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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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  1. dud

    God hates sin but not the sinner. When a governmental agency populated by those who are just like us try to legislate in support of a changing moral code (and not just a moral code but a social taboo) those who believe otherwise feel that the government we love is condoning sin against what they consider to be the immutable voice of God. As such they have to make a choice: God or politicians.

    You are free to make that choice as well.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      Yet there are all sorts of people claiming to know what God wants and they are often in disagreement

      May 21, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Robairdo

      The author should also try to be honest, the statement from Jesus about marriage was in reply to a question to him about divorce and not a general statement about marriage. Very deceitful on the authors part. Also books of disciples while part of the new testament are not part of the new covenant and the authorship of some of those books is yet to be verified. Lastly the author doesn't talk at all about the translation from Greek to English. In the original Greek no word directly related to hom ose xuality is used instead words used are to mean "Softness" and "Unusual, NOT Abnormal"

      May 21, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Colin

      "God hates sin but not the sinner." Given that each individual's perception of god is nothing more that a reflection of their own hopes, dreams and prejudices, I assume what you are really saying is "I don't like hom.o$exuals, but don't have the guts to just say so."

      May 21, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • dud

      No, Colin, that is not what I am saying; but that all people sin and that God loves them all in spite of their problems. The only sin that cannot be forgiven is saying that God does not exist.

      You are happily, joyously and proudly an example of this. So actually what Christians believe is that only you are absolutely guaranteed to get a first hand look at the special little theme park that has been made ready for those of such an opinion. The sin of everyone else can be overlooked.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @dud, actually commiting blasphemy against the holy ghost cannot be forgiven either.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @dud

      Then the god you profess is an ass. "You don't believe in me so your gonna be tortured for all eternity." Sorry but that is an immoral stance, and if it turns out you're correct, then god is not a moral being.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • dud

      My 'kind' is completely unknown to you, but you are free to make sweeping judgments based upon your ignorance of your foe.

      I do not know what God thinks or says. I can only go by those words that we believe to be true, right and good, not because they are written in a book, but because the ideas the words espouse set up a resonance in our souls that guarantee us that the thoughts are true, right and good, like caring for someone in trouble, feeding someone who cannot feed themselves or caring for a person too ill to care for themselves. Do these things unselfishly just once, and you will know exactly what I'm talking about.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • dud

      Robairdo – They are the same – the blasphemy that Jesus said is the only sin that cannot be forgiven is that of saying that the Holy Ghost does not exist.

      I tried to make that idea easier for people to hear.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @dud I do those things all the time, but I also don't judge people. Try following Christs Golden Rule.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
    • dud

      Hawaii, I know that this is what many people say in order to try to convince themselves of the logic of their stance. Religion and a belief in God is a much more serious thing than such screaming. I ask you – Do you believe in ESP, ghosts or things that go bump in the night; that there are things that cannot be explained by science and that man is not all-knowing; that maybe, just maybe there are some things that you do not know, no matter how scintillating a view you have of your own logical abilities? One more question: Do you have any humility?

      These are all rhetorical, of course.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @dud you are too small minded and ignorant to understand the true message of Jesus Christ.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @dud

      No I do not believe in any of those things. They have as much evidence supporting them as any god does. I have no problem saying that there are many things I don't know, but that doesn't justify believing in something that has 0 evidence to support it. I call you out on an immoral stance, and you come back with an ad hominem and non sequitor. Good job, you have showed true illogical argumentation.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
  2. Steve

    JOregon,

    He stated that the New Testament "prizes freedom and human dignity", and it doesn't.

    "I said that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, authorized, regulated, and recognized from Genesis to Revelation...Slavery existed then in the earliest ages, and among the chosen people of God; and in Revelation we are told that it shall exist till the end of time shall come. You find it in the Old and New Testaments – in the prophecies, psalms, and the epistles of Paul; you find it recognized, sanctioned everywhere.".
    – Jefferson Davis, President, Confederate States of America

    May 21, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • JOregon

      People can twist the scripture in all sorts of ways to justify what they do.
      You should see how the SBC twists...
      Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
      Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
      ...so they can marry such people in their chapel.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • Andrew

      Steve, Jefferson Davis interpreting Scripture is equivalent to my dog interpreting physics. Bad example.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @Andrew really? Because at the time I am sure it was widely accepted by Southern "Christians"

      May 21, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Andrew

      Robairdo, True, it probably was. But that doesn't mean he was correct. Would it be fair to quote Hitler and say all Germans today probably agree with him? We learn from our past mistakes and other people's failures.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @Andrew when it is written in the bible there really is not denying it.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And the point goes RIGHT over Andy's head. The fact is that people like you (and Jefferson Davis) use the Bible to excuse your hatred of those who don't believe exactly what you do. You agree above that Davis was wrong. So are you.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
  3. Joe

    And this is all great, feel free to follow the Bible. But you can't legislate using the Bible, and force all Americans to follow it. You want to ban gay marriage, which HURTS A LOT OF PEOPLE, to prove your faith? Some faith that is. The Bible forbids gay marriage? Fine, Christians can feel free to not be gay. For the rest of us, leave us alone.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Yes Joe

      Joe, you nailed it, well said.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
  4. Colin

    Does this whole debate strike anybody else as fundamentally absurd? In the 21st Century, in one of the most advanced nations on Earth, we are debating the propriety of ho.mo$exuality based on competing interpretations of 2,000 year old mythology from the other side of the planet.

    To all believers, I invite you to reflect on that fact the next time you ask an atheist, "but why are you so opposed to religion?"

    May 21, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
  5. kent

    What about this. Gays can marry until Jesus returns and says no. Meanwhile, you Christians can divorce, steal, murder, fantasize about the neighbor, and stuff your face like usual until Jesus comes back and says no.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
  6. godlesspanther

    Just the same ol round-about way of saying that the Bible means whatever the fundie wack-tards want it to mean. So they pick and choose whatever they want out of the stupid ancient comic book and pretend that it is somehow meaningful. The fact of the matter is that it's not.

    A book that means anything you want it to mean does not mean anything at all.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
  7. bob

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Christianoppresion.gif

    May 21, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • jungleboo

      Not going to visit a site called christianoppression, thank you. How does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot? You and those like you have mastered in oppressing people for 2000 years. It's over. We are over you. Your god has planned this, but it will only be the end of YOUR world of fables. Kiss it goodbye.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
  8. terry

    It all boils down to believe what you want and stop trying to condem everyone you doesn't agree with you. If a matter does not affect you, then just shut up and leave everyone else alone. Stop trying to get laws about a matter that does not affect you. Learn to mind your own business. Just wish I could follow that as well as I can preach it !!!

    May 21, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Andrew

      If this topic didn't affect everyone, then why are whole states voting on it?

      May 21, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @Andrew becuase it gives them pleasure to oppress minorities.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • Andrew

      Really? Even in California? The "most" liberal state where people still voted against it?

      May 21, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
    • Robairdo

      That was four years ago, today 63% support marriage equality.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
    • Andrew

      Have you ever read the Bible?

      May 21, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Have YOU ever read anything else, Andrew?

      Doesn't seem like it. Anyone who got past "Dick and Jane" would know that marriage requires consenting adults.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @Andrew I read the bible almost every night, Christ NEVER said anything about hom ose xuality. Do you know what the Golden Rule of Christ is?

      May 21, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • Bet

      California is not the most liberal state in the nation. I live in CA. Outside of the major cities, it's got as many bigoted religious fanatics as the rest of the country.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
  9. Reason77

    My neighbors, Ruth and Mary, share love. Their love is patient, their love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Their love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    Mr. Mohler Jr., if I accept your interpretation of the bible then I must conclude that this beautiful example of love is somehow “evil” or “bad” or “sinful.” Sorry, Mr. Mohler Jr., I choose love over your possibly flawed human interpretation of the bible.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • terry

      AMEN !!!

      May 21, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      I have long wondered if these people who claim to be Christians go about calling others sinful to allow them to stay too busy and ignore what Jesus told them to do.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • iRex

      Paul also commands that women be submissive to men, yet Christians don't adhear to that command. Jesus said that a camel was more likely to pass through the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter the kingdom of god, yet these so called Christians oppose any taxes on the wealthy. An on the subject of taxes, Jesus said give unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's, and unto God that which is God's.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Jim

      What seems right to man in the end only leads to destruction.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • jungleboo

      Sounds like it means something, but it doesn't.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Reason77

      @ Jim

      Mr. Mohler Jr. is a man and his interpretation of the bible is what seems right to him, so using your reasoning, we can only conclude that his interpretation in the end only leads to destruction.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • Andrew

      So really what your saying is "love" is what is most important. Kind of like if someone really "loved" their dog and wanted to marry it. They should be able to! Or maybe if I really love my rose bush. I should marry it! What about pedophiles who love children? Should we give them what they want to love?

      May 21, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @Andrew, you small minded ignorant anti-Christs always resort to I wanna marry my pet rock then. Ridiculous! What part of Consenting Adult don't you get.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Andrew

      So wait... you want to limit love to a certain age? What about teenagers who are in love with their pet rock?

      May 21, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
    • Andrew

      Anyone who wants to limit love to a "consenting adult" is such a close-minded discriminating person!

      May 21, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @Andre, nice try to change the subject Consent Adult is for marriage. There certainly are other forms of love to apply to children, pets, friends, etc.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • Bet

      Andrew, you trot out the lamest and most ridiculous argument possible. Two adult humans can consent to an intimate relationship. A dog can't.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Andrew, perhaps you should get off rocks. Or get your rocks off.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What sort of ancient dweeb are you, anyway, Andy? No one younger than 50 has ever heard of "pet rocks".

      May 21, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
  10. Conqui

    As a Christian, I am always amused by people such as Mohler who go into long and complex arguments about social issues (and in his case Mohler is deliberately ignoring the rest of various statements he refers to, in a most unChristian and anti-scholarly manner). Jesus himself everything God wants from us is summarized by 1. Love God and 2. Love your neighbor as yourself. Virtually everything in Christianity must be put into this context, but as we know from our sad history it rarely happens. This article is perfect example of twisting the Bible to fit one's prejudices and ignore what Jesus said is the way to interpret everything.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      It seems ever since the Roman Empire turned Christianity into the state religion, Christianity has not been able to return to its origins. It could be that just too few people are able to live by the original ideals.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • terry

      AMEN !!

      May 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • BobRoss

      That's correct Conqui, but how does one "love God"? Jesus that if you love God you will obey His commandments.
      It's not simply some emotional affirmation of God, but an active love reflected in one's life by obeying the commandments which are laid out in scripture.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Robairdo

      Exactly Christ NEVER said anything about hom ose xuality. The author should also try to be honest, the statement from Jesus about marriage was in reply to a question to him about divorce and not a general statement about marriage. Very deceitful on the authors part. Also books of disciples while part of the new testament are not part of the new covenant and the authorship of some of those books is yet to be verified. Lastly the author doesn't talk at all about the translation from Greek to English. In the original Greek no word directly related to hom ose xuality is used instead words used are to mean "Softness" and "Unusual, NOT Abnormal"

      May 21, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Randy

      God is love. God also has commandments and rules against sin. Gay's like to say that God's love will overpower their sin. Jesus did die for our sin and so we must repent (TURN FROM OUR SIN) and ask for forgiveness through Jesus. Continuing to live in sin and twist what God's word say's to satisfy the way you want to life your life is not repenting so how can one ask for forgiveness. The bible says we must love AND fear God. I find it funny how almost only atheist and non-Christians form support group blogs to articles such as this one. Must make them feel like they are not alone. Very sad.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @Randy, se xuality is not a sin. Christ NEVER said anything about it, just sure did condemn those that would judge others.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
    • Bet

      God is love, but if you don't follow his confusing, contradictory, oppressive book of rules, he'll burn your behind for all eternity.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
  11. yomero

    the only good thing about the bible is that it is che aper than cha rmin

    May 21, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
  12. JennyTX

    An observation: being gay is not a choice, but being a polygamist IS a choice.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • JOregon

      Being an adulterer is a choice, the SBC blesses adultery.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
  13. Natsarim, TX

    GET A LIFE Albert Mohler Jr! You don't know scripture and you are leading others down the wrong path! My issue is with the Acts 10:15 post. That is an excuse that you make! The scripture did NOT ever change for man with man, and it DID NOT CHANGE for what is CLEAN or UNCLEAN!. IF you read further down to Acts 10:28 you will SEE that Peter was a Jew who observed Torah, Elohims principals and instructions. He did not eat pork or shrimp, the illustration was about who Peter would have fellowship with, Gentiles and Jews not food. Because he was Torah observant, Elohim was showing him something that he could relate to because he called being with the Gentiles UNCLEAN. and what Elohim created (ALL MANKIND) IT WAS NOT UNCLEAN! Now what man does makes him unclean that is the point. I don't take issue with unbelievers and the like who post here, but it is the RELIGIOUS wackos whom I take issue with. Go ahead eat what you want, destroy your temple and then at judgement you ask why did you die of a food related illness and Elohim tells you that you ate the unclean. Then you will blame the preacher because that is what "he said"..What about you reading for yourself and asking his Ruach HaKodesh to give the understanding? It's the want-to-be preachers that really burn me up for misleading, and not the ones who don't know the "WAY".

    May 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • jungleboo

      This is exactly what is foretold. "They will turn upon one another and..."

      Christians are going to tear each other limb from limb as they argue the translation points of their book. It was OK when they were each hidden from each other in their little tents, but the gay issue has unleashed them all to go for the attack on us. Except they can't agree with each other, and will be unable to accept anyone else's interpretation. Settle back and enjoy the show.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Natsarim, TX

      No, you misunderstood, if he is going to make a statement, then give the entire story, not just a piece of it and then throw others into confusion.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  14. Steve

    "Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction."

    Liar. The New Testament states that slaves must submit to their masters and pro-slavery Christians would use those verses from the bible to DEFEND slavery.

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

    and directly from Jesus:

    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

    May 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary - thus he never actually paid attention while reading the Bible

      May 21, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • William Pelegrini

      This has nothing to do with slavery...

      no wonder atheists and LGBT people are so confused.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      R. Albert Mohler Jr. brought up the topic of slavery at the beginning then dismissed it.. so is he confused?

      May 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • JOregon

      Those verses do not "command" slavery.
      Slavery was a part of society.
      There were people that were believers AND slaves. These verses are telling those people how to behave.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • momoya

      Well, homersecksuality is part of our culture, but really, how hard would have been to make just one little commandment, "Don't own or sell people.". Seems pretty fvcking obvious for the most moral being in the world, don't you thnk?

      May 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • Observer

      William Pelegrini,

      This DOES have to do with slavery and EVERYTHING else in the Bible.

      Don't tell us that something is true "because the Bible says so" and then NOT BELIEVE everything in it.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • JOregon

      @momoya I would agree that it would have been nice to put such a command in, but the point of the bible was not to set rules for the world.
      On the Gay issue, every place the bible mentions it as a sin it is directed at the body of believers ONLY. Not the secular world.
      There is a reason for that but this format isn't the best for discussing the reasoning.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @JOregon, Christ NEVER said anything about hom ose xuality and the law of Moses which only ever applied to Jews died with him on the Cross. He gave us a new covenant which again states nothing about hom ose xuality.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • JOregon

      @Robairdo
      I didn't say he did.
      Paul addresses the CHURCH at Corinth on the issue. They were not of the secular world they were the body of believers.
      Paul also addresses the issue in Romans.
      There he sets who he is talking to:
      Romans 1:21 Because that, -when they knew God-, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
      The only people that "knew" God were the Jews (representing the body of believers).
      At no time are Christians told to run around pointing their fingers at those in the secular world.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @JOregon, you do realize the bible wasn't written in English and the greek word actually used in Corinthians is "Softness" and in Romans it is "Unusual not Abnormal". Also you do realize that neither off those are part of Christs new covenant? If it was so important to Christ why didn't he address it himself? He sure did address alot of things like hypocrisy, divorce, judgemental hypocrites and the like.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
    • JOregon

      @Robairdo
      You can't take one word out of an entire passage and claim to have a better understanding because you have found a different way to translate that word.
      I'm not anti gay. The reasons for these verses would require a different format that CNN allows.
      It relates to the creation man BEFORE the fall, and how man will be when he is given a new body after the resurrection.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @JOregon, Christ was asked about eternal life and he gave a very simple list to achieve it. Do you know what list is?

      May 21, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
    • JOregon

      Yes, and it seems most Christians today don't know how to love.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
  15. Surthurfurd

    Why do Christians get so silent when I post what is supposed to be quotes from Jesus about peace?

    May 21, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Observer

      Most Christians are far more interested in preaching the Bible than in answering logical questions about it.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • momoya

      The one thing I've noticed about christards, is they can never counter a reasonable point.. They instead resort to telling you you'll go to hell or you don't get god's mysterious ways as they are privileged to see them or some such stupid drivel.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • J. Medford

      Because we know we would be wasting our time with people like you who like to throw stones from the bushes but run from a real confrontation.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • momoya

      J. Medford

      I will debate you any time you wish and I will smash your arguments so easily you wouldn't know what happened.. Your go.. Now.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • J. Medford

      momoya: where does the universe end?

      May 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • momoya

      Nobody knows..

      Why wouldn't a "good" god make his nature and will as obvious as gravity, or at least math or chemistry, that all believers of all gods MUST use in the same way?

      May 21, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • Jen

      Not knowing things about the universe (yet anyway) does not give license to make things up as you go along. Many things have already been disproven. Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, etc.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • J. Medford

      momoya: nobody knows is the correct answer. as finite creatures we cannot understand an eternal God. it is a shame when people on either side – Christians and atheists/agnostics/other faith traditions – claim to know otherwise. we're all trying to figure it out, aren't we?

      May 21, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • momoya

      Why would you assume any answer then?

      Atheism is disbelief in any gods described as being too unreasonable to believe.. If we don't know whether or not unicorns exist anywhere in the universe, we do the smart thing and assume that they don't exist.. Same deal for your god.. There's no proof whatsoever for any gods, so the atheist position (disbelief in any of them) is the most logical.. You use this identical logic in every part of your thinking except for your religious beliefs.. Why?

      May 21, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • Kmart

      What is your ?

      May 21, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • momoya

      J. Medford

      Are you going to answer my one question? I have answered two of yours adroitly.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • momoya

      Observers of this conversation will note how prescient was my opening response to Surthurfurd..

      "The non-christian doesn't get god's mysterious ways"

      And what did Medford say just a minute ago? "as finite creatures we cannot understand an eternal God"

      Right out of the gate.. The stupid argument that god is beyond our understanding so therefore we should "understand" like the christians "understand" except god is beyond our understanding.. See how that works.. Every time, folks..

      May 21, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
  16. AesopsRetreat Dot Com

    $10 bux says you fear to write (with Headline) about the Koran..... 🙂

    May 21, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
  17. JennyTX

    Is there any evidence that non-believers go to hell for eternity? Of course not. What a quaint little scare tactic.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
  18. Oneforall777

    Annie. That is not true. Unfortunately another atheist, Madalyn Murray O'Hair, who was a zealous atheist interfered with EVERYBODY'S lives. Her Murray v. Curlett lawsuit led the Supreme Court to rule to end official Bible-reading in American public schools in 1963. Older people today regret deeply the decision not to oppose her back then, they were all 'doing their own thing' and ignoring future consequences. What she did and what the Supreme Court ruled on was an abomination to our society, our morality, or children and our Country. This Country, may I remind you, was founded on Christian principles, by Christians. Ms. Ohair left no one alone, she interfered and meddled in all our lives. Well we live with the consequences. Children who are disrespectful, greed, lying, cheating, divorces, on and on. You appear to live only by YOUR rules and no one else matters. I live by a higher power and although I cannot respect your position, I do not Judge you, only please do not lie to us and say that Aetheists to do not interfere.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • momoya

      Atheists can be involved as much as any other citizen can be involved.. We're not second class citizens just because we're smarter than you christards.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      In 1995 she was kidnapped and murdered, along with her son Jon Murray and granddaughter Robin Murray O'Hair, by former American Atheist office manager David Roland Waters.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • JOregon

      The USA is a SECULAR nation from it's founding.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • Bet

      This country was not founded on christian principles. That is a lie. The founding fathers were very clear that no church should be given priority over another. They founded a secular government.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
  19. bob

    what a joke that a huge company like cnn can indirectly slam catholics. way to parlay the gay marriage issue into the article. two birds with one stone! you dont have the balls to publish something against muslims or your own jewish religion. figures 9 out of 10 people agree with this article. in your own world you think being gay and being married then having the right to adopt kids is normal. your on another planet and the majority of americans still think marriage is for a man and women. your fake polls would have weak minded people think different. i could care less if two gays want to get married, but to adopt children? get serious. that kids odds are stacked against him from the word go. anyone who cant see that is on drugs.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • momoya

      You sir, are a disgusting bigot and a colossal ignoramus.. FVCK OFF

      May 21, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • bob

      thats your only rebuttal call everyone who doesnt agree with your stance a bigot or racist. does it make you feel better?

      May 21, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Jen

      I'm personally more concerned about uneducated people breeding. Can you get through one post properly without grade one spelling mistakes? 'you're' on another planet and you spelled allowed aloud before. Yikes. I hope you go back to finish grade school before having kids.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • momoya

      I could out debate you in a coma, but I don't discuss topics politely with a person who's already proved themselves an ignroant and arrogant bigot as you have.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I'd pay close attention to Jude 7:7.

      Amen.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Typed too fast. Jude 1:7

      May 21, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • momoya

      Your myth book's opinions are irrelevant..

      May 21, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      momoya, again, you have it backwards. Jesus' wisdom is the only truth that counts. Man doesn't even come close.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  20. letzelfarm

    These are the kinds of stories I find interesting. Other than philosophically speaking, nobody has been able to show evidence that this topic is damaging our culture and warrants greater focus. The Commandment 'Thall Shall Not Kill' is basically being ignored by these Christian writers, but we are killing each other at an alarming rate, and the rate of killing increases daily – what further evidence do they need to put that subject the front burner? Perhaps if these groups would concentrate on sins that are actually hurting our society then maybe the word 'belief' would have a meaningful meaning. However, the topic of this story has more political significance which is why its more worthy than the actual mass killing going on . . .

    May 21, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • Surthurfurd

      That is too rational.. Not to mention the fact that the US almost worships Mammon.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Michael

      @Surthurfurd, yes, despite having two commandments against coveting*, there's an awful lot of coveting going on in this society, and by good Christians too! And how exactly is "prosperity preaching" not about coveting? "God wants you to be rich?" Hmm, OK, where do "the riches" come from? "Thy neighbors" one thinks.

      * And none about g-a-y marriage.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Michael, rich means richness in friendship, richness in love, richness in health, richness in happiness, richness in obtaining wisdom from our Lord, etc. etc. etc.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Bet

      "Michael, rich means richness in friendship, richness in love, richness in health, richness in happiness, richness in obtaining wisdom from our Lord, etc. etc. etc"

      Except if you're a minister. Then it's money, money, money.

      May 22, 2012 at 1:09 am |
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