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My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality
The author writes that it's fine for Christians to take certain biblical condemnations seriously while ignoring others.
May 21st, 2012
10:00 AM ET

My Take: The Bible condemns a lot, but here's why we focus on homosexuality

Editor's Note: R. Albert Mohler Jr. is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the flagship school of the Southern Baptist Convention and one of the largest seminaries in the world.

By R. Albert Mohler Jr., Special to CNN

Are conservative Christians hypocritical and selective when it comes to the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality? With all that the Bible condemns, why the focus on gay sex and same-sex marriage?

Given the heated nature of our current debates, it’s a question conservative Christians have learned to expect. “Look,” we are told, “the Bible condemns eating shellfish, wearing mixed fabrics and any number of other things. Why do you ignore those things and insist that the Bible must be obeyed when it comes to sex?”

On its face, it’s a fair question. But it can be posed in two very different ways.

First, the question can be asked to suggest that the Bible’s clear condemnation of sexual sins can simply be set aside. The other way of posing the question represents a genuine attempt to understand how the Bible is to be rightly applied to life today.

In truth, those asking the question the first way really don’t want an answer.

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An honest consideration of the Bible reveals that most of the biblical laws people point to in asking this question, such as laws against eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics, are part of the holiness code assigned to Israel in the Old Testament. That code was to set Israel, God’s covenant people, apart from all other nations on everything from morality to diet.

As the Book of Acts makes clear, Christians are not obligated to follow this holiness code. This is made clear in Peter’s vision in Acts 10:15. Peter is told, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

In other words, there is no kosher code for Christians. Christians are not concerned with eating kosher foods and avoiding all others. That part of the law is no longer binding, and Christians can enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience.

The Bible’s commands on sexual behavior, on the other hand, are continued in the New Testament. When it comes to homosexuality, the Bible’s teaching is consistent, pervasive, uniform and set within a larger context of law and Gospel.

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The Old Testament clearly condemns male homosexuality along with adultery, bestiality, incest and any sex outside the covenant of marriage. The New Testament does not lessen this concern but amplifies it.

The New Testament condemns both male and female homosexual behavior. The Apostle Paul, for example, points specifically to homosexuality as evidence of human sinfulness. His point is not merely that homosexuals are sinners but that all humanity has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

The New Testament condemns a full range of sexual sins, and homosexuality is specified among these sins. In Romans, Paul refers to homosexuality in terms of “dishonorable passions,” “contrary to nature” and “shameless.” As New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon has stated, the Bible’s indictment “encompasses every and any form of homosexual behavior.”

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Some people then ask, “What about slavery and polygamy?” In the first place, the New Testament never commands slavery, and it prizes freedom and human dignity. For this reason, the abolitionist movement was largely led by Christians, armed with Christian conviction.

The Old Testament did allow for polygamy, though it normalizes heterosexual monogamy. In the New Testament, Jesus made clear that marriage was always meant to be one man and one woman.

“Have you not read that He who created them made them male and female?” Jesus asked in Matthew. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” For this reason, Christians have opposed polygamy on biblical grounds.

Why are Christians so concerned with homosexuality? In the first place, that question is answered by the simple fact that it is the most pressing moral question of our times. Christians must be concerned about adultery, pornography, injustice, dishonesty and everything the Bible names as sin. But when my phone rings with a call from a reporter these days, the question I am asked is never adultery or pornography. It is about homosexuality.

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Christians who are seriously committed to the authority of the Bible have no choice but to affirm all that the Bible teaches, including its condemnation of homosexuality. At the same time, our confidence is that God condemns those things that will bring his human creatures harm and commands those things that will lead to true human happiness and flourishing.

In other words, we understand that the Bible condemns all forms of sin because our Creator knows what is best for us. The Bible names sins specifically so that each of us will recognize our own sinfulness and look to Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of our sins.

Christian love requires that we believe and teach what the Bible teaches and that we do so with both strong conviction and humble hearts. The Church must repent of our failures in both of these tasks, but we must not be silent where the Bible speaks.

Are Christians hypocrites in insisting that homosexual behavior is sin? We, too, are sinners, and hypocrisy and inconsistency are perpetual dangers.

The church failed miserably in the face of the challenge of divorce. This requires an honest admission and strong corrective.

At the same time, this painful failure must remind us that we must not fail to answer rightly when asked what the Bible teaches about homosexuality. Love requires us to tell the truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of R. Albert Mohler Jr.

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  1. lala

    JW – just repeating what you said – your response is even more self involved. My church would never hold a gay marriage.....nor would any church in my city. We do not have to bend or move......this issue has already split up more churches than we could mention. Here is the gay motto: me me me me me me me me me me

    May 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      No one is forcing your church to perform same gender marriages. Nothing in J.W's post said that.

      May 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      And, as an observation, who is the more selfish? Someone who has something that they will not share, or someone who does not have something and wants it?

      May 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • lemon

      Weightinyuk – so caring of you to try and interpret....wow. You are so predictable, its like you are reading the unbelievers guide for discussion. You guys don't even realize what it sounds like when you casually mention..."christian gays"....TWISTED!!! Get your own religion and leave us alone

      May 30, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • J.W

      So according to your logic black people were just being selfish when they didn't want to be slaves. I they wanted to have freedom they should have just escaped and gone to a different country.

      May 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • J.W

      lemon are you repeating what Jesus said to the tax collectors and sinners "I do not want you to follow me. So find your own religion and live me alone."

      May 30, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @lemon,

      Weightinyuk – so caring of you to try and interpret....wow.

      I was directly asked to participate by lala, in the post below from J.W.

      You are so predictable, its like you are reading the unbelievers guide for discussion. You guys don't even realize what it sounds like when you casually mention..."christian gays"....TWISTED!!! Get your own religion and leave us alone

      For whatever it's worth, I am not an "unbeliever", nor am I Christian. My beliefs are between m and the Divine. Also, for whatever it's worth, I am not gay, nor do I desire marriage for myself. I am quite happy single and bi-s.exual.

      As to the comment implying that one can not be gay and Christian, I do believe that is between the individual and his or her god, don't you?

      May 30, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • NY

      Do you also consider all straight folks who love their spouses and families enough to want a formal marriage "selfish"?

      Please explain how forming a family is all about me me me me me

      May 30, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
  2. J.W

    If you don't want a gay person to marry in your church then find a different church.

    May 30, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • lala

      Weightinwords – do you hear this guy? He said I should leave my church......if a gay wants to marry there. This is NOT simple or easy – OR WE WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE LAW YEARS AGO!!!! duh!!

      May 30, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • J.W

      I think you were putting words in my mouth there. If most of the congregants in your church are supportive of it why should they all have to bend over backwards for you?

      May 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @lala, I think you are reading more into what J.W said than he meant. He said, "If you don't want a gay person to marry in your church then find a different church.", which is, admittedly, not particularly carefully worded.

      If your church allows gay marriage, and you disagree, then yes, you and your faith would be best served in finding a new church.

      If you church does not allow gay marriage, and you disagree, then yes, you and your faith would be best served in finding a new church.

      No one is forcing you to attend a church with which you disagree.

      May 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
  3. Manny

    LoL Ive read ppl post asking Prism to prove God? Asking someone to prove god is asking someone to prove electricity, prove air, prove wind and etc... Just because it isn't visible doesn't mean it doesn't exist. As we all know, certain things exist not so much because we could see them but becacuse we could see what they do, what they did, or the effect it has. No house has ever been built by accident or by billions and billions of years. Every house was built and designed by someone. This earth only exists and can sustain human life because it was carefuly thought out and designed. Our human body is so marvalous in how it was designed. Our brain, was designed in such a way that its un immaginable how much our brain is capable of, yet sadly we only use a small percantage of it. Our body was designed to heal and fix itself and live for ever. I could go on and on with how we can't visibly see God but just as how we can't see air but know it exists; we cant see god but there are many signs and proff that something out there, you could call it god, alien, higher being, call it what you'd like; but something out there desgined and created everything we know. PPl like to say, prove that god exist... well I ask you... prove that he doesn't exist. Prove that evolution can create NEW species from one type to anohter. Yes we know ppl and animals can adapt, but do we have any proof that new species can emerge from another? Wheres that proof? All scientist can do and say are theories. Theories are not fact. If God didn't exist, and didnt give us a bible to answer our many questions... How is it possible that the bible clearly had answers such as that the earth is round and hangs over nothing?

    I doubt that a simple man who lived hundreds of years before this was ever even known would have that knowledge. But I know not to expect anyone to be convinced with what Ive said. The bible did state that the majority would be blinded from the truth. I simply thought it was hilarious that ppl asked to prove god, yet they are satisified with ppl's theories which are not facts, and have no solid proof that god doesn't exist. Yet they believe that if I were to grab a bag of electronics, throw them in a box and let them sit there for billions of years and expect that some day, these electronics would some day form a computer, and not just a computer but expect to have the latest Microsoft 7 with all the updates. and perhaps eventually have an anti virus installed as well. Because its so much more common sense to believe that a house could be built on its own without someone who designs or builds it. That is so much more common sense than to believe that something or somoene out there had something to do with it. Call it an alien, god, or creature. Something out there designed us and had a hand in creating everything we know.

    May 30, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "If God didn't exist, and didnt give us a bible to answer our many questions... How is it possible that the bible clearly had answers such as that the earth is round and hangs over nothing? "

      Your bible has been proven not to be an historical document. LOL!

      May 30, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • Dr David

      Amazing words Manny......

      May 30, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "That is so much more common sense than to believe that something or somoene out there had something to do with it. Call it an alien, god, or creature. Something out there designed us and had a hand in creating everything we know."

      And what created your god? 😉 LOL!

      May 30, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • Vick

      you can't always get whatchya want....good song!! Everyone deserves human rights – marriage rights are for a man and a woman. you can kick, scream, march, yell.....not gonna change that fact that California and North Carolina threw it out – this is the voice of the people and God

      May 30, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Manny wrote, " Prove that evolution can create NEW species from one type to anohter. Yes we know ppl and animals can adapt, but do we have any proof that new species can emerge from another? Wheres that proof? All scientist can do and say are theories. Theories are not fact. "

      Here's what I don't get – fundiots like you purposefully choose to be ignorant about science. Yet you come onto internet threads and make posts demonstrating that ignorance. It's like you're proud to be stupid.

      We see speciation all the time. However you fundiots don't have a freaking clue as to what it is. Instead you want to see a car that evolved into a dog. Or a half man, half banana, with wings and gills. We try and explain the facts to fundiots like you, but you refuse to understand.

      You don't even understand that in science, theory is as high as it gets. Theories never get "promoted to fact or law. Theories exist to explain sets of facts and laws.

      Yes your bible says the earth is round. Round is not spherical. Round is 2 dimensional.

      So, Manny, why do you fundiots lie?

      May 30, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Bet

      Electricity can be measured and quantified. Wind can be measured and quantified. Air can be measured and quantified. Natural phenomena can be measured and quantified even if it is invisible. At one time, man believed that gods caused rain. Now we know it's simply water droplets that gather and fall, but don't evaporate before they hit the ground. A rainbow is nothing more than light refracted by water, it's not a sign from god.

      Evolution is nothing more than genetic selection of desirable traits. Man has learned, through genetics, to help in the process. The corn we have today is nothing like the corn of even fifty years ago, because man has selectively bred it to grow faster and produce more. These changes would have happened anyway, but would have taken millennia to do so.

      The simpler the organism, the faster it evolves. Flu virus can evolve very quickly to be resistant to current medication. That's why you have to get a new flu shot every year. A new strain of virus has evolved, the old vaccine doesn't work anymore. That is how nature works.

      As far as your computer analogy goes, lol. Only living things can evolve. Inanimate objects can't evolve, duh.

      May 30, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
  4. Jen

    Bet – for the thousandth time – You are not the voice for the gay community – you do not speak for all of us!! you have alot of facts wrong....and are representing the community in a hostile, arrogant way

    May 30, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Sammy

      Its weird – instead of just admitting that some of you want to marry in the christian church – which CNN did a show on!! You guys are just yelling not true??? It is true and to the rest of us it makes your credibility kind of scarey

      May 30, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      Sammy,

      The only gay people who want to get married in a Christian church are Christian gay people. Period.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "instead of just admitting that some of you want to marry in the christian church – which CNN did a show on!! You guys are just yelling not true???"

      Only Christian gays would want something like that, just like only Christian straights get married in a church. Most people I know did not get married in a church, they rented a facility or they got married in their back yards. Duh!

      May 30, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • Bet

      Jen, I certainly don't claim to speak for the entire gay community, any more than I can claim that I speak for all women. I am simply pointing out that no one is trying to force any church to perform gay marriages. That is a lie that some people are preaching from the pulpit. It is against the law to tell a church who they can and can't marry. However, the First Amendment also prohibits churches from forcing the government to pass laws based on their religion.

      You are free to believe in whatever god, book or church you want. Just don't try to make it the law of the land.

      May 30, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
  5. johnj

    Great, just pick and choose what's convenient for you. Albert Mohler, you are ignorant and arrogant person.

    May 30, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
  6. Pablo

    Ah, balanced perspectives in the CNN Religion Blog? What a breath of fresh air. Whether you agree or not it's always nice to get a couple different sides on an issue.

    May 30, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Elliot

      Agree Mark in California!!!! That is exactly what it would be like!!! So why is it happening!!! CNN themselves have done segments about this very thing – why do gays want to marry in our churches??? Why

      May 30, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Bet

      Eliot,

      For the thousandth time, gays don't care about being married in a christian church. There are plenty of christian churches that will marry them, but if a church chooses not to, they have that right.

      Gays want their civil rights due to them under the United States Const.itution. Nothing more, nothing less.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @Elliot – gays don't want to get married in your church. This is another fundiot lie. Marriage is a CIVIL CONTRACT

      May 30, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
  7. The Christian messenger

    Gay marriage is the gobments bussiness Christians ought ot mind their own businness ...say take care fo adultery fornication and drunkeness among a few things

    May 30, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
    • Elliot

      Hey good plan and you guys deal with the thousands and thousands of children that have been molested by GAY priests – who want to remain gay and priests and not pay any damages to the victims.....You want us to mind our business – but all I see are gays who want to be in church

      May 30, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Bet

      Eliot, if you don't know the difference between a gay person and a pedophile, you're just plain ignorant.Thousands of young girls were molested by priests, too. They don't get as much press because it's not as sensational. Gays are just as horrified at pedophilia as straight people.

      The church is trying to cover up the rampant pedophilia in their priesthood. Not gays. The church. The supposedly christian church.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
  8. Grey

    Sam....unclog the drain in your head!! Gays wanting to marry in the christian church is a BIG DEAL – why??? Because the gay squad who are fighting in the political arena will try and make the bible hate literature and make it illegal for churches to refuse to marry them....Wake up and read your gay newsletters!! Sooooo it is a serious situation and one we will fight to the end

    May 30, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Because the gay squad who are fighting in the political arena will try and make the bible hate literature and make it illegal for churches to refuse to marry them"

      Marriage is a civil right and no the churches wouldn't be forced to marry them, it's already happening in some states and it's NOT an issue. Only prejudice bigots write the trash you do.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Mark in California

      @Grey: you must be listening to your Christain Gay-haters if you think that gays want to marry in a Gay-hating Christian Christian Church. That would be like Christians wanting to marry in a Satanical church. It serves no purpose.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Adrean

      Marriage is a civil right between a man and a woman. It is not your civil right, never will be......You guys love to "skirt" the issue – and choose not to listen.....but why don't one of you man up and address the fact – THAT GAYS WANT TO MARRY IN THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH......you can plug your ears all day long and say lalalalala.....but we are not!!! Deal with this in your camp and maybe you will see a different response!! Denial is stupid

      May 30, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Elliot

      Grey you are talking to the clouds.....this crowd want to take down society one law at a time.....and then say – "Oh we just want this one thing...thats all" Bull.....the agenda is huge and this is all smoke and mirrors.....

      May 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Bet

      Unclog your own head. Gays are not fighting for church weddings. The First Amendment allows a church to refuse to marry whomever they please.

      Gay people are fighting for their civil rights under the law. There's a difference. Even a big fancy church wedding isn't valid unless you have a state issued license.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • YeahRight

      ".but why don't one of you man up and address the fact – THAT GAYS WANT TO MARRY IN THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH."

      There are thousands of gay christian churches and churches that would welcome the opportunity. but it won't be forced on the church. Only prejudice bigots think it will. Again there are several states where gays can get legally married and it's not an issue. Duh!

      May 30, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • YeahRight

      ".this crowd want to take down society one law at a time.....and then say – "Oh we just want this one thing...thats all" Bull.....the agenda is huge and this is all smoke and mirrors....."

      That's why when it comes to civil rights Christians have had to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing what is morally right. Duh!

      May 30, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Adrean

      Wrong. Civil rights are for everyone. That's the law.

      If a christian church doesn't want to marry a gay couple, they don't have to. No one is going to force them into it.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Claiming gays want to force the churches to marry them is as stupid and idiotic as saying Jews are trying to force Catholic churches to marry them.

      Why do you fundiots lie like this? Do you think your god finds it pleasing to see you môrons making a mockery of him?

      May 30, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      No one is trying to force anyone into going against their own religious beliefs.

      What is being demanded is equality. Simple. Easy. Remember that bit in the Declaration of Independence that declares that all men are created equal? The part that states that all men are endowed of specific rights? Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

      A religious inst.itution retains it's right to deny membership or sacrament to any it does not deem fit. And that's okay, because if a gay or lesbian couple want a religious ceremony to celebrate their marriage, there are plenty of churches, synagogues, groves, covens, etc willing and able to provide.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • NY

      Gay Christians would like to marry in their congregations, just as the straight folks in their congregations do. It's not that difficult to understand. Most gay Christians belong to congregations that welcome them, but some were raised in congregations that do not, but it hurts to much to leave and cut the ties with your church family, all for a simple God-given natural trait.
      If it's about freedom of religion, than any recognized denomination should be able to marry gay coup\eels, and if you take away THEIR right to do that, whose religion is "free".?

      May 30, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • sam stone

      adrean: if it is a CIVIL RIGHT, you cannot define it as being only between a man and a woman.

      May 31, 2012 at 4:07 am |
  9. Three

    Millions and millions and millions of people on this planet are Christians.....and the minority here are throwing stones in revolt to our belief. You figure it out......

    May 30, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Leafy

      Grey...what do you mean try to? They have already tried both in court!!!! It is sad the gay community does not know or understand the stakes for the christian community in this – they are only thinking of their gay shopping list

      May 30, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Millions and millions and millions of people on this planet are Christians.....and the minority here are throwing stones in revolt to our belief. You figure it out......"

      Just like African Americans and women had to do in order to get their civil rights. Christians have always been on the wrong side or morality. Duh!

      May 30, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Bet

      No one cares about your christian beliefs. Feel free to keep them to yourselves. A church can marry or not marry as they wish.

      This is about civil rights under the law. Christians have no right to demand legislation that denies civil rights to anyone. It goes against the First Amendment. The first amendment doesn't just protect religions from government interference. It also protects the government from religious interference. Think what you want, this is not a "christian nation".

      A minority threw stones at the idea of slavery once, too. Were they wrong?

      May 30, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Leafy

      Gay shopping list? LOL! What else is on it?

      Milk
      Bread
      Yogurt
      Eggs
      Civil rights

      May 30, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ Leafy – your christian communities can continue to be as ignorant, and hômophobic, and bigoted as you want. But we are not a theocracy. Neither your version of a cobbled together deity, nor any other invented deity, has standing in our secular laws.

      Sorry to burst your bubble. Perhaps you would be happier in Iran. They hate a lot of the same people you môrons hate.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • sam stone

      Three: More people are NOT christians then are christians

      May 31, 2012 at 4:07 am |
  10. MikeS

    Which is worse? King David lusting after his general's wife, ordering the general to lead his troops in a suicide mission, then taking the widow as his own? Or, my daughter and her partner wanting the commitment and previleges of marriage to celebrate their long-term relationship? Which gets the fire and brimstone sermons?

    May 30, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Three

      Sorry Mike S....this equation is not based on principles....but your own situation. That is like saying – is ok if we steal, we are poor and really need the money, is ok if we break the law..? King David sinned, as many other christians have.....doesn't make it right. God created marriage between a man and a woman. Nothing will ever change that.

      May 30, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "God created marriage between a man and a woman. Nothing will ever change that."

      No that was a bias writer who had no clue about sexual orientation when the bible was written. There are over 1500 species that have been documented in having homosexual relationships so if your God really did create everything it created gay people too, since science has shown being gay has a biological component to it. Which is why the experts have said being gay isn't a choice, it's not a mental illness and it can't be voluntarily changed. Duh!

      May 30, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Primewonk

      " God created marriage between a man and a woman. Nothing will ever change that."

      Wrong. Your version of a god was cobbled together from other minor deities in the area. Marriage long predates your god crawling onto the scene.

      Why do you fundiots lie like this?

      May 30, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  11. bckerr

    Thou shalt not kill. Yet we have tons of "so called" religious people in the military. Gotta love that one, but let's not have any gay's.....ohhhhhh

    May 30, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Tall Tree

      Your comment is like bathroom wall graffiti – not even worth reading. Empty, baseless comment....leaving out so many facts and the heart of this great country...it is sickening. coward

      May 30, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • craig

      Correct translation is do not murder. big difference

      May 30, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  12. samuel

    this is bull people have the right to love who they want . And not all people don't follow the holly Bible in there religion.

    May 30, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Kim

      love, love, love, all we need is love, love, love

      May 30, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Grey

      Wow that was deep Sam. Can you tell us then – why do gay people want to marry in the christian church?? I really want to know....

      May 30, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Bet

      Grey,

      They don't necessarily want a church sanctioned marriage, just to have the same rights under the First Amendment that you enjoy. It gives them legal rights that they don't have by merely living under the same roof.

      If a church doesn't want to marry gay couples, that's their business and they don't have to. We are talking about civil rights. There's a difference.

      May 30, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  13. brad

    Just last week at my mother's funeral my gay partner of 32 years paid tribute to her and her love for us, from the pulpit of her Southern Baptist church. This man's views, along with the views of his Sothern Baptist forebears who defended slavery will in 100 years or less be an embarassment to his family. Southern Baptist were founded over defence of slavery,and now by opposing love in a world that needs it. How pathetic.

    May 30, 2012 at 3:37 am |
    • Grey

      Tom Tom has dryer lint stuck between his ears.....taking meds again eh? Gay marriage has nothing to do with Christianity???Why do so many gays want to marry in a christian church?? I know its hard to fathom – but its true, that is first problem. Second is that God only designed this union for a man and woman.....

      May 30, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Bet

      Perhaps you're the one with a dryer lint problem. Gay people want the right to have a legal marriage under their First Amendment rights. It's a civli rights matter.

      Any couple, straight or gay, has to get a marriage license issued by their state whether they have a church wedding or not in order to receive the legal rights and privileges afforded them under the law. Currently, gay couples can't get this license in many states.

      Just having a church wedding doesn't make it legal. The state issued marriage license does.

      A church can marry or not marry whomever they please.

      May 30, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Grey,

      Gay marriage has nothing to do with Christianity???

      Well, that will depend on whether the gay couple in question are Christians and if they chose to be married in a Christian church that is willing to perform the ceremony, doesn't it?

      Why do so many gays want to marry in a christian church??

      The only gays I know of who wish to be married in a Christian church are Christians themselves, thus the desire to include their god in their wedding ceremony. Just like the gay Jewish folk want to be married in a synagogue and Pagan gay folk want to be married in circle.

      Second is that God only designed this union for a man and woman

      Actually, if you were to use the bible as your "god says" regarding marriage, it is a whole lot more complicated than a man and a woman.

      Marriage does not belong to Christianity. It has taken many different forms over the years and in different cultures. Even just here in the US, the definition of marriage has changed drastically since the Pilgrims hit Plymouth.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
  14. PRISM 1234

    G-a-y marriage is wrong because it is a perversion of God's natural order and His laws. Even the heathens know that it is an abomination, but this generation of self absorbed rebels knows only love of self and what justifies IT.
    No matter how one clothed and decorated it, even to suggest that the inst-itu-tion of marriage should be so desecrated, it is an abomination and great offence in the sight of God. He is the One who insti-tu-ted Marriage, and to alter it and devalue it's meaning is the quickest way to destruction of a civilization, and it's demise . You can't mess with God's laws without bearing consequences thereof.. ... Even the nature itself teaches us not to mess with it, lest we destroy our own planet... We all know what genetic engineering has done to our food supply.. we know what a man has done with altering things in nature.... Yet rebellious, self willed, sinful, arrogant man dares to wave his fist in the face of God, demanding his "rights" to warp God's Laws, even His natural order..... This is truly a generation of fools! But they do not know what is awaiting them!

    May 29, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Gay marriage has nothing to do with your beliefs, you simpleton. Marriage isn't religious; it's a legal contract. If you don't believe it, try getting your marriage recognized by the government if you have nothing but a religious ceremony, you friggin' moron.

      May 29, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Tom,Tom
      You do not know that God has given laws to mankind to preserve human society.

      P.S...You of all people, call ME a simpleton? LOL!

      You dear Tom, Tom, are a poor soul of very shallow understanding!

      May 29, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're a friggin' moron. God didn't 'give' anyone anything, nitwit. Laws are made by people. Your imaginary fairy has nothing to do with it.

      Grow up, Tweedledumdum.

      May 29, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You want some respect, Prissy the Dolt? Answer the question I asked you. If God ordained that you should marry and have s3x with someone of your own gender, would you do it? Even if you weren't attracted to the person? Even if you didn't love the person?

      Answer, and don't lie.

      May 29, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • howart Dao

      hi neon prism:

      May 29, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Tom, Tom
      My value as a person, and co-nvi-ctions I have do not depend on other people's respect. People of the world crave it, but it is for lack of the higher purpose in their lives. There is a void in every person's heart, which nothing else can fill but God, because He has put it there, reserving it for Himself. So, if He doesn't fill it, there will always be a craving and restlessness in a persons life.....
      However, I will say few things to you....
      The question you asked is totally ab-surd. There is no "IF"s with God. In His wisdom He created us, He set the Standard, and against this standard ALL THINGS ARE MEASURED...
      God did not create us to "have s-ex' with persons of same gender. In fact, God did not create us to have se-x with anyone 'just to have se-x, because we like to have it....

      The ability to have a se-xual union with another person was given to us for much deeper purpose then to gra-tify our lewd nature's lusts. To do it "for pleasure" is to debase and devalue one's own person, and nothing leaves someone more scared emotionally and psychologically then squandering one's own person through se-xual lusts.
      You will not hear shrinks telling you that, because we live in a world where cheapening one's person by sleeping around is somehow fitted in individual "right" , being even classified as "need" by those who go with the flow of which ever wind blows, seeking acknowledment and aproval from the massess.
      But it is a fact that every counselor is very well aware of damage one suffers by living promiscuous lifestyle. I myself have seen untold cases that prove exactly what I'm saying here....... Many tears , heartaches and many miseries were and are still afflicted on untold number of human beings because man has abused this gift that was given to him and turned it into something that kills him inside and causes his soul to flee from him! Yes, indeed, he has sold his sown soul just to fulfill these lusts.
      But God didn't design it that way. That's why Marriage is a sacred inst-it-ution. And in this unholy world we're living in, if we allow it to be even more desecrated then already is by filth of por-nogr-aphy and co-nstant barrage of suggestions that tear it down and drag it into the mud... if we allow it to go even further into deprivation by calling a h-se-xual union a Marriage, then we have no further or deeper to fall, since that's the shortcut to the bottom...
      I'm not betting on your ability to understand the things written here, but how I wish to God you and others would! But I know the reason why you don't. You, people, just don't know how much you NEED the Lord!

      May 29, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • Bet

      "To do it "for pleasure" is to debase and devalue one's own person"

      Really? So s.ex is just for making babies? I feel sorry for you. Your posts are completely devoid of humanity. You blather on and on in long, boring filibusters that are full of condemnation and hate. You can't even answer a direct question because you don't know how. All you can do is regurgitate whatever you hear from the pulpit.

      Do you ever just have fun? Do you ever let go and enjoy yourself without worrying that god is going to slap you down for taking a few hours to delight in family and friends, art, music, theatre, food, or anything outside of church? It sure doesn't sound like it.

      May 30, 2012 at 3:36 am |
    • myweightinwords

      Have you spoken to many heathens about the subject?

      Most of the Asatru I know support gay marriage.

      May 30, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • WASP

      @prism: 1) without using scripture prove god.
      2) show me where "marriage" orginated? i'm certain the celts had their own idea of marriage long before roman legions invaded and slaughtered them.
      3) s-e-x is the most intimate action you can share with another human because you are at your most vulnerable during such an act, plus the action of sleeping beside another human shows trust as well.
      4) marriage is a legal contract due to the fact the church would marry anyone to anyone in history; the church use to marry brother and sisters to keep the monarchical blood "all in the family" so we set marriage up as a state function instead of religious funtion, so you will lose everytime you cite your bible as proof of anything when it requires "faith" which is belief in something without proof.

      May 30, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Evian Bidet

      so you're saying God doesn't like watching a-n-a-l s-e-x?

      May 30, 2012 at 10:12 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Oh please! God's Laws? You're kidding right? 6 of the 10 Commandments are outright unconsti.tutional! Only 3 of the commandments are part our laws and the breaking the 10th is the entire basis of our economy.

      May 30, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Prism1234
      If modern man (especially Western man) has a sense of propritorship over the earth and an in-born sense that everything on the planet is for the sole exploitation of Mankind to suit his own ends, it stems from God's word that we have dominion over everything.
      Remember – the Christian God is both anthropomorphic and anthropocentric – He created the entire universe just to have us in it as the predilect object of Creation – therefore everything else is here just for our edification.

      The argument in favour of gay marriage has nothing to do with God – who is to keep out of our laws. It has everything to do with equality and affording everyone, be they straight, gay, Christian or heathen, the same legal rights and protections.
      I've been raising a family with teh same person for nigh on a decade and we are not married – nor do we plan on having any kind of ceremony. She and I both had multiple partners before meeting each other. Because of that, we knew all ready what we like and don't like when entering into our relationship. What we did in the bedroom before meeting each other hasn't had any negative impact whatsoever – if anything, our respective experiences are a boon.
      We actually met through mutual friends who were a lesbian couple. Back then, I lived in the Gay Village and all my girlfriends were lesbians, many of whom were in long term relatkonships far healthier and more supportive than my straight friends'. Some of them got married after gay marriage was legalized in Canada, some of them started families too. So far, none of those couples have divorced and their families are just as happy, healthy and well adjusted as any other.

      May 30, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • YeahRight

      "G-a-y marriage is wrong because it is a perversion of God's natural order and His laws. Even the heathens know that it is an abomination, but this generation of self absorbed rebels knows only love of self and what justifies IT."

      That's why it's been documented in 1500 other specifics. That's why the experts in this country have stated heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. . Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      Your opinions are not based on REAL facts. Duh!

      May 30, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • YeahRight

      "There is a void in every person's heart, which nothing else can fill but God, because He has put it there, reserving it for Himself. So, if He doesn't fill it, there will always be a craving and restlessness in a persons life"

      Actually they proved that it's just a chemical reaction in your brain and has nothing to do with a god.

      May 30, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • YeahRight

      "That's why Marriage is a sacred inst-it-ution."

      No, it's a recognized federal civil rights law in the United States is grounded in the U.S. Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court. By this standard, marriage has long been established as a civil right.

      The operative constitutional text is section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which was ratified in 1868. The relevant passages read as follows:

      No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

      May 30, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Charles

      @Prism 1234. Thanks for speaking truth. The times about which the Bible speaks are surely upon us:

      "But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power." 2 Timothy 3:1-4.

      May 30, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • YeahRight

      "The times about which the Bible speaks are surely upon us:

      "But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power." 2 Timothy 3:1-4."

      Do you know how many times people have said that in the last 2000 years? LMAO! What is so hysterical is Christians want to claim they own real morality when in fact their own history has shown the exact opposite. LMAO!

      May 30, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • CopperBot

      LOL PRISM 1234! You say "You do not know that God has given laws to mankind to preserve human society." Where are the laws from God telling us to preserve the natural environment? If Christians were really the Christ-like stewards of earth they claim to be then they would be on the forefront of environmentalism ensuring that we take care of this world until Jesus returns but they don't. Christians are among the least concerned peoples when it comes to the natural world. They deny climate science, deny the need for conservation and continue to pillage the earth because:

      1) The earth, made by God for man must be Infinite and could never possibly fail to provide for them and
      2) Even if it did heaven is where we're headed for eternity anyhow.

      What a complete crock. I spent the first 25 years of my life buying into this bull and I'm through with it. Christians are the least Christ-like people on the planet and would most certainly without a doubt be the first to crucify Jesus again should he return. They wouldn't even recognize him!

      So please, continue to site laws handed down from God regarding how people love one another. Meanwhile the rest of the world will move on. Eventually your kind will cease to exist. Your numbers shrink more and more every year.

      May 30, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Bet

      @ Charles

      Threats of the last days are just another way that religion uses fear to control people. God is coming soon. Better repent before it's too late. Pass the collection basket, don't forget that god wants you to give me 10% of your gross income.

      Pardon me if I don't hold my breath.

      May 30, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      " I spent the first 25 years of my life buying into this bull and I'm through with it'

      Isn't that something! .... You spent 25 years of your life being exposed to the Word of God, yet never encountered the risen Savior, nor received new birth by His Spirit! Because if you did, you would know the truth, the truth would have set you free, and you would have never fallen away. But instead of beholding Christ, you had your eyes on man. Everything you said in post above signifies that!
      And you think you're liberated... What a sad, wasted life!

      May 30, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Bet

      Speaking of wasted lives, Prism1234 is back.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "You spent 25 years of your life being exposed to the Word of God, yet never encountered the risen Savior, nor received new birth by His Spirit! Because if you did, you would know the truth, the truth would have set you free, and you would have never fallen away. But instead of beholding Christ, you had your eyes on man. Everything you said in post above signifies that!
      And you think you're liberated... What a sad, wasted life!"

      See people you too can become a bitter judgmental person like this if you join their cult.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      LOL! You people are full of cr@p. You look for cover to hide in every nook and cranny just so you could justify your self-gratifying ways, and you certainly have to stoop pretty low to fit in them....

      There is not much left to say to people like you. Live your deluded lives, and when your time of appointment comes, you'll see who had you in his grip and lead you by the nose! Satan has made fools out of you, and you're so blind that you don't even see the road you're on and where its leading you!.
      But you won't be able to say you didn't know! In that Day it will be better for those who never heard the truth, then for you who did, but shunned it and mocked those who spoke it to you.
      Just let time pass, and it will tell all things, bringing all things to light! And God who created you and gave you life, to whom you owe everything, will have the LAST WORD!

      May 30, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @PRISM

      RANDOM words in capitals MAKE IT look like you're SAYING something important when in fact it is self-righteous IDOCY at best.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @Charles
      Thank you also, friend, for standing in the Truth. Blessed are those who are not offended by it....

      God gave the words of comfort to Daniel long ago, saying “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand."
      He is saying the same words to us today!

      God's blessing ad His peace be with you and yours!

      May 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      HG, what's rubbing ya wrong? Is it God's LAST WORD?

      And where do I boast of MY own righteousness? It is God who is righteous, and we ALL will be judged by HIS STANDARDS! That is what's eating you!. But you can't fight God. HE IS THE LORD! And you and I WILL face Him. You in your own righteousness, and I in Christ's, in whose sacrifice on the Cross I trust.
      That's the only difference. See where your own righteousness take you!

      May 30, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @PRISM

      Some sacrifice, die for a weekend then come back and be co-leader of the whole universe. What a HUUUUGE sacrifice. At least when Elvis died for my sins he stayed dead. You're self-righteous because you think that you have everything right, and that it couldn't be any other way. You revel in your "piousness" and in preaching to others veiled threats of your version of an afterlife and where you think those who don't think like you will go. That is your self-righteousness, and your pride in yourself and contempt for others.

      May 30, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "You in your own righteousness, and I in Christ's, in whose sacrifice on the Cross I trust.
      That's the only difference. See where your own righteousness take you!"

      Your god doesn't exists so you both will be worm food. 😉

      May 30, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Whom should I rather obey, my Lord Jesus Christ who came to convict the world of sin, righteousness and judgment, and who said to preach His Word, or the crowd who love to band together and cast insults on God's word and those who proclaim it?
      You hate God's word because it exposes what's inside of you. But you can't hide from Him !
      There are lost, trodden down and confused souls out there. It is for them that we are here. You can go to another blog that suits you better, if you like, suit yhourslelf. I'lll only go when I choose to do so!

      P.S. your insults are to me like a water poured over duck's back, do ya get a picture?!

      May 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      YR
      If you knew what I know, and you seen what I saw you'd not say stupid things like you do!

      May 30, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "If you knew what I know, and you seen what I saw you'd not say stupid things like you do!"

      Actually I seriously doubt that people are amazed at my life story but since your posts are so judgmental and bitter that proves your stupidity.

      May 30, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @PRISM

      Hmmm, so instead of actually addressing anything that I brought up, you wrap yourself in your own "piousness". Thank you for illustrating my point so nicely, I couldn't have done that any better.

      May 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Asher

      Prism the bible is a bogus book.

      Exodus never happened and the walls of Jericho did not come a-tumbling down.

      The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land of Canaan in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom.

      Jerusalem was essentially a cow town, not the glorious capital of an empire. These findings have been accepted by the majority of biblical scholars and archaeologists for years and even decades.

      The tales of the patriarchs – Abraham, Isaac and Joseph among others – were the first to go when biblical scholars found those passages rife with anachronisms and other inconsistencies. The story of Exodus, one of the most powerful epics of enslavement, courage and liberation in human history, also slipped from history to legend when archaeologists could no longer ignore the lack of corroborating contemporary Egyptian accounts and the absence of evidence of large encampments in the Sinai Peninsula ("the wilderness" where Moses brought the Israelites after leading them through the parted Red Sea).

      The famous battle of Jericho, with which the Israelites supposedly launched this campaign of conquest after wandering for decades in the desert, has been likewise debunked: The city of Jericho didn't exist at that time and had no walls to come tumbling down. These assertions are all pretty much accepted by mainstream archaeologists.

      Eventually as archaeological methods improved and biblical scholars analyzed the text itself for inconsistencies and anachronisms, the amount of the Bible regarded as historically verifiable eroded.

      May 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @JR
      Well, gathering from your other posts scattered on the blog(s), one would think you know it all and got it all figured out! Do I detect some false humility?
      LOL!
      😉

      """"""""""""
      HG
      There comes a time that to carry on a conversation with some of people who display your characteristics, becomes an insult to one's intelligence. That's the reason I don't attempt to carry on with some people!

      May 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @PRISM

      And there's the contempt. It's to bad you can't hold an honest deiscussion without reverting to the two signature fallbacks of self-righteousness and contempt for others, but then again, seeing as how you have no other defense of your position, it might not be that surprising.

      May 30, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      "Some sacrifice, die for a weekend then come back and be co-leader of the whole universe. What a HUUUUGE sacrifice. At least when Elvis died for my sins he stayed dead. You're self-righteous because you think that you have everything right, and that it couldn't be any other way. You revel in your "piousness" and in preaching to others veiled threats of your version of an afterlife and where you think those who don't think like you will go. That is your self-righteousness, and your pride in yourself and contempt for others".

      Why don't you read your own words you posted!? You Are MOCKING Christ! Do your really think I should make an attempt to discuss anything with you?
      Get grip on yourself! Your mind is made up, your heart is shut up toward God, and all one would do is exactly what Christ has said NOT TO DO: cast their pearls into a pigpan! Those are His own words!

      Gotta go, you have not offended me, but what you've done it will have long reaching consequences for you.... But I don't harbor ill feelings, and still wish you well!

      May 30, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Gotta go, you have not offended me, but what you've done it will have long reaching consequences for you.... But I don't harbor ill feelings, and still wish you well!"

      LMAO – what a bitter judgmental person you are, but you'll still be worm food.

      May 30, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Ah the good old "far reaching consequences" copout. "I don't harbor anything, but my belief system says that bad things will happen to you if you don't accept what I'm saying." Essentially a useless statement with no evidence or reason to believe it is true.

      May 30, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • sam stone

      PRISM 1234: You have no authority to speak for god.

      May 31, 2012 at 4:10 am |
  15. Repent

    The Bible specify if he or she divorces his wife or husband, he or she has to give a divorce paper and they can remarry if he or she becomes a widow. It doesn't mention if (he and he) or (she and she) marries, divorces, or have children anywhere in the bible. God wants us to multiply by giving birth from a Father and Mother. How are gays and Lesbians accomplish this?
    From a sperm bank for Lesbians? Is the kid going to call Mommy for both parents? The bible has Laws for everything but Human beings (Christians) make sin knowingly and unknowingly...but they ask for forgiveness knowing that they are sinners. Accepting gay marriage is outside God's LAW. Even one of the law says Honor your Father and Mother. Again this is upto an individual beliefs and faith. They are responsible for their act.

    May 29, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "The Bible specify"? Okay, you're a dolt.

      May 29, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • Grey

      Blah Blah Blah......When will all of you snap out of it!!!??? Going on about Christians who are poorly behaved or the poor gay behavior all over the place......NONE of this takes away from the fact – God created marriage between a man and a woman – period. Jesus echoed this in New Testament. Its a done deal

      May 30, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Grey

      The bible says a lot of things. What does that have to do with the United States Consti.tution?

      I don't care if you base your life on the bible, The Bhagavad Gita, the Qu'ran, or Grimm's fa!ry tales. Just quit trying to make your beliefs the law of the land.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
  16. Mardi

    For a more balanced, scriptural, Christ-like perspective see the following article about Evangelical Christians who support Gay rights:
    http://www.everydaycitizen.com/2012/05/evangelicals_for_gay_rights.html

    May 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • God.

      Evangelicals focus on the gays because they don't want anyone looking at their own actions too closely.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      No Christian who believes in Lord Jesus Christ of the Scriptures, of whom the Spirit of Truth testifies, will ever stand for perversion of God's ordained insti-tu-ition of Marriage. If they do, they are talking about "another Jesus", one made up in imaginations of their own minds.... But there is only ONE Jesus Christ of whom the Holy Spirit of God bears witness. Without Him there is no salvation.

      May 29, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Prissy, no one cares what you believe. If they did, you'd actually matter.

      May 29, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Prissy, no one cares what you believe. If they did, you'd actually matter. You don't. Neither does your God or your Bible. What counts is the law.

      And religion has nothing to do with that nonsense.

      May 29, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
  17. Jon

    Soooo the last two paragraphs he's basically stating that since the church now allows divorce (even though the Bible condemns it), that in order to neutralize that, we should ban gay marriage because the Bible says so. Again...two straight people who hate each other have more of a right to be together than two gay people who love each other? There's your Christian hypocrisy that you tried to defend.

    May 29, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Bet

      Exactly. Well, we got the divorce thingy wrong, but we're gonna get the gay thingy right!

      The only reason they beat up on gay marriage is because it doesn't affect them. But they want to be able to divorce and remarry whenever.

      If they didn't it might affect the collection basket.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Grey

      Hey Jon – your spin on that one is pretty twisted!! The bible condemns divorce – but makes exception if there has been adultery. The church "does not allow divorce"....but they cannot stop it – duh!!! Our behavior as Christians....good, bad or ugly – does not take away for one second that – God made marriage for a man and a woman. But there are no special doors for the gay community – it is wrong. Can't we just accept that we will never agree?? There will never be a story , or situation where I will ever agree.....God has spoken

      May 30, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Grey

      The only thing twisted is a religion that lets one group break the rules and looks the other way, but oppresses another group that doesn't affect them in the least.

      The church absolutely allows divorce and remarriage. I did it. Thousands of christians get divorced and remarried. The church condemns it technically, but won't do anything about it because people would stop attending services. No attendance, no money in the collection basket. It's that simple.

      By the way, Jesus said that remarriage IS adultery.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
  18. Dr Neanderthal

    blah blah jesus jesus jesus bible bible

    no.

    May 29, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Three

      Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes.....Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!!!!!!! The Son of God who came and laid down his life – that we all could live!!!!! There is power in the name of Jesus!!! I have witnessed miracles with my own eyes!!! He loves every soul on this planet!!! Jesus you are the way, the truth and the life and all that find You will have life everlasting!!!! YES!!

      May 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Bet

      @ Three

      Go sleep it off. You're drunk posting again.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
  19. Beau Quilter

    It's frighteningly indicative of his dehumanizing use of scripture, that Mohler sees Acts 10:15 as a vision that allows Christians to "enjoy shrimp and pork with no injury to conscience".

    The apostle Peter makes it absolutely clear that his vision is about people:
    "You yourselves know that it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with or to visit a Gentile; but God has shown me that I should not call anyone profane or unclean."

    May 29, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
  20. Mary S

    " it is the most pressing moral question of our times"

    No. It isn't.

    May 29, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Bet

      It's pretty pressing when you're the one being denied civil rights.

      But I agree with you in the sense that, if christians are so interested in the moral fabric of society, they should be addressing divorce among their congregations with the same vehemence that they use for gays. From the pulpit, not just a token "Oh yeah, we don't like divorce either." Start by hammering on divorce every Sunday. Stop marrying divorced people in the church.

      Instead, they focus on issues that don't affect them. It's so much easier that way.

      May 29, 2012 at 11:15 am |
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