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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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  1. Ryan

    Religion is such a waste of time, all this fighting and arguing over something that in 50 years will be as natural as divorce is now. Religion fights change-loses--comes out and says we were all for that. Its one big joke on all of us.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
    • Roy

      You're right – divorce is so natural. I have one every week or two – it's been awesome for society and our kids. Yeah!

      May 21, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
  2. sqeptiq

    " the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction." And so was the slavery movement in the south.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
  3. cleareye1

    If only we could measure the total of human energy that has been expended on worshipping gods of all kinds and calculate where human progress would be without that expense, we might learn something yet.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • Tim S.

      You haven't a clue as to the impact of and Christians on history. You are not a student of history, obviously. Take away all the Christians who have made a difference throughout history, and you'd be living in a cave, wearing bear skins, using bone tools.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Observer

      Tim S.,

      So the ancient Greeks lived in a cave?

      Get serious.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • Michael

      @Tim S. If it hadn't been for the Muslims, we'd still be counting using Roman numerals. (Then again, SuperBowl fans still do.)

      May 21, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • Drew Miller

      To Tim S.,

      Ummmmm, you do know the bronze age preceded Christianity? Right? As did agriculture. What did Christianity have to do with agriculture?

      What would the middle east be right now without the crusades? I'm sure all those Hugenots are grateful to the Christians. I mean, what would St. Bartholomew's day be without Christians?

      May 21, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
  4. pastapharian

    The fact that otherwise intelligent people will come here to type posts in defense of an ancient, contradictory book of obvious fiction makes me fear for the future of our species. Seriously.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • Tim S.

      Sorry. You're not worth the counter-argument. Better luck next time. 🙂

      May 21, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • terry

      Reply to Tim S – you're not a Christian replying like that are you ?

      May 21, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • pastapharian

      Tm: the FACT is, there is NO counter argument. It is impossible to argue about the validity of religion because there is absolutely NO PROOF that any of it ever happened. Period. This is not debatable. If you insist on living your life based on the ramblings of some ancient text, go for it. But count me and the other critcal thinkers out of this blathering waste of tme and energy.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • Don Camp

      I already fear for the future of our species.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Bodhi

      Their numbers are shrinking, which may offer hope for our future. Viva science!

      May 21, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
  5. Drew Miller

    Jesus died for YOUR sins!

    Not mine...

    May 21, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • pastapharian

      nobody died for anybody's sins. And even if some guy said he was going to die for "our" sins, how does that magically make all the other BS that christians bloviate on and on about even remotely true? what a crock.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • cleareye1

      Jesus was tricked, just like a lot of people today that still send their money to crooks like Jimmy Swaggart, the Crouches, Rev Schuller4, etc, etc.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Bodhi

      John Dillinger died for your sins... RIP Robert Anton Wilson

      May 21, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
  6. Randoms

    Hypocrisy. You see it in all forms of christanity. – Turn your head, but realize that what you are told to worship, is a broken house and a fable. It is hard to grasp that your loved ones and you may not have another shot at some heaven. Is it too bad to think you just die and rot away. This religion tenant is very old, like stories passed on. Walking on water, giving sight to the blind is similar to the tv show evangulists. I don[t mind religous people, I think that it is good to hang on to something. Just don't force it on me.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • cleareye1

      Sadly, too many "Christians" are so consumed by hatred of Obama that they are willing to ignore the teachings in their sacred text. If it doesn't say it's OK for a blackish, sort of Muslimy, guy with an African type name is allowed to lead then that's all the need to oppose a potential great president. Don't help the country, instead hate the man.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Tim S.

      Come to the bright side. We can always use one more hypocrite. You'll fit right in.......

      May 21, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • Bet

      Religions use that all the time. They quote from made up books to either excuse their own behavior or to accuse others of "sin" so they can oppress them. It's the only way they can function.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Don Camp

      Who does that, Randoms? I certainly recommend carefully considering Jesus and the forgiveness offered through him. I believe your life will depend upon it. I strongly recommend living according to the directions given by the Creator. It seems stupid to me to ignore the manufacturer's instructions. But force it on you? No. That would accomplish nothing.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
  7. Drew Miller

    John 4:20

    May 21, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • pastapharian

      the book of Weed

      May 21, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
  8. John Hyde

    What about long hair on a man? Paul said that goes against nature itself, and this was New Testament, not part of the 'holiness code' retcon.

    So why aren't Christians calling for laws against men having long hair?

    May 21, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Gman

      you make a good point, but the law in the bible was given under the old testament as a way to seek the righteousness
      of god and it was unobtainable. that is why a new and better covenant was needed which came uner the shed blood
      of jesus for once and for all. the law is only a light that shines on mans moral short commings and brings to light
      our state of sin since our fall from grace. we as christians don't believe the law can save us anymore than we
      can obtain perfection by our own efforts. we simply acknowledge thats gods perfect will is unobtainable without
      the saving blood of christ.

      THATS THE BEAUTY OF IT ALL. is the bible shows us how far we are from GODS holiness but provides
      the simplest of answers for once and for all. no more sacrifice of animals from the old testament.
      all we have to do is confess our believe in the holy messiah who died for us on the cross. That
      mighty name of JESUS. and every door opens for those who accept it.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • terry

      Well, ok, but leave others alone who don't think like you and stop trying to force your beliefs on everyone also. This article was about Gays – the Gays are NOT affecting you and so why are you and those like you so all fired bent on foamimg at the mouth and getting downright nasty about gay marriage when it does NOT affect you ????

      May 21, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Bet

      "THATS THE BEAUTY OF IT ALL. is the bible shows us how far we are from GODS holiness but provides
      the simplest of answers for once and for all."

      Oh please. The bible provides no answers. You christians can't even agree among yourselves what it says, but you keep trying to force it down the throats of people who clearly aren't interested.

      If you want to believe in a made up book of lies, myths and fairy tales, fine. Just quit trying to get laws passed so the rest of us have to follow it too.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • Gman

      @ terry and bet, i'm not seeking to enoy you in anyway or judge you. as a christian i simply seek to preach the salvation
      of jesus christ. while i might believe that the bible says being gay is not gods will for your life i do not judge you
      because the bible also says

      " ALL HAVE SINNED AND COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD " , that includes me.

      i simply want people to see that a holy god came and died on the cross for us and his name is JESUS.

      it's free to all who ask.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • terry

      Reply to Gman – OK, I have no problem with what you just said, but I do have a problem with these Christians who just go nuts and try to tell everyone else about everyone's sins and to insist that laws be in favor of that THEY believe when matters of gay marriage do not affect anyone else. AND don't assume that I am Gay.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Bet

      I believe that I stated clearly that I am not interested in your god, your jesus or your bible. I've studied the bible, I was raised in a religious home. I know all about "being saved".

      You are free to believe whatever you want. Just stop trying to get me to believe it too.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
    • Gman

      @ bet , in the middle of the battle over what's sin in gods eyes and what's not , or what lifestyle we should live
      we lose sight often of the most important thing of all. JESUS isn't a religion but the very son of god incarnate
      walking on this earth. and even when john the baptist saw him from a distance the radiance was so bright
      he said from a distance , ' HERE COMES THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD " ,
      the apostle paul said knowledge without love is nothing. if there has been lack of love in you life or whatever
      it may be. the man on the cross who's brilliance surpasses all knows you and loves you. maybe it's so that
      you have never really had anyone tell you that sincerely. BUT HE DOES.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • Bet

      @gman

      What is your problem? I know all about jesus, the cross, god is love, ad nauseum. It's all a bunch of fairy tales, so stop shoving down everyone's throat and stop trying to legislate people into believing in your imaginary friends.

      May 22, 2012 at 1:06 am |
    • Gman

      bet , you have made a mistake in your thinking right there. i am not trying to legislate anything. as i said i only
      want to proclaim the word of god. let the legislatures battle those things out. don't assume i'm trying to legislate against
      anything. my only desire is to tell people about the cross and what it means. restoration to gods kingdom and
      deliverance from satans power and death.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:30 am |
  9. Drew Miller

    ecclesiastes 1:18

    May 21, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • Michael

      Relative to these blogs, Ecclesiastes 1:9 somehow seems more apropos.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
  10. Oneforall777

    For all these people who find the Bible, "full of lies/bigotry/fairy tales/ignorance" etc. It is these very same sentiments that have caused so many problems for humans for thousands of years. God is trying to teach us over and over that he created us, therefore we must obey him by following a set of very simple and very helpful commands. However, he gave us free will, so If we choose not to obey him or his commands (which are actually good for us), then we must face the consequences, which we have. It's like a human Father setting down helpful rules for his children, if the children choose not to obey the rules, they suffer the consequences. Except that God, the Father of all of us, and the Creator of all things in our Universe, has even more concern for us, even more love than anyone can ever imagine. The Bible has been proven to be incredibly accurate by well known Historians, Archeologists, Biologist, Scientists etc. Events, names, places named in the Bible, have been proven to be accurate, even though Archeology has truly only been possible over the past 140 years. Still so much has come to light, down to the tiniest details in many books of the Bible. Please search the internet for the Bible and History and you will be alarmed at what you discover, it's tremendous. Please don't be so quick to write-off the Bible. It is God's word. God always spoke through others, as is his right, no one has ever seen the face of God, but they have heard his voice. All three major religions are in fact relatives. It was prophesized in the Old Testament that the Muslims (Ishmael) would be a great nation, he would also be a 'wild one' like a wild ass..... he will be against everyone and every one will feel the same towards him..... he will live near the rest of his kin.... (Genesis 9:12-13). And this is true today of the Muslims, they are against everyone and everyone against them. Of the Jews, who are the Christians' brothers and half-brothers of the Muslims (Ishamael and Issac had the same Father, Abraham), because they continually sinned against God, worshipping other Gods, comitting adultery, murder, stealing etc., even though God said not to, he (God), grafted in another branch, namely the Gentiles (Christians), and sacrificed his own Son, namely Yeshua, so that the continuing sins of the Jews could be wiped clean (that was the sacrificial system of old with a lamb), but still the Jews did not completely follow God, so Jesus turned to the Gentiles, as was prophesized. All in God's timing, all according to God. One day the Jews will 'see' as prophesized and will walk with the Christians and obey God. You see God gave us free will. You choose how you use that will. Is it for good, or is it for bad? You get to choose. Ask for God's will to be done every day, it's that easy. Yes there are Christians, many of them, who say one thing and do another, like all religions. God knows about them, it's not for us to judge them. All we can do is try to lead a life that pleases our Father God, he lays it out for us, it's not complicated. We are not perfect, because we chose evil over good in the Garden of Eden, however, whoever lives by Faith in God and his Son Jesus, WILL have everlasting life. This 100 years (maybe), is nothing compared to life eternal is it?

    May 21, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • Jim

      Can you make your post a little longer? I'm sure we all want to hear about every detail of what you believe.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
    • Observer

      "It's like a human Father setting down helpful rules for his children,"

      Wrong. A human father can actually be proven to exist. A human father is there for immediate punishment if necessary.

      Children depend on a HUMAN father to safely make it through the day. They don't depend on God when crossing a street, but a HUMAN father.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • terry

      Well, ok for you and those who believe like you. That is ok with me. But WHY WHY WHY WHY do you and those who believe like you insist that everyone also believe like you ??? !!! If free will is the thing , as you say, then leave everyone else alone !!!

      May 21, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • Jablonski

      Your blathering comment has that ring of the fervently religious – and the hopelessly deluded.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • pastapharian

      Paragraphs are your friend.

      Also, there is no god. Deal with it.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • moose4u2

      right on right on!!!!!

      May 21, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • Bet

      "The Bible has been proven to be incredibly accurate by well known Historians, Archeologists, Biologist, Scientists etc. Events, names, places named in the Bible, have been proven to be accurate, even though Archeology has truly only been possible over the past 140 years. Still so much has come to light, down to the tiniest details in many books of the Bible."

      This is a lie. Just because there was a city called Jericho doesn't prove that the city wall fell down when someone blew a trumpet. That's like saying because there's a city called Atlanta that Scarlett O'Hara really existed. In fact, archaeologists who have excavated the city have proved that it is nowhere near where the bible says it is.

      I'd be interested in what proof you have of talking snakes, burning bushes that talk, women turning into salt, and that Noah lived to be 950 years old. I'd love to hear the names these well known scientists, biologists and historians who have found all the evidence you claim exists.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
  11. GAY BEEF

    gay

    May 21, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
  12. terry

    It's all just so sad that people cannot live their own lives and worry about their own sins and stop trying to condem everyone else.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • Jim

      Exactly. And, may I add, it's ironic that the conservative political party that wants government out of your lives wants to control others. So, there want government out of your life, unless it's a moral issue that they so self righteously need to control.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
  13. bob

    some of you are jokes. who cares what the bible says. the left tries to slam the bible over gay marriage. this isnt about the bible. they are trying to point blame at catholics when it has nothing to do with anything about this topic. if adam and steve want to float around and pretend to be married then who cares? the problem is adam and steve cannot create a baby together so therefore if you give them the same rights as a man and women they will indeed be aloud to adopt a child. anyone who can sit here and say that child wont have a ton of problems growing up is just an idiot. its wrong. two men and two women cant create a child. isn't that telling you something right there? Again, i am not totally against gay marriage. if you really love that person whatever, but its not natural and because people don't agree with what you want then you start calling them the ignorant people. go get married or pretend to and stop forcing people who dont want to hear about it to be involved and accepting of it.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      So should any person who is sterile by birth or accident not be allowed to have the same rights as other married couples?

      May 21, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • bob

      No a man and women can create a kid. if a women or man just so happens to not have kids why should they not be allowed to adopt? thats what its there for. im sorry but two dads or two moms and the kid is going to get teased his or hers whole life. its been a certain way since the beginning of time. now all of a sudden in 2012 you have a bunch of liberals that want to change things to benefit them and all of us straight people have to accept it or get deemed as ignorant.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Observer

      bob,

      Gays and lebians can produce children. Basic Biology 101.

      If you are left with ONLY two men or two women, it doesn't matter at all if they are heteros or gays,.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Drew Miller

      Is that your name or what you do?

      May 21, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Surviving the World

      I'm confused, so you're telling us bob, that since two people aren't able to create a children without a surrogate and that even when they do have a child through a surrogate or adopt a child, he or she will be teased for their whole life (a.k.a. high school) that LGBT people shouldn't be afforded the same rights as straight people?

      bob, please understand what you write before actually committing it to a blog forum. You are using sadly misinformed and out of date "arguments" in order to make sure that gay people are kept down.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • pastapharian

      Bob: people with your level of ignorance scare the living s h it out of me. Please don't ever breed.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:56 pm |
    • Chibs

      Damn the straight people for constantly making these gay babies that grow up and want nothing more than to adopt a child in need of a home and loving family when the straight people just keep reproducing like rabbits and throwing said needing children into foster/adoption homes, thus increasing the surplus world's population.

      May 23, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
  14. k5150

    Well said. Thank you!

    May 21, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
  15. James

    "In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer."

    Albert's quote suggests that he is a clairvoyant mind-reader...

    May 21, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
  16. terry

    Funny how people rate the "sin" One (1) is not bad at all
    Ten (10) is very bad
    Murder would be 10
    Adultry would be about 5
    Gay would be about Five Million, I guess

    May 21, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • terry

      The ratings above being those of the bigots

      May 21, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
  17. Jim

    Their must be a sun god because there is a sun.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
  18. n8263

    Christians think Sharia Law is immoral but impose their own Sharia Law here in America.
    No matter what version, it's immoral to impose your religion by denying others civil rights.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • Michael

      @n8263, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how many times have you pasted this into CNN Belief Blogs in the last couple of weeks?

      May 21, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
  19. Jim

    Anyone that turns their brain off, reads the bible, and can't do any thinking about it is a kook. Right up there with those that read the Koran in the same way: no brain power allowed. If the book says it's so, it's so. Period.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • DB

      Actually, reading the Bible requires a lot of brain power. I mean, there are countless books written on this stuff. On these very forums I read a post from another atheist who derided the Bible for being difficult to absorb. But I think what you're getting at is that people don't read it critically. Again, I would refute that with the plethora of critical scholarship that has been published, but I would also offer a suggestion that many skeptics aren't much different. Example, in "the God Delusion," Richard Dawkins makes a claim that many historians believe that Jesus never existed. Then, in a debate with John Lennox, when pressed about this assertion, Dawkins admitted that he had not found such historical evidence that Jesus did not exist. So, he essentially lied in his book, but how many skeptics read that and walked away thinking that Jesus never existed? For them, if the book says it's so, it's so – period.

      My point is, we aren't the only ones who believe what we read. You should probably use more brain power with your texts, too.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • Observer

      DB,

      Reading the Bible frequently requires suspending logic,science, math, etc. Maybe that makes it tough.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • Anserinyerdumquestion

      You can believe anything you want. You can believe in anything they say in a magazine that they quote as science. Even if you are an avid reader of a medical journal, if you do not know how to QUESTION the way something is presented (i.e. study design, potential bias, power of study, etc.) and are simply taking everything in just because you are reading or learning from a trustworthy SOURCE, then you are just as dumb as the wood that went into making the paper you are holding. Calling all bible believers "brainless" is a pretty brainless way to start an argument.

      May 22, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
  20. Puckles

    Observer:

    Actually, I have read it, and I have not read it out of context as you have. There is nothing wrong with saying women should be silent in the congregation. It is not demeaning to her in any way. Men are God-appointed to take the lead in religious matters. This is they way God has organized things.

    May 21, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • Observer

      Puckles,

      Of course it's not demeaning to be told that because you are a woman, you can't talk in church but that men can. Yeah, sure thing.

      Just like you said. The Bible claims the men are superior and women inferior.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • Jen

      Actually everything is wrong with saying that. And if any woman thinks there is nothing wrong with that then she has a low IQ.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • Observer

      Jen,

      The person with the highest IQ in the world right now is a woman, but don't tell Puckles because he might be under the delusion that he is smarter than her.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • terry

      All that I can respond to on that is OH. PLEASE !!!!!

      May 21, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Bet

      How arrogant can you be? I'm a woman, and I find the idea extremely demeaning. You can't, and won't, speak for me.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bet, we are all sons of God. God created women in this earth age (2nd) to be fruitful with their husband and multiply the earth as the women ensured Jesus' truth was instilled in her children, husband family, friends, communities minds. When we die, our bodies go back to earth and our spirits go back to God who created ALL. In spiritual form we are all back to males.

      P.S. Only chosen children of God's were given the opportunity to be in female form. Female form is the holiest position a child of God's undertakes.

      Amen.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • Bet

      @heavensent

      I've been married to a man for over 30 years and we don't have any children. I guess I'm going to he ll.

      Females are the holiest form, but we have to keep our traps shut in church? Your god makes no sense at all.

      May 24, 2012 at 1:30 am |
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