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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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  1. Douglas

    How many lives could have been saved from the onslaught of terrible life taking STDs
    if Biblical statutues had been honored, obeyed, and practiced?
    Too many to count.
    Many who have transmitted death to others knowingly and unknowingly
    continue to mock the scriptures. This is the mark of a reprobate mind.
    Pray that hearts and minds will see the light.
    Best,
    Douglas

    May 27, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @Douglas

      Amen!

      May 27, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Y'know, Douglas, if we'd adhered to nothing but scripture:
      We wouldn't have put men on the Moon.
      We wouldn't have nuclear power plants providing electricity to millions.
      We wouldn't have tv, movies, recorded music, and radio.
      We wouldn't have laser surgery.
      We wouldn't have pasteurized milk.
      We wouldn't have painless dentistry.
      You wouldn't have that computer you're typing on.
      We'd all still be farmers and shepherds. No progress. No gleaming cities of steel and glass. No freeways.
      No technology.

      May 27, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Amen, Douglas! So many want to mock God and go against his commandments, but the wages of sin is death.

      May 28, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Bet

      @evangelical

      The wages of life is death. You're born, live, die, and that's it.

      May 28, 2012 at 11:40 am |
  2. PRISM 1234

    The unregenerate man with his fallen human nature will fight tooth and nail to keep his sins.
    But those who say they know Jesus Christ, and still fight to keep them, they need not think that God is a God of tolerance.... In fact, God is totally non- tolerant! His standards are uncompromisable!

    When Jesus went seeking out the lost, He did it to give them hope. The sick are the ones who need a physician, He said, not the ones who (think) they're well. When they encountered Christ, their lives changed forever.

    What we see today, in much of the apostate western church, is not Christianity. They have made up God in their own image... bowing down to the pressure of the world... salt that has lost its flavor, fit only to be trodden down under the feet of those of the world... And that's exactly what's happening....

    We are seeing today what the Scriptures foretold long ago. Its not hard to see where we are on Biblical time table!

    May 27, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      PRISM 1234, you are a short-sighted, hubristic, egotistical human being. You seem to believe that Man is the be-all and end-all in the entire Universe. Hate to break this to you, but we have help. There are other humans in the Universe, other intelligent species, other fantastic civilizations in the far reaches of space. Wether you believe in them or not. They have been coming here since we were still ape-like hominids. They supervised the construction of the Sphinx and the Great Pyramids of Giza. We are not all there is. And it's HUMBLING to know that. We still have hundreds of yahrens or longer before we can take our place with them.

      May 28, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      GC, keep dreaming on! 🙂

      May 28, 2012 at 12:39 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/

      May 28, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Are you saying Man on Earth is all there is? No such thing as...aliens?

      May 28, 2012 at 12:45 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      You've never spent any time at Area 51, have you? When I was still at JPL, I worked there. I saw things that would scare you sh!tless! And I work what I've experienced into the science fiction tv series I produce.

      May 28, 2012 at 12:49 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Now that I think of it, I hope you're not a fan of any of the series I've worked on in the past decade. I'd have to turn in my AMPTP and WGA cards, leave Los Angeles, and live in a hippie commune in San Francisco.

      May 28, 2012 at 1:05 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      "Now that I think of it, I hope you're not a fan of any of the series I've worked on in the past decade"
      No, I'm not.
      You're talking here to a No-Nonsense person who does not watch Non-sense shows for pass time .....

      May 28, 2012 at 1:30 am |
    • Primewonk

      Except, of course that being born gay is no more immoral than being born left-handed. This is just one more, in a long list of things, that your god got completely wrong.

      May 28, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      "Except, of course that being born gay"....
      No, dear! If you were born as a normal boy or girl, without any de'formi'ties, you WERE NOT born "g-ay".
      Because my God got it right, creating male and female...... Even things of nature display that as a fact, and anything else is co'unted as abnormal.
      But lets say even if you are at'tracted to people of the same s'ex, do you have to debase yourself , living it out, degrading your person? That's the problem with this generation of god-less people. They won't stop at nothing to fulfil their lewd lu'sts.... Maybe if you resisted your fleshly urges and thought more about valuing your dignity as a human being, maybe you would find out that in disciplining yourself, your character would be built, and you would gain perspective on life you never seen, being blinded by your fleshly lu'sts.
      But as it is, those who demand acceptance of h-exuality as normal , are devaluing who they are as human beings, trying to cover up the real motives and intents , inventing excuses for tehmselves , and wanting acce'ptance, so they could do their ungodly deeds , being acc'epted as normal!
      You can view the things I said here as "cruel and unkind", but I believe it is more cruel and unkind to agree with someone and smooth talk to them , keeping them living in a lie, then come straight forward and lay it to them as it is. That would be far worse crime then offending their fleshly ego! You just got to deal with it, friend!

      May 28, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • Primewonk

      Sorry Prism, but I'm not gay – not that there's anything wrong with that. I know it just busts you ignorant hômophobic fundiots îdiots butts to think that straight folks can support equal rights.

      Again, this is just one more thing your sick, twisted, puts of a god got wrong, because he is totally ignorant about science. Unless, of course, you will be the fundiots who finally posts the citations to peer-reviewed science showing gays choose to be gay.

      May 28, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      It doesn't matter WHAT you are..
      If you are in agreement with what is wrong, you are the partaker with those who do it. But let time take its course, and we'll see who is an idiot/ and a fool in the end!
      There is comming a time when every rebel's mouth will be silenced! Take heed that you be not ccounted among them!

      May 28, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Geez, PRIZ, do you have any FUN in your life? Y'know, like everybody else? Or do you enjoy being the odd man out? You sound like you don't fit in at the water cooler. Ever try moderation? As in everything in moderation? Why don't you try enjoying what everyone else around you is enjoying, instead of condemning them? Everyone, including you, needs to be entertained, needs escapism, needs fun.
      Why so serious?

      May 28, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Bet

      @PRISM

      You sound like you get so much enjoyment out of telling people that they will suffer eternal damnation. What a miserable way to live, taking pleasure in the perceived pain of others.

      May 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • Fidelio

      Hey Galactica – are you for real? Please stop trying to be pseudo-intellectual and admit it. You're a Star Trek Geek back front and centre!
      Tell us now when did you start seeing sooper-dooper aliens hanging around? Thank you – best laugh I've had this week.

      May 28, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      @Fidelio: It's called Area 51, Nellis AFB. I was as.signed there while I was working at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in 1990.
      And it sounds like you have a problem with Trekkers. Star Trek inspired me to go for a career in science, and now I have a career in Hollywood. Neat, huh?

      May 28, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • Fidelio

      Galactica – call it whatever you like, it's a crock. But don't let me burst your bubble – if you need your fantasies you go right on ahead and hug them. If you're lucky Scotty may just "beam you up" You have my sympathy.

      May 28, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Fidelio

      Well said Prism 1234. Good to see the truth as it is written. Our world at this moment makes Sodom and Gomorrah look like a bunch of sissies.

      May 28, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      If you have sympathy for me, you must have sympathy for everyone in this town who makes entertainment for a living. Those of us who focus on making science fiction are a tight-knit community of producers, writers, special effects techs, etc.
      It simply sounds like you're not a fan of the genre, Fedelico.

      May 28, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Oh, and Fidelio, you probably believe JFK was shot by one man with a rickety gun from behind? That he wasn't killed by a conspiracy between the CIA, Fidel Castro, and the Ialian Cosa Nostra (The Mafia)? That RFK was killed by one man? That Ted Kennedy wasn't nearly killed as a warning to never run for President?

      May 28, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Mary S

      @PRISM – what about hermaphrodites?

      May 29, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Even things of nature display that as a fact, and anything else is co'unted as abnormal."

      That's why gay relationships have been documented in over 1500 other species. LOL! It's totally natural. Plus the experts have shown; heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      May 29, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  3. let me help

    35 more to go.

    May 27, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • simple arithmetic

      34 more to go.

      May 27, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
  4. lesbianspaghetti

    I wonder how many people in his congregation aside and said "Hey, I need to point this out, because the bible says to... you are overweight. I saw you eating a second plate at the potluck last night, and I can't condone gluttony. You need to change, or leave the church." - tongue in cheek, but still a breeze of truth. You can't "focus" on one, and forget the rest. If you want to police the nation, police all offenses. Spend all day just stopping people on the street if you want.."Hey, you are fat. Do you know what the bible says about overweight people?" or "I was wondering, are you divorced? Does your former spouse still live? Are you remarried? Because if you answered yes to the first two, you are doomed." .. It goes on and on and on,... Trust god to do His work and deal with my heart as He sees fit (yes, I am a Christian.. who is also gay). My God is perfectly capable to convict and lead. You can't decide if what I am is a sin, just as I can't tell you what I believe falls under the heading of gluttony. And furthermore.. I don't follow Paul, he didn't die for my sins.. Christ did.

    May 27, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Bravo! Well stated! As a straight man, I still applaud your stance!

      May 28, 2012 at 12:00 am |
  5. ome1238

    Jesus is the truth and the way, This is not the only world after this there is plenty of space in the world of the dead for sinner.

    May 27, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
  6. whybs

    Why some Christians focus on gays? It's easiest picking on the weakest – why did we invade Iraq and not Iran? why did Bush/Cheney focus on Iraq and not Afghanistan – and let bin Laden slipped into Pakistan?

    May 27, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • whybs

      sorry for the typos

      May 27, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
  7. Kevin Conway

    They still hate the sinner and are envious of the sin.

    May 27, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      PRISM, just curious. Do the end times prophesies also hold for other intelligent races and civilizations in the Universe? Or just Earth?

      May 28, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      GC, Satan is the prince of the power of the Air, and it is written that he can and does transform himself into the angel of light. Bible specifically speaks of signs and wonders in the heavens, especially in the times nearing the end of the age.
      God created mankind in His own image, and the Earth, although small and insignificant in size, IS the apple of His eye, and "center" of God's Universe!
      You have been allured, seduced and deceived.

      May 28, 2012 at 1:14 am |
    • Bet

      The devil made me do it.

      May 28, 2012 at 11:51 am |
  8. EG

    Just because some people decided to believe in the bible doesn't mean we all believe in it. If the bible says...... whatever!!! There are so many other books that say the opposite. Just because something is written in a book doesn't mean everyone has to accept it. Welcome to the 21st century.

    May 27, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      LOL! God is not impressed with our 21 century and man's advancements of our time. People of the times past were no less intelligent then people today! But what God is clearly demonstrating, is that man in all his gain in advancement and knowledge has not improved his character, but has only proven to be more morally corrupt and bankrupt then those who were less advanced.
      But God in His wisdom withheld the advancement of man's knowledge till the times nearing the end, so that in HIS time the Scriptures may be fulfilled. Man has lived thousands of years with very little change... only in last little over 100 years wee have seen such advanced knowledge unprecedented in times of the past. That in itself should be a thing to ponder, because we are not living in "normal" times...
      So, friend, whether you believe the Bible or not, it does not negate it's relevance. You'll believe it one day, but not to your salvation, but your condemnation, because you refused to face it's truth while you still had time!

      May 27, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      So, PRISM1234, does the prophecy of scripture also hold to all the other intelligences, species, and civilizations in this galaxy, in this Universe? Or just humans on Earth?

      May 28, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      GC, There is a fellow where I live that goes to Star Wars conventions..... One day I overheard a discussion he had with someone, and you would think, what they talked about , that it was the most important thing in the world!
      It turned out they were talking about Star Wars convention..LOL!
      ......How deluded people can be.....
      They let this crap grow in their minds till it becomes so big it consumes them... And all it is, it's just a product of some one's silly imagination...
      But talk to them about sin, righteousness and judgment, and their need for Jesus Christ who came to redeem them and give them life, they mock, ridicule and will have none of it!
      How smart and intelligent is that?!
      You are a poor, deluded soul, GC! I'm not saying it with malice, but you really are. There are so many here who are also in the same shape! ... I pray that God in His mercy opens your eyes and shows you where you are, and give you space and time to repent and come to Him, before satan gets you so tangled that you'll do some bizarre things like those poor souls who went out into Christ-less eternity, thinking they'll meet their space ship , few years back! That should be a sobering thought to you!
      But if you keep the way you're going, you'll find on the end of your life how foolishly you wasted your life that God gave you, forfeiting your own soul.....

      May 28, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • Bet

      Exactly.

      Star Wars is a made up story but there are people who live their lives based on it. It's the most important thing in the world to them and they spend endless hours analyzing it, they become consumed by it, when it is the product of someone's imagination.

      The bible is a made up story but there are people who live their lives based on it. It's the most important thing in the world to them and they spend endless hours analyzing it, they become consumed by it, when it is the product of someone's imagination.

      People seek meaning in their lives. They latch on to whatever they are taught from birth, hear in church, see in a movie, read in a book, or watch on television.

      May 28, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • Bet

      @PRISM You said:

      "But God in His wisdom withheld the advancement of man's knowledge till the times nearing the end, so that in HIS time the Scriptures may be fulfilled. Man has lived thousands of years with very little change... only in last little over 100 years wee have seen such advanced knowledge unprecedented in times of the past."

      So god in his wisdom withheld the knowledge of how disease is spread for thousands of years, thereby ensuring the painful, horrible deaths of millions of innocent adults and children, many of whom had no means to hear of him because of geography and population distributions. Your god of love is anything but loving. He's a petulant spoiled brat who throws temper tantrums and commits "righteous genocide" when the creatures he supposedly gives free will to exercise that free will.

      The truth is that religion has deliberately withheld and suppressed scientific progress because knowledge of how the world really works lessens their grip over their congregations. Keeping people ignorant of the truth is the only way to keep them under control.

      And christians have been proclaiming the end times since the first century. It's another means of control. One can always invoke the prophesies of persecution and imminent end times to instill fear and keep the sheep in line.

      May 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @Bet
      Just keep on telling it to yourself.... or better said: let satan lullaby you with his delusions.... when your day of reckoning comes, you'll find out , you've been fooled!

      May 28, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      And, of course, you've probably never seen any of the Star Wars films.
      Look, it's what he ENJOYS, it's his HOBBY! Like model railroading, or radio-control airplanes, or stamp collecting. What, is all you so is sit there reading the Bible? Don't YOU have hobbies, collections of stuff that fascinates you? Do you have kids? Do you deny them having hobbies? Like collecting baseball cards, or building model cars? Since when is enjoying life, kicking back and having a good time a sin? Sounds like you're all work, and no play. Makes PRISM 1234 a dull boy.

      May 28, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Bet

      @ PRISM

      I'd much rather hang out with the Star Wars folks. They are enjoying their lives and have a lot of fun. They accept anyone into their group. They don't preach hate and bigotry. They don't condemn someone to eternal damnation because they prefer Star Trek to Star Wars, although they do argue the merits of one over the other.

      Nice job spreading the "word of god". You and people like you do more to drive people away from your god than to "save" them.

      May 28, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Galactica

      When I was a fundie, we were actively discouraged from the pulpit against seeing movies like Star Wars on the basis of it being "of the devil". Pretty much any movie that wasn't shown in church was off limits, as was any music that wasn't a hymn or church sanctioned christian music. In other words, no fun is allowed. If you did see Star Wars, you sure didn't mention it to the church people.

      The way PRISM acts here is nothing compared to the way fundie christians treat each other. They make the foulest troll look like Mother Teresa. When my mom was dying of cancer, I had more than one person tell me that I (or she) must have "sin in my life" because she wasn't being cured. Our youth pastor's baby boy was born with spina bifida, which was attributed to his mother having "sin in her life" during her pregnancy. Really, these people are be the most hateful people you can imagine.

      May 28, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      It's the same in certain pagan beliefs, only they say that it's a "karmic debt" being paid.

      You know what I get from PRIAPISM 1234? An individual who takes him/her self way too seriously, has a one-track mind, is not very well-rounded in life experience, and belittles those who aren't in lock-step with his world view. And his comebacks aren't very witty, either, which is an indicator of no sense of humor. His hubris is his own folly. He wants everyone to be as obsessed as he is. And he can act holier-than-thou behind a computer screen. I'd like to see how he fares in front of me. He'll crap his BVD's, turn and run screaming like a little beeyotch.

      May 28, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  9. Marcus

    The Bible was assembled almost 300 years after Jesus lived. It was voted on by man. There are over 20 books that were not included in the Bible. And to top it all off Saul who became Paul where we get most of the new testament from never even met Jesus who is the founder of Chrisitianity. The Bible was written in a time when man was uneducated and the Church wanted to instill fear in man. Well times have changed and people are a lot more educated and demand proof. The Bible is FULL of inconsistencies and to call the Bible the word of God and it be flawed is proof that its corrupt and not the word of God.

    May 27, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • johnAndrew

      It isn't the Christian church because Christ did not write any of the the books. It is the PAULINE church because Paul wrote most of the New Testament.

      May 27, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • Fidelio

      Where on earth do you dredge your facts from?
      The Acts of the Apostles were written by Jesus' friends right after His death. They were written based on FIRST HAND knowledge of Jesus' teachings.
      St Paul, although not an original apostle, was invited to be an 'honorary' apostle because he was a scholsr and he also lived at the time of Jesus.
      Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were Jesus' apostles and friends. Their Gospel writings were first hand; actually John was at the foot of the Cross with Jesus' Mother as He died.

      So tell me again about this mythical 300 years?????? The Apochryphal Gospels were written long after Jesus died, the New Testament was written at the TIME.

      May 27, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      @Fidelio: the Bible's contents were voted on 300 years after Jesus' death by The Council of Nicea, convened by Emperor Constantine. Google it.

      May 27, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      To be more clear, the Bible was pieced together by Iranaeus of Lyon. 150 years later, Bishop Eusebius solidified Iranaeus' work. This he took with hom to the Council of Nicea, convened by Roman Emperor Constantine in May, 325. Constantine would later relocate his seat of power to Constantinople (now Istanbul) in what is now modern-day Turkey. Constantine called his new city "the Rome of the East." Until Iranaeus' work, all books of the Bible, including what is now called The Apocrypha, were included. Iranaeus chose what he felt was not only apostolic, but chronologically "in sync."

      May 27, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • Bet

      I wasn't aware that there are autographed first editions of the gospels.

      May 28, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  10. Allan

    Never will a true Christian ever support evil but try to change that which is wron to wright. Be what you want but the day of judgement will come and you will answer to the true God.

    May 27, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • howart Dao

      Great that Cxtians are allowed to change from wrong belief to the right one 🙂

      May 27, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Of course true Christians support evil, especially if they vote Republican. Or wear plaid.

      May 27, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      I can learn more about what's wrong and what's right by going to see The Avengers again.

      May 27, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
  11. Evangelical

    Say no to the ho-mos-exual agenda!

    May 27, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • JOregon

      What Agenda?
      The only ones with an agenda are those that wish to butt into other peoples lives.
      Control Freaks and Bullies want to keep other people from finding happiness. .

      May 27, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Allan

      I support u.

      May 27, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Say no to the got milk? agenda. Say no to the Tide laundry detergent agenda. Say no to the Sasquatch agenda. Say no to the GLEE agenda. Say no to the classic rock radio agenda. Say no to the Mrs. Field's Cookies agenda. Say no the The Olive Garden agenda.￱ say no to Evangelical's moronic agenda.

      May 27, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
  12. smk

    In Quran God speaks to the whole humanity

    “Proclaim, He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him." [112:1]

    “They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.” Quran [6:100]

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    “No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is loaded with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. ... [35:18]

    "It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is". [19:35]

    God will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside God?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.[5:116]

    The Messiah, son of Mary is no more than a messenger like the messengers before him, and his mother was a saint. Both of them used to eat the food. Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate! [5:75]

    (they are condemned) for disbelieving and uttering about Mary a gross lie. [4:156]

    Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. Quran [5:46]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to clear your misconception by going to whyIslam org website.

    May 27, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      smk, I, personally, have nothing against Islam or the Muslims who practice it, but I hope you realize this post could open up a HUGE can of worms...

      May 27, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
  13. rep123

    how many times did mohler divorce? isn't this a mortal sin? how about Gingrich?

    May 27, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Nathan

      How many times did he divorce?
      None. Check your sources.

      But he's a sinner, just like you and just like me.
      And he'll tell you the same thing.
      He needs someone to save him just like the rest of us.

      May 27, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
  14. This is why I'm atheist

    Like most religious hypocrites,(wait, is that redundant??) Mohler starts his argument with the words "An honest consideration of the Bible reveals...". He's already defined anyone who doesn't agree with him as dishonest. He might as well say "everything after this sentence is [his] highly personal and completely unreasoned opinion" and that he doesn't have the courage to defend it on its own merits. Instead, he hides his weakness behind a very loose interpretation of a book of myths. Strip away all the pretty trappings, and all you have is another hateful demagogue.

    May 27, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      And LAUGHED doing it! Sure, I would've taken the dirt nap, but at least, I would've gone out self-satisfied!

      She remarried, but died two years afterward and was cremated. Thereby denying me the pleasure of dancing on her grave.

      May 27, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Whoops! Sorry! Wrong place! My bad!
      BAD smartphone...

      May 27, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
  15. Mike P

    Thank goodness someone has the courage and conviction to stand up for what the Bible actually says concerning gay relations. The Bible, especially the New Testament, is crystal clear in defining marriage as being between one man and one woman and that all relations outside of marriage are wrong. That excludes gay relations from ever being justified under Christian morality. If a Christian supports gay marriage, that Christian is defying God, Jesus, and the Bible - period.

    May 27, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Bet

      The bible is not crystal clear about anything. But if you want to discuss what it says about marriage, it also condemns divorce. Yet you don't see christians holding rallies and passing laws against divorce. Instead you focus on issues that don't affect you.

      May 27, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • JOregon

      Mike
      The bible is crystal clear that if someone divorces and marries someone else it is ADULTERY.
      Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
      Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

      Southern Baptist Churches claim to put God's blessing on such unions all the time.
      What are your thoughts about HYPOCRISY?

      May 27, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • JOregon

      Oh Mike I forgot to add that since only the death of a spouse releases someone from a marriage all sorts of hom*ophobes are married to more than one person.
      1 Corinthians 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
      1 Corinthians 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

      They are both BOUND together.
      PS
      Divorce causes harm to others.
      Two consenting gays harms no one.
      Which is worse?

      May 27, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Divorce causes harm? I respectfully disagree. My first marriage was TOXIC! I married a woman who held grudges against the male gender, had a WICKED temper, hated my friends, didn't like my hobbies, and was generally unpleasant. If I had stayed in that marriage, I would've opened up a vein in front of her to a$$ure maximum blood spatter on her.

      May 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • JOregon

      GALACTICA_CAG
      "Divorce causes harm?"

      Usually, yes. Especially to children. There may be instances where it causes little harm, but almost always there is some.
      Sounds to me like you were married to a woman that was hurting for some reason.
      I used to be married to such a woman too. She was going to counseling to deal with her mother and childhood issues when the psychologist had the great idea to give her Prozac. It masked the pain, she declared herself cured and ran. Our children were hurt, as was I. Divorce causes pain to someone.

      May 27, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Every situation is different. She didn't just have issues, she had SUBSCRIPTIONS!

      May 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • JOregon

      Yep every situation is different, in most situations divorce hurts someone.
      On the other hand what 2 consenting gay adults do with their own lives harms no one.

      May 27, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      And, Mike P, do you spend every waking moment of every day checking yourself against the Bible, lest you wreck yourself? Somehow, I don't think so.

      May 27, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
  16. RICHARD W. WILLIAMS

    ARE THE ONLY SINS THAT MANKIND SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH,ARE THE LAWS LAID DOWN IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ? APPROXIMATLY HOW MUCH TIME HAD EXPIRED FROM THE TIME MOSES WENT TO THE TOP OF MOUNT SIANI AND JESUS APPEARED ON EARTH?

    May 27, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

      May 27, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • JOregon

      I make it a habit not to read all caps posts.
      Just say NO to loud people.

      May 27, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
  17. Church OfOne

    Typical missing of the point. Mohler's "Christians" use a passage about divorce to fight polygamy, while they participate in divorce. He justifies their contextual error. How can we call Mohler a scriptural authority?

    May 27, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • Bet

      If he preached against divorce, people would stop coming to his church. That would affect the amount of money in the collection basket. It's much safer to rail against issues that don't apply to them, like gay marriage and polygamy.

      May 27, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • JOregon

      BET
      "That would affect the amount of money in the collection basket."

      Not only that, there is a whole lot of $$$$ to be made in the marriage industry.
      Divorce – Remarriage – Divorce – Remarriage – Divorce – Remarriage – Divorce – Remarriage = Big Bucks.

      May 27, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • Nathan

      Did you read his article?
      He laments the poor job the church has done regarding divorce.
      And he DOES preach about it.

      May 27, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • JOregon

      Nathan
      The Southern Baptist Churches will gladly perform a marriage ceremony when at least one of the 2 being married has divorced their spouse.
      This is really very simple:

      Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
      Mark 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

      The Southern Baptist are claiming to put God's blessing on adultery.
      That makes Mohler and the rest of the SBC ministry to be hypocrites.
      No if's and's or but's about it.

      May 27, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
    • Bet

      I am divorced, and was offered an annulment in the Catholic Church, if I was willing to lie about my "state of mind" at the time of the marriage. Oh, and pay a couple of thousand dollars to the tribunal that would hear my case. This was suggested by a priest.

      Years later, when I was a born again, I was remarried in a church with no problem.

      Do overs are allowed in the church, because if divorce was condemned from the pulpit with the same vehemence as gayness, people wouldn't go to that church. No butts in the pews = no money in the collection plate.

      I don't see any evidence of the "strong corrective" that Mohler mentions regarding divorce.

      May 28, 2012 at 11:37 am |
  18. Evangelical

    Here's my take: if you want to burn in hell, be my guest. You have free will. But don't take me with you. God will put his judgment on all of us if we allow the hom-o-s-exual agenda.

    May 27, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • JOregon

      So you are concerned you might become Gay?
      It isn't a disease. It isn't contagious. It isn't a choice.

      May 27, 2012 at 1:44 am |
    • SATAN

      You will be at my right side Mr. Evangelical, keep preaching your hate, just keep doing it.....

      May 27, 2012 at 4:11 am |
    • JWT

      what agenda is that ?

      besides your god has no power over anyone but you.

      May 27, 2012 at 7:05 am |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      SATAN! Glad to see ya! How's Saddam Hussein?

      May 27, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • J. Webster

      Since when is the existence of hell an absolute proven fact? And even if it does exist, can you explain what exactly will be "burning" there? If you throw a human body into a fire, it burns UP. It's called cremation. Are you suggesting there is some sort of magical body that burns up and then regenerates itself to burn up again? I'd like to see the evidence...

      May 28, 2012 at 1:01 am |
  19. Bobs Friend

    1. Hormones change physical development (Used for S<E<X change patients)
    2. Male and female fetuses are anatomically the same until hormones initiate gender development
    3. "The Pill" is a massive dose of the female hormone estrogen
    4. Women still get pregnant on the Pill, without knowing they're pregnant
    5. Gay men frequently have female brain structure

    Being gay may be the result of being a fetus exposed to estrogen in-utero during the gender development stage.

    May 26, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • Bobs Friend

      Even Though I'm a Christian, I know people are born Gay. The worst thing a Christian can do is tell a gay person they weren't born that way. The problem is this idea that if they were born gay.. does that mean being gay cannot be a sin? i.e. "God made me this way, therefore..."
      The problem is they don't agree with the Christian assumption of the Fall of Man.. i.e., the assumption, (which of course is backed up by all of histories evidence) the mankind is already inherently evil. Yet we still have to instruct our children not to steal and lie. If we don't they will steal and lie even as toddlers.

      If Gayness is basically in-utero hormonal variables or environmental influence, then we should detect it early and hormonally correct it before we produce gender confused people.

      May 26, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
    • JOregon

      Bobs Friend
      Interesting Idea, and it may have merit.
      I am 60 and I remember a set of twins that were born Gay from my childhood.
      I doubt any artificial hormone levels were responsible in the 50's.
      I am a Christian too, and I think there is way too much emphasis on this topic among Christians.

      May 27, 2012 at 1:41 am |
    • Bet

      This is interesting, but there are a lot more variables involved.

      1. Gender difference is initiated by a wash of either estrogen, for females, and testosterone for males. Gay women have brains similar to straight men's. Estrogen doesn't cause male gender initiation.

      2. The pill has only been around for 50 years. Hom o se xu al ity has been around for as long as humanity has. There is no evidence that it is on the increase, only that gay people are not as closeted as in the past.

      3. Ho mo se xu al behavior can be observed in nearly all animal species, but only humans take the pill.

      4. The study sample you are referencing was very small, 90 subjects. Large scale studies need to be done before any conclusions about brain symmetry and amygdalan connections can be made. This is not to say that the research has no merit, I believe that it does. It also makes no suggestion as to what causes these differences, hormonal or other, only that the differences exist in these 90 subjects.

      5. Bi se xu al ity, trans gender, and trans se xu al orientations are not addressed.

      6. Gay people are not "gender confused". Gay men know they are men. Gay women know they are women. They simply attracted to people of the same gender.

      May 27, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Bet

      In addition, the idea that we should detect gay-ness in utero and correct it assumes that gay-ness is an affliction that needs to be corrected. It is an orientation, not an affliction. It's a normal variation of se xu al ity that occurs in nearly all species.

      May 27, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  20. Kindness

    Kindness
    Some thoughts to consider without a typical ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Let go and let god".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome .

    May 26, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Does that mean we should stop putting telescopes into orbit? Stop shooting men and women into space? Stop working to colonize other planets?

      May 26, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Get Real

      "Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?"

      There is nothing like the EGO of one who believes that an almighty, uber-smart, fancy-dancing supernatural being loves YOU to bits and desperately wants the bliss of spending eternity with YOU!

      May 26, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • GALACTICA_CAG

      Desire for knowledge is a sin? Mormon theology says "The glory of God is intelligence. Never be afraid of discovery." This was told to me by Glen A. Larson, the creator of the original Battlestar Galactica, at a science fiction convention in 1993. He also told me the part that says "As man is, God WAS. As God is now, MAN MAY BECOME. After you have seeded and nurtured new civilizations. After you have evolved."

      May 26, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
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