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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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  1. A Serpent's Thought

    God condemns sodomy by anyone who embellishes in such actions even within the rank and file of "heteralists"! Going against God's will is an Act of blasphemy and will be adjudged accordingly. The vanities of unrighteousness are as stumbling blocks to the many! The most vile vanity is sodomy! Repent before the midnnight hour does come!

    May 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Drew

      Why is an omnipotent being going around worrying about our se x lives?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • ME II

      Serpents don't speak... or type.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Get a grip, Snake Boy. Several midnights have already come and gone. The unbelievers are still here.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • RebelTexasDemocrat

      Have ya noticed how the really radical Bible thumpers like this one all speak/type like they are 1st century prophets? That's because they all have extremely low IQs and are incapable of independent and intelligent thought - they have to get their arguments directly from their Bibles and quote them verbatim because they can't write anything coherent on their own......it's really kind of funny, and even more, it's just a sad commentary on their ignorance and intolerance and hate.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      Drew it is because God is a perv and he can only get off on missionary position stuff.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • TC

      @tx dem – ever notice how liberals attack religious radicals for being bigots and wrong but feel completely justified in name calling and denigrating others intellect? Maybe you need to check your radical liberalism and find you are not much different in extremity.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Drew, "Why is an omnipotent being going around worrying about our se x lives?"

      God did establish both man and woman to be as of one flesh! The actions of the sinful sensualisms of sodomies does nothing to further civilizations' needs and such vanities of sodomy are not natural to the human conditioning!

      May 21, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Peteyroo

      Just exactly how many midnight hours have you lived thru? I have yet gotten to my midnight hour!

      May 21, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ RebelTexasDemocrat

      Post-modern Shakespearian writing is my fortay! Thanks but no thanks, I will venture along my trail of knowledge with little fan fair. For the world may not know me but my Father who knew me is now in heaven and will find favor in my writings!

      May 21, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Jesus H. Christ.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
  2. NOT MY CHAIR

    "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye"
    "There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor? "
    its a shame that people use the bible to justify their hate, it would be one thing if it was based on any type of evidence but to use a made up story to hate is even more ridiculousness. way to be good Christians and try to control others.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • EndTheHate

      Luke 6:37
      "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

      Romans 2:1
      1)You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ NOT MY CHAIR

      Control? Justify hate? Religious people control nothing of spiritual reckonings! They hate the sins of the sinfully bound!

      May 21, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
  3. DavidinVancouverWA

    Another baptist preacher:

    http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/nc-pastor-wants-to-build-electrified-fence-to-contain-starve-and-ultimately-kill-gays-video.html#.T7p1OOd_G5c.facebook

    May 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
  4. TC

    Best article on the subject to date and surprised CNN published it – so kudos to them for a view that is all encompassing. LBGs can have unions and the religious rite has no say over the governemnent allowing htem to union and get the tax break – LBGT agenda just needs to quit pushing for equivalency in sacramental marriage. If LBG would just go with government union then the religious would back off.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Drew

      If the government didn't privilege "sacramental marriage" over civil unions this wouldn't be an issue

      May 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • NOT MY CHAIR

      lol best article because it supports your silly ideals about how others should live their lives

      May 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • TC

      Exactly – govermnet should prefer marriage over unions but the religious have every right to defend sacramental marriage. Article does not state my belief exactly but does a good job of dismissing the nut jobs who twist the bible for their own purposes

      May 21, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • BRC

      @TC,
      There is a difference between Marriage (a legal contract controlled by the state), and Sacremental Marriage (a ceremony controlled by a church). Noone is claiming that sacremental marriages have to recognize same gender marriages, we're saying the state does. The church (any of them), shouldn't have any say in this converstaion.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • TC

      Oops – I menat that i agree with you – the goverment should NOT prefer marriage over unions.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      Oh is that why North Carolina banned civil unions for all people? I guess they would have been very pleased to let gays have a civil union. Whoops, nevermind.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • TC

      @BRC – the religious organizations are never going to accept unions under the word "marriage" since it is not considered secular. Marriage has a historical and religious definition of mana and woman. LBGs are going to have to accept "union" or this convo will never end. I'm just stating the facts not just my personal opinon.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      C'mon, TC. The things you like should be lawful and encouraged while the things you don't like are outlawed and condemned? How very convenient for you.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • TC

      @ Peter – your point? I think LBGs shold be allowed to get tax breaks too – very un American to let LBGs be in a higher tax bracket.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • BRC

      @TC-
      Religions claim they own the word, but they don't. It didn't originate in any one religion, and the oldest form of all of the Abrahamic religions allowed for if not encouraged polygamous marriages. The idea of two people contractually, emotionally, and spiritually bonding to one another in their lives long existed outside of any one religion. Claims don't make truth. It doesn't matter if the Christian churches don't like it, they have no grounds to stand against it.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • TC

      @BRC – I hear you but if you look at the reality of the situation, no one is ever going ot convince religions thats mariage is not a sacred bond between man and woman.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Surviving the World

      @TC

      Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you're missing the central idea of the ongoing debate. LGBT's aren't asking for churches to recognize their right to get a marriage in a church. What they do want however is the same exact rights as a hetero person has when they do get married. Now, if everyone, regardless of orientation for a union with specific liberties but it was only churches that refused to do a ceremony then that would be that and there's not a lot, on a legal level, that anyone can or should be able to do about it (free speech does go both ways). But even the idea that the government would have two different types of marriage, one for LGBT and another for hetero's seems awfully like a "separate but equal" measure which we all know now was ridiculous.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • BRC

      @TC,
      Sad but probably true.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Surviving the World

      Not to mention, there are churches, synagogues and other spiritual temples out there that perform marriage rituals for LGBT's already, which means that religion does have the wiggle room to be able to change, even if it won't be a sweeping change or happen any time soon, but I have to believe that hopefully one day many religions will realize that peaching love for your fellow man and peace actually involves loving your fellow man and having peace.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • DeTamble

      Fail.
      Its the rich religious right wingers (christians)
      trying to get legislation passed to prevent gays from marrying.
      See North Carolina.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  5. HappyMadison

    Why would a perfect, all-knowing God create imperfect people who would write a book that everyone is supposed to live by – but can be interpreted in so many different ways? I get different answers if I ask an Evangelical, a Catholic, a Wesleyan, or a Morman. Really makes you wonder.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • TC

      God allows the free will and that sure does screw up quite a bit. That's why we have ot work hard to understand and love one another. The porblem humanity faces is that people let hate drive them when others do what they dont like – that is the true message of Christianity – loving what you don't like or appreciate.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • NOT MY CHAIR

      what should confuse you even more is that god used to be vengeful and now hes loving... flipping on topics isn't really all knowing

      May 21, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • HappyMadison

      @TC – I have a question about free will. God is omnipotent – all knowing. If God is all-knowing and has a plan laid out from the beginning of time – how can we choose to do something that was not something that God already knew we would choose? If our actions are free, doesn't that mean that there are things that God cannot know?

      May 21, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Bible Clown©

      You can major-brown the Bible a thousand different ways. There is no correct interpretation, just ones that give you power over believers.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
  6. jayh

    The bible is fiction.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • sudarsha

      "jayh

      The bible is fiction."

      Can't say I disagree, although it is useful fiction, helpful fiction, sometimes even intelligent fiction. It was written by people who were not far from being barbarians (just read those juicy "baby-dashing" Psalms!). So, if we want to be the same kind of barbarians, let's get on with all that dashing. But, if we've heard any of the intelligent bits, lets just move on, take what is intelligent, useful and humanitarian. Let's love and not hate one another, first.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  7. Sao

    God gives you your choice and He'll show you why you don't want that you got! You reap what you sow....watch!!

    May 21, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • HappyMadison

      But God is omnipotent right? Doesn't he know what you will choose – before you are even created? Who did the sowing?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
  8. sudarsha

    Jesus said to love one another. I don't recall him or Moses saying anything about sticking your nose in other people's business; just to be clear on this point, Jesus mentioned something about the speck in someone else's eye and how much more important it was to get whatever it was in your own eye out!

    Christian narcissism, that holier-than-thou approach to not minding your own business, is one of the things that is destroying whatever it was Jesus was trying to do.

    We might sincerely ask: what was Jesus trying to accomplish and how does that apply to me alone.

    Seems to me that if we clean up our own act, that is the real good news and it will spread all on its own.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • GauisCaesar

      Not sure what you are talking about here! It is every Americans responsibility to vote come time to vote. People simply voted for what they believed in.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
  9. Mike Scott

    The Bible does not dictate civil rights. Religion has no place in government. If you want to thump your Bible, do it behind your church doors.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • GauisCaesar

      That is not the point! The point is people will vote the way people want to vote, since this is a free country. One cannot just throw off their beliefs when they flip a ballot switch, just as I'm sure you cannot dawn Christian beliefs to attend a school. That would be hypocrisy!

      May 21, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "That is not the point! The point is people will vote the way people want to vote, since this is a free country. "

      Marriage has been declared a civil right by the U S Supreme Court. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured." Which is why gays deserve to have the same equal civil rights as straights.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
  10. Jeff

    Mark
    10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 10:10 And in the house his disciples asked him again of the same matter. 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
    Romans
    1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • DPGW

      LUCAS 1.1 A long time ago in a galaxy far far away...

      May 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • EndTheHate

      Romans 2:1
      1)You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."

      You left out number 23 which shows they were worshiping a pagan god using sex. By the way being gay has been proven to be totally natural and normal so that scripture has NOTHING to do with what we now know and understand about gays TODAY.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
  11. Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

    Wait, I thought God was unchanging. Isn't that what all you people say? So God thought that shellfish and clothes with two different fabrics were an abomination to him before but now they aren't? I'm a little confused because that sounds like the definition of change to me.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Shara

      No, God does not change. Shellfish are bottom feeders and God advised us not to eat them because the consumption thereof will make us sick and shorten our lives. Wearing clothing that is not 100% (blended fabrics) cause the sweat to "stick" to the skin and does not allow it to evaporate into the air. But God is a God of choice. So He lets us choose to do things that are not in our best interest. He just wants us to know what to do to prolong our lives in the healthiest way possible. It is not a sin to eat shellfish or wear clothes of different materials. Those are statutes, not commandments.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • jimmytwoshoes

      Thank you. Men are changing, definitions are changing (original words were "detestable" not "sinful"). God can inspire the writings, man is still faulty in convictions when interpreting.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Nurse143

      the were Levitical laws, and Jesus came to redeem us from the law.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      Shara, they were definitely commands in the Old Testament. Clearly God thought there was something very wrong with them. But now they are okay. He saw fit to make sure that nobody engaged in eating shellfish or wears clothes of two different two different fabrics or they would be punished. Now all of a sudden he just doesn't care. That is the definition of change.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      Nurse, maybe I should slow it down for you.
      Old Testament > Shellfish bad
      New Testament > Shellfish good

      Do you notice a difference in the two?
      If you can't see that God changed his view on it... then you will never get it.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Nurse143

      God didn't change – he always wanted to have people keep from sin – the Levitical laws were the rules no man could keep which is why a savior was necessary to redeem us from sin.

      May 21, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • DeTamble

      **** Nurse143

      God didn't change – he always wanted to have people keep from sin – the Levitical laws were the rules no man could keep which is why a savior was necessary to redeem us from sin.
      ----------------------------------------------------
      Levitical laws were the rules no man could keep ?
      Jesus was crucified for shelfish ?
      Nutz.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  12. Michael

    If you have to ask then your in trouble. If you don't know the answer then your of the world a part take --we are not of that world we are not into the fleash you are and this is why you ask the question. It is not in you power to understand the answer.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • QS

      I'd say it's in nobody's power to understand your comment!

      May 21, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Cunning Stunts

      What ?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  13. Huebert

    It sickens me to read an argument like this. Many, many, people do not believe in the fiction that this man calls holy writ. It's fine that he believes in his favorite flavor of mythology but to support legislation that calls for others to be bound by the laws of his holy book is desp.icable. Who gave him the write to tell two, or three, or fifteen CONSENTING ADULTS, (sorry about the caps I'm just trying to kill the slippery slope argument early) that they cannot enter into a marriage contract. No one is asking him to preform the service or even approve of it, but to use a gun, for laws are nothing more than a threat of force, to try and stop them is wrong.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Holly in CA

      It is when people use the Bible to justify ho mose xuality that really bothers me. Have you been reading the CNN posts the past week? If they want to justify it on different terms, that's their choice, but when they use the Bible which clearly condemns this practice, to excuse their behavior it is not right.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Drew

      listen Holly, ANY book can be made to say what you want it to say. That's simply a literary fact, and it's as true for the bible as for any work of literature

      May 21, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • QS

      "It is when people use the Bible to justify ho mose xuality that really bothers me."

      It's when people use the bible to justify ANYTHING that bothers me!

      May 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Steve

      Not to mention, everyone knows the new testament is merely a rewrite to eliminate some of the pesky and difficult rules and obligations that were set forth initially.

      I just dont get it....a book that reads like Aesops Fables with people, written thousands of years ago (and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten....) all by man, a creature who can never demonstrate an ability to separate their doings with their own self-interest which would be a requirement for a holy text, no? And yet, a large group believe it all really happened without a shred of evidence because IN THE BOOK, it says evidence is not needed...convenient.

      Religious texts/religion in general (there are some exceptions of course) is nothing more than a tool one group uses to suppress/oppress/persecute another group. There is very little good religion does when compared to the evil and hate it has inflicted on humanity as a whole.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "It is when people use the Bible to justify ho mose xuality that really bothers me. Have you been reading the CNN posts the past week? If they want to justify it on different terms, that's their choice, but when they use the Bible which clearly condemns this practice, to excuse their behavior it is not right."

      There are thousands of gay churches, there are gay clergy and even the pope has state that being gay as we know and understand it today is NOT a sin. Only prejudice bigots read sexual orientation into the scriptures. Nowhere in your bible does your god condemn the saved loving relationship of a gay couple as we know and understand it TODAY. Your bible does condemn male prostitution, idolatry and worshiping a pagan god using sex.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Scott

      Holly, if you wish to believe and follow completely in the New Testament, then please do not forget 1 Timothy 2:12 – "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

      May 21, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • EndTheHate

      Holly in CA

      "Greatly beloved were you to me; your love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women."
      2 Samuel 1:26.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Cunning Stunts

      Holly, i dont have to justify anything.
      Keep your bible out of my freaking bedroom.
      Pretty clear, huh ?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
  14. vicarkatz

    Well, spoken like a good southern Baptist. Or rather interpreted as one. the entire article is written as inclusive of everyone who claims to be Christian. How grandiose is that? His ego seems to have goten in his way. Yes, he did point out that early chrisitans valued freedom. However, he did not point out that in New Testament letters, slaves are told to obey their masters, a tacit approval of the continuance of slavery. C'mon Albert Mohler, stop playing Bible Roulette. You are capable of better research than this.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
  15. the sonman

    The poles tell us that 72% of Americans call themselves Christian. Then asked 2 more qualifying questions and that persentage drops to 19%. Then asked 2 more questions and it drops to 9%. And in that 9% you will find that this whole topic is a mute issue, because we know where we stand and we know that when you try to legislate morallity it will never work. So many promote the so-called seperation of church and state yet they too would like to pick and choose what works for their own aganda. Why does our government regulate like it does? Let them have their free will... Call it "Civil Union" or "Partnership" or anything else other than "Marriage" ( that's a religious term) and give them their tax breaks and insurance. What is so dificult about that... For those 63% who call themselves Christian get on with your hypocritical lifes. And for the rest of those who are sick and tried of those like the 63% vote them out and let's get on with life!

    May 21, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • QS

      "Call it "Civil Union" or "Partnership" or anything else other than "Marriage" (that's a religious term) and give them their tax breaks and insurance. What is so dificult about that..."

      It's not difficult....it's also not true equality.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Cunning Stunts

      The word marriage once meant a contract between two parties.
      It evolved.
      We cant have that, can we ?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
  16. Holly in CA

    Excellent article!!!

    May 21, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  17. MK

    Christians think that what their book says is relevant to marriage. A marraige in the church means nothing. It is only a marraige through a civil marrriage service.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Holly in CA

      a marriage in the church means everything to those of faith

      May 21, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
  18. Dave F.

    Christianity shouldn't have any say in making national laws. No religion should.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • Charles

      What should be used in making laws? Should people not have a belief system that they choose? If i believe in the Bible and what it stands for shouldn't I want the world to reflect my beliefs? I find it funny how many people think that because they disagree with the Bible they say that nobody should base their moral decisions on it, but rather base it on the ideas that nonbelievers have. I think that when people vote they should vote for what they believe.

      May 24, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ Charles – so you want our laws to be based on your bible?

      Your bible forbids eating meat and dairy together. Will it now be illegal for McDonald's to serve cheeseburgers?

      Your bible forbids eating (or touching) pork. Will it now be illegal to eat baby-back ribs?

      Your bible forbids eating shellfish. Will Red Lobster be forced to close?

      Your bible demands that women who are not virgins on their wedding night to be stoned to death. When does this new law take effect.

      Your bible requires that unruly children be killed. Will this new law require it be done individually, or can we wait until we have a whole group to stone?

      Your bible requires that young unengaged virgins who are ràped, must marry their ràpists and never divorce. How come this isn't a national law yet?

      Your bible demands that you go and kill gay people. How many have you personally killed so far?

      May 24, 2012 at 9:45 am |
  19. The Angry American

    The bible (a book written by men) also says thou shall not kill but more lives have been lost due to the bible and a "god" that hasnt "spoken" to anyone in how long? People are just using this as an excuse to stop a group from reaching happiness. Also the bible is based on a religion that started only 2000 years ago, there a stone python in Batswana that was worshiped 70,000 years ago so get off your high horse and drop the issue, chruch and state are seperate for a reason, to provide everyone with an equal chance at happiness. No one has the right to tell religious people who or what they can worship which in turn leaves them with zero right to tell people if they can or cannot get married because some book tells them its right or wrong. How would you feel if I wrote a book telling you that saying the name god was punishable by inprisonment or being set on fire in a public place so that everyone was allowed to point and laugh? You wouldnt so stop sighting religion on an issue that is the right of everyone reguardless of gender relations.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • Holly in CA

      the Bible...a book written by prophets and apostles, copied and translated by men

      May 21, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • Bernie

      Wrong pinhead...shows how clueless you bigots against christianity are.....Men did NOT write the Bible....The Bible is God's word, not mans....men penned it....but God is the author. Until you left wing anti- christion, christophobic, horrific immoral bigots understand that...you will continue to show your ignorance in your rants.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • Don

      So many who don't get it. So sad, actually. That's why the gate to Hell is wide.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • QS

      LOL! So those who "penned" the bible were simply ancient transcriptionists!? LMAO!

      May 21, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Keith

      Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
      killing and committing murder are two different things.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Don

      The Greek word "agnostic" means without knowledge. The Roman equivalent is ignoramus. How fitting.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If heaven is full of stupid gits like you, Don, I'd rather be in Philadelphia.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Squosh

      Actually, Holly, that's not true. The stories in the bible were verbally spread, and eventually written down after they had been handed down a couple of generations. Then, it was translated through multiple languages and versions. Then you get the copy, one of many versions, that you but off the shelf today. Those are not the words of God, or at least no man has the right to claim they are. It is people like you who are ignorant of history, that cause the great debates over religion. Educate yourself on the subject. It is possible to be knowledgeable of history, and a Christian at the same time. Give it a try...

      May 21, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Michael

      @Bernie, Objectively, since all were "penned" by men, the Koran is the word of Allah as equally as the OT is the word of Yaweh and the NT is the word of Christ. Objectively, how can you tell which is correct, or are they all right?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Steve

      Don would tell you...ghandi is in hell, along with Hitler and Mao, so is Mother Theresa if you heard how she spoke in the last years of her work....In the eyes of god, their sins are all equal....

      Dons going to hell, he just doesnt know it yet. Unless he is a cheater, you know, the do anything you want, get forgiven on sunday types...but everyone knows they are just shadows of humans, playing a game until they die and then what? Blackness? Heaven, hell? To believe that you know anything about the afterlife is pure human hubris...a sin if there is one, right?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "the Bible...a book written by prophets and apostles, copied and translated by men"

      That should read copied and translated by prejudice men since a bias and prejudice scribe added the word homosexual to Corinthians when it really was talking about male prostitution.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Bernie. Stop with the ignorance, stupidity, and hatred. Go back to school and finish the Third Grade.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      Don, I hate to see you so confused. Ease up on the condemnations. Why would an atheist fear hell? If there is a hell, it's here on earth. Why else would clear-headed, intelligent atheists have to live surrounded by hateful, bigoted Christians?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • buddhacatmac

      Bernie, if God helped men pen his word, then why were so many of his books destroyed by the very same men who partake in Christian beliefs? Why can we not read the Gospel of Mary Magdaline? What about the full teachings from the Gospel of Thomas? If those books, and many more, were from the mouth of God to man's hands, then why were they destroyed? These books provided inspiration and insight into Christianity yet it is the hypocrisy of the Christian faith that destroyed this once available knowledge. Sounds to me like it is man who is running and filtering Christianity...man trying to twist and shape only what he wants and believes and not the truth, the righteous path that God and Jesus set out for man to follow.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Cunning Stunts

      *** Bernie

      Wrong pinhead...shows how clueless you bigots against christianity are.....Men did NOT write the Bible....The Bible is God's word, not mans....men penned it....but God is the author. Until you left wing anti- christion
      ----------------------------------------------

      And so, God called for his secretary to sit and take some notes.
      And the bible was born.
      Do you still color outside the lines ?

      May 22, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  20. Keith

    One thing that amazes me is how this article will have 2 or 3 thousand comments in a few days. It really brings the h0m0's and their supporters out of the woodwork in an attempt to defend their deviant sinful behavior. Pathetic really.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Why don't you just take a stick and whack the hornets' nest

      A men.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • tkogrady

      judge not, lest ye be judged yourself

      May 21, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • GodPot

      What amazes me is that there are still people who think discrimination and hate are acceptable lifestyle choices in this day and age. You can choose whether or not to be an assh.ole, you don't get to choose whether or not you are gay.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • birch please

      Or those who understand precedents and are concerned with civil liberties.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • clinky

      "deviant sinful behavior"

      Baby try her strap-on yet?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • ThaGerm

      Pathetic you say? Maybe go to ANY OTHER ARTICLE that attacks the church and watch all of you scurry around defending it, but I suppose you have a convenient reason that is different and just. Yes, pathetic is a great word for it.

      I am not gay, but I don't believe in fairy tales either. No, I just call it as I see it and try very hard not to judge others as you have done. Hey, doesn't the bible also say something about judging people? Oh, that doesn't apply here? Funny how that works right?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • Keith

      GodPot, Why don't you have me arrested and imprisoned for "hate speech", then?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • momoya

      It took a lot of discussion and commenting beffoer sl a very was abolished, too.. You'd have been against those discussion as well, I take it, for the same bigoted reason as you display now, right?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Keith

      Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

      May 21, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Keith

      momoya, I mean no offense here, so don't take this the wrong way but English isn't your first language is it?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Jeff

      tkogrady

      judge not, lest ye be judged yourself

      In christian rightoness, Dont let your acceptance of sins block out what gods will and bible tell us. Read the whole scripture .

      Mathew
      Chapter 7
      7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
      7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
      7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
      7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
      7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • MikeH

      What's pathetic is blindly following words written by man in the bronze age. People really think that is the most intelligent way to go about life? The more defenses I read for ignorant discrimination, the less respect I have for religion. Stop hiding behind a god and own your decisions people. The decision is in the actions you take, not to whom you attribute the direction.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Keith

      (not such a)tkogrady,
      Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather gra.pes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

      Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

      Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

      Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

      Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
      Sounds like judging to me there, tko?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • momoya

      @Keith

      You're judging my skills with the English language because my finger slipped and I made one typo?? The dashes between some letters allow me to post words that the filter would not allow.. I've seen horrible grammar and spelling in many of CNN's articles, also.. Rash judgments are really your thing, huh?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • GodPot

      @Keith – I can tell by your ignorance and hate that you will neither be missed or remembered when you and all the other bigots grow old and die, for the new generation see's you as we did the slave owners of the past. A sad and shameful period of our history that some would like to forget while others know that we are fated to repeat it if we do.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • tkogrady

      yes, Keith, I admit – you sound like you're well versed on judging fruits – tell me, is this based on personal experience?

      May 21, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Keith

      momoya, I was simply wondering if you were a foreigner like Muneef or a couple of others that frequent this site. If that was the case I would keep that in mind when reading your posts-but in your case, you're just a hot-headed punk.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
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