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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Gay marriage • Opinion

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  1. Mark from Middle River

    I stand my ground on this subject however in stating gays should not be allowed to marry nor should their kind be allowed to vote due to their immoral and desp.icable, deviant se.xual behavior.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:46 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Wow. Thanks for the heads up. Yet another reason why I kicked christianity to the curb a long time ago.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:01 am |
    • Humanist11

      So because of a genetic difference you think we should withhold 1,100 federal benefits from hard working, productive people?

      May 22, 2012 at 4:03 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      ....and I've got a couple heroes calling ME bitter. See how that works?

      "You're an atheist? YOU ARE BITTER."

      "Oh, you're a christian? You must be fun-loving and full of joy and the holy spirit and it's GREAT that you hate gays! Praise the Jesus!"

      May 22, 2012 at 4:11 am |
    • Frank Fielder

      ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. That means you and I as well as gays. Jesus also told us not to judge one another. One reason for He said this is because we are incapable of fair judgment because of our own likes, dislikes etc. So if two people want to get married, who are YOU, a sinner, to tell them they can't just because the Bible says their behaviour is sinfull? YOUR behaviour is sinful, as is mine, and we are allowed to marry, so why not just let them alone and let God judge their marriage and behaviour, as he will judge yours, and mine.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:18 am |
    • North Guy

      Skip....time for bed dude – you spewing your bitterness all over everyone and losing focus.....

      May 22, 2012 at 4:23 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      So is this the real Mark or an imposter?

      May 22, 2012 at 4:25 am |
    • sam stone

      mark: they are citizens and due equal protection. now, pull the bible out of your rectum

      May 22, 2012 at 5:02 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Sure North Guy. But it's cool if the guy that thinks gays shouldn't be allowed civil rights can stick around, right? Typical christian. Go fuck yourself : )

      May 22, 2012 at 5:06 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      sigh .... imposter. Ecch, my bed time anyway.

      Oh yeah .. when I break up words I use " ' " marks. Such as:

      "we see that in some country's ar'senal,"

      CNN will not give the Belief Blog users the same ability to register and login to post, so we will see more of this. In some ways I guess I should be honored.

      Bed Time folks. Have fun.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:06 am |
    • YeahRight

      "marry nor should their kind be allowed to vote due to their immoral and desp.icable, deviant se.xual behavior."

      You are such a TROLL. The experts have proven you wrong. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      May 22, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Bet

      You do know that hetero couples also engage in what you call de vi ant behavior, don't you? Shall we take away their civil rights too?

      May 22, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
  2. Spangler

    The word 'abomination' is used 65 times in the OT and 2 times in the NT. The only named abomination in the NT is Luke 16:15 where Jesus calls the love of money an abomination. Many more speeches need to be given about this one.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:45 am |
  3. Colin

    A few questions should help shed light on the relationship between religion and rational thought.

    The completely absurd theory that all 7,000,000,000 human beings are simultaneously being supervised 24 hours a day, every day of their lives by an immortal, invisible being for the purposes of reward or punishment in the “afterlife” comes from the field of:

    (a) Astronomy;

    (b) Medicine;

    (c) Economics; or

    (d) Christianity

    You are about 70% likely to believe the entire Universe began less than 10,000 years ago with only one man, one woman and a talking serpent if you are a:

    (a) historian;

    (b) geologist;

    (c) NASA astronomer; or

    (d) Christian

    I have convinced myself that gay $ex is a choice and not genetic, but then have no explanation as to why only gay people have ho.mo$exual urges. I am

    (a) A gifted psychologist

    (b) A well respected geneticist

    (c) A highly educated sociologist

    (d) A Christian with the remarkable ability to ignore inconvenient facts.

    If I honestly believe that, when I think silent thoughts like, “please god, help me pass my exam tomorrow,” some invisible being is reading my mind and will intervene and alter what would otherwise be the course of history in small ways to help me, I am

    (a) a delusional schizophrenic;

    (b) a naïve child, too young to know that that is silly

    (c) an ignorant farmer from Sudan who never had the benefit of even a fifth grade education; or

    (d) your average Christian

    Millions and millions of Catholics believe that bread and wine turns into the actual flesh and blood of a dead Jew from 2,000 years ago because:

    (a) there are obvious visible changes in the condiments after the Catholic priest does his hocus pocus;

    (b) tests have confirmed a divine presence in the bread and wine;

    (c) now and then their god shows up and confirms this story; or

    (d) their religious convictions tell them to blindly accept this completely fvcking absurd nonsense.

    I believe that an all powerful being, capable of creating the entire cosmos watches me have $ex to make sure I don't do anything "naughty". I am

    (a) A victim of child molestation

    (b) A r.ape victim trying to recover

    (c) A mental patient with paranoid delusions

    (d) A Christian

    The only discipline known to often cause people to kill others they have never met and/or to commit suicide in its furtherance is:

    (a) Architecture;

    (b) Philosophy;

    (c) Archeology; or

    (d) Religion

    What is it that most differentiates science and all other intellectual disciplines from religion:

    (a) Religion tells people not only what they should believe, but what they are morally obliged to believe on pain of divine retribution, whereas science, economics, medicine etc. has no “sacred cows” in terms of doctrine and go where the evidence leads them;

    (b) Religion can make a statement, such as “there is a composite god comprised of God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit”, and be totally immune from experimentation and challenge, whereas science can only make factual assertions when supported by considerable evidence;

    (c) Science and the scientific method is universal and consistent all over the World whereas religion is regional and a person’s religious conviction, no matter how deeply held, is clearly nothing more than an accident of birth; or

    (d) All of the above.

    If I am found wandering the streets flagellating myself, wading into a filth river, mutilating my child’s genitals or kneeling down in a church believing that a being is somehow reading my inner thoughts and prayers, I am likely driven by:

    (a) a deep psychiatric issue;

    (b) an irrational fear or phobia;

    (c) a severe mental degeneration caused by years of drug abuse; or

    (d) my religious belief.

    Who am I? I don’t pay any taxes. I never have. Any money my organization earns is tax free and my own salary is also tax free, at the federal, state and local level. Despite contributing nothing to society, but still enjoying all its benefits, I feel I have the right to tell others what to do. I am

    (a) A sleazy Wall Street banker

    (b) A mafia boss

    (c) A drug pusher; or

    (d) A Catholic Priest, Protestant Minister or Jewish Rabbi.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:41 am |
    • AdmrlAckbar

      Still waiting on solid empirical evidence supporting the atheist null hypothesis... Or atheists with a grasp of scientific research principles on the CNN forums... Oh well religion has it's nutjobs and so does the other end of the belief spectrum.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:13 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Admiral, considering your religion is a delusion, the empirical evidence is at your fingertips, so to speak.
      For your personal religious beliefs, there will be things you are "certain" about concerning your god.
      These things are subject to analysis using the scientific method.
      But...and this is an important logical point...you have to factor in and be on your guard for any fallacious reasoning or subjective bias that will nullify your attempts to evaluate your religion in an objective manner.

      For instance, you claim a god exists and has thus and such abilities, characteristics, and so on.
      Now you can try to figure out how these all fit together without being contradictory, create a list where you can check each characteristic off one by one, or you can look at the world around you and try to find some non-controvertible proof that your god exists or even try to figure out what sort of god made things this way without any preconceived notions whatsoever.
      This is because you are the one claiming your god exists for some reason known only to you.

      If you want us to provide proof that your view of your idea of your god is faulty, you'll have to spell out every little detail about your belief, your religion, your god and every characteristic and how none of it contradicts any other part of it.
      Then, we can provide you with a tailored rebuttal to your idea of your god....which clearly does not exist if you are an adherent of one of the major religions on this planet.

      So much for your trap, Admiral. You did not say anything about your god, so proof against it requires you describe your god in painful detail that does not contradict itself or be shown a clear impossibility using simple logic.

      Your turn.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:36 am |
    • Reality

      Colin..you are nothing but a second-rate trying hard COPY PASTE!

      May 22, 2012 at 6:42 am |
    • Reality

      Not from the original Reality.

      May 22, 2012 at 7:47 am |
    • fintastic

      Colin,,,,,,,,, Excellent!

      May 22, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • LinCA

      @AdmrlAckbar

      You said, "Still waiting on solid empirical evidence supporting the atheist null hypothesis."
      You're not much of a scientist, I see. If you were, you'd know that it isn't necessary to support a null hypothesis with any evidence. A null hypothesis can never be proven true, only be disproved. Evidence of gods, any god, would disprove the atheists null hypothesis. Lacking any evidence to disprove it, it stands.

      Feel free to try to disprove it. Please provide some evidence and some solid reasoning to show there is even a glimmer of a chance that there are any gods. The notion is so utterly ridiculous that anyone with half a brain won't waste any time on it, but don't let that discourage you.

      May 22, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
  4. 30to30

    The real question is whether you can prove that *any* of the Bible is true, or whether it is simply the ravings of long-dead Semitic shepherds. Oh, I've no doubt that there is *a* god, or that a historical figure named Jesus existed, but all sorts of legends have their roots in historical contexts, and the funny thing is, they all sound alike proclaiming that theirs is the one "true" path and point, self-referentially, to some old book to justify it.

    Funny thing is, the authors of every one of those books are long dead, and despite all these "one true religions out there" that supporters want to argue are self-evident, kids seem to follow in their parents' footsteps, and until you can explain why your particular belief system is special, you deserve the same credibility a bunch of druids dancing naked around in the woods.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:40 am |
  5. myklds

    On the article: "The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on hom.ose.xuality"

    Simply because,....It's on the debate and on the news as well. While, "eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things"......AREN'T.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:38 am |
  6. Helena Hanbaskit

    Religion is like a penis – it's okay if you have one, and it's perfectly fine if you're proud of it, but it's not at all acceptable to wave it around in everyone's face, and you sure as hell better not try to force it on me.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:28 am |
    • Anna

      Sorry Helena.....the people who do not want religion are doing the same thing.......and that involves trying to change laws as well......you are not just disagreeing – you are insulting and trying to tear down that faith that others carry. sad

      May 22, 2012 at 4:17 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Changing a law to provide equality is not tearing down anyone's faith or even an attempt to do so.
      It is the Christian extremists who seek to write their extremist views into legislation and it is the saner people who are opposing this.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:03 am |
    • Anna

      Jimmy you are a little behind on the current data.......are you aware of what the gay and lesbian community wants in terms of laws and education......didn't think so......its scarey

      May 22, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Bet

      Anna, please educate us on what the gay and lesbian community wants.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
  7. Andrew

    Shannon
    I was taking issue with your statement, not what you were defending.
    "The "pursuit of knowledge' sure has not fed the poor on this planet. The Christian community is the single greatest feeding hand on this planet for the widow and the orphans.....not poison – but rice, milk, water, and beans"

    That is simply demonstrably not true. I myself am not so willing to go and say "religion poisons EVERYTHING", however I do think society would be very much improved if people valued rational thought over belief... rather, I simply object to the absurd claim that "the pursuit of knowledge does not feed people on this planet, and the Christian community is the greatest at doing so".

    It fails to recognize that most of the people who are fed on this planet are fed directly BECAUSE of the "pursuit of knowledge". At *best* you can claim that Christianity is the greatest motivator to inspire people to give money to help the people who fall through the cracks, and since Christians tend to donate more money per capita than non-Christians, this isn't a horrible argument, but even there, you have cracks in the armor because it's more a question of religiosity period.

    That's why I'm not so willing to say "religion poisons everything", because the most devout tend to give more than the less devout across all religions and denominations. That is to say, devout jews give as much as devout protestants, but both give more than people who aren't highly religious.

    So from no standpoint do Christians have a monopoly on charity, even among the religious, but nor are they responsible for feeding the most mouths, or keeping the most people alive... all of that relies on the work of scientists. The "pursuit of knowledge" is the single most important methodology for feeding more humans on earth than anything else, it is responsible for being able to feed as many people as exist. Yes, Christians provide charity, but science is responsible for why charity is needed for millions rather than billions. Hell, science is responsible for why billions could exist in the first place.

    If you truly, honestly, really cared about feeding the poor. If that was really your life's calling. You stand to help feed a lot more hungry mouths by studying agriculture and making food easier and cheaper to produce in under-privileged areas, rather than just raise funds for a charity to buy more food. Fixing the problem works better than a bandage.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:25 am |
    • Helena Hanbaskit

      like, like, like, like.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:32 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      I wouldn't go as far as to credit christianity with being a positive motivator. I believe that there are genuinely good people that do things because it is in them to do so. It doesn't take anything more than a good heart to motivate a good person to do good things. In terms of christianity, they do "good things" based on an irrational fear of a deity that has already made a promise to torture them for eternity if they don't do what they're told.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:49 am |
    • Shannon

      Andrew – the original comment – was that 'religion blocks the pursuit of knowledge".....Matt who made the comment was pitting one against the other....I responded in that context obviously....My comment was not to negate that fact that the pursuit of knowledge – ....can be used to unravel the obstacles of poverty. You have taken my comments to a whole other level....and are speaking like you are revealing something new to me.....I support all methods to end poverty, and that includes science and agriculture.....worked with a group doing just that in Canada last year. The Gates Foundation also works in all of those areas.....However clever you try to describe that facts, and make light of – that it is the faith community who are doing a large majority of the current feeding on this earth.....just shows your lack of understanding. I pray for the pursuit of knowledge – where it end the devastating effects of poverty on this earth.....but I also will give credit where credit is due to the people who are currently sacrificing what they have so others can eat today – not tomorrow

      May 22, 2012 at 4:09 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Shannon, I'm so glad you exist for taking as much credit as possible for your good works. Your deity will surely be most pleased and shall bless you with a fruit basket in heaven.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:19 am |
    • Shannon

      Skip – you are in too many of the conversations and are getting confused. When someone tells you to study or tries to inform you of something you are already well aware of – and you try to reply with some information for a healthy discussion – it is not for the purpose of promoting oneself. You are clearly not used to healthy discussion as Andrew clearly shows.....you are on this page just to fight and insult people – Andrew actually has information and questions.....night night

      May 22, 2012 at 4:28 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Good riddance, Shannon.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:03 am |
    • Shannon

      Healthy discussion leads to change, new thoughts and can even help some to build relationship........should try it sometime

      May 22, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
  8. GayAtheist

    The 21st century will see the death of Christianity.
    Modernity and the bible don't mix.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:18 am |
    • :)

      There will be no death to Christianity. If its so "modern" why can't modern science explain miracles that happen worldwide? Do not say such ignorant things, JESUS was REAL ask any MODERN ARCHAEOLOGIST.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:28 am |
    • Helena Hanbaskit

      Great advice: ask any modern archaeologist. I work with a bunch of archaeologists. I recommend calling up an archaeologist at your local university and asking if biblical miracles are proven by archaeology. They will laugh you right off the phone.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:35 am |
    • Helena Hanbaskit

      Actually, that's not fair to the archaeologists. They will probably very politely and tactfully explain that this is not what they do, and then at lunch laugh about another quack who wanted to know about biblical crap, or pyramid magic, or ancient aliens, or ley lines, or some other such nonsense. Archaeologists study past human behavior, not supernatural hocus pocus, and like most scientists are overwhelmingly secular.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:40 am |
    • Nii

      JANELANE
      The good Rev has an address u can Google easily. However he is not wrong. Jesus in His Life on Earth referred to the ritual law esp the Mishnah and Talmud as not binding though He considered the Moral and Spiritual Law as binding. To be forgiven you must subscribe to the sacrifice by deeds

      May 22, 2012 at 3:42 am |
    • :)

      Image of virgin of Guadalupe i.e, Science can not explain the image on a 400+ year old burlap tilma!! Call your archaeologists up ask them why there's no human being on the planet who can explain how there are no brush strokes on this ancient artifact? Ask them how more than 450 years ago some human being was intelligent enough to paint the constellation on December 12 in reverse on the image!

      May 22, 2012 at 3:45 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Please provide examples of real miracles. Oh, I have one for you. Show me someone who lost a limb and it magically grew back. If you can show me a single case of this ever happening anywhere on the planet in the entire span of human history, then maybe I'll believe in miracles.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:52 am |
    • Colin

      Actually, the whole Catholic story of the Virgin of Guadaloupe is pure fiction. The tilma is now pretty much accepted as having been painted long after the so called miracle happened and the person who supposedly saw the Virgin Mary (Juan Diego, I think was his name) in all liklihood never even existed. There are some ok investigative journalists who did pieces on it one time the Pope visited México. Just google it, you will see.

      Even Catholic priests in México city were appalled by the fraudulent case the Catholic Church was making for this miracle. It is a rare case of the church going so far that even its own members were put off by how fast and loose it played with the truth.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:52 am |
    • mema

      @helena...ask those archaeologist where are the millions of missing links they have failed to find. The sheer number that should be out there is astronomical seeing as we evolved from a single cell to what we are today. Not to mention the billions that are missing for every other species on earth. Actually I would estimate more like trillions of missing evolutionary evidence. Now that is something to laugh at, evolutionary evidence, thats an oxymoron.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:55 am |
    • Helena Hanbaskit

      Art restoration expert José Sol Rosales examined the cloth with a stereomicroscope and observed that the canvas appeared to be a mixture of linen and hemp or cactus fiber. It had been prepared with a brush coat of white primer (calcium sulfate), and the image was then rendered in distemper (i.e., paint consisting of pigment, water, and a binding medium). The artist used a “very limited palette,” the expert stated, consisting of black (from pine soot), white, blue, green, various earth colors ("tierras”), reds (including carmine), and gold. Rosales concluded that the image did not originate supernaturally but was instead the work of an artist who used the materials and methods of the sixteenth century (El Vaticano 2002).

      In addition, there are graphite lines indicating the artist sketched the figure before painting. This nonsense about no brushstrokes is simply folklore. I've seen it in person twice – what is your source of information?

      May 22, 2012 at 3:57 am |
    • Atheists are Gay

      "The 21st century will see the death of Christianity."

      How brave and sure your statement was, BRAVO! But I think I already heard such statement from different people in different eras. Yet, they all fail, EPICALLY! And never lived to see it happen. It was like a curse for those who say it. Unfortunately, you bind yourself by saying it and definitely, like them, you'll never live to say it happen.

      I feel bad for you, HONEST!

      May 22, 2012 at 4:00 am |
    • Helena Hanbaskit

      mema, your comment is simply a lie or misinformed by lies. I can't begin explain to you here the number of falsehoods and misperceptions in your comment. Learn some science rather than swallowing what your church web page tells you. Seriously, just look it up, there are literally hundreds of thousands of fossils.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:00 am |
    • Colin

      To correct a common misconception thrown around by creationists like mnena, there is no problem with us not having the remains of every organism that has ever lived. Few organisms actually fossilize in the first place and then, many fossils are destroyed over time. It would be more unusual and difficult to explain if we did have a complete fossil record of every organism that ever lived.

      I can assure you that the case for biological evolution is 1000 times more solid that the "six days and a talking snake" theory of the origins of life.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:03 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Islam could possibly overtake christianity. What then? Does that mean islam is the correct religion? That's how it usually works. "More people believe in MY god, so that means MY god is your god."

      May 22, 2012 at 4:06 am |
    • :)

      NASA concluded that the image was not natural. Look deep enough you will find it, and don't believe skeptics. We studied this image in Art History as well, and My professor with a PhD in Art history would know if the image had any brush marks. Millions of people visit the shrine every year, no one would go to visit a hoax, do not be foolish.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:10 am |
    • :)

      For those who believe, no explanation is necessary, for those who don't, no explanation suffices. People will always ask for more and more, endlessly attempting to disprove the supernatural. Good luck finding self satisfaction! Goodnight CNN!:)

      May 22, 2012 at 4:27 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Evidence will suffice. How about some of that? That's something you don't get with religion. In the real world, there is evidence to prove various theories. In fairy tale land, nope.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:18 am |
    • Anna

      Wow.....have witnessed hundreds of miracles – they are raising the dead in Africa and Mexico.......there are cities in the US – that at being hailed as No Cancer Zones.....because the miracles are happening. People with MS are being healed.....people are receiving new limbs. Jesus heals today.....its a common fact for those who follow Him. We find it facinating that CNN never cover this.....i am talking about full on miracles....the blind see and the deaf hear.....Jesus Christ is the Way!!!!!

      May 22, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
  9. Nii

    SPANGLER
    Opinions are like onions and NO! you can't plant yours in my backyard!.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:11 am |
    • janelane

      wow, the author of this article obviously is trying to justify his own sins while continuing to condemn those of others. his "unclean" interpretation is way off the mark. he should check out verse 28 where it makes clear they are referring to men, which god has made clean by jesus dying for our sins. "God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean". this has nothing to do with meat. there is nowhere in the bible that god proclaimed the previously unclean meats now clean. god, people annoy me.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:18 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      I love pork chops. They are delicious. There was once a purpose to avoiding "unclean" meat. Now, people know how to cook. Humans have even evolved past the point of using their fingers to clean their posteriors after defecating. Well, some still do it. But they also believe women are property, so they don't count as humans.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:55 am |
  10. tlight131

    See religion is man made, and so is the bible. Your told not to question or speak up. You lose the ability to be a person and you become sheep. Bahhh bahhh. There might be a god but he isn't who he is portrayed to be. All you need to do to free yourself from being live stock is question everything. Once you open your eyes, it's a sudden realization. It's all a bunch of control.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:09 am |
  11. Nii

    The funny thing about using de eunuch passage 2 favour gays is that Christ mentioned 3 types of eunuchs
    i)born eunuchs
    ii) forced eunuchs
    iii) eunuchs 4 de sake of de kingdom of God.
    If de 1st 2 meant gay then de last will mean gay. Therefore St PAUL was gay 4 de Kingdom of God. HOW SILLY IS THAT?

    May 22, 2012 at 3:02 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      I'll tell you what's silly. Thinking anyone will take you seriously when you're writing like a 12 year old girl via text message.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:09 am |
    • Nii

      Don't weep for me SKIP.
      I only destroyed a "cogent" argement from an atheist. There are text speak is very valid cos I'm fine with it. Freedom of speech and laughter. lol

      May 22, 2012 at 3:25 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      What the hell did you just say?

      May 22, 2012 at 3:42 am |
    • fintastic

      Nii is a troll....... and a babbling idoit

      May 22, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • fintastic

      ........... correction........ babbling "idiot"

      May 22, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
  12. Humanist11

    One can't say the bible is perfect in every way and then ignore the inconvenient verses. To say some of the more absurd passages were only meant for the Jewish people and Christians don't have to follow them is ridiculous. Religion fools the credulous because theists can twist interpretations any way they wish. This is nothing more than an undergraduate course in human manipulation.

    May 22, 2012 at 3:01 am |
    • Nii

      HUMANIST
      It is not Christians today who declared that the ritual Law is not binding. It is the Bible itself almost 2000 years ago. If u have read it you will know instead of offering an uninformed opinion about what a learned theologian says.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:07 am |
  13. Spangler

    The OT was written by the leaders of a Middle Eastern tribe who wanted land, power, money, slaves, multiple wives, loyalty and fame and wrote a book which said God wanted them to have these things. This vision became harder to sell after the conquest by Rome and was changed into a loving diety of all the world who would not hurt a fly.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:55 am |
    • janelane

      umm... the author of this article is highly mistaken. regarding his "unclean" interpretation, he should check out verse 28 where it makes clear they are referring to men, which god has made clean by jesus dying for our sins. "God has shown me that I should not call any man common or unclean".

      May 22, 2012 at 3:14 am |
    • mema

      Janelane...yes Jesus died for our sins. It is a different matter entirely when one practices sin. Then there is no room left for forgiveness. Jesus death was for sin inhetent to imperfection not for ones who willfully sin once knowing it is sinfull. The author may have listed the wrong passage but indeed the bible does call certain practices "unclean, defilements of the flesh, unnatural".

      May 22, 2012 at 3:42 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      The bible really isn't important in any case, and ESPECIALLY in telling anyone how to live. It's painfully obvious that the bible is a lie considering the fact that it claims that god plans on sending the vast majority to burn and suffer in torment for eternity.... all for the sake of a small handful of believers. Please get a grip. This belief system called christianity is quite possibly one of the most self-absorbed problems we as humans face.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:00 am |
  14. Jimmy G.

    Well said, Matt.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:44 am |
  15. Matt

    This is the prime example of how RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING. Turning people against one-another and blocking the pursuit of knowledge. That's what religion does.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:34 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      ... then it appears you are a good learner because you got intolerance and division down pack.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:43 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Typing from your phone again, Mark?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:45 am |
    • Shannon

      The "pursuit of knowledge' sure has not fed the poor on this planet. The Christian community is the single greatest feeding hand on this planet for the widow and the orphans.....not poison – but rice, milk, water, and beans

      May 22, 2012 at 2:45 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      It is healthier to be intolerant of religion. This is not to say be intolerant of the believer, just as the believer is allegedly required to be intolerant of "sin" and not the sinner. However, the believer tends to be intolerant not only to what they view as sin, but are downright venomous in regard to almost anyone that doesn't share their hate.

      I speak from experience. I was once a christian.

      Then I read a bible.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:46 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Shannon, I want you to research the subject of poverty. Specifically, find the number of people living in poverty worldwide, then do some research into the amount of food that is wasted across the globe. I then want you to do some research in determining the number of religious people on Earth who all claim the same basic moral values of taking care of the poor.

      I actually did a study on this a few months ago and found a lot of humor in what I found. If the majority of these people fall into religious groups (and they do), and these religious groups claim to want to help fellow man (and they do), then poverty would not exist. Logistically speaking, fixing poverty isn't the most simple of tasks. But taking into the sheer number of religious people on the planet, you'd think they'd do something about it. But, over 90% of them do nothing. So much for christianity.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:52 am |
    • preacherman

      Shannon, and they food they are eating – that's all grown and preserved the same way as it was 2000 yrs ago right? Science hasn't done anything to feed the poor, like say develop more productive products, turn deserts into farms, optimize irrigation, fertilizers, pesticides, farm equipment, canning technology, food safety, plastic containers, vitamin enrichment, water treatment, transportation, storage facilities, and on and on. Yeah science has done a thing, has it?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:56 am |
    • preacherman

      Sorry for the typos, but how simultaneously arrogant and ignorant to claim that the pursuit of knowledge has done nothing to feed the poor. What ignorance!

      May 22, 2012 at 2:59 am |
    • Andrew

      Shannon
      That's a bold faced absolute lie. The person who has probably done more to feed humanity, yes all of humanity, is Norman Borlaug. That man alone is responsible for over a billion people being able to eat, and will continue to be responsible for billions more. He didn't do this through the church, he didn't do this through a ministry, he did this through the "pursuit of knowledge" that is, science. Who knows what his religious motivations were, he didn't speak much on the subject, but his METHODS were clearly those of a scientist.

      You can have a charity set up to feed the hungry, and there will always be hungry, but it's science that will always pose the ultimate solutions. No charity could ever claim to come anywhere close to being responsible for as many mouths fed as that man, not because their hearts aren't well meaning, but because they prefer to be "charitable" rather than study the problem and find the most effective ways to fix it.

      Charity does not fix problems, it's a bandage. Science fixes problems. Clean water, agriculture, electricity, modern medicine, the very things allowing us to live so much longer than the past did not come from religion, they came from the pursuit of knowledge, they came from science.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:59 am |
    • Shannon

      Skip....now all of your comments make sense....you are bitter and have not delt with the past. Everyone can argue all day here.....but that will not change one fact – The God of this Universe is not defined by all of our behavior on this planet from creation to now. You can write all day how you disagree with religion.....and the negative things that have happened in the name of religion.....still does not even touch who God IS......or His amazing creation of this world and His amazing intention of having a relationship with us

      May 22, 2012 at 3:00 am |
    • Shannon

      Skip....have studied poverty deeply. Raised $100,000 for the Horn of Africa last year......:)

      May 22, 2012 at 3:02 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      Skip, intolerance is never healthy, for so many reasons. One of the biggest is that when you promote intolerance you should look at who else is preaching intolerance. I have been to a Gay and Lesbian church while at the same time, we know there are churches such as Westburo Baptist who promote the view that we should not be tolerant of the Gays and Lesbians in society. In the end, whats the difference between Rev Terry Jones stating we should be intolerant and your view that we should be intolerant.

      Its just the views of those on the extremes and those of us in the middle just get caught in your crossfire. Especially when each side is using the same words and speeches.

      You speak from experience as a former Christan, well I speak as a Christian that believes. One that believes that society can live in co-existence and achieve tolerance. One that believes that it all begins when we decide.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:05 am |
    • Helena Hanbaskit

      Gotta hand it to you, Shannon. That was a pretty boneheaded thing to say.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:07 am |
    • Andrew

      And no amount of saying "god IS" actually makes that true. There's this thing called "evidence" which you seem to omit, that thing required by the "pursuit of knowledge" that you casually dismiss.

      But hey, that 100,000 dollars is good, right? Shame it won't amount to a drop in the bucket to actually fixing the problem, unless, of course, you reinvest that money into science to study better ways to improve the agriculture in the horn of Africa, but that'd be admitting that it's not your god, or your church that fixes the problems, it's science, and you're just the money men. Nothing wrong with that, all scientists need grants, but don't forget that providing the money is just the money, the work is done by people who care about the "pursuit of knowledge", people like Norman Borlaug.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:08 am |
    • Shannon

      David Suzuki,.....one of Canada's top scientists, and humanitarians said that with all of the world's top advances in medicine, tech world, astronomy,etc ......this has not aided the truly poor on this planet. He had all of the facts and figures....There are some amazing people working in the science field – and other fields finding ways to end poverty......we all get that right? But my comments are were towards the remark – That religion is poison.......I see none of you argued that did you..? I am simply stating the good that is done by the christian community in this world is never spoken of.....it is very sad to me.....

      May 22, 2012 at 3:13 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      >>>"That man alone is responsible for over a billion people being able to eat, and will continue to be responsible for billions more. He didn't do this through the church, he didn't do this through a ministry, he did this through the "pursuit of knowledge" that is, science."

      Ok.... then the natural counter argument will be how many have Science killed in the history of the world? Newer, better weapons. Drone aircraft flown by people who drive home in their hondas after bombing a house on the other side of the world. Chemical weapons, Nuclear Weapons, the list of the mouths that science has helped

      If anything if you want to say that Religion is the most destructive insit'tution in history with countless deaths on its hand, then you gotta include science in that mix as well because they have been hand in hand forever.

      Oh yeah....

      Norman Ernest Borlaug (March 25, 1914 – September 12, 2009) was an American agronomist, humanitarian, and Nobel laureate.

      Nobel... Hmm.. wasn't Nobel a scientist? What was it that he as a “scientist” using “science” created.... I forget 🙂

      “Some Nobel scholars suggest it was Nobel's way to compensate for developing destructive forces. His inventions included dynamite and ballisti'te, both of which were used violently during his lifetime. Ballisti'te was used in war and the Irish Republican Brotherhood, an Irish nationalist organization, carried out dynamite attacks in the 1880s.Nobel was also instrumental in turning Bofors from an iron and steel company to an armaments company.”

      May 22, 2012 at 3:21 am |
    • Anna

      Shannon – Can hear your heart on this.....agree it is sad. We all agree that the pursuit of knowledge is trying to help....but the Christian Community at large is helping on a large scale.....and well – most are probably not aware of this

      May 22, 2012 at 3:22 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      If I had a dollar from every christian that told me I was bitter because I called the bible on all of it's bullsh I'd be able to end poverty. This is the problem with christians. They believe they have all of the answers to life's little problems.

      Incorrect. There is no god. Never was, never will be. What christians fail to realize about atheists such as myself is that many of us have experienced religion in its purest form. We know what it is because we've been on both sides of the fence. Bitter? You might think so because you are incapable of comprehending logical, rational thought.

      You speak of god as I once did, until once again, I read the bible. One of christians' biggest mistakes is interpreting the bible to begin with. This has caused a great deal of division, which resulted in the multitude of denominations we see today. Then of course there is the claim of the many translations of the bible. I don't even bother with this argument considering that with original texts, it's completely possible that the most current versions of the bible just might be closer to the original than most people are willing to admit.

      I found a few items in the bible that gave me a good reason to throw it in a fire and never look back. For starters, your "god" is bipolar. There's no getting around it. The god of the old testament is not the same god of the new testament. Next, the old testament god is alone. The new testament is actually three gods. Judaism is a monotheist religion, while christianity is a polytheist religion that 100% of christians deny. Once again, old testament god not equal to new testament god.

      The most glaring are the contradictions and claims. Some of the claims made by jesus for example. Some will say he never said he was god. This is untrue. He did claim divinity. Also, the bible states that only the father will know the day and the hour of the second coming of jesus. Well, jesus wasn't the father, but on MULTIPLE occasions, claimed when he would return. This is not only a contradiction, but a lie. It virtually kills the entire faith.

      But, jesus does redeem himself from being a complete pushover because according to revelation, his second coming is all about murdering everyone in his path.

      All of this coupled with the commandment to murder gay people amongst a lot of other scripture which is strangely enough ignored at the pulpit in light of more sensitive subjects that won't scare the bloody shit out of church members was enough to make me do a little more digging.

      Something else christians really need to think about when pondering their ancient book of myths is, "What happened to the missing books?"

      Yes yes. If you read your bible and pay close enough attention, then you'll be oddly intrigued to find that the bible itself references other books, but they aren't included in the bible. How can anyone find salvation in a bible when parts of it are missing?

      Divine? I hardly think so. We've come a long way from thinking gods are the causes of earthquakes. I think it's time we can stop thinking there's a god responsible for everything else.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:28 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      There is also something to be said about christians that openly lay claim to their good works.

      Shannon, what the hell is wrong with you?

      May 22, 2012 at 3:32 am |
    • rob

      The original comment here is that "Religion blocks the pursuit of knowledge"........that is a lie.....doesn't even make sense. Shannon.......give up now – they do not understand the macro.....lost in the micro!!

      May 22, 2012 at 3:33 am |
    • Andrew

      Mark From Middle River
      I *believe* Nobel created dynamite, so is credited with much of the mining industry's success. Thank him for computers, cause you'd be amazed how difficult it is to mine for hardware components.

      Also, yes, lets look at all wars ever in human history and compare it to just the billion Norman himself has saved. Lets ignore, for example, the germ theory of disease, and all of modern medicine credited with billions more lives, no, lets stick to just to all of human history's wars, and one man. World war 2 killed over 60 million people, world war 1, another 35 million, hell, take the entire wikipedia "list of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll" entry and pick the highest estimates for each and every event going nearly 1500 years back and you STILL don't have more than 700, 750 million deaths.

      Take all human caused activities within all of human history and you BARELY will reach a billion caused directly by human actions. Then take one man, norman borlaug, and his work in agriculture. ONE MAN is responsible for about a billion mouths fed. That's ignoring advances in medicine, clean water, etc, for the rest of us, no, just looking at his work alone and you have a billion.

      All of human wars don't come close to the amount of lives saved by a single person studying science. Science is good at making weapons, yes, but it's proven far, FAR more effective at saving lives. There isn't any question.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:36 am |
    • North Guy

      Skip......sorry dude....yu sound bitter....you are turning this page into your journal.....Religion is as old as the hills and is a part of this world, and a huge part of our history.....much good has occured and much disaster in the name of religion....Doesn't change that fact that the largest percentage of people in history believe we live in a created universe.....

      May 22, 2012 at 3:40 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Mark, until religion ends up in the toilet and gets flushed completely, we will never be a truly advanced species capable of fully overcoming all of the hurdles holding us back. I've cited specific, completely accurate examples that prove the religion of christianity to be a complete farce, yet people still believe in it. What does that say about humanity? If people are unwilling to accept FACTUAL information and choose instead to continue believing in the fairy tale, what do we have? Believers claim there is no hope for atheists. There's no hope for anyone after we die. NONE. But you know what? Who cares? We're all in the same boat. So what if there's no god and no heaven? We have this time to enjoy what we do have and if we can, move forward. But until humans give up this fairy tale death grip they refuse to let go of, we're still going to lag behind as a species.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:40 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Skip, great post! I gave up trying to keep track of all the glaring lies and contradictions in the Bible years ago.
      There's just too many of them to list. It's easier to toss the whole thing altogether as being a huge mass of bs.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:42 am |
    • Pamela

      Was very pleased to see that Norman Borlaug was raised and confirmed in the Angelican Church and was one of the trustees on the Bread for the World (Christian group)........In his acceptance speech for Nobel prize he quoted the bible 5 times!!! I have always believed that science and religion can work together and this man is a fine example. More Normans please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      May 22, 2012 at 3:53 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      North Guy, please shut the fuck up about the "you're bitter" comments. It validates nothing and this only tries to divert the subject from the information I'm providing. Stop being like every other sheep claiming to be an online psychologist. You are not. Thank you : D

      May 22, 2012 at 4:09 am |
    • Andrew

      Like I said, I don't know, nor care what his religious beliefs were because he was primarily a scientist. The original claim was that the "pursuit of knowledge" doesn't feed people, Christian giving does, and that's absurd. Norman's motivations could have been religious and that's fine, but his methodology is exclusively by doing science, the "pursuit of knowledge". Christians giving to charity wouldn't amount to anything compared to christians or non-christians working in a lab. If we had a society where EVERYONE, christians, non-christians alike cared more about science, we'd have a much better society.

      The problem is that religion is all too often a stumbling block in that. Imagine if everyone understood evolution well enough to read the peer reviewed literature, imagine if everyone knew enough basic physics to read climate studies, imagine if everyone knew the basics of medicine so they could read medical journals. Imagine if everyone cared about having that access. You wouldn't have this nonsense about 'evolution is a lie', or 'global warming doesn't exist', or 'vaccines cause autism', you'd have a society whose first instinct is to read the literature on the subject.

      Part of my biggest problem with religion is how it causes individuals to become in many ways unwilling to examine evidence, to reject the need of evidence. People can be blinded by faith, they can reject evidence and even outright reject the need to study a subject they deny. Not all religious individuals are that bad, but religion certainly makes it vastly easier to shun evidence in favor of their literal faith.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:20 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      >>>”I *believe* Nobel created dynamite, so is credited with much of the mining industry's success.”

      ..and Mikhail Kalashnikov created the AK-47 to defend Russia against the advancing German Army. So next time a kid is caught in the crossfire between rival gangs we will remember what the weapon was "created" for.

      Andrew – Norman Ernest Borlaug did use science to fed many in his lifetime. I will not dispute this, but the use of science in war and conflicts takes advancements such Borlaugs and uses them also. For example.

      “Agent Orange is the common name used for one of the her'bicides and defoliantsused by the U.S. Military as part of its her'bicidal warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand, during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971.”

      See, I am a fan of Science, what you have posted and I have googled about Borlong, I consider him a hero. At the same time while he was able to make his advancements using science to feed and better the world …. August 6 1945 and then three days later August 9th happened and over 200k were taken away in an instant, by science.

      See, this is being objective and not hero worshiping. Science has helped us feed and keep healthy many people. The crazy thing is that I have encountered a few population control folks that feel that we are going against some natural order.... ecch.

      My point, from the middleground, is that science has also given us the tools to end existence on this planet and that ability to end life on a global scale is greater than the advancements to feed a billion or even ten billion.

      You speak of better crops through science... we see that in some country's ar'senal, science has given them a way to turn those same crops into dust overnight. You speak of the health benefit through science. Heck, science can turn that around with launch codes.

      Also, those medical advancements with Science.... ever hear of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment?

      >>>”FAR more effective at saving lives. There isn't any question.”

      When we can kill people.... entire cites of people faster than you can grow a field of wheat, is the point that I feel that your argument is in question. Especially in the area of effectiveness.

      Borlong was great but compared to what science warfare has given us the ability to do, makes Borlong appear to be standing still.

      Good post though, as a history student I will remember what you showed me about Borlong.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:29 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Mark, science is a tool that can be used as a weapon because of human nature being what it is.
      Human nature is the problem, not science. In fact, it is science that shows us the technical aspects of human nature and will eventually bring more knowledge and tools that, yes, can be used for good or evil.

      Without irrational violence, we could discover, through science, a billion ways to kill and never use a single one, but there will always be someone who, regardless of ideology, may become violent for various reasons, like if they had a stroke or got hit in the head the right way. It is the weakness and fragility of the human body and brain that will always be a stumbling block for humanity.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:40 am |
    • Pamela

      Andrew.....pleeeaaassse!!! you make christians sound stupid.....Do you have any idea how many christians are scientists, surgeons, lawyers, doctors, astronauts, professors, teachers,.........you are sooo caught up in your case for evidence – you are thinking really small

      May 22, 2012 at 4:40 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      >>>"Mark, science is a tool that can be used as a weapon because of human nature being what it is.
      Human nature is the problem, not science."

      To end for the night and to go back to the orignal post. The same can be said of Religion.

      re-word :

      Jim, Religion is a tool that can be used as a weapon because of human nature being what it is. Human nature is the problem, not Religion.

      L'Chaim, my friend.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:59 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Indeed, Mark, religion can also be used for good or evil, but in the case of religion, it is not based upon rationality but upon delusion, and so is more apt to be used for evil and to manipulate good people to do evil.
      In terms of being more easily misused and used to manipulate people into killing, there's nothing like killing in the name of some god to give otherwise kind people to do great evil – perhaps using science-enhanced weapons to boot.

      If human nature is the problem then we should be addressing that, as it is closer to the root of all of humanity's problems if not the root itself.
      And do you think praying is going to change human nature? If not, why not? Is your god a sadist? Are you a masochist?

      Since you are leaving, perhaps someone else would like to address these issues.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:16 am |
    • Bet

      @ Pamela You're doing a bang up job at making christians sound stupid yourself.

      Typing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and soooooooo and pleeeaaassse!!! doesn't make your point any more valid, but it sure does make you look like a dope.

      May 22, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
  16. Ambient Malice

    So this is debate at it's finest. Nobody cares about the article anymore, and waste hours proving how little they understand Christianity and the Bible. Where are my delicious Gummy Bears and Escape the Fate CD's? This is entertaining in a morbid way.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:33 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      ...So, this is your first time to the Belief Blog?

      If anything that people keep referring to this article's writers and addressing his flaws or correct assertions, makes this a rare article/thread.

      The rest, what are you going to expect? Folks can vent and get feedback from folks that hold opposing views or beliefs.... while at the same time not having to worry about hurting feelings. Maybe its Atheist brother or Aunt.... maybe its a Christian or Muslim son or Mother-in-Law. Maybe its the Pagan Boss or the Jewish boss.

      They want to rip into them every time they meet them in the outside world but for the more meaningful peace in their outside life they hold their tongues. That builds up, they come to the Belief Blog and find it filled with a target filled environment. There are Atheist and Faithful a ton. In some ways, I believe that some might be grateful to the Atheist or a Religious person that they find here on the blog. They can explode and crap all over the person(s) because they can't do the same to, maybe their wife or husband.

      Additionally, this might be the only form of meaningful communication that some folks might get in their day. A day of a 9 to 5, minivans, kids soccer game, … and let us be realistic, a world that is full of people who really do not care what others believe and would not waste two minutes arguing anything dealing with faith or Atheism.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:40 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Considering the number of replies to this article, I imagine the topic of gays has been discussed thoroughly. I also take into account the articles CNN has posted over the past week on the same subject.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:43 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Gee, Mark, and here I thought you never listened to anyone but yourself. Good post.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:47 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      Skip, Romney came out of the GOP primaries closer in some polls to Obama and leading a few. The job numbers were not favorable as well so the Left had to play this card cause they do not want the voters to focus on the Obama economy.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:47 am |
    • Andrew

      Well frankly I don't care about the article just because I find it silly to complain about something victimless, regardless about what the bible might teach. I don't believe the bible is a good book of morality, because I don't believe a good book of morality would condemn things that hurt no one.

      Hell, I don't think a book of morality should ever celebrate people who put faith before family, I'm looking at you Abraham.

      The man in the article uses the bible as justification for condemning h-mos-xuality, but as someone who doesn't consider the bible sufficient justification, I need something better than "the New Testament also says its bad". I don't care what the new testament says is bad if the new testament doesn't provide a good moral compass in the first place.

      I much prefer a simple "if it causes harm to others, it is immoral, if not, live and let live, because seriously, who does it hurt?"
      Victimless crimes should never be considered 'sin', and all 'sin' should never be considered equal. I take cold blooded murder to be FAR worse than, say, shoplifting, but according to many Christians I've spoken to, especially those who condemn h-mos-xuality, 'we're all sinners in god's eyes, they're all equal sins because sin is sin'. I'm sorry, that black and white morality is sickening to me.

      I have no reason to care what the bible says about anything if I've been given no good reason to treat it as a good standard. Murder, r- pe, child abuse, these are immoral because there is a victim, not because some god says they're bad. I'm capable of being a good person without god, the people who scare me are the ones who say you can't, the ones who would just as well commit murder if there wasn't a god to punish them.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:51 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      I should add that Mark only makes a good post rarely, say at a ratio of 1 good post per 1000 or something, so we should encourage this sort of thing if at all possible....

      May 22, 2012 at 2:51 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      >>>"I should add that Mark only makes a good post rarely,"

      ROFL. Hey I understand, I had to post yesterday that my arch enemy Momoya ... that I agreed with one of her post. How did Bill Murray say .. "Dogs and Cats living together...mass hysteria"

      May 22, 2012 at 2:55 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      I'm not voting for either candidate. I didn't vote for the obama when he ran in 2008 either. I just don't like his policies. Romney doesn't seem to have anything better up his sleeve. I don't trust either of them.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:55 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Mark, you wouldn't have "arch enemies" if you would just stop lying and sidestepping so much.

      Nobody who values honesty over dishonesty is going to appreciate posts by someone who refuses to talk straight in response to straight talk.

      If you could just drop the bs and go ahead and speak of the bigotry you try so hard to hide, then maybe you could find a way to move beyond that bigotry. And please do not try to tell me you aren't a bigot about some things. I have read too many of your posts. (too many is an understatement)

      May 22, 2012 at 3:18 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      Hi Jimmy. If you can't land a punch .. do not whine that its your opponents fault for being better than you. 🙂

      I do not need to side step anything. I am a history student and images of Kristallnacht will continue to push me to finding the paths to tolerance and co-existence. You declare you have read many of my post and continue to believe that I am hiding my true views. Why? I am not running for office and I am not seeking popularity here on the Belief Blog. I am not in a Disney made for TV movie where I am terrified that I have no friends online.

      If I am the only one standing in the middle saying that both extreme Atheist and extreme Faithful are stupid then I am totally fine with that. There was a quote, I remember from years back, that stated if everyone is your friend then that is a problem. If I wanted folks who shared my Conservative Republican views I could spend my time at FoxNews and preach to the choir. If anything, sparing with a few Atheist has strengthen my Christian Faith because a unchallenged Faith is not a tested Faith. Ever notice that what gets folks the most upset on the Belief Blog is when folks do not bend or break.

      Yesterday I told some straight forward that I do not have an opinion on Gay marriage. That got me in trouble, because some were of the mindset that either I was with them or against them.

      But, please... show me the bigotry post. You claim there are many and I know that Atheist declare they want proof presented to them ...so please present the proof. Also, please do not go to Saturday morning between 6am and noon, many folks had their login screen names used by others. If I can go back 40+ pages to respond to a post then you should have no problem showing me any post where you feel I was a bigot.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:44 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Mark, perhaps you have moved beyond what you have said in the past. Plus I am too lazy to go back and sort through everything and so I will give you the benefit of the doubt on the bigotry thing today.
      I am not trying to land punches here or there. Don't be so defensive. I enjoy your posts sometimes.

      No, I was just poking you a bit because I was bored.
      Here's something to chew on: When you, a member of the Republican party, pretend to be "in the middle" on everything under the sun and then demand everyone come over to your "side", there is a disconnect between your official position and your attempts to appear as some sort of centrist.
      How anyone can be both a Republican and an actual centrist is beyond me, for the Republican party has been taken over by extremists and is now so far out to the right that everything they do is nuts...in addition to the Democrats having not only moved to the right, but have been joined by many Republicans who are actually closer to being considered moderates.
      Are you a moderate? Would you be willing to compromise your party's new agenda for the good of all Americans?
      I am curious as to how you are able to spout Republican talking points and still consider yourself a centrist.
      If I were to attempt such a thing, I'd become rather schizophrenic in trying to hold two opposing value systems.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:13 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      >>>”No, I was just poking you a bit because I was bored.”

      Geez dude …. cause you were bored ….

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njvgjZbjoR4

      >>>”How anyone can be both a Republican and an actual centrist is beyond me, for the Republican party has been taken over by extremists and is now so far out to the right that everything they do is nuts..”

      But out of the same GOP came a group of Gay and Lesbian Republicans who successfully pushed for the overturn of Don't Ask Don't Tell. Were they “nuts” as well?

      >>>”Are you a moderate? Would you be willing to compromise your party's new agenda for the good of all Americans?”

      Depends on who's definition of the “Good of All Americans”. Lots of people like to declare that they are moving this piece of legislation or this law for the “good of all Americans”. I believe that there is no such thing as the “Good of All Americans”. What someone in one segment of the country might feel what is good for them “must” be good for the country, and region might believe differently and feel that their view “must” be good for the country.

      I just belive that just as you have all Christians look at a single book of Faith, the Bible and then from that sprout many different denominations, I feel that is what is done with the laws of our land.

      >>> “I am curious as to how you are able to spout Republican talking points and still consider yourself a centrist”

      Well, it just takes moving back often times closing your eyes and just listening. After a while you will see that the differences in the GOP and the DEMs are not that different because control is their ultimate goal.

      These are the same parties that vote themselves pay raises while saying they want smaller government (REP) and say they will get us out of Afghanistan and then agree to do so six years later(DEM).

      >>>”If I were to attempt such a thing, I'd become rather schizophrenic in trying to hold two opposing value systems.”

      You have your own value system. Use scriptures, use lectures, heck talk to folks. My Faith is with God, my hope is that a society can exist in peace through tolerance. Even when the extremes on both sides are pulling at you.

      Last Presidental election. For the first time in my life …. I went fishing.

      May 22, 2012 at 4:55 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Mark, is the post further up the page yours? The one where you are against gay marriage and all that?
      Or is it an imposter like you allude to elsewhere?

      May 22, 2012 at 5:00 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      Imposter. I guess I am getting closer to finding tolerance and co-existance between folks that someone has to come in and post under my name as such.

      The problem is, is it a person from the far right that I state that I am a Christian and I am cool with folks being Gay and Lesbians. Also that I try to talk with Atheist. Or is it someone from the extreme side of the Atheist that are concerned that a Christian Republican is trying to find peace and tolerance with folks.

      Either way ... Sun will be up soon.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:10 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Ah, thank you for clearing that up. I am also curious as to the motives behind such misrepresentation, but in the end it is CNN who should be held responsible for this sort of thing.
      Without a good login or tracking / registration sort of thing, these imposters have a free hand here. CNN is clearly dropping the ball with regards to good blogging practices.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:21 am |
  17. Jeremiah

    Read the New Testament. The apostle Paul was an arrogant a**. If Jesus didn't say it, then guess what...you're just trying to justify conformity and oppression. I don't believe in most of the Bible, but the words of Christ are uplifting and hopeful. Paul's words are those of a totalitarian, patriarchal evangelical. I couldn't care less what he said.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:15 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      Paul was the last person to see Jesus in the flesh. So his opinion matters whether you like it or not.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:16 am |
    • Mirosal

      Not one single author of ANY New Testament letter or gospel met, knew, walked with, or heard your dead jesus guy. The earliest writings of jesus are at least 30 years after he died, IF he ever existed in the first place.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:21 am |
    • Dave

      Jesus seemed to think Paul's opinion mattered.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:23 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      Even James? Who was Jesus' BROTHER?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:23 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Since there is no god behind the Bible, none of it matters at all.
      You are like trekkies arguing over the rules that Klingons are supposed to have.
      It's just a big joke how you think your religion matters outside of your personal life.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:24 am |
    • Shannon

      Oh my....another idiot who says "I don't believe in the bible".......the bible is a history book. The places, Kings, and some of the events written are also in World Book Encyclopedia......the question is over who Jesus was....but the facts of history are a part of this great book

      May 22, 2012 at 2:27 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      History book, eh? Considering all of the lies in the bible, I wouldn't go as far to state that it is a history book.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:31 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      I said there is no god behind the Bible. It's a fact. Nothing in the Bible matters in view of this fact beyond a slight historical significance that it was written by superstttious nomads and has had such a large impact on world history due to humanity's vulnerability to indoctrination.

      If Constantine hadn't wanted to manipulate the Christian cults in the area, you'd be arguing that the gods of Greek myth helped you choose which life path to take or something equally schizophrenic.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:34 am |
    • Andrew

      Yes Ambient Malice, even "James, who was jesus's brother".

      Tell me, how many surviving works do we have on "James", and how many can we verify were written by actual first-hand accounts? How clear are the references to him? What surviving works are attributed to him?

      For people questioning the historical validity of a source, the source is often insufficient justification for itself. There's very little written by anyone that doesn't cloud everything surrounding jesus. There are few independent sources, and while it seems reasonable to suspect that someone named "Jesus" actually lived around that time, stories of his divinity seem greatly exaggerated, and even more poorly sourced.

      I mean, if for nothing else, you'd think more surviving doc-ments would exist from the Roman point of view, if the stories in the bible were actually true. This guy dies and the world is plunged into blackness and the Romans, who typically were excellent about recording things like solar eclipses, didn't write about it... anywhere? The only seeming doc-ment to indicate anything divine is the new testament alone, and sources for that are notoriously bad.

      Do you believe in giant gold digging ants in India, or are you more careful about reading Herodotus? If you take Herodotus with a grain of salt, why not the bible? There's likely plenty of history, but likewise, plenty of nonsense.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:37 am |
    • Andrew

      @Skip the Bible

      Damn right the bible is a history book, in the same sense that Herodotus wrote a history book. The historical elements are difficult to separate from the mythology, but if you pull apart the layers, you will often find interesting historical facts. That doesn't mean the bible is literally true, or that there is a god, or that jesus was his son, or any of that nonsense, but it functions very well for a look at early pictures of history and society at the time. Now granted we get only a narrow picture from the bible, but it's still a valuable resource if you want to look at a historical picture of middle eastern society at the time.

      The bible needs to be read with skepticism and rational thought, but that doesn't mean it should be ignored entirely. At least, it shouldn't if you are an ancient history student.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:42 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Andrew, I agree with some of your points.

      The bible itself is its own form of evolution in that we can see the progression of primitive belief systems. I would take all historical accounts in the bible with a grain of salt considering the deceitful nature of the texts.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:07 am |
  18. Christians think Sharia Law is immoral but impose their own Sharia Law in America.

    No matter what version, it's immoral to impose your religion by denying others civil rights.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:13 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      How often are we going to see this inane tweet likening Christianity to Islam? Muslims are killing Christians in every nation they control. So there.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:15 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      And christians murdered untold numbers of people for their beliefs. muslim is the new christian.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:18 am |
    • Rotsap

      In principle there is no difference between Islamic Sharia Law and Christians imposing their religion on others.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:18 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      How many Christians murdering how many people? And the Roman Catholics don't count because they're not really Christian.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:19 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Roman catholics are just as christian as every other denomination. Please, don't bother with semantics on this one because it really does NOT work. Every denomination exists due to its own interpretation of the collection of myths known as the bible. Nothing more, nothing less. Their faiths are all based on the same fairy tales.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:23 am |
    • Dave

      It's immoral to put one's own moral code over God's.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:23 am |
    • Shannon

      You need to study Sharia law.....before making such a stupid comment. Then when you have finished studying – go and buy a ticket to Iran and go live there!!!

      May 22, 2012 at 2:24 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      Roman Catholics are not just like other Christians. They follow a Pope, not God.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:24 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      And other christians follow their pastors. Your point?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:25 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Shannon, do you know where muslimism came from? If you did, then you'd know the original post was justified.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:26 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      A pastor doesn't claim to be God's chosen messenger on earth. A pastor doesn't claim he has the power to absolve sins, and require everyone to call him "Father" in clear violation of scripture.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:27 am |
    • Mirosal

      Dave, you had better re-read your big book of myths .. I mean the buy-bull, and tell us just how "moral" your god is again?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:28 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Allow me to enlighten you Ambient, since you've obviously never attended a church.

      Have you ever heard of tongues and interpretation? If you haven't, I highly recommend you look it up if you really don't believe other christians don't claim to be the voice of god. You really should educate yourself before continuing on with this conversation, because you SERIOUSLY screwing yourself hard on this one.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:29 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      You've evidently got no grasp of the concept that all Christians are Priests, and no man is allowed to stand between men and God except Christ.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:31 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      You are evidently unaware that christians who speak in tongues will do so claiming to be speaking for god directly, complete with translation. You don't get out much, do you.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:33 am |
    • Shannon

      Skip the Bible – The original post is stupid and out of context.......Sharia Law is immoral.....the difference is – IT IS THE LAW!!!!!

      May 22, 2012 at 2:36 am |
    • Shannon

      Skip the Bible – Sharia Law is THE LAW!!!! Big difference

      May 22, 2012 at 2:38 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      And you are who exactly, to determine what is or isn't moral for all?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:38 am |
    • Shannon

      Oh changing the subject....now we are talking "morals".....thought we were talking about laws that allow murder..? You really need to travel more....then you would see with your own eyes – what you do not understand

      May 22, 2012 at 2:52 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Shannon, I've more than likely spent way more time in the middle east than you have.

      You're the one preaching morality.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:57 am |
  19. manda

    If you insist on living according to some backward mythology as if the progress of the last 2,000 years never happened, fine. But stop trying to hold the rest of us back along with you. Keep your archaic prejudices out of our social policies.

    May 22, 2012 at 2:10 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      I believe christians would all be better off finding a place of their own to live. I hear Mercury is a lovely planet.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:12 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      Well, they did try America. Remember it was devout Christians who ran away from England so they could be devout in America.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:14 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Uh, they were devout christians? Since when?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:17 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      Haven't you ever heard of the Pilgrims? Is your education system really that broken in the US you don't know why the USA was settled?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:18 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      I think you forget that religious oppression was one of the problems early settlers had faced, which is why they left. You know, to get the hell away from having religion force-fed. You must not be aware of what "freedom of religion" means.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:19 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Then again, based on your comment about "my education system" I can only guess that you aren't from here, so you wouldn't really know. How's Iran? I'm surprised they haven't blocked CNN over there yet.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:21 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      The Church of England, an offshoot of the Roman Catholic Church was persecuting Christians. So they exiled themselves to America.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:21 am |
    • Shannon

      Cnn – my goodness another attempt to tear down the credibility of Christians and the bible. Tenacious as you are....the issue will never be how believers have behaved.....The main issue is Gods original intention for mankind – and right through from Genesis to Jesus speaking of marriage – it is a man and a woman.....period. Our Creator defined marriage......the rest is smoke and mirrors.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:22 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      Now, now, Skip. I'm Australian. We've got a female atheism Prime Minister. And she doesn't support gay marriage. @_@

      May 22, 2012 at 2:22 am |
    • Mirosal

      Then you also need to look at the Pilgrim's view. They were trying to actively convert the Native peoples they met. They were pagans in the Pilgrims' mind. The pilgrims were hypocrites. They didn't want to be oppressed, but if THEY did the oppressing, that was fine by them.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:24 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Hint Hint, catholics are just as christian as every other christian out there. Your first mistake was to make the attempt to create lines in the sand between denominations. Please stop doing that. It doesn't work.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:24 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      Catholics are not Christians. Nuff said.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:26 am |
    • Mirosal

      Ambient ... no, the Church of England, started by Henry VIII only persecuted Catholics. But, if you decided that you wanted to be Anglican, they had no problem with that. Those were your only choices. The Reformation with Martin Luther hadn't started yet.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:26 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      Catholics are in fact christians. No need to be a fucking retard about it. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:27 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      Anglicans are only marginally better than Catholics. Church of England replaced pope with the King\Queen, and tweaked doctrine. Not much else.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:29 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      >>>"US you don't know why the USA was settled?"

      "The founding of Jamestown, America’s first permanent English colony, in Virginia in 1607 – 13 years before the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth in Massachusetts –"http://www.historyisfun.org/history-jamestown.htm

      If I am correct, there were already other trading posts in America also before the Pilgrims got here. Also, go back further and it was Columbus searching for a way to get to the Far East without having to go through the wars in the near east.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:32 am |
    • Ambient Malice

      Then there's the possibility the Chinese went there first.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:34 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      People migrated to what is now known as the United States thousands of years ago from Asia when it was connected to North America. These people were later referred to as Native Americans.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:37 am |
    • Mark From Middle River

      Skip, actually they might have migrated along the ice sheet from the coast of France. There are Clovis blades found up and down the Eastern coast that match similar blades in Western culture. Check out the Solutrean hypothesis.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:52 am |
    • Skip the Bible

      http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=199379

      May 22, 2012 at 3:00 am |
    • Nii

      AMBIENT MALICE/MIROSAL
      Puritans were Anglicans who felt their form of Anglicanism was best for the church or Pure from which we get Puritan. When the Bishops resisted n they tried to force the issue they were pushed out. They left to de American colonies to have their own form of established church.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:17 am |
    • Nii

      If u check ur history u will notice that the Puritan church was the established church where they settled and the Roman Catholics had to leave for their own colony owing to persecution.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:20 am |
    • Helena Hanbaskit

      Religion is like a penis – it's okay if you have one, and it's perfectly fine if you're proud of it, but it's not at all acceptable to wave it around in everyone's face, and you sure as hell better not try to force it on me.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:27 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Nii, regardless of who showed up here, the fact remains that your religion is yours and other people's are theirs.
      Your religion is for YOU to follow. Whatever your religion is, it has no place in the laws of this country.
      Our laws here already protect you and your religion. There is only the requirement that you respect the rights of others.
      If you don't like gay stuff, don't do gay stuff. That is up to you. You have no legal basis from which to shove your religious values into our public laws that are for everyone not just you and your religion. We all have to live together somehow.
      Keeping your religious laws out of other people's lives is the only respectful way we can live together.
      If you don't like gay marriage, don't have one. It's just that simple.

      May 22, 2012 at 3:34 am |
  20. I see through this

    You're next, shellfish eaters! Watch your back. 😀

    May 22, 2012 at 2:08 am |
    • tallulah13

      And if cotton is truly the fabric of your life, you'd better not blend it with silk or linen - otherwise it will be the fabric of your damnation!

      May 22, 2012 at 2:12 am |
    • CAPTAIN CONUNDRUM

      YOU NEED SLAVES FOR COTTON.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:13 am |
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