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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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  1. MarkinFL

    Also, when I see the same Christians that battle h.omose.xuality start to battle divorce with equal vehemence then I will start to believe that they are trying to be true to their religions teachings on marriage.
    Otherwise they are just a bunch of whining hypocrites.

    May 25, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Gman

      @ markinfl , personally i'm more tough on marriage than being gay. but that's not my aim. only to preach christ.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      So, Gman, I'm currently re-writing a script about man's first contact with an extraterrestrial human life form. And, this I believe, there ARE other humans populating the far reaches of space. So, am I putting Satanic ideas into people's heads by espousing my personal belief in intelligent life elsewhere in the universe? Is Earth all there is?
      Just curious.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
  2. GALACTICA_CAG

    The more I read Gman's prattle, the funnier it gets. I mean it, his posts are so hilarious, I nearly spew my macchiatto.

    Y'know, I'm halfway convinced he's a member of Anonymous posting here "for the lulz."

    May 25, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • Gman

      @ so are your spots, some people never will change them. i don't know if your gay or why you feel the need
      to bash crhistians but there will be a judgement and ever word will be judged. i don't think you'll think it's funny
      then.
      " there will be weaping and nashing of teeth "

      May 25, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Gman, do you read anything other than the Bible? Like Heinlein or Asimov?

      May 25, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • Gman

      @ yes but i could care less about someone who just wants to mock god purposely ! you will get exactly what you
      are asking for and have no excuse when you meet christ. so have a good time with satan while you can.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Gman, you ever watch Star Trek? Gene Roddenberry liked to use science fiction to teach lessons. It's called didactic science fiction. One of his lessons was that mankind has no more need for gods. We can become gods ourselves.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Oh dear, big scary demon.

      Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: For I am the meanest son-of-bitc.h in the valley.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      And, as for meeting Christ in the manner you describe, as I mentioned before, I've talked with celebrity psychic medium James Van Praagh. He says the afterlife isn't like that.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:33 am |
    • MarkinFL

      And I thought everyday was Christmas in heaven and you can eat deep fried Oreos forever without getting fat.

      If that ain't true then I want nothing to do with it.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      @Markin: OMG! I had that on a blacklight poster back in the 70's!

      May 25, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • MarkinFL

      I can't help it. I'm a traditionalist.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Gman

      @ galactic_cag, in the old testament they put diviners or psychics to death. it's considered witchcraft. so you
      worship your master satan and i'll stick with the lord and we'll see who wins on judgement day. i'm sure
      praig in his self centered ego thinks he's greater than JESUS CHRIST.

      to bad for him that he or satan isn't . and both will pay the price for their witchcraft. you might as
      well go play with tarot cards.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • Bet

      Gman, your posts are so riddled with first grade spelling and grammar mistakes that it would be difficult to take you seriously even if your subject matter made sense.

      Really, "weaping" and "nashing"? You can't even spell christians correctly half the time.

      One question. You mentioned the verse about leopard changing his spots (Jer.13:23). Is that why Jesus has his big kitty shampoo salon in the sky?

      May 25, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Okay, Gman, I'll admit I got on the bandwagon of bashing. My bad. But, if I'm going to Hell, so's everybody in Hollywood. We toil our @$$es off to entertain you. Be thankful we do! It's not all glamorous, some of have to work hard and not get paid the big bucks!

      May 25, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • MarkinFL

      And he believes in witchcraft! Wow...

      You do know that galactic was just messing with you and no more believes in psychics than any other superti.tious claptrap. Right?

      May 25, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Jen

      I agree Bet. If going to Heaven means I'm going to be surrounded with people as uneducated as Gman I'll take Hell any day of the week.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • Gman

      @ galactica_cag, you assume that just because i profess my faith in christ that i'm out to bash gays or judge
      someone like ghandi. i'm not. the only thing i am out to do is profess my faith in christ and

      the fact he died on the cross for who so ever shall believe. How hard is that.

      JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS , AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      he will meet you just as you are if you call on his name.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Really, the option seems to be between two flavors of hell. And all these far right wing-nuts leave a pretty bad flavor.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:52 am |
  3. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    May 25, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • Bet

      No, it doesn't, because I keep praying for you to stop posting this over and over. On every blog.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • Gman

      @ bet , sorry satan can't answer your prayers on that one.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven and accurate.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Bet

      Silly gman, I don't pray to satan. I pray to Al Franken. Sometimes Bill Maher.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • Jen

      Strange how my children are being raised by me (an agnostic) and yet are the most intelligent, beautiful and kind children ever to have been born. Any bible thumper could only dream to have children as wonderful as mine!

      May 25, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      Jen, didn't you know your kids are the DEVIL!

      May 25, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • Bet

      Raising your children to be able to make intelligent decisions for themselves based on facts is infinitely preferable to teaching them to fear some sky boogie man who watches their every move.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • Jen

      Ha ha Jacques – love the Christians who are like, 'we love you and we don't judge but you know your sweet children are going to hell right?'

      May 25, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  4. Gman

    @ bet , you obviously don't know anything about jesus christ or the bible. if you did you wouldn't blasphemy
    against the holy spirit. but that's your choice. you people ask me to judge another human being like
    ghandi and i'm smart enought not to do it. however if you tell me you reject jesus christ personaly then
    i will tell you that you are in danger of hell. but i won't judge someone else for you. speak for your
    own behavior , the bible teaches us not to gossip and ghandi's life good or bad is not my place to judge.

    May 25, 2012 at 5:37 am |
    • Bet

      But it's okay for you to judge gays and work to deny their civil rights. You can judge the living, and make their lives hell on earth. You're quick to tell everyone here how they should be living, but you refuse to stand behind your doctrine and give a simple yes or no answer to a direct question about a dead man.

      Besides, I asked for an opinion, not a judgement.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Gman

      @ bet , your the one who is judging everyone else. just because i believe the bible and might think that
      being gay is not gods perfect will for your life doesn't mean i'm your judge. i said it once , michael would
      not rail a slanderous accusation against satan of all people in the book of jude. that's speaks to judging
      someone. i can judge satan because he is now judged. the word of god says hell is his home.
      ghandi may or may not be saved. only jesus knows. your lifestyle isn't what saves or sends you to hell.
      it's your rejection of christ and his work on the cross. no one can be saved by being good or the law.
      the gift is free. my faith doesn't allow me to judge others salvation and speaks against it. so don't ask
      me to break a commdment from the lord.

      JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS. it's that simple. being gay has nothing to do with it. all have sinned.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • Bet

      I haven't judged anyone except the time I was on jury duty. If you believe that your lifestyle isn't what sends you to heaven or hell, then you should have enough confidence in that to leave gay people alone and let them have the same civil rights as you and I enjoy.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Bet

      You're making a lot of assumptions there. I have studied the bible in several languages over 50 years. I was a catholic for 25 years (although I know protestants don't think that counts) and a born again christian for another 25 years. I know all about the blood, the baptism in the spirit, god's judgement, and I can discuss it from dawn to dark. I understand christian doctrine.

      It's so funny to me that christians automatically think I've never read the bible just because I don't subscribe to their beliefs about it.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
  5. Gman

    @ 8362 – or do you think you are superior to the apostle paul like the supposed super apostles and false apostles ?

    May 25, 2012 at 5:29 am |
    • Primewonk

      Paul was a misogynistic, hômophobic, idiot. Hell yes I'm a better person than he was.

      May 25, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! IT'S SUPER APOSTLE!

      May 25, 2012 at 9:23 am |
    • Bet

      I wonder what the super apostles costumes are like.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  6. Gman

    @ n8362 your place is probably in hell for perverting the gospel of grace. paul speaks clearly to this in
    galations 5:1-12. the law saves no one. only grace through faith.

    May 25, 2012 at 5:27 am |
    • Bet

      I thought you said you don't judge anyone. But here you are clearly telling someone that they are going to hell. Make up your mind.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
  7. Gman

    @ hawaii guest , you said i turned my back on the faith about 8 years ago. if you didn't believe then you never
    had faith. the way you stated it is as if you once believed. evidently that is not the case. so if you never
    believed then if you don't have christ i would say you are apart from god. i still cannot speak to your
    question because only god can judge the heart. but if you are a christian and believe in jesus christ
    you would say so. salvation is ultimately gods judgment as to who has truly accepted him. the scripture says
    many will say to me lord lord did we not heal the sick and cast out demons in your name. the jesus said
    i tell you that i will respond i never knew you. so people can seek to decieve others about their faith
    but on that day no doubt will remain as to who's saved and not.

    May 25, 2012 at 5:03 am |
    • myweightinwords

      It is disparaging, at best, to pass judgment on another person's faith journey, particularly when you do not know the person.

      I have also been told I obviously never truly believed, or that I was never fully Christian because I walked away...however unless the person passing that judgment was living inside of me, knew my heart, knew my thoughts...it is impossible for them to know what I believed.

      I think that it is a convenient way of dismissing those who once believed but no longer do. It soothes your own doubts and allows you to pity that person, which is not the same as loving them.

      May 25, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Gman

      @ myweightinwords, YOU ARE WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you read earlier passages i spoke to this matter

      and gave full understanding of a persons doubts and having anguish or anger. i understand fully.

      the reason this response is written to this person is because he admitted he was trying to get me

      to say something that i told him i would not. first he said he walked away from the faith

      8 years ago then he said he only said that to get an answer about something else. go back

      and read earlier conversations. i would never judge someone unless they were

      purposely being decietful as earlier conversations were. please read the passages.

      May 25, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • myweightinwords

      I am speaking directly to your words. You said:

      if you didn't believe then you never had faith. the way you stated it is as if you once believed. evidently that is not the case.

      Now, I may be reading this wrong, but it implies heavily that you believe that no "true believer" can ever walk away from the faith and if a person DOES walk away from the faith, then they clearly never really believed.

      My comment had nothing to do with hawaiiguest and the conversation you had with him, or whether or not you believe he was being deceitful.

      May 25, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • Gman

      @ my weightinwords, YOU ARE STILL WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! those words are explicitly to that person

      who was being decietful. they are not to anybody else. he tested me and in the same way i wrote something

      to mock his words. those words are not written to anyone else. so do not take them personaly.

      as i said you need to read the prior conversations , go back to my response to bet which starts out

      " @ bet , getting back to your question on 91 " , read through those and you will see why i said

      what i did. it in no way is met for you and your right , unless you have walked in someones shoes

      you don't know.

      BUT YOU ARE WRONG IN TAKING THESE WORDS PERSONALY. PLEASE READ THE PRIOR BLOGS

      AND YOU WILL SEE WHY I WROTE WHAT I DID.

      May 25, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • J.W

      Man you are taking what she said pretty hard lol

      May 25, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • myweightinwords

      Please don't yell at me. If my questions anger you, I apologize. I only seek to clarify what you wrote.

      You said, those words are explicitly to that person who was being decietful. they are not to anybody else. he tested me and in the same way i wrote something to mock his words. those words are not written to anyone else. so do not take them personaly. as i said you need to read the prior conversations "

      So, I am to take from this that you find it acceptable to answer deceit with deceit, or even perceived deceit with deceit?

      How then are we to take anything you say as meaningful?

      Regardless of the previous conversation, your words are careless and willful deceit is even more so.

      I have not sought to bait you or deceive you. My faith journey has taken me from evangelical Christian to Pagan over the course of many years and through much study and education on faith and religion. I am curious if you, like many others, would negate my spiritual journey by insinuating that I simply did not believe...or did not believe enough, or what exactly you would attribute as the reason for my departure from that faith.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • myweightinwords

      @Gman,

      And for what it is worth, I wasn't taking anything personally. I was making a comment on a comment on an article on an internet site.

      Perhaps if my observations have caused you an emotional response, it might be a moment to examine why.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Gman

      @ myweightinwords, i told you i would not do that to you. but everybody says things for different reasons
      and i cannot make it any clearer that conversation was addressed to that person. he wanted me to
      judge someone , specifically ghandi as to whether i believed he was saved or went to hell. if you read
      the previous passages you will see that i wouldn't do it. then he lied about walking away from the faith
      8 years ago. so in essence i only spoke what was true of him , " NOT YOU " ,

      May 25, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • Gman

      @ myweightinwords, he then said that he only said that to see if i would judge him. so he lied about ever
      having faith in the first place. so what i said to him specifically was true. he never had faith in the
      first place. so i called him on his statement because he tried to test me on both his salvation which
      admittedly he never believed and also on ghandi who i would never judge.

      so in addressing this person there is no lie involved.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • myweightinwords

      I thought I was being clear in turning the discussion away from your previous conversations with others so that you and I could engage in a (hopefully) meaningful dialog regarding the nature of faith and the effects of doubt and education on faith. I was rather hoping you would engage in civilized discourse from which we might both come away with new understanding of one another.

      I apologize again if something I said caused you discomfort. I encourage you to look to your heart and speak out of love. Disparaging others does nothing to further ones cause and does little but to derail a conversation. May the gods of your understanding bring you blessings.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • Gman

      @ mywieghtinwords, agreed, but please go back and read about father flannigan and the passage about job.
      in those you will see my words express a kindred understanding of people having " doubt , anguish or
      anger " at god. if you read those you will see that i tried to reach out to this person and told him i would
      never judge someong like that. that's what they tried to get me to do. so please don't feel i'm mad at you
      i'm not at all. but it's important that you see how understanding i was till he admittedly told me he was
      lying to me. that's not a sincere conversation and i responded to him in kind. i wouldn't to say it again
      judge you. i don't know what your sorrows or hurts are. if you read the prior passages you will see
      that i spoke to that and everyone carries different scars. your walk spiritually is between you and the
      lord. when you need encouragment and ask then hopefully people will be there to help. and that's what
      i would wish for anyone who's sincere.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • myweightinwords

      @Gman,

      Perhaps I am naive to think that one can respond to others who hurt or deceive us with sincerity and honesty, to chose to NOT take it personally, to respond out of a place of understanding and personal commitment to peace.

      Peace between people is never won by sword. I happen to also believe that the best witness to my faith and what I believe is to live my life fully in accordance with my faith.

      I understand that you felt deceived, perhaps angry even. Did your response in anger garner the reaction you wanted? I think it did not, judging by your earliest responses to me. All it did was help you to foster that anger inside of you, to cradle the hurt as if it were something precious.

      I have read the previous conversations, in fact, I had read them before my first comment to you. You assume much when you assume that you know what another knows, a mentor of mine used to tell me. Let go of the hurt and move through the anger. Perhaps take a moment to meditate on a particular piece of scripture. When I was still Christian, one I often turned to when I was angered was "Be still and know that I am God".

      May 25, 2012 at 11:34 am |
  8. n8362

    @Gman, you still have not answered this question: did you read Matthew 5:17-19? The text is below. There is no confusion, Jesus makes it very clear that the Mosaic Law stays in place.

    Matthew 5:17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

    18: For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

    19: Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

    May 25, 2012 at 4:15 am |
    • n8362

      So by setting aside the Law and teaching others accordingly, you will be, and I quote Jesus here, "called least in the kingdom of heaven."

      The verses in Galations you quoted earlier talk about what is needed for salvation, and that is it. Jesus never repealed the Law but upheld it. According to the Bible Gandhi is burning in hell and Christians like Hitler can murder millions of people and still have salvation. We understand your insane rules of salvation. That does not mean Jesus is cool with mass murder, even according to your Bible.

      Unless you uphold all those ridiculous rules you have no Biblical excuse to deny same sеx marriage as a civil right.

      So for the fifth time, did you read the Matthew verses above where Jesus makes it perfectly clear the insane Mosaic Law stays? It takes about 30 seconds to read. Can you answer this?

      May 25, 2012 at 4:31 am |
    • Bet

      No, he can't. All he can do is blather non-answers. He doesn't have the capacity to form an opinion or thought of his own. Anything that he says is just a regurgitation of something he heard in church.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:42 am |
  9. Bet

    I'm laughing so hard that I'm crying. My sides hurt. Leopard cleansing, priceless.

    May 25, 2012 at 3:57 am |
    • Bet

      Oops, I was laughing so hard I posted this in the wrong place.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:01 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      I know, right? I laughed so hard, my stomach hurt!

      May 25, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • Gman

      you know whats funny , in the old testament there is a scripture about a leopard not being able to change his
      spots and with all things god is possible. yes leprocy can be healed also. but the point is a sinner can be
      cleansed and can change his spots. like i said you seem to know nothing of christ. so as much as you say
      you know all about being saved. obviously you know less than nothing. i guess you missed that scripture
      and don't know what it means.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Ummmmm...Gman, you made a comment about cleansing lepers, only to say leopards. So, we're just focusing on the context of what you said. What, we're supposed to consider other passages outside of context? I don't think so.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • Bet

      Gman, you keep harping on my understanding of the bilble and telling me I don't know anything about it, as if you live inside my head and know what I think. That's a cop out. You just can't answer a direct question, so you blather on in double speak, and then dismiss it by saying I don't know what I'm talking about. Next, you'll say I'm taking things personally, or I'm oversensitive, or I'm overreacting. I've heard it all before.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
  10. paulbrostein

    This so called belief blog is nothing but a Christian focused blog. i would appreciate that you guys gave more coverage to any other religion that is not Christianity. And also cart covering Spirituality more

    May 25, 2012 at 3:14 am |
    • yeahalright

      Oh but then it'd just be big bad media opening another front in the war on christianity.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
  11. Gman

    @ bet , getting back to your question on 91, i sincerely cannot give an answer because i don't know his heart.
    when death comes to anyone it is said that peoples lives sometimes flash before their eyes. i believe this
    and sometimes someone somewhere is praying for a person and god will come to them at the last moment
    to examine their heart and depending on their confession in their soul at that moment they could very well
    be saved. it's not a place we want to be if we can avoid it. if we have the light as jesus said then while
    we have it we should walk in it. or today is the day of salvation sayeth the lord. choose life not death. we
    keep on preaching while we have time before death takes us. some people have lived horrible lives
    of abuse and sorrow. a person could recant his behavior in the end like the movie father flannigans boys
    town where mickey rooney goes to the gas chamber and breaks down at the last minute. the priest looks
    up ( spencer tracey and thanks god for this ). we just don't know. but if we have the light and
    knowledge of christ then we are commanded to preach and share this with anyone who will listen.

    also i still think the moderator are flagged by the automatic program and then make a decision to allow
    the material or not. because every now and then a moderator will intervene in a conversation and express
    their views. also look at page 64 and she talks about tricks to get certain words accepted but how did she
    get all those nasty words on that page.

    anyway thats the best answer i can give you.

    May 25, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • LinCA

      @Gman

      If you are referring to me, I have some news for you. I'm not a moderator on this site.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:23 am |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Gman

      Hello again. What about me then? I'm an apostate, I turned my back on the faith about 8 years ago, and I am very open about being against many tenants of the christian religion. If I were to drop dead right now, what would happen to me?

      May 25, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • Gman

      @ lin_ca , no lin i am not refering to you. other people with different screenames including moderator sometimes
      post and usually tell the person their blogging they are a moderator. not referring to you at all.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • Gman

      @ hawaii guest , same answer , i often joke about the book of job with people and tell them i would never
      make it in the old testament because i would have never endured like job did. i have dealt with
      anger at god like many other christians and it's human and always a struggle. god says in the
      new testament in revelations he will wipe away all tears from their eyes and he makes all things
      new. i know what it's like to be so angry you can't see past yourself. but the fact i have made
      it this far makes me believe god has been with me in spite of it all. so if someone has
      a grudge with the lord, i don't sweat that at all. now because god smiled on me through all my
      suffering , i just wish the same and keep preaching the saving grace of christ. it's humbling
      but oh well. were only here a short time. i believe if your are angry that if nothing else god
      will keep telling you that time is short and we wants to lift you up so you can lift others up.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:36 am |
    • tallulah13

      The "moderator" is a computer program that searches out letter combinations that some may find offensive. There are some clever individuals who have learned to subvert the process, but there has never been a human moderator on these boards as long as I've been posting here.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:11 am |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Gman

      I can't have a grudge against something I don't even think exists. I can have an issue with the actual book and how much people put stock in it. I can have an issue with what people think are moral and attribute to "god" within that book, and a myriad of other things. But to say I have a grudge against something that I don't think exists is just plain wrong.
      I was trying to get you to admit what your doctrine "says" will happen, but apparently you can't even do that. I wonder why that is.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:56 am |
    • Bet

      @Gman I knew you'd dodge it with that "maybe god came to him in the last seconds of his life" scenario. You don't even have the guts to express your own opinion.

      Christians can never give you a straight answer. Words change meaning arbitrarily, biblical laws are applied when it's convenient, local culture is either the reason it's true or the reason it's not true, old testament commandments have and haven't been done away with. Jesus says one thing but means another. Check your brain at the door.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:59 am |
  12. GALACTICA_CAG

    Hmmmmmm...
    Must've been a product of the Los Angeles Unified School District.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:27 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Posted in the wrong place, son of a motherfrakkin'...

      May 25, 2012 at 12:46 am |
  13. GALACTICA_CAG

    "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing." "But," says Man,"the Babel Fish is a dead giveaway. It proves you exist, and so therefore you don't! Q.E.D." "Oh, dear, I hadn't thought of that," says God, and disappears in a puff of logic. "Oh, that was easy," says Man, who goes on to prove black is white, and gets killed on the next zebra crossing.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:18 am |
  14. Rachel

    @Mohler-Well written! Kudos! 🙂

    May 25, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, shut up, Chard.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Bet

      So was Mein Kampf.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Don't you mean "Herr Mohler, ze Christo-Nazi?" ACHTUNG!

      May 25, 2012 at 1:07 am |
  15. ricinsac

    we all know how christian pastors stand on abortion and gays but they shun their voice on divorce – most are more politically driven than morally concerned about things that would be "offensive" = most christian pastors do not stand up for social justice nor against capital punishment - Thank God for the Holy Roman Catholic Church and the Pope.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      I would love to break into the Vatican's catacombs, rob them blind of all the gold, priceless antiquities, and art and unload them at a pawn shop in The Bronx. And take the Pope's hat and turn it into a beer bong.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:33 am |
    • Susie

      Why would a Christian stand up against capital punishment? It is a precept taught in the Old aand New Testament.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:04 am |
    • Susie

      Why would a Christian stand up against capital punishment? It is a precept taught in the Old aand New Testament. Ans social justice? Christians are the one swho started all of the social justice movements from slavery to women's rights to feeding the poor of the world.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:06 am |
    • Bet

      Susie, kinda goes against that pesky sixth commandment, doesn't it?

      May 25, 2012 at 3:30 am |
  16. Cilla

    By far the best written article on this blog.

    Fantastic! Thanks Mohler.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Susie

      At last someone actually explains the Christian stance in a reasonable way.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:14 am |
    • Bet

      How do you explain something as unreasonable as denying people their civil rights in a reasonable way? This article is a piece of garbage.

      May 25, 2012 at 3:33 am |
  17. Gman

    @ gman, last try , ' DISCIPLE ' yes i flunked typing in high school.

    May 24, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      That isn't all you failed.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Hmm. Must've been a product of the Los Angeles Unified School District.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:25 am |
  18. Gman

    This man called JESUS walked to and fro through the streets of what's now israel saying to his diciples ,

    " COME FOLLOW ME and I WILL MAKE YOU FISHERS OF MEN "

    that same JESUS is saying it still from heaven ,

    " COME FOLLOW ME and I WILL MAKE YOU FISHERS OF MEN "

    Theres a man and he's walking on the water

    The Soul Saver

    The Blind Man Healer

    The Leopard Cleansing Man from Galilee

    May 24, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • Gman

      @ gman , desciple

      May 24, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Bizarre

      Gman,
      " COME FOLLOW ME and I WILL MAKE YOU FISHERS OF MEN "

      What is the purpose of catching fish?
      - To sell them or to eat them.

      ________________________________________________________________

      "The Leopard Cleansing Man from Galilee"

      He cleaned Leopards in Galilee?
      - He had a big cat shampoo salon on the side? Learn something new every day!

      May 24, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Bwaahhahhha! Comedy gold, these Godtards.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And dude, really? It's DISCIPLE. You could look it up, you know, instead of being an ignorant dweeb.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Gman

      @ tom tom the pipers son ,

      as in the doobie brothers song , best rif on a guitar.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're a moron.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
    • Gman

      @ tom tom the pipers son , i guess you don't play the guitar , sorry !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your loss !!!!!!!!!!

      May 24, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, you're quite mistaken. I do indeed play. I also know an idiot when I read his posts.

      Tag. You're it.

      May 24, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • Gman

      @ it's just as easy to spot a foul mouthed sinner who's not saved. ring any bells ?

      May 24, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      OOOOHHH. I'm hurt. How WILL I recover? How will I go ON, when an illiterate dolt doesn't like me???? Boohoohooooo! Wahahhahhahhahha! Life is not worth living when Gman the moron doesn't approve of my soul.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • Gman

      @ tom tom the pipers son , it's obvious you just want to rant and rave against christians so i will allow you to
      go on by yourself. there are people who sincerly want to debate this article and gods book.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If they're literate and can actually spell 'sincerely', they can have at it. I don't bother with high school dropouts, dear, so get some recruits.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Leopard cleansing? LMFAO! That's a good one! I can't stop laughing!

      May 25, 2012 at 12:36 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I know, right? And the poor, innocent leopards probably had to say as to whether they WANTED to be 'cleansed'.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:38 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      edit: "no say".

      May 25, 2012 at 12:38 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      The Joker, to The Batman:
      They need you now! But, when they don't, they'll cast you out. Like a leopard!

      May 25, 2012 at 12:51 am |
    • Bet

      I'm laughing so hard that I'm crying. My sides hurt.

      Leopard cleansing, priceless.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:00 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      *scrub, scrub* Why won't these darn spots come off?

      May 25, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • Primewonk

      Leopards, being members of the Felidae family, would clean themselves by licking. Is Gman saying that his Jesus is a pûssy licker?

      Apparently Jesus was a sodomite too! Go Team Sodomy!

      May 25, 2012 at 9:34 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      I can just see Jesus gettin' busy with Mary Magdalene. I hear his oral skills were miraculous! He could take her to Heaven and back.

      May 25, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • Bet

      Dat 'stache.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  19. Mark

    The last half was well written. Jesus loves the sinner and hates the sin. Compassion is required when dealing with the sinner, but Christians cannot endorse sin – the thing that caused the creator to be killed by the creation.

    The first half unfortunately shows Elder Mohler needs to brush up on his Bible studies. When Peter was told to eat unclean items in his vision the Bible clearly shows this was refering to his relationship with the gentiles – not what they eat.

    The health laws still apply today – are not our bodies requiring all the help we can get to prevent sickness and premature death? The creator knows what is best for us that is why we have the health laws in the old testament. (The original diet – vegetarian – offers people longer life with less disease – who doesn't want that?)

    Remember the Bible says those who eat unclean foods will be destroyed – they are grouped with those who commit human sacrifice and idolatry in Isaiah 64 and 65. No animal will be killed in heaven to satisfy corrupted tongues.

    May 24, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
  20. 2tor

    Alber? The squeeeky wheel gets the grease. Don't make something out of nothing.

    May 24, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
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