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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Gay marriage • Opinion

soundoff (7,995 Responses)
  1. Matt

    "White people greed runs a world in need," Barack Hussein Obama. Sadly not the first racist president this country has ever had.

    May 22, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Observer

      Matt,

      Did you think that was cute when you MADE IT UP?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      Matt's frontal lobe fell out of his head. he replaced it with sponge cake.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Eh, sponge cake might be an improvement.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • Matt

      It's in his book!!! Hahahahaha. You don't even know your own candidates background. Ignorance!

      May 22, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      you missed the point. again.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:25 am |
    • thedpr

      He was quoting a pastor's sermon...

      May 22, 2012 at 12:33 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      Matt? nothing? you quoted Obama as saying it, but he was quoting someone else in his book. you're an idiot.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:42 am |
  2. Michael S

    "The most pressing issue of our times?" Not War, Not Poverty, Not Oppression -Oh no , NO! All a "Good Christian" needs to concern itself with is what happens in somebody else's bed. I say lets bring back throwing Christians to the Wild Animals, they have no redeeming social values.

    May 22, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • Matt

      Written like a true "tolerant liberal"

      May 22, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      ...Michael S? Please tell me you're not the same Michael S I'm on-off associates with. @_@ Because that is the most vicious thing I've read this past week.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • Wha

      What do you expect when people like you keep trying to show us on TV that you like to kiss and hop into bed with the opposite s.ex. Did you ever stop to think that your own actions cause the backlash?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • Wha

      bwahahaha...ok...make that same s.ex. Heck make that too much s.ex on TV. Period.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      pretty sure it's your religious intolerance that's to blame.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • Wha

      Pretty sure its your intolerance of religion that's to blame. 😉

      May 22, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • In NC

      He said "moral issue". When quoting, do it correctly or is lessens your point.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:34 am |
  3. Matt

    A lot of ignorant people on this forum. They quote one passage from the old testament that justifies violence but fail to mention what Jesus would later teach. Jesus never killed anyone or condoned killing someone one. The quotes I see take an Old Testament phrase out of context or fail to mention the later correction that Jesus would bring all to try to belittle the Christian faith. It shows a lack of understanding Christianity.

    May 22, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      jesus told slaves to obey their masters if they want any chance to get into heaven.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • Andrew

      I'm sorry but didn't Jesus also not explicitly state he didn't come to undo the laws of the OT?

      ... Better yet, why should we care? Why should morality be based off Christianity? Why not have a morality based on harm? That is, "if something directly does harm to others, it is immoral"? That gets rid of all of this weird 'victimless crimes are sins' nonsense to come from you Christians. I'll never understand how two guys doing each other impacts you.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • Robairdo

      Jesus also NEVER said anything about hom ose xuality.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • Matt

      Booty the biblical ignorance you have is astounding. You have no idea the true meaning of that passage. He was refering to the jews being under roman occupation and Jesus did not approve of a violent rebellion. The jews would later try that and it turned out to be horrible for them.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • howard Dao

      Yes. The author started the trend of quoting certain messages of the bible.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      you are ridiculous. once again, you prove chrisitans need to make excuses for the bible. i've read the bible from cover to cover. anytime non-believers point out vile passages in the bible, chrisitans make excuses.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • Matt

      Booty – If you have read the Bible front to back and make such strange statements then the problem might be reading comprehension.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      i doubt you've read the bible. you've gone to church and had cherry picked passages read to you, sure. but try reading it for yourself. and don't close your eyes on the bad parts.

      i remember reading that all non-virgin brides must be stoned to death. that means 98% of females in this country should be killed. the bible is disgusting. stop throwing out the lame "you just don't understand gawd" cr@p. it makes you look even less educated than you are.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:23 am |
    • Robairdo

      Matt, I have read the bible through and through and Booty is right.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:28 am |
  4. buckybadger

    One day humans will look back and just snicker at the beliefs so many want to use to hold other people down. Make no mistake the Christians will be viewed just like how the Ancient Roman beliefs and gods are. As for the bible if you live in a culture that was highly effected by Christianity you should read it. Just gives you great insight to why we as humans think certain things and you can then also laugh at so many people who say they are Christians but don't have a clue of what they talk about.

    May 22, 2012 at 12:08 am |
  5. Quantumsurfer

    In my opinion, it is what the bible says, so if you believe, you take it as the truth. I think from a biological point of view
    it is unnatural for two organisms to be married if they cannot reproduce, as simple as that.

    May 22, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • Gregg

      ... Such as two elderly couples? Or a couple in which one or both are infertile?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • buckybadger

      There is nothing biological about marriage. Nothing unnatural about two people who love each other to want to help and support each other in this journey in life. What I think is unnatural is that you want to prevent it just because of your own personal prejudices.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      the bible says the earth is flat. believe it?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • justinstl

      Jesus knew nothing of the plans to write a bible....he was dead hundreds of years before christianity was started.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Bry S

      So that's why we created divorce! Vasectomies. We should make new laws that ban sterile women from marrying as well!

      May 22, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • buckybadger

      And his name was Horas.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • Bry S

      And if they try – let them forever burn in hell!

      May 22, 2012 at 12:14 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      well said, bucky.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • brzl frbr

      Biologically, it makes no sense to be married to reproduce when 99.9999999999999999999999% of all organisms reproduce without marriage.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • CA Liberal

      Marriage isn't really about reproduction. People get married and never reproduce. Either because they can't or because they choose not to. People reproduce all the time without being married. Especially teenagers. Reproduction is biological. Marriage is a social and legal arrangement.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:19 am |
  6. surfdog

    finally, a well written , non-biased, bible based editorial piece on CNN. Refreshing in contrast to the usual LZ Granderson garbage.

    May 22, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Robairdo

      The author is way off in his facts and is clearly biased.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • Conqui

      @Robairdo: Right on! Mohler misquotes Jesus about marriage by leaving out the whole second half, where Jesus says explicitly that what he said about marriage between a man and a woman doesn't apply to "born eunuchs". These persons are described in rabbinical writings, early Christian writings, and Roman law the same way we talk about gXys today, no physical interest in women, only with men. And Jesus said what he said about a man and a woman being married or divorced doesn't apply to these "eunuchs from birth". Can't get any more plain than Jesus himself.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:17 am |
    • Robairdo

      He also leaves out the face that this was in response to a question to Jesus about divorce and the response was his justification for being against divorce. No need to related to same se x marriage as it didn't exist at the time.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:35 am |
  7. Mbane

    Evangelicals need to educate themselves. These people call themselves Christians but they are not. They don't act like it, talk like it or even practice it – and they vote republican – a party whose views completely contradict Christianity.

    May 22, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Conqui

      You had better watch out and stop talking like that!!! You're going to cause Mohler and other thumper distortionists to have heart attacks and strokes by not accepting their self-declared knowledge about the only truth in the universe, judged by them.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:20 am |
  8. thedpr

    You're a Christian teacher, giving moral direction from an ancient collection of related (but separate) books that clearly put the responsibility for evil's existence on God's will (i.e. he makes bad things happen) and also clearly puts the responsibility for evil's existence on mankind (wha?). Then you, as a teacher, get up on your soapbox and tell people that the indestructible souls of sinners will be punished for eternity in a fiery hell and that you must save them by getting them to believe whatever you say... all while your gospels say that god puts an end to the soul in hell fire.... literally, destroys the soul... not keeping it alive to punish it... ending it... never mind that it's completely the opposite of love to torture someone, let alone to do it for eternity. And of course, there's the matter of Jesus saying he's going to fulfill all scripture at one point, and then saying he's going to do the exact opposite of something that was prophesied about the Messiah at another point.

    So from that mind set you get up and defend your position as one of love, when what you're actually telling people is "god hates what you're doing, and he's going to punish you for eternity because he loves you, but can't do anything but torment you if you do these things that he hates because he's somehow miraculously omnipotently impotent, and we know it's hard to hear, but we have to tell you this because we love you, and he's so loving and forgiving and merciful that he'll forgive all your sins if you just believe us!"

    Do you think you're making things better?

    May 22, 2012 at 12:04 am |
  9. Bry S

    When is the new new testament coming out already?

    May 21, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • LOL @ Atheism

      As soon as you actually crack open the old, old testaments.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • howard Dao

      It may be out after Jan 2013 as the Book of Mormons 🙂

      May 22, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • Observer

      Bry S,

      Which version?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • Bry S

      To LOL... I did many years in Sunday school.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • Bry S

      To Obsserver! You're right! Pass the telephone is getting hard to read 10000 years after.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:08 am |
  10. Dorothy

    So let's get this correct: The religious right agenda: (1) control women's reproductive rights (2) keep ministers out of jail for se x ual misconduct (3) Protect our money from lawsuits and taxes.
    The Gay agenda: (1) Legally recognized marriages to live in committed monogamous relationship (2) Family so that children (adopted and biological) can live in a stable family with two legally recognized parents. (3) Service to Country – through military service.
    And we're supposed to believe God smiles on the "religious right" and frowns ups "gays." That is one messed up God.

    May 21, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Matt

      Since you are stereotyping the religious right does that make the left the gay, abortion, communist party?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • Robairdo

      @Matt no just a simple honest answer. Dorothy is right.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • LOL @ Atheism

      You're off a bit...

      (1) protect women and unborn children out of respect for life
      (2) offer help and condolence to victims and forgiveness and mercy to the truly repentant
      (3) protect offerings for use in charity (something few liberals engage in according to statistics)

      With respect to "gay" agenda:
      (1) Treat like any other form of sin and immorality: If put to a public vote, vote immorality down.
      (2) Preserve marriage as between one man and one woman and promote statistics that show a healthy family has one mother and one father.
      (3) Hate the sin, love the sinner. There's nothing wrong with liking or caring about someone but strongly disagreeing with their behavior.

      Christianity is great when it isn't being slandered by malcontents.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • Dorothy

      I would say that I am no more stereotyping than the religious right when they claim gays are an abom i nation. Do you think God cares what a gay does with his tally wacker so long as he lives a loving, gentle, and generous life?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Great for you, maybe, you dolt. Not for others whose rights you trample for your sky-fairy.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • justinstl

      Matt you say that like theres somthing wrong with communism....Jesus would have been for communism and 100% against capitalism.....in fact thats why they killed him....for pushing the capitalistic money lenders out of the temple!

      May 22, 2012 at 12:15 am |
    • Dorothy

      LOL...you can sugar coat it any way you want......but the religious right are a scandalous group of individuals.....and when you look back at them in history you see a pattern......(1) Excommunication of Galileo (2) The crusades (3) Burning of "witches" (4) Blocking and condemning the suffragette movement (4) Condoning slavery (5) Preventing inter-racial marriage.......The list is way too long.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:17 am |
    • LOL @ Atheism

      You really wanna play that game? More people have been killed in this century by atheists than have been killed by so-called Christians in all of history. You like to proclaim that you don't try to impose your beliefs, but we see your true motives peeking out from under your skivvies. Atheists forced people into atheism, and we see how well that has worked out for those countries. Atheism is stupid and pointless.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:25 am |
    • Dorothy

      First of all, I am not an atheist. I very much believe in God. But zealots – christian, muslim, or otherwise – have throughout history been poison to God. You who tout the Bible and try to condemn gays are nothing more than a modern day version of the pharisees. Your Jesus would spit you out of his mouth.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:34 am |
  11. DJL

    Hmmm, let's enforce the parts of the bible that don't affect us (including forcing non-believers to abide by them, even though we would never let them enforce their beliefs on us) and then not enforce the parts that do. Yeah, that's not hypocritical at all, is it? /sarcasm

    May 21, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
  12. Reality

    Dear RM Jr.,

    ONLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS:

    Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    From: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1855948_1861760_1862212,00.html#ixzz0jg0lEyZj

    “Facing calls to curb child se-x abuse within its churches, in June the Southern Baptist Convention — the largest U.S. religious body after the Catholic Church — urged local hiring committees to conduct federal background checks but rejected a proposal to create a central database of staff and clergy who have been either convicted of or indicted on charges of molesting minors. The SBC decided against such a database in part because its principle of local autonomy means it cannot compel individual churches to report any information. And while the headlines regarding churches and pedophilia remain largely focused on Catholic parishes, the lack of hierarchical structure and systematized record-keeping in most Protestant churches makes it harder not only for church leaders to impose standards, but for interested parties to track allegations of abuse."

    Bottom line Mr. Mohler, clean up your own theology and current Baptist issues with pedophilia before commenting on morals.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    May 21, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • LOL @ Atheism

      Oh, boy, here comes one of the worst proselytizing atheist spammers of all time! Bring it on, bubba bear! Common' give us more, you know we want it. You know you're changing the world one ascii character at a time!

      May 21, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Matt

      Jesus wasn't mentioned once in any of that. The article is talking about The Bible not the Catholic Church.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:00 am |
  13. Matt

    Not eating shellfish was good advice. Shellfish can make people sick & if not prepared right can cause insanity, paralysis and sometimes in a few hours death. Shellfish eat bacteria. Other jewish rules had to do with eating non-grazing animals that back then also carried parasites.

    May 21, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      how about telling christians to stone non-virgin brides to death? also good advice?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:03 am |
  14. howard Dao

    If gays are such an abomination why hasn't the Almighty wiped them off the earth since at least 10000 years now ? I must conclude that the Almighty must be busy figuring how to rid the earth of the these FIRST: religious extremists, religious hypocrites, religious pedophiles, religious misogynists, lying war mongering politicians, greedy fat wall street bankers.

    May 21, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • sigh

      He already tried with Jesus. Guess the message didn't stick to a lot of his followers, though.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • Ambient Malice

      Because God is merciful. He doesn't wipe out his enemies without giving them a chance to repent.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      lol. god is so merciful, he created a place called Hell where people that don't follow his tyrannical laws must be tortured for all eternity. yes, truly a loving god.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Observer

      Ambient Malice,

      Not exactly. Reread about the Flood and all the children and babies drowned.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:05 am |
  15. b4bigbang

    Where is Tum Tum the Pimpled Bum?

    May 21, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • LOL @ Atheism

      Man, wish I'd come up with that one. He's off contemplating his awesome intelligence.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Yeah, you know i wouldn't have thought of Tum's new honorary alias if "it" hadn't been in the practice of regularly, habitually twisting other posters' monikers.
      Good 4 the goose is good 4 the gander eh?

      May 21, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Also, Tum swears that it is a woman in her mid '50s, except another poster told me that also claimed to be a woman in her mid '60s in another post.
      Supposedly married to a man too.
      Problem with that is the level of vulgarity Tum routinely spews forth.
      Best example so far: Tum writing about someone's "c a mel-to e". My God, the only older, married woman that would write such locker-room s mut would have to be suffering from dementia!

      May 22, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Poor little bigfart. You little innocent; it must be such a shock to your tiny little brain that women aren't little, weak, subservient, girls who can't wait to climb all over that bean-pole you call a p3nis.

      Cracks me up that you can be so easily shocked. What a little wimp.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:17 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And you're having a fainting spell because of the phrase "camel-toe"?

      Do you often need smelling salts, Aunt Pittypat?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • LOL @ Atheism

      Now that's what bein' an atheist is all about folks. Take a good look at Tom Boy. It's what he/she/it wants. Shock and awe, baby, shock and awe...not a shred of decency.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:28 am |
    • Bet

      @ tom

      Aunt Pittypat, LOL!

      May 22, 2012 at 2:48 am |
  16. Juanito

    Personally, I thought this would've been an article about 'buffet' Christians: taking only what one likes or is comfortable with in the BIble, and leaving the rest.

    As a Believer, I accept His Word in it's entirety. I'm apologizing in advance to anyone who replies in earnest as I won't be able to reply as it's rather late.

    The question I have are to those who are not believers of Christ, and it's taken from the 90's song: What If God Was One of Us:

    "And would you want to see (God's face)
    If seeing meant that
    you would have to believe
    in things like heaven and in Jesus and the saints
    and all the prophets"?

    I can't ask for specifically taylored answers, but the least sarcastic would be appreciated!

    God Bless you all. In His Love, Juanito

    May 21, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • howard Dao

      I am on a religious diet. Can I have just only 2 items from the religious buffet ?
      1) Love Others as thyself
      2) don'T DO to others as you wouldn't to yourself.
      No desserts for me. Thanks.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
    • LOL @ Atheism

      Atheists' golden rule: Do to others as they do to you. Give 'em ...

      May 21, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • Observer

      Believer's Golden Rule:

      The Golden Rule does not apply to you.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • Robairdo

      @observer, what qualifies you to make that judgement?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • Gregg

      Of course, if the True God happens to be Allah, or Vishnu, or Osiris, or Zeus, then believing and worshiping in any of the others wouldn't exactly work in getting to heaven, paradise, mount Olympus, etc.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • Gregg

      Or if the True God happened to be the Christian god/Jesus, etc, but you practiced the "wrong" form of Christianity, whichever those are.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:18 am |
  17. Observer

    It's not just picking and choosing verses that Christians do, many also PRETEND that the Bible says things it doesn't.

    The Bible NEVER mentions divorce.

    The Bible NEVER condemns child molesters, but it does instruct us as one of the ten most important commands to not to make craven images of an invisible being no one has ever seen. So much for priorities.

    If you are going to pick and choose, choose the Golden Rule for a change.

    May 21, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Ambient Malice

      Incorrect. Jesus mentioned divorce.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • sigh

      Jesus mentioned and condemned divorce ALL THE TIME. Probably mostly to spite those who advocated throwing stones at adulterers (believe it or not He wasn't a fan of harsh punishment and persecution!), but a point nonetheless.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • Robairdo

      Christ talked a lot about divorce, but NEVER about hom ose xuality.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • justinstl

      Jesus did not mention divorce....there was no such thing in that day when you were done with your wife you simply killed her.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:18 am |
  18. justinstl

    nothing matters period...it certainly will not matter 100 years from now when no one will care about your life today.......Whats the point....You people actually think that man is the right one or the dominant being on earth. Man is not anything but the top destroyer of the earth. the true dominant species of this planet are simple bacteria..man is a complex disease.

    May 21, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
  19. abcontador

    It is time to attack Christian's with just as much vigor as they attack anyone who doesn't follow their absurd ideas. I am not gay, but I will stand shoulder to shoulder with them to hammer the chrisitans into the ground (through legislation and other legal means of course)

    May 21, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
    • Armageddon

      Here it comes folks, the end battle.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Juanito

      I received a reply from a non-believer a while ago who stated that 'christians were never persecuted'.

      Abcontador, may I use your post to retort should persecuting Christians today ever come up?

      May 21, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
    • abcontador

      Juanito, it's not persecution, it's self defense.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • sigh

      Here's a more reasonable idea – get the Christians not interested in persecuting others to get loud and "take over". (of course they're introverted by nature so this is a bit difficult, and don't I know it)

      May 22, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • Robairdo

      @sigh there are many liberal Christians including myself doing just that.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • Juanito

      abcontador, your reply is exactly what Hitler said about the Jews, and what most other despots said about other 'threats'.

      The 'imminant danger' the jews posed to Germany and the Aryan race warranted legalizing the confiscation of jewish businesses, personal property and forced removal and eventual extermination of the jews and other 'enemies of the state'.

      You propose and support to 'pound the Christians into the ground(through legislation and other legal means, that is)'.

      Good thing you prefer your persecution to be legalized. My fellow Christians and I wouldn't want you break any laws....

      May 22, 2012 at 12:33 am |
  20. DeeCee1000

    This type of bigotry and hatred coming some certain "pastors" is a sign of desperation. They are running scared that so many prominent individuals and organizations are now supporting gay rights and marriage equality. They're running scared.

    May 21, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
    • Brandon Brown

      Explain to me how wanting to save someone from an eternity of pain and suffering AND to see them have a higher level of happiness is "hatred".

      May 21, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      christianity is going away. slowly but surely. it'll be a great day when christianity joins the other mythologies of this world and is no longer taken seriously.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
    • Wha

      DeeCee is one of the more confused atheists. He often mixes up love and hate...easy thing to do, that. You must excuse him.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
    • Robairdo

      @Brandon, Christ was asked straight what you need to do for eternal life and he gave a very straight forward list. Recite that list if you know it?

      May 21, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • bren222

      Bootyfunk

      I am sorry to disappoint you but Christianity can't go away .... people have been trying to kill it for two thousand years now, but it can't be killed just like Christ couldn't ... oh, i think there are over two billion Christians around the world that would also disgree about it dying

      May 21, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      you hear priests/ministers/pastors crying about low church attendance all the time. atheism is the fastest growing belief system in america. and there are lots more than the polls show - a lot of atheists are still closeted because of the religious bigotry they'd have to deal with if they came out as non-believers. christian dogma is updated every few years (which seems strange, since it's supposedly the 'perfect' word of god) to fit modern views.

      it will be shown that christianity is on the wrong side of history... yet again.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Bren, everything that lives eventually dies. . .religions are not exception. In fact, if you care to use your brain for a change, you can do the research and find out that there have been MANY gods and religions. You will also find that there were other "gods" before your mythical "Jesus" was conceived who had lives very very similar to "Jesus". There was even another god who was born of a virgin, walled on water, turned water into wine, cured the sick, cast out demons, raised the dead, was killed and resurrected on the third day, ascended into heaven, descended into hell. . . on and on. Your Jesus is a fake in other words.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • bren222

      Christ loves you both and I am confident he will free you at some point.

      Your right, our bodies die but Christ defeated death, so none of us wil die eternally ... he did this for you becasue he loves you

      May 22, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • bren222

      Booty

      historically and even now around the world, Christianity actaully grows when facing persecution – although not pleasent, i hope for persecution in north america!

      May 22, 2012 at 12:07 am |
    • abcontador

      Agreed about it going away - it is a fact that the more educated countries in Europe are becoming less and less religious. It probably has a lot to do with education. I think the first strike we need to make against the church is to start taxing them heavily. Then, the public needs to band together (probably best through social media) to smother any christian attempt to influence politics or law.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • bren222

      not sure i'd brag about 'educated countries' ... do you know that abuse rates are actaully on the rise in north america ... the enlightened and evolving culture ... also, last time i heard the, educated from harvard, president claims to be christian

      May 22, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Juanito

      actually, one of the largest group of growing Christians today is in China.

      Anyone not agreeing with communists there are persecuted, far more than anyone in the US can ever claim.

      The Christians there are not given very much in the physical sense, but they are accepting Christ as their Savior, and spreading the Gospel.

      And they risk persecution, and maybe even death.

      The Pharasees failed, the Romans failed, and the Chinease will fail as well.

      God's Light will not be extinguished by any government, person or thing.

      The Prince of Peace reigns! In His Love, Juanito

      May 22, 2012 at 12:17 am |
    • bren222

      Amen!

      May 22, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • Juanito

      Absolutely, Brenn!

      Even after 2000 years, His Light is growing brighter in the darkest places. He offered to save us from the sin that has kept us distant from God, and He is being accepted by so many, and yet being rejected by so many as well.

      May the Lord Jesus Christ bless you all! In His Love, Juanito

      May 22, 2012 at 12:44 am |
    • Bet

      "Explain to me how wanting to save someone from an eternity of pain and suffering AND to see them have a higher level of happiness is "hatred"."

      How arrogant can you be? Who put you in charge of deciding who is happy and who isn't, and what "level of happiness" anyone has? Did your pretend god give you some special mind reading powers?

      The only pain and suffering in my life is when some bigot tries to shove his book of lies, his god of violence and threats of eternal fire and brimstone down my throat.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:20 am |
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