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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Gay marriage • Opinion

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  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things*

    May 26, 2012 at 10:23 am |
    • Bet

      People change their underwear.

      May 26, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Wait, what? You're supposed to CHANGE it?
      Learn summin' new every day...

      May 26, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Bet the dweeb

      Sorry to break it to you, Galactica. But you can get a few more days if you turn them inside out.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
  2. Paul S

    The religious nuts and holy rollers were in an uproar when Copernicus said the Sun was the center of our universe... they doubted him and cast him away....and truth be told....and, since when did the apostle Paul become the word of God?
    Can't we put all the chrisitans behind a big tall fence...oh wait their ignorance already does that...

    May 26, 2012 at 8:01 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      A couple years ago, the production company and studio I work for made a reboot of an 80s tv series called V. Fundamentalist Christians accused us of promoting unnatural ideas of aliens from other worlds and that even our own exploration of space was wrong.

      May 26, 2012 at 11:08 am |
    • Bet the dweeb

      I loved V, both the mini series in '83 and the new one.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Right now, we're rebooting Space: 1999 as Space 2099 (no colon). Since we took the project on, we still can't agree on how to blast the Moon out of Earth orbit. The original massive nuclear explosion isn't going to cut it anymore.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Bet the dweeb

      Excellent, I loved that one too.

      But be careful about saying "no colon" in here. Someone might get the wrong idea and pass a law against science fiction.

      May 26, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
  3. Pedos are gay and vice versa.

    Rain, Rain GAY away
    Don't comeback anyday
    Let the children want to play

    May 26, 2012 at 4:58 am |
    • Bet

      And you're an idiot.

      May 26, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      You should see his haiku.

      May 26, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • JWT

      Be nice BET idiots have feelings and don't need to be insulted by comparing them to people who are wilfully stupid.

      May 26, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
  4. Tebby

    "I have degrees in Psychology and Behavioral Sciences, as well as Education, General Sciences and a Masters in Biotechnology. I graduated with honors."

    And I'm Batman. LOL!

    How many inches your thick skin had gone to?

    May 26, 2012 at 4:48 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Not entirely implausible. I spent 12 years in college with scholarships, Pell grants, and student loans. I didn't pay off my student loans until I was 42.

      May 26, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • Bet

      How many different screen names do you have? Posting under multiple names makes you look like a fool, especially when it's so obvious.

      May 26, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • Bet

      Tebby called me a dweeb too. Oh, I'm so hurt. Boo hoo hoo. I've been called a dweeb all my life, I consider it a compliment. Stupid people are rarely called dweebs.

      When you can't answer the question, go ad hominem.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
  5. GALACTICA_CAG

    BTW: myweightinwords and Bet...you are my new heroines!
    God bless! 😉

    May 26, 2012 at 12:35 am |
    • Bet the dweeb

      Aw, I'll bet you say that to all the atheist girls!

      May 26, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Except for how I'm not an atheist.

      May 29, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • Bet

      My apologies. I was referring only to myself. No offense intended.

      May 29, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
  6. Observer

    Mohler articulates the issue of sin very well in this article. There is not another article quite well written on this topic as Mohler has. Proof that Mohler's inspiration is divine.

    May 25, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Halle-f*#kin-lujah!

      May 25, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
    • Michael

      Your kind are way to willing to buy the hook, line and sinker as long as lines up with your own prejudices. Why isn't he nor anyone else.focusing on other sins like adultery??? Because people aren't asking about it? What kind of bull is that? Everybody is doing it but since noone is asking about it we will just ignore it.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • midwest rail

      Articulate nonsense is still nonsense. There is no " proof " of divine inspiration here whatsoever.

      May 26, 2012 at 4:53 am |
  7. GALACTICA_CAG

    This discussion certainly went off its' original rails.
    Here's one observation, based on what I see on social networks. People, wether they claim to be hard-line Christians or not, wether they spend more than one day at church or not, are more interested in what's going on with George Clooney or Paris Hilton or Tom, Katie, and Suri Cruise, or Dancing With The Stars or Survivor or American Idol. Just an observation, I could be wrong.

    May 25, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
  8. dinak

    Stop sticking your private parts into male or female rect ums. The rec tum is filled with harmful bacteria that cause a myriad of diseases and infections. It's pretty obvious that the rectum is designed to excrete waste, not intake a p e n is hat has an opening through which e-coli and other germs can enter the urinary tract and blood stream. Cover it up with a con dom, and put it in where it is supposed to go. Pretty obvious – I thought that you libs were all about "science." What exactly is it about human physiology and design that you don't get?

    May 25, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Why the nose is positioned where it is. I mean, it's a design flaw, why put something wet and drippy right above the mouth?

      May 25, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Rec.tum? It nearly killed him!

      May 25, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • Michael

      Have you seen a diagram of a man's rec.tum? Do me a favor, go check it out and tell me if it looks like something else.another man uses on him when they're intimate. The prostate is 100% stimulated when a man is with another man yet a woman's g spot almost.never is. Seems to me the design of a man is more intended for another man.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Man, I can NEVER find a chick's g-spot. It's like, you know, you go rooting around with your tongue, and all you get is a sore jaw.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • Michael

      Well since the design argument is being used, and rather poorly, to say a woman is more designed for a man, like you stated, her g spot isn't designed to be easily accessible. However a man's g spot, his prostate, is always stimulated. It's a sage bet its more pleasurable in average for a man than a woman to be done by another man. Don't get me wrong, I am sure a woman's ecstasy is mind blowing but it doesn't happen too often.

      May 26, 2012 at 1:14 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      When trying to find a chick's g-spot, you become envious of Gene Simmons.

      May 26, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Bet the dweeb

      Don't feel bad. I can't even find my own g-spot.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
  9. Apollos

    Speaking as a human, I'll be glad when God reveals his righteousness to those who say such evil thinkgs, and they experience the eternal torment and sorrow of outter darkness. The things they say make me so angry, but it will turn back to their own heads. Jesus died for his own sins? Then your blood be upon your own head.

    May 25, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Interesting. A lot of Christians live their lives full of fear. Progressive Christians don't feel that fear.

      And considering this is coming from someone who has named himself after one of the Gods of Olympus, a Lord of Kobol, from whom all human colonies in space evolved.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:39 pm |
    • JWT

      Jesus is your belief and not mine. Nothing ionvolved with your beliefs of jesus applies to me or billions of other people on this earth.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Ed

      So being gay is evil, but condemning someone to eternal torment is godly?

      May 25, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • Bet the dweeb

      "Speaking as a human"

      Well, what else would you be speaking as? Are there dogs, cats and aliens posting here?

      May 26, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  10. James Swift

    I would like to make a correction. At the end of this article it reads "The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr."

    This is not true. The opinions expressed in this commentary are mine also." Thanks.

    May 25, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
  11. Christian messenger

    There is absolutely no reasn to be focused on gays , we shoudl be focused on Jesus every day, and the day after that one too..

    Many Christians focus on gays because of the serpents in all our midst...
    John the Baptist said, " you vipers, who has warned you of the wrath that is too come" Jesus said the same thing calling them serpents and scorpions , Paul in Romans chapter one said they had the poison of asps under their tongues or breath ... I believe they are full of bitterness and they express a lot of hateful ness to other's because they are frustrateed with life and other things may not be workign out for them...

    May 25, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • JWT

      I have to agree with you that way too many christians are like that. Maybe they will learn in time.

      May 25, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
  12. GALACTICA_CAG

    So, just sayin is just saying that the erosion of God-centered power happened 50 years ago. That would put it when technology became more pervasive in American households. So, extrapolating on that notion, is just sayin saying that, perhaps, the entertainment industry is to blame by making all kinds of weird concepts available? Is rock 'n roll responsible for turning kids away from The Word? Was Dr. Frederick Wertham, in his book "The Se.duction of The Innocent," correct by saying that comic books are responsible for the rise in juvenile delinquency?

    May 25, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Primewonk

      I time it to the mid 50's as well. Although I link to adding "under god" to the Pledge and adding "in god we trust" to our money. We had a perfectly good, although unofficial, motto of E Pluribus Unam – Out of Many – One. How appropriate was that. We take everyone, all of us, combine it, and we get one. One nation. With Liberty and Justice for all.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Bet the dweeb

      It's interesting to note that christians love to point out the "under god" part of the pledge of allegiance, but conveniently forget what comes right after, "with liberty and justice for ALL."

      Interesting, but not surprising. They do the same thing when they quote their own bible.

      May 26, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
  13. WASP

    @just sayin"
    "just sayin
    In order for evil to succeed all that is required is that good men do nothing. God bless
    May 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm"

    that is why we are trying to prosecute those pediphiles the vatican is hiding, telling preachers that want to re-enact the holocaust here in america to shut up, and fighting against the status quo to see to it equal rights are shared by all regardless of race, creed , nationality or s-e-x-ual orientation........those fighting against you christian bigots are the good people fighting so evil doesn't succeed. god damn

    May 25, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      If anybody is going to Hell, it's Cardinal Roger Mahoney, former head of The Archdiocese of Los Angeles. He shuffled priests to desk jobs and paid off those abused by them to shut them up.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
  14. myweightinwords

    And now, alas, I must be off into my day. I will pop in again later if time allows.

    May your Friday be filled with things that please you and happiness attend your every moment.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
  15. GALACTICA_CAG

    So, Gman, I'm currently doing a polish on a script involving man's first contact with extraterrestrial humans. Now, personally, with my education and science background, I believe there ARE other humans and intelligent lifeforms scattered throughout space. So, am I putting Satanic ideas into people's heads by presenting these concepts? Is Earth all there is?
    Just curious.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
  16. Deep Breath

    Some biblical scholars don't agree with how the Bible has been translated into English. Passages that, in the original, condemn specific activities such as men molesting boys, have been translated too generally.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      I like how Christians won't even consider The Apocrypha, the Gnostic Gospels, such as the Gospels of Mary Magdalene and the recently-translated Gospel of Judas Iscariot whereby the translation reads that Jesus ASKED Judas to give him up.
      The same goes for The Dead Sea Scrolls.
      BTW, did you know that Mary Magdalene was never a prost!tute? The Church renounced that back in 1969. Some folks never got the memo.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Nii

      CAG
      The Mary Magdalene prosti.tute debacle was because she was confused with Mary of Bethany who in one of the Gospels is described as a prosti.tute.
      Gnostics are not xtians. An example of Gnostics are Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons today.
      The NT was written to differentiate them from Xtians.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Woah! Do NOT tell a Mormon he/she is not a Christian. You will receive backlash of hurricane force!

      May 25, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      No, the NT was not so much written as cobbled together by Emperor Constantine when he convened The Council of Nicea. They decided what should be kept, and what to discard. Only Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were kept. The Gospels of the other Apostles as well as Mary Magdalene, were tossed out, hopefully never to be set upon by human eyes. Until they were excavated. Emperor Constantine had a political agenda by assembling the NT the way he did. As did King James later, who re-wrote it to use as a weapon against his political adversaries.

      May 25, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      And Jesus, being a good Rabbi, was married to Mary Magdalene. They had a daughter named Sarah. After Jesus' crucifixion, Mary and Sarah fled to France where the bloodline continues today, according to the authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Some of these descendants of Jesus were interviewed on The History Channel.

      May 25, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
  17. myweightinwords

    A few honest questions for Gman and other Christian's:

    I have noticed that many people who profess the Christian faith express the feeling that they are being judged or persecuted when someone disagrees with them or votes against making their religious doctrine law.

    Is it persecution or judgment to tell a public school that they can not read bible verses or pray in the class room?
    Is it persecution or judgment to remove religious monuments/paintings/plaques/etc from government buildings, including schools and courts?
    Is it persecution or judgment to allow all people, regardless of race, creed, color, religion, gender or s.exual orientation the same civil liberties and rights?

    May 25, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • just sayin

      To deny a child access to God is the worst form of child abuse, school or otherwise. A disservice to a child and a form of persecution
      To deny a nation its Godly heritage to soothe the egos of a disgruntled 1% is a form of persecution
      Perversion is not a right, to have 1% of a population conduct themselves worse than animals and demand "equality" is a form of persecution to the moral majority. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      None of which actually answers the questions.

      How can a minority persecute a majority?

      Do you comprehend what the word "persecute" means? Perhaps we should begin with that.

      Mirriam-Webster says that persecute means: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief.

      How, specifically, does removing religion from a public school harass or punish, injure, grieve or afflict a child? Can they not go to church? Can they not pray at home? Can they not pray silently in their seats? Can they not read their scriptures on their own time?

      Likewise, how does removing a plaque bearing the ten commandments from a courthouse wall harass or punish, injure, grieve or afflict anyone? Is it not MORE likely that it's presence in a place where all bias is said to be removed and justice held forth can be construed as persecution by those not of a belief in the bible's authority?

      And lastly, how does anyone being equal in all things to you harass or punish, injure, grieve or afflict anyone?

      May 25, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • just sayin

      In order for evil to succeed all that is required is that good men do nothing. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      I am sorry if I failed to express myself clearly, however your statement has little to no bearing on my questions.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      So, just sayin, are you just saying that "separation of church and state" is, and always has been, a grandiose mistake?

      May 25, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Primewonk

      No one is stopping kids from praying in school. But you can't have teacher/admministrator/coach lead prayer. And it was theists who brought these original suits to court. Catholics didn't want their kids saying Methodist prayers, Bpatists didn't want their kids saying Catholic prayers, etc.

      Kids can pray to themselves whenever they want. You can't have little Johnny stand up on his desk during math class and srtart screaming that Jesus is sending all the little Jewish kids to hell.

      Do you see the difference?

      May 25, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • just sayin

      Separation of church and state does not appear in ANY original docu ments. Original intent was to keep one particular church from dominating all others. It was never intended to remove a man from his faith in order to serve his country. Only the last 50 years or so have seen the moral erosion of the God centered power of America. About the time when prayer was removed from the public school system. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      It was never intended to remove a man from his faith in order to serve his country.

      Where does this happen? Who is asked to renounce their faith in order to serve in office or in the military?

      No one has ever required such a thing. That too would be a violation of the separation of church and state. The entirety of the freedom of religion is that the government can not and will not dictate any law that favors or denies anyone's individual freedom to believe as his or her conscious allows.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Weight, don't expect just sayin to give you a 100% straight answer. He's like most on the fringes of Christian belief, he's not a progressive Christian. Fringies obfuscate their "answers" by couching them in riddles and double-talk. The "moral majority" is neither. Thank God I live in Southern California, where I don't have to put up with his so-called "moral majority."

      May 25, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @GALACTICA_CAG, having been on these forums for quite some time I am familiar with Just Sayin'...my words may be directed to him/her, but they are for a wider audience.

      I enjoy a little bit of a challenge from time to time, and an opportunity to exercise the muscles of compassion alongside those of intellect.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • just sayin

      Wider audience?This is all BS at best no one cares for the opinions on these things. Who do you think you are you self agrandizing twit. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Bet

      @ justsayin'

      You said, " Who do you think you are you self agrandizing twit. God bless"

      Priceless. The god bless disclaimer.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      @just sayin: There's two "g's" in "aggrandizing," you da.mn dirty ape! Goddess bless!

      May 25, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      @Bet: I know, right?

      May 25, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Greshlyr

      @weight, I'm going to go with....no, in answer to your questions about persecution. But then, I'm a rational Christian (if there is such a thing) as I also believe in evolution, the big bang, quantum mechanics, etc.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Christian messenger

      Watchman Nee a Chiinese evangelist in Mao days says, "persecution good for church"... 🙂
      many Christians want everybody to bow to them. 🙁 thats' wrong....we are Kings and priests but we are also supposed to be generous and gracious .... 🙂

      May 25, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Wider audience?This is all BS at best no one cares for the opinions on these things. Who do you think you are you self agrandizing twit. God bless

      Not once in all of my conversation with you have I called you names or denigrated your beliefs or implied that your intelligence was lacking. It is telling then that your words to me take on this tone and fall to name calling, is it not?

      As to my meaning, it is a truth of the internet that for every one person who comments on a posting, there are at least five to ten, dependent upon the popularity of the site, who read and do not comment. If even one of them pauses to think about the points I've raised, it is worth having spent the time to write them out.

      Words are not spoken (or written in this case) in the ether, gone the moment they have left our mouth (or fingers). They linger.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • just sayin

      You really do think more highly of yourself than you should. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      And I find it amusing that you as.sume I as talking about myself.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Better said, I find it amusing that you think I was ONLY talking about myself.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      @just sayin: And your pseudo-humility is stomach-churning. As fake as a Playboy bunny's rack. And...may the Warlord Xenu bless you! So sayeth Tom Cruise!

      May 25, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Primewonk

      The Constîtution means whatever SCOTUS says it means. And it has ever since Marbury v. Madison (1803). SCOTUS through their rulings and writings infact has stated that there is wall of separation between church and state. Just as those specific words do not appear, neither does "the right to privacy". Yet, again, SCOTUS has stated that this is perhaps our most fundamental right.

      May 25, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  18. Gman

    MY FINAL COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE ,

    gay or not all are sinners ,

    JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR WHOM SO EVER SHALL BELIEVE AND CALL UPON HIS NAME.

    it's free. only believe.

    May 25, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Jesus died for his own sins, not mine.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Primewonk

      I don't believe in your god. So you can keep your sins to yourself.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      To (probably badly mis-) quote Jewel, to be in need of salvation, one must first believe in sin.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Bet

      I seriously doubt it's your last word. But I'd be delighted if it is.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Greshlyr

      "all are sinners"

      Uh oh, I wonder which "sin" he wants to outlaw next. If there's a betting pool, someone put me down for $5 for contraception.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • WASP

      @ gman: if there was a jesus he died because he ticked off the romans that were occupying israel and they made an example of him during a holiday celebration to quail any others that may have been thinking of causing trouble.......kindof how they would hang bandits out west to warn against bandits causing trouble to a certain town.

      May 25, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Are you saying Gman's existence is on account of a broken rubber?

      May 25, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
  19. Gman

    jesus doesn't come and ask you if you are gay or anything else. he simply tells you who he is and that
    if you believe on him you will be saved. he works the rest out. you can't even change without the holy spirit.
    and you can't even be saved without god calling you first.

    May 25, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Bet

      Then why don't you christians leave it at that and let gays have their civil rights under the law. It's that simple.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Qu-eers are not enti tled to civil rights, no criminal is.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      It seems every other type of sinner can get married without so much as a peep. I could even get married while wearing blended fabric and serve shellfish at the reception. (Which I did)

      May 25, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • Bet

      Pervert alert is back! We're in for some more completely inane comments.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      1. Ho.mose.xuality is not illegal.
      2. Even felons in prison are able to get married.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Bet

      They haven't broken any laws, so they aren't criminals. Your bible book of bigotry doesn't count.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      you can't even change without the holy spirit.
      and you can't even be saved without god calling you first.

      When I was a Christian I was a hateful, fearful, spiteful being who believed that I was open and loving and giving, that I was washed in the blood and redeemed and destined for an eternity in heaven. I spoke in tongues and I prayed for hours at a time...and yet I had no love in me for others outside of those who likewise believed as I did.

      I could not stand to look at myself in the mirror because what I saw disgusted me.

      It took walking away from Christianity, from the teaching that all mine are vile sinners, from the idea that anyone could pay the penalty for me, from the notion that just by breathing air I was unworthy of God's love to re-find my heart.

      I left the "holy spirit" behind in order to change, in order to become the woman I am today.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • just sayin

      @my weight in words
      You were never a Christian. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • pervert alert

      Many States still maintain laws against unnatural se- xual acts. Qu-eer is unnatural, qu-eer is criminal.There are no rights to be a pervert.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @justsayin'

      As I have said before, unless you lived inside of me and believed with me and took my journey with me, you can not judge that. I will not argue the point with you, however. It is meaningless to attempt to engage in meaningful conversation with one who has demonstrated that he/she is unwilling to listen to anything that disagrees with a pre-formed belief.

      May the gods of your understanding bless you.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • just sayin

      Your testimony proves you were never a Christian. No need for personal knowledge of the "inner" you, no philosophy, you never knew God, plain and simple you were never a Christian. You may have hung out, said the words etc. etc. but at best you were a phony. You never knew Christ. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @just sayin'

      I am at peace with my faith journey. I am at peace with what I know of Divinity. I am at peace within my heart.

      This is all the testimony of my life that is required. I pray that all may one day say the same.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • Bet

      @ myweightinwords, You and I have had exactly the same experience with christianity. Don't you just love it when you get the "then you weren't really a christian" flip off?

      But she said "god bless" so that makes it all okay.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Bet

      @ justsayin'

      "Christians" like you are why people leave religion. Bitter, arrogant, nasty, mean christians like you. God bless.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • just sayin

      It is impossible to ever be removed from God. If you claim to be an enemy of God you never were with God in the first place. The human heart (mind) is incredibly wicked, who can know it. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      There remain many unenforceable laws technically on the books. Ho.mose.xual acts and hetero sodomy is legal in all states.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Bet, I once was much like Just Sayin' and believed as he/she appears to believe. Thankfully for my own sanity, I discovered love that changed me, and it is my honest and sincere hope that he/she one day does the same.

      @Just Sayin'...your wording intrigues me. Who here is claiming to be an enemy of god? I mean, I do know a few maltheists who would say that they are, but as far as I can tell, no one here is claiming any such thing.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • yeahalright

      Hey just sayin, I know you think that little "god bless" at the end of your arrogant condescending statements makes you think you're being "loving," and is supposed to make people think you don't really hate them but are just trying to help – but it's as transparent as glass.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Bet

      @ justsayin"

      I know you are but what am I? God bless.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • just sayin

      @markinfl
      Be careful where you do your perversions. There are still States that do not agree with you. God bless

      May 25, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      I've known one maltheist. I felt pretty bad for him. He had once been a bible thum.ping born-again but he eventually could not reconcile that god with some pretty horrible things that happened to people he cared about. Problem was, since that belief was so ingrained in him, that he could only despise the god he believed existed.
      One cannot hate or mock a god one does not actually believe exists. However, those that try to use their imagined gods to control the lives of other people are completely open to derision and mockery.

      May 25, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • Bet the dweeb

      @just sayin

      I don't claim to be an enemy of god. I can't be the enemy of something I don't believe in. Goober peas.

      May 26, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
  20. Bet

    And "I could care less" means the opposite of what I believe you are trying to say. You actually do care about Galactica, according to your statement.

    The correct phrase is "I couldn't care less".

    May 25, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • MarkinFL

      I would have confidently bet an entire paycheck that Gman would not use that phrase in its logical form.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • Bet

      Yeah, but it's an easy bet. Almost nothing he says is logical.

      May 25, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • MarkinFL

      I'm not a gambler.

      May 25, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
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