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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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  1. Ms

    Who the hell cares what the Bible says? If you want to "follow" the Bible be my guest, but leave the rest of us out of it. Forcing me to follow your Bible is like me forcing you to follow my diet.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Jason

      Again, people like you are like a plague. Stop acting like your in the civil rights era and have to drink out of your won faucet. Not one Christian forces you to do anything any more than the crucifiction of Christ convicts you to stop sinning. You are simply self victimizing yourself to be in a role of persecution. Which is hilarious because your basically blaming Christians for your guilt because they articulate their beliefs, and since you don't like them, you victimize yourself as someone being forced by them. If you want to know what FORCE feels like, try being molested as a child, or beatup by your Dad, or forced into a concentration camp, or forced to sit in the back of the bus. Then complain, until then, at least generate an argument that my 12 year old couldn't debunk.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • JohnnyAnonymous

      At least you could make a more compelling/logical explanation as to why a particular diet is/isn't good for you. 😛

      May 21, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • Evangelicals are Crazy

      Go and keep that cr ap in your bigoted churches. But stop forcing others who are NOT of your religious brand to have to follow the religious ways. Not everyone is religious or of the same religion. Can't legislate morality because it means different things to different people. Now keep your religion out of my life!

      May 21, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
  2. J.W

    I wonder how you can find one of your old posts. I said something earlier and wanted to see if anyone responded to it.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
  3. Duke One

    "Yes, I am coming quickly." Revelation 22:21

    May 21, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      Same!!

      May 21, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Mister Jones

      Is this the same guy that took a million years, and called it one day?

      May 21, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Jason

      NO but just about ANY first grader has a sense of humor at your level Beavis.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
  4. Snowdog

    All you Atheits out there. What if your wrong? Think about it. What if your wrong??????? If we Christians are wrong, we will just die and that is it. If you Atheists are wrong you will face the one you do not believe in and be in eternity forever separated from God who is love. If your an atheists what do you have to live for if there is nothing after death. Have you ever seen anatheist die. They struggle to hold onto life and fear death. When a Christain dies they are peaceful. Again, I ask you the question, what if you Atheists are wrong? Someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • momoya

      Pascal's Wager is very stupid and has been refuted many, many times.. Look it up.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Drew

      What if we are both wrong? What if the Mormons are correct?

      May 21, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Red

      Beware, if Allah is God, then you're going to hell for eternity.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Ms

      You're*

      And what if you're wrong? I'm willing to bet that any rational God would understand my concerns.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • John

      If we're both wrong and Islam is right we'll both go to hell. If Hinduism is right we'll come back as chickens. I'll share my feed with you.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Snowdog

      The Mormons believe in God and Jesus.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Drew

      So? For all we know, God is a strict Mormon, and any non mormon doesn't get into heaven.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Snow

      what if the real god is zeus? or Ra.. or what if it is Krishna.. or Thor!! Lets start worshiping every one of em

      May 21, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Ms

      Oh and I've seen several Christians die, and while it's true that some are peaceful, others... not so much. And there are atheists who die without fear. Christopher Hitchens is a recent example that comes to mind

      May 21, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • JohnnyAnonymous

      What if George Carlin was right and we should all be giving our prayers to Joe Pesci......

      May 21, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Dave

      So your argument in believing in a divine being is fear of being wrong? What if you are wrong? What if the only thing that matters is the short life you have here on Earth? Then you will have wasted your entire life for nothing! All the wars, the hate, the fear, for nothing!

      In your arguement, God is ever receding as new epoch of science uncover and reveal to us the mysteries of the universe. Using analytical and critical thinking force you to reject the notion of a higher power as completely silliness... but then that is a fearful thing, an act of bravery that most people are too afraid to accept.

      For me, i choose not to be hateful, not to condeme others for their behavior and monitor my own. I try not to encroach on other's beliefs except when others try to force theirs on me. I try to live fairly, and be pleasant. I am an atheist.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Mark

      No Drew, Mormons believe that everyone is going to heaven.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Jason

      I love the fact that this guy posed a "WHAT IF" question and threw all of you into a tailspin. Hmmm, give you an example. John says,"Hey Jill what if you don't play the lottery"? Jill says, (then I won't win the lottery.". See little people, it can be done. You can answer the question. I especially love how most of you said "what if your wrong" and the person already answered that in their initial statement LOLOLOL!!! I try to look at it from your perspective, but I can't get my head that far in my butt.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • JohnnyAnonymous

      @Snow

      I like your suggestion. I will begin putting together songs of worship for Ra, Joe Pesci, Odin, Bill Murray, God, and an assortment of various Fruits and Vegetables that way we make sure we don't leave anyone out.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Evangelicals are Crazy

      Oh God exists all right, but it is nothing like what people think or what religion say. He cares not if you are an atheist or even a muslim. There is no wrong here. There are rules to this universe and then there is Hierarchy. Religion is just a mechanism. What matters is do you do service to your self or you do service others? Buddhism comes closer to this philosophy of life than any other religion.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
  5. Mike

    Unfortunately the author is ignorant of old Testament church law..

    May 21, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Snowdog

      Are you a scholar Mike?

      May 21, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
  6. Sebastien Cole

    I was glad to see Mohler mention divorce there at the end. Who cares about shellfish for crying out loud – the question is why, when Christians are getting divorced at a breakneck pace with absolutely no concern for the bible at all, should people like Mohler spend so much more energy fighting gay marriage than in keeping Christians married. His answer – that gay marriage is topical – is completely insufficient.

    If Mohler wanted to convince me that his conviction is real he would spend as much time fighting divorce as he does gay marriage, and I don't care what reporters are calling him about. Anyone think he'll do that any time soon?

    May 21, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Shane

      He has written about it. http://www.albertmohler.com/2010/09/30/divorce-the-scandal-of-the-evangelical-conscience/

      Resarch before bashing saves you from looking foolish.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
  7. Patrick from Minnesota

    Did this guy seriously try to justify hypocrisy?! Wow, my Church really has gone downhill.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • QS

      Your religion was never up the hill to begin with.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  8. zookz

    "The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. "

    So, the Church is fallible. The Church is fallible because it's founded on the misguided / misinterpreted beliefs of men. A Bible, and it's infinite manifestations and translations waws written by people who also believed the Earth was flat. Patriarchal religions are a joke, structures and systems founded on males' power over .... female, nature... life.

    The people I've met over the course of my long lfe who were the most spiritual and followed most closely in the footsteps of what many would call Jesus' way, were not members of any organized reliegion. The most deceitful, hateful, greedy, abusive, intolerant people I've met over the same many years, were all church going members of some patriarchcal religion or another.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Dave

      Amen.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • JohnnyAnonymous

      *thumbs up to this*

      May 21, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
  9. jo an

    As a RECOVERING SO BAPTIST...I could care less that they think or how they read the BIble. They did enough damage to my psych! They have not seat at my table. I say to them go 'spew' your venom elsewhere....

    May 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Evangelicals Su ck

      Sorry to head about the baptists. My wife was a baptist of that brand and she's no longer, now a Buddhist. They are the worst kind of christians with all the politics and condemnation. I don't need religion. I just follow the 2 commandments: 1 Love God 2 Love others as oneself. That should bring peace to the world.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
  10. Gospel Truth

    When I read these type of articles I always wonder, "What does that have to do with the Gospel?" The gospel condemns no one who is willing to come to God with a humble and compassionate heart and recognize the power that created heaven and earth. That grace applies to all people gay, straight, man, woman, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist etc. Anti-theist will call that belief a fairy tale and that God is dead. Perhaps but that gospel propounded by Nietzsche and other humanists has only led to selfishness, commercialism and social darwinism. The irony to me is that those who should be caring for the sick, feeding the poor and spreading the good news to the broken have become these odd little nationalist more concerned with preserving their heritage and keeping gay people in the closet than loving people.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Sebastien Cole

      That was beautiful. Thank you.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • QS

      The problem with that sentiment, regarding gay people specifically, is in your mind, to "come to god" means gay people must repent for being gay because it's still considered a "sin".

      See the problem here? You can appear as welcoming and accepting as you want, but if you still follow that belief system you're still essentially saying that gay people can believe as you do, they just first have to admit and acknowledge that everything they know about themselves is wrong because your belief system says so.

      No thanks. I'm already anti-religion, but I'm even starting to become wary of religious people who say they support gay people because there's always, always, an ulterior motive.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Ralph Henson

      Man has weakened what Jesus said. He said,"If you love me, follow my commands." He also said, "Go and sin no more."
      Man says, No need to change, just believe There is a lot of difference there..

      May 21, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  11. n8263

    Christians think Sharia Law is immoral but impose their own Sharia Law here in America.
    No matter what version, it's immoral to impose your religion by denying others civil rights.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Evangelicals are Crazy

      Shariah laws are a muslim thing. Christian are of all brands and kinds. Sharia laws are the most abusive and cruel things you can do to humans specially women. To say that christians are using sharia laws is ignorant.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
  12. Stuart

    The Old Testament was written (by humans) in Hebrew. The New Testament was written (also by humans) in Greek. I'll wager R. Albert Mohler Jr. has never read either book in its original language. He and others who say the Bible is the literal word of God have merely read one or more of the English translations. Who know's what it was intended to mean? They read into what they want to support their personal fears and prejudice.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Evangelicals are Crazy

      Its even worse. The NT was written in Rome by the Piso family to invent a religion around a composite man they call Jesus to help the empire stay together with a common religion that the emperor could endorse. The Jesus story can be found in ancient Egypt, India and Greece. There was a man who I'll call Joshua that was crucified. Is he the real person? I don't know. BTW, the Roman Catholic Church knows this well and keeps the story going in their rituals. All other Christian religions stem from them.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
  13. QS

    If I were straight, I'd still be an Atheist.

    If I were religious, I'd still be gay.

    And if I had been born in the south, I'd probably be just as misguided as the author of this article.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
  14. taintright

    Thank you for addressing this topic so well Mr. Mohler, Jr. I would also like to add, only God can judge a person. It's not a Christian's place to judge, but to offer assistance to those who are in want of God's word. "Anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as the son of God and acknowledges Jesus as the Savior of their sins will have eternal life." We all have the choice to believe and say it in prayer. Come judgment day, God will cast out them bad apples (non-believers and hypocratic repeating offenders/sinners).

    May 21, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Raven

      But one must acknowledge that bringing up a biblical truth to those who err is not judging them.
      The bible clearly states that Christians are to take a person to one side and privately show them
      their sins as stated in the bible.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      If you want to claim it is truth, you must demonstrate that it is, otherwise, it's an opinion based on an interpretation of a copy of a copy of a translation of a copy of something written down in the middle east by people who knew nothing about how the world worked.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
  15. Reality

    Dear RM Jr.,

    ONLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS:

    Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    From: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1855948_1861760_1862212,00.html#ixzz0jg0lEyZj

    “Facing calls to curb child se-x abuse within its churches, in June the Southern Baptist Convention — the largest U.S. religious body after the Catholic Church — urged local hiring committees to conduct federal background checks but rejected a proposal to create a central database of staff and clergy who have been either convicted of or indicted on charges of molesting minors. The SBC decided against such a database in part because its principle of local autonomy means it cannot compel individual churches to report any information. And while the headlines regarding churches and pedophilia remain largely focused on Catholic parishes, the lack of hierarchical structure and systematized record-keeping in most Protestant churches makes it harder not only for church leaders to impose standards, but for interested parties to track allegations of abuse."

    Bottom line Mr. Mohler, clean up your own theology and current Baptist issues with pedophilia before commenting on morals.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • The Flamingo Kid

      The reasons you stated are exactly why gays need to be ousted. They are perverted, deviant pedophiles who are infiltrating the masses.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Snow

      @flamingo.. time to hit this other book called dictionary to look up the words you heard in your local church..

      May 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Jason

      Are you perfect enough articulate your opinion based upon the standard you just set? All that blabbering and you can't even realize that to expect man to be perfect, means you also condemn yourself, and if your not perfect, then what business do you have even speaking. The phrase, "clean your own back yard before you clean someone elses" has been interpreted by you as, "if anyone says anything you disagree with, you will paint them as judging you, which is pretty judgmental to say. My 12 year old son could easily debate your theology sir. It's called the theology of my imagination, and even 10 year olds can do that.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Reality

      Cleaning up the backyards of 21st century religion:

      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      prob•a•bly

      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

      earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current problems:

      The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

      5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      May 21, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Jason

      @Reality: Copy and paste on another day. Have enough inarticulative sense to pontificate your own opinion. You know, if your correct, then your are saying that Germany did nothing wrong by persecuting the Jews for their faith.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Reality

      Summarizing 21st century Christianity with a prayer-

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.
      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (references used are available upon request)

      May 21, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
  16. The Flamingo Kid

    Fantastic article! It really puts those in their place who are trying to use the Bible to teach that gays are acceptable!

    May 21, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • jo an

      HO HUM!! Excuse me while I feel sad for the So Baptist and especially sad for the children whose lives they have damaged. I was on that list.. Not Gay...just filled with lies by ignorant men standing up in the front of the church yelling...

      May 21, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • zookz

      Who gives a fig what the Bible says? You want to believe what the Bible says...go right ahead. Just keep your Bible out of my life. Last I heard we still live in a secular society. And trust me, I'll fight tooth and nail to keep it that way.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Josh Carroll

      What do you do with individuals born with both male and female parts? Biblically of course..

      May 21, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
  17. JohnnyAnonymous

    "In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us."

    This affirms MY belief that fundamental Christians (or any religious fundamentalist for that matter) isn't capable of thinking for themselves and requires a book written by a mythical person/creature to direct them.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Jason

      At least Christians hold themselves to a book that is far less foulable than your own imaginative opinions of what right and wrong are. It's not about thinking for ourselves, it's about trusting something greater than yourself, which you clearly don't do by thinking your intellect is above the bible. There is nothing in the world that would make you more arrogant. Oh and by the way, I'm pretty sure, everything you know, including math, was something you learned in a book genius.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • JohnnyAnonymous

      There is a huge difference between a math book and religious texts....

      May 21, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  18. Duke One

    "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also." John 14:3 Jesus wil come again !

    May 21, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • tibeau

      Funny Duke One, I was once at a funeral service in a rural Southern Baptist church. The minister used this same verse to back up his belief that there would be a will in heaven. His exact words were "If I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. So you see there's gonna be a will up there. Is your name written in the will." See how ignorant people can interpret the bible.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Reality

      John 14:3. This passage was not said by the historical Jesus but was wishful thinking and an embellishment by John to make Jesus more like the ancient and local gods of first century Palestine. Said passage is a single attestation found no where else in the NT making it historically unreliable. e.g. http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=210_Place_of_Life

      And from Professor Bruce Chilton in his book, Rabbi Jesus,

      "Conventionally, scholarship has accorded priority to the first three gospels in historical work on Jesus, putting progressively less credence in works of late date. John's Gospel for example is routinely dismissed as a source......

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John#Authorship

      "Since "the higher criticism" of the 19th century, some historians have largely rejected the gospel of John as a reliable source of information about the historical Jesus.[3][4] "[M]ost commentators regard the work as anonymous,"[5] and date it to 90-100."

      "The authorship has been disputed since at least the second century, with mainstream Christianity believing that the author is John the Apostle, son of Zebedee. Modern experts usually consider the author to be an unknown non-eyewitness, though many apologetic Christian scholars still hold to the conservative Johannine view that ascribes authorship to John the Apostle."

      And from Professor Gerd Ludemann, in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 416,

      "Anyone looking for the historical Jesus will not find him in the Gospel of John. "

      May 21, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
  19. slapyou

    actually says a spiritual man judges all things.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  20. Mark

    The simple fact is that if I get a legal marriage to another man in my own religious tradition, it's has not impact on Mr. Mohler or his life as a Christian.

    On the other hand, when he demands a say in my life and who I can marry, it potentially ruins my life if my partner or I wind up in the hospital in the wrong state, the taxes we pay vs. our straight neighbors, property and finance issues if one of us passes away, etc, etc, etc.

    Since I don't want to have anything to do with or impact on Mr. Mohler's life, why are he and his Christian ilk trying to ruin mine? I'm sure Joshua would be oh so proud of them.

    May 21, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • clarify

      I think that many of us are concerned for the future. We see this battle as an eroding of morality. With that erosion, we see religious freedom being taken away. It has already started to trickle and who knows how fast it will pick up before those who are religious will be persecuted and forced to hide. If immorality becomes commonplace, how fast will society fall? Rome fell for many of the things we face now.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
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