and have no life. They come home from work and are bored, so in order to keep them busy, they spread hate. Born again Christians have made a choice, and a life few would want to live, sleeping with their neighbors, cheating on there wives, but going to church on Sunday to spread the word of the Lord. Forget about it.

      June 2, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • sam stone

      Evangelical: Let me run this by one more time. YOU do not speak for god.

      June 2, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • For real?

      Evangelical – pedophile is not an orientation, and please do not compare the two. Sam Stone, perfectly stated. Thank you!

      June 2, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • esmiranda

      @Evangelical – To say that you are trying to "help" anyone by trying to tell them how to live their life is a crock of dung. When religious people become busybodies it is because they are trying to impose their will on others. It's pathetic that you try to use others souls like a frikkin skateboard to slide into heaven. Believe what you believe, but shut the hell up and stop imposing YOUR will – not God's – onto others. People like you are the reason religion is so sickening and hated. Yes, I know, your loving vengeful God will make me burn in hell forever and ever, and that worries you and makes you so sad, even though you seem eager for that to happen. Don't worry about it – I don't. My God would never do that.

      June 2, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • Evangelical

      @CrazyChurch

      As long as you and people like you think that way about Christians, no progress will be made on this issue. As long as you think that Christians are just looking for a reason to hate, it is pointless to argue with you. You missed the entire point that I made.

      June 2, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
  7. James AL

    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you Mr. Kohler. I am glad that someone with some real biblical knowledge has finallly gotten the megaphone. Very well stated. I look forward to reading more from you.

    June 2, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
  8. Dare to hate no one

    If 11 men hang out today eating, bathing, sleeping in the same space, the question "are those guys gay" would have a resounding YES.

    No one knows if Peter and his pals were gay or not. In order to abuse the gay community you must make the argument that these were normal men only wearing dresses.

    Any one can selectively quote the bible with its tens of contradictions in order to abuse the folks that are not like you.

    June 2, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • Matt

      Peter was a married man. End of discussion. Matthew 8:14 And Jesus, on coming into Peter’s house, saw his mother-in-law lying down and sick with fever. 15 So he touched her hand, and the fever left her, and she got up and began ministering to him.

      June 2, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • James AL

      The only people who see the bible as contradictory are those who do not know it. You must understand that it is not a single book and that it spans several didspensations. That said, it would appear contradictory to a novice.

      June 2, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • SuZieCoyote

      Well, gee, James, it seems to me that a loving G*d would want to reach all His children and not make His Word unclear to novices – the very people He supposedly needs to reach to most. Silly religionists. Every kind of mental gymnastics except rationality.

      June 2, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • Bet

      @ JamesAL

      That is an argument that a lot of christians use when they can't explain the bible. They say, well, you just haven't read it. That's an assumption that you don't have the right to make and a generalization that just isn't true.

      I've read the bible in several languages and have studied it for nearly 50 years, including 10 years of private study with christian scholar. It's full of contradictions.

      June 3, 2012 at 12:15 am |
    • Disciple

      Peter was married...

      And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.
      Matthew 8:14

      July 10, 2012 at 2:58 am |
  9. Klon

    The most pressing moral issue of our time? You have got to be kidding me. There is genocide, war, famine, and disaster in our world. Who people spend their time with is more important? You're trying to justify hate – plain and simple.

    June 2, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
  10. Todd Beaucoudray

    FAIL! - As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.” - This man is a Biblical teacher? It's obvious this vision was telling Peter to spread the Gospel to the Gentiles, not only to the Jews. It wasn't meant to be taken literally. If pork was unhealthy then, it's still unhealthy now.

    June 2, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Disciple

      On top of that, we find that even though Peter was "very hungry, and would have eaten" he still DIDN'T "kill, and eat" the unclean food as Jesus said. Instead, Peter himself realizes the meaning of the vision and says, "Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."

      This vision had nothing to do with making unclean food, clean.

      June 2, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
  11. Andrew Pearce

    Even if all that is true, not everyone is a Christian and many do not believe in God, Jesus Christ as His son, heaven, hell and all the rest. Given that America makes so much noise about individual freedom, using your beliefs to constrain someone else's behavior is wrong.

    June 2, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • Bobs Friend

      All proposed laws, rules, regulations etc are based on someones opinions, beliefs, desires, etc. This is a free country, and everyone gets to advocate for laws that they desire to advocate. Just because you don't like my belief system, or I don't like your belief system, doesn't give us the right to declare some each other unworthy of implementing their vision of the country.

      Religious people aren't some special category of people who have no rights to propose laws. Every law that exists oppresses some part of the population under the desires of some other.

      June 2, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • Daniel

      Bobs Friend-

      Why then did our founding fathers create a clear separation of church and state? Were the people who founded this great country not persecuted for their own beliefs? The problem with you statement is that yes, it is fine for people the believe that laws should be one way or another UNLESS those laws are OPPRESSIVE to a set of individuals. Just because you think Leonardo Da Vinci, Tchaikovsky, Ellen, Michelangelo, Alexander The Great, and myself are going to burn in hell does not make it ture.

      Our country was founded on these crazy principles called Freedom and Liberty. That means the freedom to love who my heart, mind, body and spirit urge and tell me to love and the liberty to marry the man that has lifted up my life and made me unabashedly happy.

      YOU do not understand MY love, it is the same love that GOD had for you...you poor fool.
      p.s. GOD = LOVE reread the Bible you missed the entire point.

      June 2, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • Daniel

      Bobs Friend

      Why then did our founding fathers create a clear separation of church and state? Were the people who founded this great country not persecuted for their own beliefs? The problem with you statement is that yes, it is fine for people the believe that laws should be one way or another UNLESS those laws are OPPRESSIVE to a set of individuals. Just because you think Leonardo Da Vinci, Tchaikovsky, Ellen, Michelangelo, Alexander The Great, and myself are going to burn in hell does not make it ture.

      Our country was founded on these crazy principles called Freedom and Liberty. That means the freedom to love who my heart, mind, body and spirit urge and tell me to love and the liberty to marry the man that has lifted up my life and made me unabashedly happy.

      YOU do not understand MY love, it is the same love that GOD had for you...you poor fool.
      p.s. GOD = LOVE reread the Bible you missed the entire point.

      June 2, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • Evangelical

      A common misconception is that God = love. No, God is many things. He can be at once wrathful and merciful. Pray that He is merciful to you.

      June 2, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • Bet

      @ evangelical

      You're right, god isn't love. He's a fairy tale, a myth, a lie and a fraud.

      June 2, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
  12. sue thom

    R. Albert Mohler: FOR ALL YOUR SELF-SERVING STUPID BLAH-BLAH-BLAH, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE *REAL TRUTH* - THAT YOU AND YOUR ILK ARE NOTHING MORE THAN STUPID, GULLIBLE IMBECILES WHO WORSHIP AN INVISIBLE, NON-EXISTENT AND IMAGINARY DEITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    June 2, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • David

      @SueThorn (yawn)

      June 2, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • esmiranda

      Nice screaming and name calling, it certainly helps you get your point across intelligently and succinctly. Good job!

      June 2, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
  13. Arvoasitis

    hello: Perhaps your list should include Pontius Pilate, who is said to have converted to Christianity and to have been numbered as one of the saints among some of the early Christian churches. You also raised the issue of the reliability of the Bible. In the 1950s, Immanuel Velikovsky infuriated both theologians and secular scholars by demonstrating that the Bible is historically consistent with the history of Egypt (not inconsistent as the scholars insist) but only if you accept that the Bible embellishes accounts and Egyptian history includes seven "ghost" centuries that never occurred (seven duplicated centuries). Velikovsky may not have influenced his critics but his revised version of history, which showed that the Hebrews and Egyptians had been allies more often than not, may have influenced Egypt's recognition of Israel.

    June 2, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
  14. hello

    Mother Theresa was a christian, Obama is a christian, Bill & Hilary Cllinton are christians, Bono is a christian, Tim Tebow is a christian, Kevin Costner is a christian, Alice Cooper is a born again christian, Joan of Arc is a christian, Jilmmy Carter is a christian, Martin Luther, CS Lewis, Justin Bieber, Jennifer Hudson, Issac Newton, Sir Robert Boyd......list goes on and on.We are in GOOD company

    June 2, 2012 at 4:02 am |
    • steel

      Thats right!! some of the greatest minds on this planet are christians.....CNN can keep hunting for those who are deranged and represent Christianity poorly.....but there are tens of milliions in this world who are doing so much good and no one will ever hear of them. It is a shame that people on this blog trash everyone – instead of those who are ignorant. The very thing they want from everyone else

      June 2, 2012 at 4:10 am |
    • jungleboo

      The reason christians are being bashed is that they are exercising their "god-given" mandate to bash. They are attempting to have laws enacted which deny fundamental civil rights. They have a long (and proud?) history of doing so, because of their "interpretations" of their scripture. The rest of us have had it up to here with your damnations. No one is asking any religious folks to stop being religious in their own churches and in their own minds. However, when you campaign to"save souls", you have crossed the line. It's in the Book? Oh, well, enjoy being rejected by your fellow man. Isn't that your basic tenet of this reality? This Life's not the real deal, just wait until the Lord comes home? If you have CHOSEN to be saved in some other fantasy land in the future, what does that have to do with anyone else's experience. The movie stars and politicians you have mentioned may or may not be important to the issue. I wouldn't want to be at the same table as Alice Cooper, but maybe being star-struck is part of the Christian agenda.

      June 2, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      I'd sit down with Alice. He still puts on the fright makeup, and he can still RAWK an arena. Not a club, not a county fair, an arena. Which is more than a lot of surviving album-rock acts can say.

      June 2, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Huh?

      I thought Obama was a Muslim...

      June 2, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • ntznomad

      How the heck did Justin Bieber and Jennifer Hudson make that list?

      June 2, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      What did you think they are? Hare Krishnas?

      June 2, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • Bet

      The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Marian Persecutions, the Salem Witch Trials, the genocide of Native Americans, The Troubles in Northern Ireland, the National Liberation Front of Tripura in northeast India, the Manmasi National Christian Army, the KKK, the christian church's support of the 1994 genocide in Rwanda, Anders Behring Breivik. The list goes on and on.

      I do love me some Alice though.

      June 2, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      YOU'RE POIIIIIISOOOOOONNN!
      YOU'RE POISON RUNNIN' THROUGH MY VEINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      June 3, 2012 at 12:29 am |
  15. howart Dao

    The Bible are just words of mouth passing on. Only the Book of Mormons is proven because Joseph Smith had the golden plates from God with the words inscribed on it.

    June 2, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      Yeah, ya gotta watch those counterfeiting plates...
      😛

      June 2, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • hello

      What backward mountain hillbilly school did you go to? There have been many scholars and gay folk on this wall who agree that the bible is history that is proven....the fight is over who people think Jesus was? Its like some of you don't read

      June 2, 2012 at 3:48 am |
    • JGM33528

      Hmm.....try that in English please.

      June 2, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  16. Wiser Than Ewe (not a sheep)

    So 2000 years later primative zealots still try to enforce the dictates of a iron age Jim Jones. Sadly, kool-aid was invented a couple of millenia too late.

    June 2, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • steel

      Are you ten years old? Does your mom know your on this blog? you should go to bed now dear

      June 2, 2012 at 4:04 am |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      I preferred David Koresh. He had way cooler weapons.

      June 2, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not too 'cool' in the end...

      June 2, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • Bet

      @ tom tom

      bwahahaha!

      June 3, 2012 at 12:05 am |
  17. David

    Once again Christians trying to distance themselves from the old testament. For a religion that fights change, you sure to make a lot of exceptions in the long run.

    June 1, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Bet

      Hey, a god's gotta do what a god's gotta do to keep asses in the seats and open wallets in the collection basket.

      June 1, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      How about we take the collection baskets and turn them over to a kids' lacrosse team?

      June 1, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
    • salt

      Whos distancingi? Nothing to distance ourselves from – the old testament is amazing!!! Just went and saw some of the ruins in Egypt and Israel.....History is not outside of any of us – it is a part of us

      June 2, 2012 at 3:44 am |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      Those ruins in Egypt on the Giza Plateau are the tombs of kings, and are monuments to pagan gods, not Christianity. They believed in building tombs that told the stories of their reigns, and of the protection of the god Osiris, god of the underworld. (The underworld was not Hell, it's where ALL the dead went in the afterlife. They couldn't go UP, because the god Ra was visible in the sky.) Osiris became god of the underworld after his brother, Seth, killed him in jealousy over Osiris wife, Isis, whom Seth desired.

      June 2, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • salt

      Huh!!! Galactial you OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT TRAVELED!!!!! Quit while you are ahead!! you don't even know what you are saying!!!hahahahahahahah

      June 2, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      No, I haven't traveled. But I HAVE read Egyptian mythology.
      It was also in one of the pyramids that Aleister Crowley claimed he received The Book of the Law from the Egyptian god Horus.
      It's YOU who looks foolish, salt, because you've obviously never read Egyptian mythology, or hung around with Egyptian neo-pagans.

      June 2, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      And by Egyptian neo-pagans, I mean Wiccans who worship the Egyptian pantheon.

      June 2, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      The more I think about it, salt, I can't believe your ignorance. The pyramids are the tombs of the Pharoahs. You can't tell me the Pharoahs were Christian. Or even Jewish. They worshipped multiple godesses and gods. Just like the Greeks, Romans, and Celts. When I was a tarot card-carrying Wiccan, I worshipped the Celtic pantheon.

      June 2, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Kelly

      Oh I see... so you're ok with society evolving, just not the Christians.

      June 2, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Kelly

      Christians claim that the bible is god's word and that god doesn't change.

      Evolution IS change.

      June 2, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
  18. social worker

    Because they are latent- that's why.

    The reason smart people hate religious people- I mean for more than the obvious reasons- is that they try to control others.
    Such hypocrites.

    June 1, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • salt

      Wow that was deep. Up till now there has not been too many waves between these two camps.....until laws are changed – thats when the problems start. Christians do not control any gay persons life that I know of....sort of ridiculous statement. There are many reasons for fear for both sides – much at stake.....if you really are a social worker – it would have been really nice to see some maturity on your comment

      June 2, 2012 at 3:42 am |
    • Bet

      Today's ad hominem argument brought to you by......

      June 2, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      salt, you are obviously very young and not well-educated. The fundamentalists support DOMA and wish to remove the rights of women to make their own medical decisions. They do indeed seek to control the lives of others.

      June 2, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      @Bet: See the comments he made to me regarding Egyptian mythology. Obviously, he's never studied Egyptian mythology; its' pantheon of goddesses and gods.

      June 2, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • GALACTICA-CMDR. AIR GROUP

      Today's ad hominem argument brought to you by...
      BATH SALT!

      June 2, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Bet

      @ galactica

      Yeah I saw that, funny. So many people think that because Bethlehem exists, that proves the whole nativity story. Egypt exists, so Moses and the exodus is fact.

      Do you think bath salt smells like decay?

      June 3, 2012 at 12:03 am |
  19. Wayne

    The religious business model relied on followers. Persecute and condemn the unbelievers and be fruitful and multiply. When building power and wealth, you need followers. You instill fear, pick and choose those doctrines from texts written previous that support your objective. Gay couples in that day and age didn't produce children thus they didn't fit the business model of making more followers to consolidate wealth and power. Condemn what doesn't work to achieve the objectives and promote what does by calling it the word of God when in reality, it's all man made.

    June 1, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
  20. jablonski

    >>“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

    Look a few lines lower in matthew 19 than what you've cited.

    Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
    And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

    When i see modern Christianity as concerned about this concept as they are who sleeps with who and how, I'll give them some credit for internal consistency. Again, this isn't a matter of contrasting old/new testaments, this is literally ON THE SAME PAGE as the citation given for marriage above.

    June 1, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • Regis990

      Prove the Bible is really written by God and you win. Since you can't, you lose.

      June 1, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • cincy2nyc

      The bible thumpers will always pick the parts of the bible they can use to put others beneath them and to control the behaviors of others they don't like. The bible was written by men; when people thought the world was flat, when people thought the earth was the center of the universe, when people thought storms and earthquakes we're acts of the "gods." They and their ilk are on the way out.

      June 1, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
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